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E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby actuallydear » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:54 am

bam wrote:^ lol as a mormon, i can say that this is definitely not the case. i think this has more to do with how jennifer raised them. mormons living in the utah bubble (esp those that were born and raised there) seem to have a different way of thinking as well.

A question to you and your fellow Mormons, how do you view the recent thumbnail of Ellie, or how she seems to flaunt her body in general?

How do you think the church would view her?
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Sarai » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:12 am

Emily48098 wrote:I'm starting to think that "Happiness is a Choice" is Mormon mantra.


It definitely is, despite what other users say here. It's a part of Mormon culture, including Fundamentalist Mormons who have a saying, "Keep sweet". Maybe Mormons outside Utah won't experience it much, because they're not influenced by a majority Mormon culture, but it's very much a part of it.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby tratra58 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:22 am

Cgl33 wrote:Thank goodness we have Lydia here to tell us what we should or shouldn't talk about.

Again, it's not about you. This is about Ellie who has said she was so weak that she couldn't climb the stairs or take care of her children. They are lucky that Jared is home and she's not a SAHM by herself. She has said that she suffers from anxiety, but treats it by keeping busy and choosing to be happy. These are not things that people have assumed about her, it's what she has said. And Ellie's weight loss is alarming because she looks even paler, with bones sticking out, and sunken in eyes. I hope she gets professional help for whatever is causing it, but it's doubtful.


I actually think it is fair to present a different perspective with comparing this group of vloggers or Bonnie, Joel and Jared as not healthy either. While I think she has eating issues for the reasons you stated, I am not a professional and can't say this with certainty she has an eating disorder. I don't see her having problems with activity presently including seeing her outdoors and she actually seem to do well. I don't know how she is coping with anxiety, but I don't think it is good for Ellie to give out advice though her comments. Ellie to me is not a likable person, not nice to others, self centered and her screaming has gotten worse so this does influences my opinions. Yet, I also need to remember she is twenty something and I see a lack of maturity so time will tell if she does better, but being a Griffith will not help and she may never change. Bottom line, all my opinions are based on vlogs and not real life so I could be completely wrong.

Jared should be talked to by his dad and say what were you thinking putting that thumbnail of her in the snow on this vlog. Even more questionable is why is Ellie ok with this picture. The other thing is she is getting positive comments from viewers and that is all she sees and her family hopefully will be watchful with her health. The pregnancy question will be answered in the near future since I think number three is in their plans.




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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby tratra58 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:26 am

bam wrote:^ lol as a mormon, i can say that this is definitely not the case. i think this has more to do with how jennifer raised them. mormons living in the utah bubble (esp those that were born and raised there) seem to have a different way of thinking as well.


That is good to know since I am basing my thoughts on Mormons on the Griffiths. I have questioned if living in Utah has an influence too.


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby smellycat801 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:38 am

Emily48098 wrote:I'm starting to think that "Happiness is a Choice" is Mormon mantra.

See, and as a former Mormon, I think this is true. Maybe it's more of a Utah Mormon thing? Yet Utah has one of the highest anti depressant usage, but probably a lot of people who wouldn't admit to taking them. If you can't make yourself feel happy, you feel like there is something wrong.

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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby lmmomSD » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:11 am

And the thing about Ellie's weight is, that after her crying about haters, hiding the fact that she wasn't breastfeeding Calvin anymore, and all the things she's said about trying to gain weight, she still posts pictures of incredibly small portions, of herself sitting in a baby swing, and deletes and blocks even concerned comments about her weight.
I have people in my family who are naturally thin, and people who have struggled with obesity. But the bottom line is that we aren't talking about me and my family. We're talking about Ellie. And she seriously seems to have some issues, and she's going to pass them on. And that's not fair to Jackson or Calvin.

