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E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby blahblahblahhh » Fri May 19, 2017 6:55 pm

CallieT wrote:
HelloSweetie wrote:Re: the body changes.

They weren't pregnancy related, they couldn't be.

She didn't get a positive until Mother's Day right? She had a negative test one week prior. So she was at most 7 days post implantation. The body changes she kept talking about could in no way be caused by a pregnancy that hadn't even happened yet.

*Edited to correct the math.


Just because she had a negative pregnancy test, doesn't mean she was only 7 days post implantation, in my opinion. Isn't it true that some women don't have high enough HCG levels to register that early? And didn't she have low levels with Calvin, too? Especially since it wasn't a viable pregnancy, I assumed she was pregnant for longer just with low levels, indicating it wasn't going to be a successful pregnancy. But its been like 7 years since I've been pregnant so what do I know lol

Also, if it was just all the snacking, would all her weight just go to her stomach like that? That seems unusual to me. I think it was a combination of eating more and early pregnancy bloating, not just one or the other would cause her to gain so much so fast.

As for the other HCG issue, I still just think that they could tell a difference between HCG levels right before your period vs HCG levels going into a chemical miscarriage. I know everybody always has some HCG, but would it really be so close together that you couldn't tell the difference? I think not, especially because (in my opinion, again going back to my 'the pregnancy test really did show up as positive just not on the camera otherwise she wouldn't show it to us' point) it was high enough to give her a positive pregnancy test, which a non pregnant woman probably wouldn't get even right before her period.


No, this isn't what happened with Calvin. It's really irritating that they tried to say that, because it's not true at all. She got several very dark and obvious positive tests with Calvin, then started spotting a few days later, but her blood tests were showing her HCG levels rising, and everything ended up being fine. Also, didn't it turn out that she found out (as in her dark positive tests) at barely 4 weeks pregnant? They didn't know that at the time because she hadn't had a "cycle" in a while, so she thought she was farther along. The whole drama that upset them stemmed from a crappy doctor who I believe told her she was "likely miscarrying", when he shouldn't have said that when her numbers were rising despite her spotting. Anyone feel free to correct me on this stuff, it's all from memory as I don't feel like rewatching these vlogs.

As far as the weight in her belly, Ellie is a slim person who has had 2 kids... not a fit person who works out a lot. The vast majority of women who have had children (especially more than 1, and also close together) can stick out their belly, despite the fact that they look slim. I am pretty slim and normally look like I have a very flat stomach, but after 3 kids I can push it out on command to look 3-4 months pregnant. Those muscles in that area just aren't what they used to be. The struggle. Also, despite her trying to push out her gut, to me she looks like she has filled out a little bit everywhere.


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby blahblahblahhh » Fri May 19, 2017 6:59 pm

CallieT wrote:Ellie doesn't usually get those changes, though.

Has she ever officially been diagnosed with PCOS? I've been a little confused about that.


How do we know? She has never mentioned it because they weren't obsessing over being pregnant. Doesn't mean that it hasn't happened to her before. She has shown the camera "food babies" several times before. Making it seem like she's the type that easily gets bloated and doesn't exactly have strong stomach muscles (as most who have had children).


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby HelloSweetie » Fri May 19, 2017 7:00 pm

CallieT wrote:
HelloSweetie wrote:Re: the body changes.

They weren't pregnancy related, they couldn't be.

She didn't get a positive until Mother's Day right? She had a negative test one week prior. So she was at most 7 days post implantation. The body changes she kept talking about could in no way be caused by a pregnancy that hadn't even happened yet.

*Edited to correct the math.


Just because she had a negative pregnancy test, doesn't mean she was only 7 days post implantation, in my opinion. Isn't it true that some women don't have high enough HCG levels to register that early? And didn't she have low levels with Calvin, too? Especially since it wasn't a viable pregnancy, I assumed she was pregnant for longer just with low levels, indicating it wasn't going to be a successful pregnancy. But its been like 7 years since I've been pregnant so what do I know lol

Also, if it was just all the snacking, would all her weight just go to her stomach like that? That seems unusual to me. I think it was a combination of eating more and early pregnancy bloating, not just one or the other would cause her to gain so much so fast.

As for the other HCG issue, I still just think that they could tell a difference between HCG levels right before your period vs HCG levels going into a chemical miscarriage. I know everybody always has some HCG, but would it really be so close together that you couldn't tell the difference? I think not, especially because (in my opinion, again going back to my 'the pregnancy test really did show up as positive just not on the camera otherwise she wouldn't show it to us' point) it was high enough to give her a positive pregnancy test, which a non pregnant woman probably wouldn't get even right before her period.


