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2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

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Postby Betchplz » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:31 pm

OT She purposely make Lily's hair look like a mullet just to cover her ears, neck and forehead.
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby Mom2two » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:31 pm

deannaroseo wrote:$60 moccasins that Mr. Man will grow out of in a month, yet Lily gets shoes that are 2 sizes too big and baggy clothes that she'll "grow into".
Does she really not like her daughter or is she just that cheap?! I don't get it.


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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby webby » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:39 pm

she shocked the shit out of all of us
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby RubyRed » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:42 pm

I can't get over how awful Lily's hair looks in the most recent photoa from the pumpkin patch. That person who compared it to Michelle Duggar a few pages back? That was literally what I thought of when I saw it. Why not get a trim! Put it up! Braid it! It looks so unkempt and messy and frizzy and knotted... You can brush curly hair when it's wet right?? my goodness.
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby VagrantRhapsody » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:50 pm

Just finished watching the kindergarten update. She makes it sound as though everything is under control but issues with attention can be indicative of other problems. I think Lily's delays will become more pronounced as she progresses in grade levels, as poor attention span can lead to poor retention of information, difficulties staying on task, and completing more complex tasks. At least she is getting therapy.
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby marshmellow » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:03 pm

I'm purely curious. Wondering if Lily is eligible to attend special needs school ? That way she can get the right guidance. With TS learning disabilities are a possibility. Otherwise Lily is a very nice child. Given how she is side lined by Vanessa she is relatively a sweet well behaved kid. Aria on the other hand :(
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby marshmellow » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:49 pm

Wanted to add. She looked really good in the recent video. No much head tilt or eye blink either. I also liked how she spoke openly. Feeling weird praising her but I gotta give credit where it's due lol.
BUT I'm really concerned for Lily when she said she is freaked out by noise. Sound sensitivity can be a symptom of so many different things. But V is getting her all the help so which is great. I would rather prefer that way than some Moms who convince themselves their kids are born super stars and hesitate to get them help when needed.
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby Highlighter » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:17 pm

marshmellow wrote:Wanted to add. She looked really good in the recent video. No much head tilt or eye blink either. I also liked how she spoke openly. Feeling weird praising her but I gotta give credit where it's due lol.
BUT I'm really concerned for Lily when she said she is freaked out by noise. Sound sensitivity can be a symptom of so many different things. But V is getting her all the help so which is great. I would rather prefer that way than some Moms who convince themselves their kids are born super stars and hesitate to get them help when needed.
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby flightlessbird » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:15 pm

deannaroseo wrote:$60 moccasins that Mr. Man will grow out of in a month, yet Lily gets shoes that are 2 sizes too big and baggy clothes that she'll "grow into".
Does she really not like her daughter or is she just that cheap?! I don't get it.


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She really doesn't like her. You can tell by the way she treats her and talks to her/about her on camera. I wonder how she talks when the camera isn't on? I feel so bad for Lily.

It's sad, but Vanessa was already prepared for Lily to die soon after she was born and it's like she hates that she's doing fine now. That's really going to fuck with Lily once she gets older and figures it all out. I wouldn't want to watch old vlogs where my mom spoke about me like that...
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby D33f » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:09 am

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deannaroseo wrote:$60 moccasins that Mr. Man will grow out of in a month, yet Lily gets shoes that are 2 sizes too big and baggy clothes that she'll "grow into".
Does she really not like her daughter or is she just that cheap?! I don't get it.


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She really doesn't like her. You can tell by the way she treats her and talks to her/about her on camera. I wonder how she talks when the camera isn't on? I feel so bad for Lily.

It's sad, but Vanessa was already prepared for Lily to die soon after she was born and it's like she hates that she's doing fine now. That's really going to fuck with Lily once she gets older and figures it all out. I wouldn't want to watch old vlogs where my mom spoke about me like that...


She hates that she's doing fine ?? I would say that's pushing it don't you think? She may not be the most attached parent in the world but I doubt she would rather her daughter suffer than do fine ...


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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby lizpuff2006 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:41 am

marshmellow wrote:I'm purely curious. Wondering if Lily is eligible to attend special needs school ? That way she can get the right guidance. With TS learning disabilities are a possibility. Otherwise Lily is a very nice child. Given how she is side lined by Vanessa she is relatively a sweet well behaved kid. Aria on the other hand :(


I think she is. IIRC V talked about enrolling her in one but everyone talked her out of it saying a regular school would be better for her socially and academically. But I hope if Lily cannot keep up V doesn't let her pride stop her from putting her in a special needs program. It isn't a flag of defeat. Some kids just need more help
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby MommaOfThree » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:56 pm

The words of the day in the Halloween tag are:

Cos-shume (costume)
Whore (horror)


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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby lizpuff2006 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:11 pm

One of the questions asked what they would do if they were home alone and heard footsteps in the house. David said grab a gun. I was just thinking...why grab a gun when you have a deadly weapon on your own arm! (the stupid tattoo)
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby urusha90 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:18 pm

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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby Snow White » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:12 pm

Lily’s update was 5 minutes. It will be another 6 months before we hear anything about her again. Hopefully in that time Vanessa stops driving with lily completely unbuckled.
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Postby Ilovecats » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:50 pm

urusha90 wrote:Did she mean to pick this picture? Orrrrr?? Image


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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby MommaOfThree » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:44 pm

Snow White wrote:Lily’s update was 5 minutes. It will be another 6 months before we hear anything about her again. Hopefully in that time Vanessa stops driving with lily completely unbuckled.