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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby actuallydear » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:36 am

did anyone see the look and "goodbye!" ellie gave in bonnie's vlog at 13:20?

she looked and sounded piiiiiisssssssssssed.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Pency » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:40 am

Oh my, how embarrassed must Ellie be for running out of flour??? Don't all the Griffiths have enough dry goods to last them through a nuclear winter? I bet she's on Jennifer's naughty list.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby actuallydear » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:55 am

Pency wrote:Oh my, how embarrassed must Ellie be for running out of flour??? Don't all the Griffiths have enough dry goods to last them through a nuclear winter? I bet she's on Jennifer's naughty list.

she definitely had a melt down before the vlog started. you can see it in her face and hear it in her voice. i wonder if the meltdown was from the flour or that was the straw that broke the camels back?
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby HelloSweetie » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:01 am

lmmomSD wrote:And the thing about Ellie's weight is, that after her crying about haters, hiding the fact that she wasn't breastfeeding Calvin anymore, and all the things she's said about trying to gain weight, she still posts pictures of incredibly small portions, of herself sitting in a baby swing, and deletes and blocks even concerned comments about her weight.
I have people in my family who are naturally thin, and people who have struggled with obesity. But the bottom line is that we aren't talking about me and my family. We're talking about Ellie. And she seriously seems to have some issues, and she's going to pass them on. And that's not fair to Jackson or Calvin.

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Exactly. And it's not like the weight/health of other vloggers isn't discussed. It absolutely is! It comes up daily on other boards. Bonnie's weight and diet comes up often, Bryan and Missy are constantly questioned about their health.... so to argue that should be somehow be discussed along with Ellie's issue makes no sense. It's a deflection. It's an argument that Eugenia Cooney fans have made for years, and all it's has done is enable her. This is a discussion board due E&J, so naturally their health is going to be discussed. It's hard to care about Jared's Dr Pepper addiction when there's a bigger elephant in the room.

I've said before, my aunt has had an eating disorder for years now. I see a lot of similarities in how Ellie behaves and speaks about food. My aunt has a lot of energy, but definitely is not healthy in other ways, energy alone does not somehow make an eating disorder not a problem. They also don't really do much in a day. It's easy to appear energetic for a 15 minute vlog. I watch a Vlogger with Cystic Fibrosis who is at least 10 pounds heavier than Ellie (similar height) but under doctor's orders to drink shakes to put on weight. She has a serious illness and is exhausted most of the time, but you wouldn't really know it watching the vlogs because she only vlogs when she's in the more active part of her day.

It is possible to be healthy and thin, but it is also possible to be healthy and heavier. I am not one of the posted that routinely body shames any type, but I most definitely will call out health concerns if I see them.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby workfromhomemom » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:35 am

I think it's funny that Lydia said not to thin shame and then talks badly about Joel and Bonnie's weight, who look perfectly healthy to me. Wow...
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Vincere » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:38 am

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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby workfromhomemom » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:38 am

I think we also as a group need to work on not stereotyping Mormoms based on the Griffiths. They aren't the standard for Mormons. I have a good friend who actually lived in the town Ellie and Bonnie do (I figured out she moved before they lived there - dang!) and she deals with depression, anxiety and real life issues. She's liberal, etc. Its too easy to stereotype groups and I think we are guilty of doing that from time to time on here, myself included.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby HelloSweetie » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:50 am

workfromhomemom wrote:I think we also as a group need to work on not stereotyping Mormoms based on the Griffiths. They aren't the standard for Mormons. I have a good friend who actually lived in the town Ellie and Bonnie do (I figured out she moved before they lived there - dang!) and she deals with depression, anxiety and real life issues. She's liberal, etc. Its too easy to stereotype groups and I think we are guilty of doing that from time to time on here, myself included.


I see what you're saying and to an extent I agree, but I definitely feel like we can't help but see similar patterns with a lot of the Mormon vloggers. It's not just the Griffith's. If you follow any Mormon wife/mommy blogs they all show the same "be happy and perfect" mentality. I do agree though, that it's probably a regional issue, and that we should be careful to not make assumptions about all Mormons in general. I think it comes down to exposure. If you're a LDS member living in an area with more diversity, you're going to view the world differently.

