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E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby tratra58 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:57 pm

nutbagmcgee wrote:Ellie hung out with "friends" today, I bet she was like a fish out of water. I also bet she was beyond twitchy because that was a messy house!!

They were really Jared's friends or former coworkers.
Vincere wrote:Ellie: Uncle Mike with strong muscles!
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Even Jared was: Heei...
Does that confirm what one poster said that Ellie is envious on other women with handsome husbands?



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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby angelfire89 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:40 pm

HashtagBlessed wrote:I just read a comment on the "SHE TOOK IT TOO FAR!" vlog that said, "Ellie has a body most women would die for." Who are these people?? That is so far from the body most women want. She looks ill. Why is that something to be envious of? I'm not saying this to be mean, but she looks pre-pubescent. I can only assume the people making positive comments about Ellie's size also suffer from some sort of body dysmorphia. Ruby and Julie both look naturally thin and age appropriate. Ellie looks like she's aged 15 years and is skin and bones now.
Maybe they meant it literally. That many women who are that skinny/undernourished are risking their lives.

Sounds morbid but is it really that far from truth?
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Sarai » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:53 pm

Vincere wrote:Does that confirm what one poster said that Ellie is envious on other women with handsome husbands?


She probably is since Jared let himself go. He looks old and has a "dad bod".
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby HelloSweetie » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:57 pm

Sarai wrote:
Vincere wrote:Does that confirm what one poster said that Ellie is envious on other women with handsome husbands?


She probably is since Jared let himself go. He looks old and has a "dad bod".


It's a shame because when he was still going to the gym he was starting to look good.

Calvin of course changed that.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby tratra58 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:47 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
Sarai wrote:
Vincere wrote:Does that confirm what one poster said that Ellie is envious on other women with handsome husbands?


She probably is since Jared let himself go. He looks old and has a "dad bod".


It's a shame because when he was still going to the gym he was starting to look good.

Calvin of course changed that.

All that Dr Pepper is sugar, but meal time is sparse. Where is he eating? I might consider not going gray as fast as he is too.

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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby tratra58 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:26 pm

JoCo 89 wrote:Does anyone else think that the typical Mormon approach to parenting tends towards spiritual and emotional abuse?


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JoCo 89 wrote:Does anyone else think that the typical Mormon approach to parenting tends towards spiritual and emotional abuse?

"Emotional abuse— consistent shaming, criticism, or neglect of wants, needs, desires, feelings, and emotions by a dominant partner, parent, spouse, or figure(s) of authority."

"According to David Henke who founded the Watchman Fellowship, spiritual abuse has five distinct characteristics: authoritarianism, image consciousness, suppression of criticism, perfectionistic standards, and imbalance in belief or practice. In the context of family, these features are particularly noxious"



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They seem to be old school or authoritian parenting in some sense. It is do as I say and no argument.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby thenightowl » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:51 pm

Could Ellie even carry a child? She just seems way way too thin to even become pregnant, aren't your cycles off when you are too thin?
And NO Ellie, you aren't "goals" you literally have the body of a 10 year old, it's not cute, it's scary honestly.
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E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby kittypurry » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:16 pm

Great advice Grandma Griff. As if people who aren't happy are that way because they just don't want to be. It's pretty obvious where Ellie got her "smile even when you're upset" attitude from

http://i.imgur.com/YlYLr6g.jpg


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby kittypurry » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:19 pm

Looks like couple #5 are going to start vlogging

https://youtu.be/7sofik0DPsQ


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby lmmomSD » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:30 pm

kittypurry wrote:Great advice Grandma Griff. As if people who aren't happy are that way because they just don't want to be. It's pretty obvious where Ellie got her "smile even when you're upset" attitude from

http://i.imgur.com/YlYLr6g.jpg


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I hate that. "Happiness is a choice". Shay spouts that crap too. Yes, you can control your reaction to bad things happening, but if you have real depression or anxiety, you have a chemical imbalance in your brain that makes it impossible to be happy. So that pull yourself up by your bootstraps, happiness is a choice BS is just that: BS. And it makes me so angry that they say that to people who are depressed, and that Ellie never addresses the fact that she's not #skinnygoals. She's not healthy, and for young girls to emulate her is just not ok.

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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby LydiaE » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:41 pm

thenightowl wrote:Could Ellie even carry a child? She just seems way way too thin to even become pregnant, aren't your cycles off when you are too thin?
And NO Ellie, you aren't "goals" you literally have the body of a 10 year old, it's not cute, it's scary honestly.


I weighed 95 lbs when I became pregnant with my first child. My cycles were normal and all of my blood work proved that I was healthy. The pregnancy was healthy. The baby was a healthy 8 lbs. I gained weight in normal places, nursed my daughter, and then lost the weight on a normal diet. I weighed 100 lbs when I became pregnant with my son. Normal periods. Good blood work. Healthy pregnancy. 10 lb baby. Nursed and then lost weight normally.