The update was on about Lily’s struggles at school. Not once did she brag or show excitement about her daughter. Not only are Charlie’s MONTHLY updates longer, but she’s always overly excited and proud of his milestones. She NEVER talks about Charlie’s struggles. He ALWAYS meets his monthly milestones, and he is such a great baby. Charlie is so perfect. I feel so bad for Lily. Her idiotic mother (aka egg donor) never shows her that she’s proud of her. It’s apparent they Lily is avoided bc Vanessa is embarrassed...I mean why else would you treat your children so differently? Or avoid posting pic and videos of one child?


This is going back a few videos, but It made me sad that she told Lily she couldn’t have a snack after school/before going to Nona’s to eat. She told her it would be 30 min before she’d would be eating and they don’t do snacks before dinner. They still had to wait for Nona to get there, visit for a few min and drive home to eat. Pretty sure that would take longer than 30 min. Why couldn’t she give her an rx bar? Fruit? A small snack? Heck maybe Charlie isn’t the only underfed chid in that home.


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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby staceybrax » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:42 pm

MommaOfThree wrote:
Snow White wrote:Lily’s update was 5 minutes. It will be another 6 months before we hear anything about her again. Hopefully in that time Vanessa stops driving with lily completely unbuckled.



The update was on about Lily’s struggles at school. Not once did she brag or show excitement about her daughter. Not only are Charlie’s MONTHLY updates longer, but she’s always overly excited and proud of his milestones. She NEVER talks about Charlie’s struggles. He ALWAYS meets his monthly milestones, and he is such a great baby. Charlie is so perfect. I feel so bad for Lily. Her idiotic mother (aka egg donor) never shows her that she’s proud of her. It’s apparent they Lily is avoided bc Vanessa is embarrassed...I mean why else would you treat your children so differently? Or avoid posting pic and videos of one child?


This is going back a few videos, but It made me sad that she told Lily she couldn’t have a snack after school/before going to Nona’s to eat. She told her it would be 30 min before she’d would be eating and they don’t do snacks before dinner. They still had to wait for Nona to get there, visit for a few min and drive home to eat. Pretty sure that would take longer than 30 min. Why couldn’t she give her an rx bar? Fruit? A small snack? Heck maybe Charlie isn’t the only underfed chid in that home.


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Exactly and there’s so many exciting milestones when your kids start school. Watching my son learn to read or think of a word and sound it out and write it down all on his own, learning how to add and subtract etc is so fun and exciting to me. Watching him make friends, seeing how his artwork changes, watching him participate in school activities... I don’t know how she couldn’t come up with one positive thing to say about lily starting school, it was all struggles and negatives.


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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby flightlessbird » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:56 am

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deannaroseo wrote:$60 moccasins that Mr. Man will grow out of in a month, yet Lily gets shoes that are 2 sizes too big and baggy clothes that she'll "grow into".
Does she really not like her daughter or is she just that cheap?! I don't get it.


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She really doesn't like her. You can tell by the way she treats her and talks to her/about her on camera. I wonder how she talks when the camera isn't on? I feel so bad for Lily.

It's sad, but Vanessa was already prepared for Lily to die soon after she was born and it's like she hates that she's doing fine now. That's really going to fuck with Lily once she gets older and figures it all out. I wouldn't want to watch old vlogs where my mom spoke about me like that...


She hates that she's doing fine ?? I would say that's pushing it don't you think? She may not be the most attached parent in the world but I doubt she would rather her daughter suffer than do fine ...


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What I meant is she acts like Lily is a burden to her
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby Lolitalene » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:05 am

flightlessbird wrote:
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flightlessbird wrote:[quote="deannaroseo"]$60 moccasins that Mr. Man will grow out of in a month, yet Lily gets shoes that are 2 sizes too big and baggy clothes that she'll "grow into".
Does she really not like her daughter or is she just that cheap?! I don't get it.


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She really doesn't like her. You can tell by the way she treats her and talks to her/about her on camera. I wonder how she talks when the camera isn't on? I feel so bad for Lily.

It's sad, but Vanessa was already prepared for Lily to die soon after she was born and it's like she hates that she's doing fine now. That's really going to fuck with Lily once she gets older and figures it all out. I wouldn't want to watch old vlogs where my mom spoke about me like that...


She hates that she's doing fine ?? I would say that's pushing it don't you think? She may not be the most attached parent in the world but I doubt she would rather her daughter suffer than do fine ...