Negative test= hCG not high enough to create symptoms. Believe me, I have a long history of IF and losses. I have had more hCG tests than anyone should ever have to take. I've tested it up and tested it down. What they are telling us just doesn't make sense. They can't have had weeks of symptoms, without weeks of positive tests. She didn't have low levels with Calvin. She didn't know how far along she was, but figured she'd put on weight already, and therefore guessed she was at least 6 or more weeks. The doctor tested her and she was more like 5 based on her hCG. This, combined with spotting didn't look good. Knowing you dates is really important, otherwise doctors just don't have a lot of go on without a few hCG tests ran.

We saw one positive pregnancy test, and it was a squinter. Her hCG that day is likely to have JUST turned the test if she was in fact pregnant. If the tests after were all presenting as negative (and we think they were given that we never saw another one), then her hCG would have been falling, and by the doctor's office wouldn't have been high enough to confirm in office. This would explain Ellie's need to ask "but it's there though." Under 25 would be considered "inconclusive" and they would re-test and absolutely wouldn't confirm a miscarriage nor a viable pregnancy without the presence of additional factors.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby CallieT » Fri May 19, 2017 7:13 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
Negative test= hCG not high enough to create symptoms. Believe me, I have a long history of IF and losses. I have had more hCG tests than anyone should ever have to take. I've tested it up and tested it down. What they are telling us just doesn't make sense. They can't have had weeks of symptoms, without weeks of positive tests. She didn't have low levels with Calvin. She didn't know how far along she was, but figured she'd put on weight already, and therefore guessed she was at least 6 or more weeks. The doctor tested her and she was more like 5 based on her hCG. This, combined with spotting didn't look good. Knowing you dates is really important, otherwise doctors just don't have a lot of go on without a few hCG tests ran.

We saw one positive pregnancy test, and it was a squinter. Her hCG that day is likely to have JUST turned the test if she was in fact pregnant. If the tests after were all presenting as negative (and we think they were given that we never saw another one), then her hCG would have been falling, and by the doctor's office wouldn't have been high enough to confirm in office. This would explain Ellie's need to ask "but it's there though." Under 25 would be considered "inconclusive" and they would re-test and absolutely wouldn't confirm a miscarriage nor a viable pregnancy without the presence of additional factors.


I'm sorry to hear about your struggle and losses. That makes sense about the hCG levels. I'm not quite sure what to think about it anymore, I feel like it could go either way. I think Ellie for sure thinks she was pregnant and it's still definetly possible but I can also see the other side, maybe she is just really clueless about her body!
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby BadWolf » Fri May 19, 2017 7:20 pm

Add me to the camp of "nothing makes sense!"

One thing was definitely for certain, and thats that Ellie and Jared are divided about something. They are usually immensely co-dependent, and Jared goes to absolutely all of her appointments with her. Suddenly she's going through a potential loss and he's staying up late working all hours and choosing to stay at home and watch Calvin instead of go to her appointment with her? Nope. Sorry. Doesn't make sense. This sounds like when they disagreed about Cal's neck treatment but each went about their own treatment of it separately. My guess is they only had the one positive and and Jared realized it was false, but Ellie didn't want to hear it.

We can listen to what that nurse says over and over again, but what she never does say is ELLIE IS PREGNANT. No further test, no Ellie talking about other tests with lines getting darker. Nothing. It's like E&J underwent a complete personality change and became different people.

And while I agree that it's possible Ellie just wanted to be alone, I find this incredibly unlikely. Plus it's not like they have a small house. For Jared to leave and have to bring even the dog with him is strange. Plus why would the Mechams go over if they think Ellie is miscarrying at that very moment? Isn't this incredibly intimate and personal? They don't seem like insensitive people. I think Ellie's period came while Jared was working with that friend, and they needed to find a way to spin things to save face.

Its nice that there are people here unable to believe that E&J could have exaggerated things, but I just can't give them that benefit of the doubt when everything I know about TTC tells me there are too many holes in their story. I don't think those holes are the result of inefficient editing either.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby gymchick43 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:26 pm

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Bethypooh51 wrote:Just an observation ...what are the chances that they had a sponsorship with ClearBlue pregnancy tests? Look at how Ellie is holding the test so you can see what kind of test they are using. [img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170520/714bf3506924a3c1a3180b0d6f789a12.png[/img]


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby gymchick43 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:26 pm

I should have zoomed out to add the elf ears ^


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby gymchick43 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:30 pm

juotaahn wrote:
Caisflame wrote:So here's my thoughts.
I really think Ellie was not pregnant, but convinced herself that she was. I think Jared knew she was not pregnant the whole time, which is why we haven't seen the emotions and crying that we normally see. He's pretending for her, and for the vlogs. I truly believe he knew this whole time that Ellie had convinced herself she was pregnant, but he knew she wasn't, and he continues to go along with it for her sake. That's her period, not a miscarriage.
But hell, what do I know. I'm just watching from the sidelines. Either way, something is sketchy.