I get that Ellie is annoying and has some odd habits and is probably married to a closeted bi/homosexual man-child, but I do not get the pathological hate on her body on this board. It is disturbing. Yes, she's lost a lot of weight. She was already skinny and still had some facial edema post-pregnancy, so the loss is prominent. But, she's said she has anxiety issues. She may have little appetite and even some food phobias. The diet she grew up with was carb and sugar-laden. Aside from all the treats, I think she tries to feed the family a healthy diet. A lot of people try to succeed and fail. She's still a pretty woman.

So, let's be fair. If you're going to criticize Ellie's body down even to her abdomen and crotch area, criticize everyone else. *Jared is short with a huge head, barrel-like chest, and the gut of a much older man. *Joel is short, balding, and has prominent love handles and he's not even 35 years old. *Bonnie aint "goalz" either. She has what we call a "basketball gut" and swollen wrists and hands and wears her clothing entirely too tight. I still don't think any of them are hideous or scary or that they don't have good features too.

Yes, people are heavier than they were twenty years ago due to the heinous Western diet. Open your eyes and look around and you'll see some skinny Ellie's/Beaus and some pudgy Bonnie's/Jareds along with everything in between and upto the morbidly obese. Why pick on the skinny chicks? I've never understood this. It does not help them and it can cause a lot of emotional distress and anger. Sometimes you can't just eat a cheeseburger and change your metabolism.

At least one person will comment that all of the Ellie skinny shaming is because they are "concerned for her well-being". Madness!
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby HelloSweetie » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:25 pm

LydiaE wrote:
thenightowl wrote:Could Ellie even carry a child? She just seems way way too thin to even become pregnant, aren't your cycles off when you are too thin?
And NO Ellie, you aren't "goals" you literally have the body of a 10 year old, it's not cute, it's scary honestly.


I weighed 95 lbs when I became pregnant with my first child. My cycles were normal and all of my blood work proved that I was healthy. The pregnancy was healthy. The baby was a healthy 8 lbs. I gained weight in normal places, nursed my daughter, and then lost the weight on a normal diet. I weighed 100 lbs when I became pregnant with my son. Normal periods. Good blood work. Healthy pregnancy. 10 lb baby. Nursed and then lost weight normally.

I get that Ellie is annoying and has some odd habits and is probably married to a closeted bi/homosexual man-child, but I do not get the pathological hate on her body on this board. It is disturbing. Yes, she's lost a lot of weight. She was already skinny and still had some facial edema post-pregnancy, so the loss is prominent. But, she's said she has anxiety issues. She may have little appetite and even some food phobias. The diet she grew up with was carb and sugar-laden. Aside from all the treats, I think she tries to feed the family a healthy diet. A lot of people try to succeed and fail. She's still a pretty woman.

So, let's be fair. If you're going to criticize Ellie's body down even to her abdomen and crotch area, criticize everyone else. *Jared is short with a huge head, barrel-like chest, and the gut of a much older man. *Joel is short, balding, and has prominent love handles and he's not even 35 years old. *Bonnie aint "goalz" either. She has what we call a "basketball gut" and swollen wrists and hands and wears her clothing entirely too tight. I still don't think any of them are hideous or scary or that they don't have good features too.

Yes, people are heavier than they were twenty years ago due to the heinous Western diet. Open your eyes and look around and you'll see some skinny Ellie's/Beaus and some pudgy Bonnie's/Jareds along with everything in between and upto the morbidly obese. Why pick on the skinny chicks? I've never understood this. It does not help them and it can cause a lot of emotional distress and anger. Sometimes you can't just eat a cheeseburger and change your metabolism.

At least one person will comment that all of the Ellie skinny shaming is because they are "concerned for her well-being". Madness!


The things is, as you've been told before, no one is talking about you or other (I assume) healthy skinny women. TONS of larger YTers have their weight commented on when it seems like they have health issues. No one is just picking on the skinny girls. Everyone is talking about one skinny girl in particular that does seem to have some questionable practices when it comes to food. Who has been so thin at one point that she couldn't care for her children or even walk up stairs. You say you breastfed just fine... clearly your body wasn't eating itself to feed your children like Ellie's was. And plenty of people have commented on Bonnie's weight, yourself included, on BONNIE'S BOARD. This is Ellie's board, and of course people are going to discuss her when she's acting like a lunatic rolling around in the snow. If Bonnie were to roll around in a bathing suit like that, 100 people would comment on her weight, just like they do when she wears a jumpsuit. And no one was stopping you from mentioning Jared's physique. Actually, someone did earlier, so stop taking the Ellie talk so personally. Jared was included too.