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What I meant is she acts like Lily is a burden to her[/quote]I think the problem is she never bonded with Lilly, she thought she would die so she detached herself emotionally from her and has never been made to do so, or made to get help to do so.
I personally also think she has some sort of issues, maybe something happened to her as a child. I remember in old blogs she talked about dieting in such unhealthy ways, which always made me think she hs had some sort if trauma and felt the need to control.
Which I also think is why she such a lack of emotional reaction to things and comes across very robot.


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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby Highlighter » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:16 am

lizpuff2006 wrote:
marshmellow wrote:I'm purely curious. Wondering if Lily is eligible to attend special needs school ? That way she can get the right guidance. With TS learning disabilities are a possibility. Otherwise Lily is a very nice child. Given how she is side lined by Vanessa she is relatively a sweet well behaved kid. Aria on the other hand :(


I think she is. IIRC V talked about enrolling her in one but everyone talked her out of it saying a regular school would be better for her socially and academically. But I hope if Lily cannot keep up V doesn't let her pride stop her from putting her in a special needs program. It isn't a flag of defeat. Some kids just need more help
Ok I'm not a parent and know barely anything about childhood development. However, I don't get this. The social benefits of going to a normal school; could the same thing not be gained by putting Lily in ECs, sports, those kids of clubs/activities? The supposed academic benefits as well; if she has learning difficulties then how is the 'one-size-fits-all' aspect of a mainstream school education going to benefit her? Lily is a survivor and a very sweet kid, but she isn't a 'typical' little girl. I don't see what benefit Lily is actually getting out of Vanessa's decision but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby lizpuff2006 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:40 am

Highlighter wrote:
lizpuff2006 wrote:
marshmellow wrote:I'm purely curious. Wondering if Lily is eligible to attend special needs school ? That way she can get the right guidance. With TS learning disabilities are a possibility. Otherwise Lily is a very nice child. Given how she is side lined by Vanessa she is relatively a sweet well behaved kid. Aria on the other hand :(


I think she is. IIRC V talked about enrolling her in one but everyone talked her out of it saying a regular school would be better for her socially and academically. But I hope if Lily cannot keep up V doesn't let her pride stop her from putting her in a special needs program. It isn't a flag of defeat. Some kids just need more help
Ok I'm not a parent and know barely anything about childhood development. However, I don't get this. The social benefits of going to a normal school; could the same thing not be gained by putting Lily in ECs, sports, those kids of clubs/activities? The supposed academic benefits as well; if she has learning difficulties then how is the 'one-size-fits-all' aspect of a mainstream school education going to benefit her? Lily is a survivor and a very sweet kid, but she isn't a 'typical' little girl. I don't see what benefit Lily is actually getting out of Vanessa's decision but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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IMO it would be on a child to child basis. If Lily can keep up and do the work other kids are doing great! But from her update it sounds like she is struggling a bit. It seems like the fact that there are quite a few kids in the class and only 1 teacher is distracting to Lily. In a special needs school she could get more one on one attention. I think getting that attention would help her to thrive and she would learn much more than in reg school.

I don't mean this offensively but there used to be a huge stigma about special needs schools....like they bring the kids there and let them sit all day in front of Barney drooling on themselves. This is so far from the truth. I feel like V is embarrassed Lily may need help. That is so sad.
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby olemama » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:43 am

lizpuff2006 wrote:
marshmellow wrote:I'm purely curious. Wondering if Lily is eligible to attend special needs school ? That way she can get the right guidance. With TS learning disabilities are a possibility. Otherwise Lily is a very nice child. Given how she is side lined by Vanessa she is relatively a sweet well behaved kid. Aria on the other hand :(


I think she is. IIRC V talked about enrolling her in one but everyone talked her out of it saying a regular school would be better for her socially and academically. But I hope if Lily cannot keep up V doesn't let her pride stop her from putting her in a special needs program. It isn't a flag of defeat. Some kids just need more help


Unless Vanessa and David have a big pot of cash somewhere, they cannot afford a private special needs school; therefore they must rely on their local public school district for special needs education. Most public school systems have special needs classrooms at a regular school; they do not have a school exclusively dedicated to special needs. The school district must offer Lily an appropriate education in the least restrictive environment. Where Lily gets placed is not completely up to Vanessa. It is up to the school district and Vanessa. Evidently the mutual decision is ,now, that Lily can receive an appropriate education in a regular kindergarten with pull-outs for therapy. From what little I've seen of Lily in Vanessa's recent videos, she should do fine in a regular classroom with some assistance. The kids in my children's school who were in a special needs classroom all day were severely disabled. Many could not speak, were not toilet-trained, had severe mobility issues. Lily is not like that.
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Re: 2011InvisibleMilestones (Part 40)

Postby nutbagmcgee » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:00 am

I hope Vanessa knows her rights and starts the process of a IEP soon, or at least requests testing.
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