This is exactly right. I know the family and have been burned by them many times. I have been watching this forum for months and can't keep quiet any longer.


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby lmmomSD » Fri May 19, 2017 7:36 pm

I just want to say, all you ladies who have had losses, and experience with chemical pregnancies, and struggling to get pregnant, thank you for sharing your stories and your hard won knowledge. I hope you all end up with happy, healthy babies! I had a few cycles of Clomid, but I would never say I struggled. So my heart goes out to all of you! Big creepy internet hugs!

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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby lily_moon » Fri May 19, 2017 7:42 pm

gymchick43 wrote:
juotaahn wrote:
Caisflame wrote:So here's my thoughts.
I really think Ellie was not pregnant, but convinced herself that she was. I think Jared knew she was not pregnant the whole time, which is why we haven't seen the emotions and crying that we normally see. He's pretending for her, and for the vlogs. I truly believe he knew this whole time that Ellie had convinced herself she was pregnant, but he knew she wasn't, and he continues to go along with it for her sake. That's her period, not a miscarriage.
But hell, what do I know. I'm just watching from the sidelines. Either way, something is sketchy.


This is exactly right. I know the family and have been burned by them many times. I have been watching this forum for months and can't keep quiet any longer.


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Ceirsten8676 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:57 pm

blahblahblahhh wrote:
Bethypooh51 wrote:Just an observation ...what are the chances that they had a sponsorship with ClearBlue pregnancy tests? Look at how Ellie is holding the test so you can see what kind of test they are using. [img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170520/714bf3506924a3c1a3180b0d6f789a12.png[/img]


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Sarai » Fri May 19, 2017 8:02 pm

juotaahn wrote:This is exactly right. I know the family and have been burned by them many times. I have been watching this forum for months and can't keep quiet any longer.


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby ewokfan11 » Fri May 19, 2017 8:06 pm

Don't hate me for this thread title idea. I'm not trying to be mean. I really do think Ellie has some unaddressed mental issues. It seems like a lot of Mormons do - that "choose happiness" BS doesn't make much sense to me.

E+J - Chemical pregnancy or chemical imbalance?
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby lmmomSD » Fri May 19, 2017 8:07 pm

Ceirsten8676 wrote:
blahblahblahhh wrote:
Bethypooh51 wrote:Just an observation ...what are the chances that they had a sponsorship with ClearBlue pregnancy tests? Look at how Ellie is holding the test so you can see what kind of test they are using. [img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170520/714bf3506924a3c1a3180b0d6f789a12.png[/img]


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby whys0seri0us » Fri May 19, 2017 8:21 pm

So Katie and Cullen both mention Ellie being pregnant. Bryan congratulates them on twitter. However, it's been silence from all of them since. I think the way we will know if this was a real pregnancy and miscarriage is how their friends react. Missy has had a miscarriage and a still birth and I know people think she's the devil but I honestly don't believe Missy would be friends with someone she thought faked a miscarriage. Same goes with Katie.

This will definitely get interesting.


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E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby HelloSweetie » Fri May 19, 2017 8:25 pm

whys0seri0us wrote:So Katie and Cullen both mention Ellie being pregnant. Bryan congratulates them on twitter. However, it's been silence from all of them since. I think the way we will know if this was a real pregnancy and miscarriage is how their friends react. Missy has had a miscarriage and a still birth and I know people think she's the devil but I honestly don't believe Missy would be friends with someone she thought faked a miscarriage. Same goes with Katie.

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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby bunny88 » Fri May 19, 2017 8:55 pm

Did y'all see that Jared tweeted something about lasik, yesterday??? The day his wife is supposedly miscarrying. It is just sooo weird! Complete silence about all the supportive tweets, but he responds to a tweet about LASIK???
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Acbsktbll » Fri May 19, 2017 9:08 pm

They're only building up their audience for when they actually get pregnant. Imagine all the "pregnant after miscarriage" "our miracle baby" "rainbow baby" vlogs...