Julie, Ruby, Aspen Ovard, Mary Frey, etc... there are multiple YTers that are thin and no one comments on it or calls them disgusting. Ellie is very thin and it does seem like a health issue when you combine that with things she herself has said. That is why her weight is discussed. Let's be real and not act like it's just a general hate for all skinny women. No one ever mentioned her weight as a concern until after Cal when it clearly became so severe that a doctor had to step in. Unless you doubt his opinion and think Ellie was just fine all along because you are?
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby HashtagBlessed » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:37 pm

I'm not pointing out her weight to be vicious. Saying someone has a "basketball gut" is just plain mean. Ellie sincerely looks ill to me, and others too apparently, and that's why people are speaking up.

And I've said this before, but I'm a petite woman myself. I'm 5'2" and 103 or so pounds and Ellie looks scary to me. I'm not snarking on skinny people, I'm a small framed person.

I think she's well below 100 or even 95 pounds at this point. I've weighed 100 pounds and I didn't look anything like Ellie in a bathing suit. Something is wrong. I had my suspicious, and I was even more convinced once she disclosed that she would break down and cry because she didn't have the energy to walk up the stairs.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby LydiaE » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:58 pm

Simmer down, Hello Sweetie. Differing opinions and debate are fine and welcome but your patronizing tone to me as a specific member is not acceptable. I've never been crass enough to call you out individually and you irritate the hell out of some people.

3/4 of the discussion here on this board is about how this woman looks like death, or that her crotch and abdomen look weird, or that she looks like a pre-puber. That's bordering on obsessive. I don't know who any of those other YTubers are that you mentioned, but it's odd that they are, as you say, thin and no one criticizes them or calls them disgusting. That makes no sense.

I like being thin, no chip on my shoulder here. I also don't think fat or overweight people are disgusting, sick looking, unable to care for their kids, have weird shaped crotches, etc. I can usually find at least one attractive feature in everyone.

I'm not going to respond to you individually again.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby yoyo16 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:02 pm

kittypurry wrote:Looks like couple #5 are going to start vlogging

https://youtu.be/7sofik0DPsQ


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I wonder if they're doing it as per the request of Ellie and Jared.


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby HelloSweetie » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:17 pm

LydiaE wrote:Simmer down, Hello Sweetie. Differing opinions and debate are fine and welcome but your patronizing tone to me as a specific member is not acceptable. I've never been crass enough to call you out individually and you irritate the hell out of some people.

3/4 of the discussion here on this board is about how this woman looks like death, or that her crotch and abdomen look weird, or that she looks like a pre-puber. That's bordering on obsessive. I don't know who any of those other YTubers are that you mentioned, but it's odd that they are, as you say, thin and no one criticizes them or calls them disgusting. That makes no sense.

I like being thin, no chip on my shoulder here. I also don't think fat or overweight people are disgusting, sick looking, unable to care for their kids, have weird shaped crotches, etc. I can usually find at least one attractive feature in everyone.

I'm not going to respond to you individually again.


You've called me out plenty of times, but ok.

As I said before, just because you prefer to be thin, that doesn't mean everyone that is thin is healthy. That's a dangerous opinion. No one is saying is dangerous for EVERYONE to be thin. Ellie looks ill and appears to have health issues, just as many overweight YTers do. Similarly, thee are many people that appear overweight that are actually quite healthy. Thin does not always equal more healthy. Ellie is naturally thin, but not THAT thin. Her body looks like it's going into starvation mode, and to expect people to not notice or discuss it is unrealistic when she's putting it out there. I personally had no comment about her crotch, though I did not need to see those shots. I didn't need to see Jared's belly either, my apologies if I didn't state that enough.

I think you've missed everyone's point about why they are concerned and are taking it too personally. No need to respond.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby nutbagmcgee » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:31 pm

I think Ellie at the most weighs 95 pounds. No more than that. There is a difference between skinny and scary skinny. Ellie crossed that line about 15 pounds ago. She looks scary and unwell.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby actuallydear » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:42 pm

She definitely weighs under 95 pounds. When she was having Jackson she was excited to finally reach 100 pounds and she was heavier then than she is now.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby tratra58 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:50 pm

nutbagmcgee wrote:I think Ellie at the most weighs 95 pounds. No more than that. There is a difference between skinny and scary skinny. Ellie crossed that line about 15 pounds ago. She looks scary and unwell.


I think the thing is there are pictures of her at a good weigh or above one hundred pounds. I don't think she is that tall.


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby tratra58 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:23 pm

LydiaE wrote:
thenightowl wrote:Could Ellie even carry a child? She just seems way way too thin to even become pregnant, aren't your cycles off when you are too thin?
And NO Ellie, you aren't "goals" you literally have the body of a 10 year old, it's not cute, it's scary honestly.