Depression and anxiety are not LDS issues, but there are statistics suggesting a higher incidence among them, particularly in UT. I would think it would be hard for both Mormon and non- Mormons to live within the LDS bubble where there clearly is a lot of pressure to be/have/do it all perfectly.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby RootBeerFloatie » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:12 pm

Keep in mind that the LDS church encourages and sponsors mormon vloggers to make the kind of content that we're seeing from them. They all live very similar cookie cutter lives with similar views and values. If that's not a shining example of mormon culture then I don't know what is.

If you research mormonism you'll find that it's full of strange, nonsensical teachings and beliefs. Where I'm from it's even seen as a cult. I'm sure some mormons are nice people, but look back at the beginning of this forum. E&J were the gold standard for perfect, gracious human beings. Now, people see something sinister lurking beneath the surface.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Kjr123 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:16 pm

actuallydear wrote:did anyone see the look and "goodbye!" ellie gave in bonnie's vlog at 13:20?

she looked and sounded piiiiiisssssssssssed.


Yep! Yikes, she looked so mad and sounded very bitchy.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby millercoop » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:41 pm

[img]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161230/c9ab810e3a32d075a8593bd142040074.jpg[/img]

This is a really old picture on Ellie's instagram.. but I know where Calvin gets his looks from.... lol


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby millercoop » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:42 pm

[img]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161230/c9ab810e3a32d075a8593bd142040074.jpg[/img]

This is a really old picture on Ellie's instagram.. but I know where Calvin gets his looks from.... lol


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby CallieT » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:14 pm

That's just scary!!
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby millercoop » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:13 pm

I know this isn't Bonnie's thread but I was just curious what you guys think of her? Obviously everyone here isn't a fan of Ellie (& Jared) but I was wondering how everyone felt about Bonnie. I haven't been watching her very long, but I really like her. I'm scared to go look at her thread because I don't want to read all the negative things about her and start disliking her too hahah. But from what I've seen she seems sweeter and more genuine than Ellie. Yes or no?


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby staceybrax » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:24 pm

millercoop wrote:I know this isn't Bonnie's thread but I was just curious what you guys think of her? Obviously everyone here isn't a fan of Ellie (& Jared) but I was wondering how everyone felt about Bonnie. I haven't been watching her very long, but I really like her. I'm scared to go look at her thread because I don't want to read all the negative things about her and start disliking her too hahah. But from what I've seen she seems sweeter and more genuine than Ellie. Yes or no?


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I like her, her thread isn't super negative. She has a few issues that people don't agree with but for the most part people seem to like her. She's so much warmer than Ellie and much more likeable


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby CallieT » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:35 pm

Yeah, it seems to me like people either love or hate Bonnie so that's kind of what it's like on her thread.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby HelloSweetie » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:36 pm

millercoop wrote:[img]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161230/c9ab810e3a32d075a8593bd142040074.jpg[/img]

This is a really old picture on Ellie's instagram.. but I know where Calvin gets his looks from.... lol


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I remember seeing this picture before and noticing the resemblance. It's made me wonder if maybe Cal is the favourite because he more closely resembles Ellie.

I agree though, she wasn't exactly the cutest kid.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby lmmomSD » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:44 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
millercoop wrote:[img]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161230/c9ab810e3a32d075a8593bd142040074.jpg[/img]

This is a really old picture on Ellie's instagram.. but I know where Calvin gets his looks from.... lol


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I remember seeing this picture before and noticing the resemblance. It's made me wonder if maybe Cal is the favourite because he more closely resembles Ellie.

I agree though, she wasn't exactly the cutest kid.

She thinks she looks like _Jackson_? Nope. Jackson is much cuter. She looks just like Calvin, though.

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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby lmmomSD » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:44 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
millercoop wrote:[img]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161230/c9ab810e3a32d075a8593bd142040074.jpg[/img]

This is a really old picture on Ellie's instagram.. but I know where Calvin gets his looks from.... lol


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I remember seeing this picture before and noticing the resemblance. It's made me wonder if maybe Cal is the favourite because he more closely resembles Ellie.

I agree though, she wasn't exactly the cutest kid.

She thinks she looks like _Jackson_? Nope. Jackson is much cuter. She looks just like Calvin, though.

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