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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby YouTubeIdiots101 » Fri May 19, 2017 9:10 pm

This was all fake. No one can convince me any other way. She was never pregnant.
If Ellie was miscarrying, there's no way in hell Jared would OR should have left her home all day alone. Why the fuck would he say they both "enjoyed" the time away? He would have been there by her side. Grandparents take the kids. Something. They do it so easily every other time they want to. He would have for SURE cried over a miscarriage. He cries over everything! But he's not going to cry or get emotional when they lost their baby? We all foreshadowed this. We knew it was coming. They sucked at this "plan" because it truly was an obvious shit show of lies. All to be welcomed to the "loss community". Shame on them for doing this and thinking lightly of people who actually lost their pregnancy/children. For them, they just want to put on a show. $$$
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby olivialinnea101 » Fri May 19, 2017 9:48 pm

I don't know, I think a medical professional could easily tell the different in HCG levels between pregnant or not pregnant. Also, on the phone (so we know they're not lying) we hear her say "your levels are lower then we expect for how far along you are". I really think that since she said "how far along you are" the nurse is saying that the numbers indicate that Ellie is pregnant, but dropping since she's having a miscarriage. If they were at a non-pregnancy low I really think she'd say at the very least 'they indicate it's possible you're not pregnant or it's very early'.

I see what you mean about Ellie thinking she was pregnant, I agree that's a possibility. I do think that the fact that she showed us the pregnancy test really does indicate that she's not TRYING to deceive us. But when you consider the phone call and the ovulation test and the body changes I think it would be a huge coincidence for it to be a fake positive, I mean that's really uncommon and coupled with all the other factors I think it's really unlikely. I agree it's possible the ovulation test could be wrong but I don't really see any reason to think that, they're usually accurate. Or even if it was wrong I think it's more likely that she got pregnant at a later date when she really did ovulate rather then her not being pregnant at all.

As for the weight gain, that's something I still think strongly points towards pregnancy...she wasn't eating THAT much more to make her body change so much so fast, I think all those snacks are normal for her. Ellie is normally so skeletal I really think something else was going on.

But, we'll never know for sure! We can agree to disagree :)[/quote]


Agreed that a medical professional can surely tell... however I may be the only one here who thinks maybe that was the nurses attempt at trying to let her down gently. She could just have meant that based on the date Ellie gave her they would expect HCG levels to be much higher and therefore she's not pregnant.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby bunny88 » Fri May 19, 2017 9:57 pm

And there was that big cut right before the nurse said that and their faces look so disappointed. Why would they cut that scene? Like there was a cut between Ellie's question and the nurse's answer. That was VERY suspicious to me.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby ewokfan11 » Fri May 19, 2017 10:06 pm

They definitely edited that phone conversation for a reason. For all we know, the nurse told her "you're not pregnant," but Ellie wasn't ready to face the truth and Jared edited it out. The doctor's office probably could only go by Ellie's own estimates of ovulation/conception and that might be why the nurse said her levels "should" have been higher "this far along." How would the doctor's office even know how long she really was/wasn't? Ellie wasn't getting ultrasounds...she was on vacation at Disney and then in Orlando.

Ellie was hoping she was pregnant, but she wasn't.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Lurker4Life » Fri May 19, 2017 10:10 pm

I personally believe that they are (obviously) hiding things from the audience and showing what they want, but I don't believe that they set it all up for a miscarriage/loss. I believe either Ellie was pregnant or convinced herself she was pregnant, and if she just found out she wasn't/is miscarrying I believe her reaction would be genuine. In my mind if they wanted to stage a miscarriage for views the title would have been more click-baity (DEVASTATING HEARTBREAKING DOCTORS NEWS) or something to get the external channel views.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Mamafirst » Fri May 19, 2017 10:20 pm

I don't really know what to make of all this either.
I think where E and J really messed up is they rushed into announcing just cuz it was Mother's Day. That in itself tells me that a lot of what is going on is to bring in views for their channel. They just couldn't miss the opportunity to announce on Mothers Day and that really speaks volumes to me. I feel like if it were nowhere near Mothers Day or any other holiday, they wouldn't have made an announcement. At least not so soon and not just based on the shady tests they took. I bet they would've waited to confirm it with the doctor before saying anything and whatever they did say about it probably would have been vague to keep people watching.
I doubt that Ellie was pregnant but we'll never truly know. I just have to say that if she's terribly embarrassed about how they presented this whole thing, I don't feel bad in the slightest. They messed up bad by jumping the gun, maybe next time they'll slow the fuck down and realize that just cuz they're YouTube "celebs", it doesn't mean they'll get what they want every time and that things will play out exactly like they want them to.


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby hannahbanana » Fri May 19, 2017 10:21 pm

I feel like Ellie and Jared just pulled a Sam & Nia on everyone....
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