I weighed 95 lbs when I became pregnant with my first child. My cycles were normal and all of my blood work proved that I was healthy. The pregnancy was healthy. The baby was a healthy 8 lbs. I gained weight in normal places, nursed my daughter, and then lost the weight on a normal diet. I weighed 100 lbs when I became pregnant with my son. Normal periods. Good blood work. Healthy pregnancy. 10 lb baby. Nursed and then lost weight normally.

I get that Ellie is annoying and has some odd habits and is probably married to a closeted bi/homosexual man-child, but I do not get the pathological hate on her body on this board. It is disturbing. Yes, she's lost a lot of weight. She was already skinny and still had some facial edema post-pregnancy, so the loss is prominent. But, she's said she has anxiety issues. She may have little appetite and even some food phobias. The diet she grew up with was carb and sugar-laden. Aside from all the treats, I think she tries to feed the family a healthy diet. A lot of people try to succeed and fail. She's still a pretty woman.

So, let's be fair. If you're going to criticize Ellie's body down even to her abdomen and crotch area, criticize everyone else. *Jared is short with a huge head, barrel-like chest, and the gut of a much older man. *Joel is short, balding, and has prominent love handles and he's not even 35 years old. *Bonnie aint "goalz" either. She has what we call a "basketball gut" and swollen wrists and hands and wears her clothing entirely too tight. I still don't think any of them are hideous or scary or that they don't have good features too.

Yes, people are heavier than they were twenty years ago due to the heinous Western diet. Open your eyes and look around and you'll see some skinny Ellie's/Beaus and some pudgy Bonnie's/Jareds along with everything in between and upto the morbidly obese. Why pick on the skinny chicks? I've never understood this. It does not help them and it can cause a lot of emotional distress and anger. Sometimes you can't just eat a cheeseburger and change your metabolism.

At least one person will comment that all of the Ellie skinny shaming is because they are "concerned for her well-being". Madness!


I see the others imperfections too especially in bathing suits. Any eating issue is difficult whether over eating or not eating and the western diet is awful. Shaytard is a good example of family issues with obesity and he has gained weight back. I also think most thinner people eat less, move more and it is not just metabolism which are positives.

However, Joel has no control over height or hair loss and Jared's head is not something you can change like weight...yet it is hard to change weight.

I see Ellie a couple years back being prettier with darker hair and more weight resulting in fuller facial features. I think Bonnie is actually more natural looking with her dark hair and she has more of a shape. I took a sociology class that spoke to how you see someone's personality can influence how you see them physically so this might have more of an affect on how some see Ellie. This vlog didn't help either with the odd thumbnail.


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby S_tine05 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:03 am

There is a big difference between being naturally thin or unable to gain weight normally and having psychological issues and a warped perception of body image, my hubby is naturally thin like seriously thin and has been mocked for it almost his entire life he eats well and when he eats nothing but junk which he does rarely he will not gain even a smidge he has gone to doctors had many tests done they all said he has a fast metabolism and he chose not to go on meds for the rest of his life that was his choice but he still gets alot of flak and I get comments oh don't you feed him which can also be very insulting, I on the other hand was over weight most of my life and towards the end of highschool suffered from an eating and body image disorder lost way to much weight as in over half my body weight in less than a year and I weighed over 100kg and no one saw and issue in fact I was praised for losing the weight and encouraged which is just sad it took having my son at the age of 18 to finally see the problem and I still have issues today, I see so many of the same behaviors I had in Ellie and I think that is where the problem lies, people get mocked for being both under weight and over weight but on this forum I have not seen the issue of her being thin but rather her being unhealthy and raising her kids and family to have the same bad eating habits and behaviors that she has because your kids learn their eating habits and how they percieve their body image from their parents firstly and then their peers even boys
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Cgl33 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:07 am

Thank goodness we have Lydia here to tell us what we should or shouldn't talk about.

Again, it's not about you. This is about Ellie who has said she was so weak that she couldn't climb the stairs or take care of her children. They are lucky that Jared is home and she's not a SAHM by herself. She has said that she suffers from anxiety, but treats it by keeping busy and choosing to be happy. These are not things that people have assumed about her, it's what she has said. And Ellie's weight loss is alarming because she looks even paler, with bones sticking out, and sunken in eyes. I hope she gets professional help for whatever is causing it, but it's doubtful.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby phie20 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:26 am

"Joan & Joan" are already using the same ridiculous summaries of their vlogs in the info box as the Griffiths. I've lost some sympathy for them, sorry can not help but roll my eyes at that.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Emily48098 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:27 am

I'm starting to think that "Happiness is a Choice" is Mormon mantra.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby bam » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:36 am

^ lol as a mormon, i can say that this is definitely not the case. i think this has more to do with how jennifer raised them. mormons living in the utah bubble (esp those that were born and raised there) seem to have a different way of thinking as well.
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