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E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:04 pm

.[/quote]

So ironic, given that posters here are being accused of being awful people for behaving in the same manner. Ellie does it though and it's somehow different.

I don't think she can change because I think she's a bully. Look how often she points out that Bonnie has a bigger butt than her! She does it to make herself feel superior. I think this is the same reason why she called those IVF couples at their lowest. They had to know she was winning![/quote]

I'm assuming you're talking about the thread title? Because I certainly, and I don't recall anyone else, saying anybody here is behaving like Ellie. This thread title is about Ellie and Jared. End of story. The mod has confirmed that.

Ellie is on a whole different level then the majority of people I've come across.[/quote]

It didn't come off as I intended, but I was agreeing with you. It seems people are so quick to defend Ellie now that she's had this loss that they are calling other posters here out for being "worse than Ellie" for being insensitive. Yet Ellie herself now gets a pass.

But I completely agree Ellie is on a different level and that's why I have no problem with the title despite having suffered losses myself.[/quote]

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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby SweetDreams » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:05 pm

canmom2 wrote:
RecklessDisregard wrote:OK, I plead ignorance about fertility clinics. I did not seek treatment when I had the opportunity (which I regret), but that's neither here nor there.

I'm aware that changing her "2 miscarriages" story to 3 in order to expedite treatment is unethical, but it still didn't really disturb me, which perhaps says something about my character, but is not a hill I care to die on.

I assumed that if E+J could pay, then there were enough specialists to go around. That has been the case in specialties I am more familiar with. It's a shitty and unfair system for those with poor insurance or none at all, but people with good coverage or who can self-pay at premium rates generally get excellent and timely treatment (again, in other specialties).

So I was not aware that Ellie getting treatment would prevent someone else (who didn't lie) from getting it.

I dont know what kind of fertility centres you guys go to but i didnt need miscarriages. The admins pretend to be better than Ellie but this title kinda says it all. There have been enough complaints about it and it hasnt been changed. Really 1 complaint should be enough one person saying they were hurt and offended should be enough. So can all the Ellies on here explain why regular peoples feelings cannot be taken into consideration.


I just want to throw it out there that I think the term "fertility clinic" has been used in a broader way than intended. My understanding is you will go to a fertility clinic if you have trouble getting pregnant. If you have multiple losses, you go to a maternal fetal medicine (MFM) specialist, and possibly other specialists. Generally it takes 3 losses before you will get referred to a MFM. That is because unfortunately miscarriages are common. You can experience one or two and have no problem that they can treat. I experienced a late term stillbirth and was only referred to a MFM because I had abnormal test results. Otherwise, I wouldn't have even seen one. I had to wait a few weeks to get an appointment with one. It is absolutely true that by lying about losses, Ellie will force someone with possibly real issues to have to wait longer. When you are ttc, a few weeks is a big deal. It can be a waste of a cycle.
It's clear she has no problem getting pregnant (this was only her second or third cycle trying!). She also has no reason to go to a MFM. I am totally in the camp that this is her first miscarriage. She wants to be special, but the sad reality is that she isn't.


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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby queentee20 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:21 pm

The thread title is not offensive at all. When I read it I assumed it was referring to her/him being shitty so shit will happen to him/her in return.... y'all look way too into things.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby strawberry_smoothie » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:21 pm

OMG! Go look at Jade Roper's (from the Bachelor) Insta Story. I actually laughed out loud. The minions are everywhere!
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby madi_b_123 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:29 pm

strawberry_smoothie wrote:OMG! Go look at Jade Roper's (from the Bachelor) Insta Story. I actually laughed out loud. The minions are everywhere!
[img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170915/1e58208c5862a46b6957635f9302c855.png[/img]Coming here to post the same thing!



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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Kryptonite » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:35 pm

madi_b_123 wrote:
strawberry_smoothie wrote:OMG! Go look at Jade Roper's (from the Bachelor) Insta Story. I actually laughed out loud. The minions are everywhere!
[img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170915/1e58208c5862a46b6957635f9302c855.png[/img]Coming here to post the same thing!



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That makes ZERO sense. What's next? "YOU HAVE A BABY? YOU CAN'T HAVE A BABY BECAUSE E+J CAN'T. YOUR BABY IS A GIRL? ELLIE WANTS A GIRL. YOU SHOULD GIVE YOUR BABY TO THEM."

That's how you know your audience is under the age of 17.

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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby onbreak » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:38 pm

Whoa! The force of those minions is strong.
Overheard a few seconds of the vlog . ugh
Everyone says vlogs are scripted .. I feel like they are still running the v-log game.
I feel ultimately. She'll get her rainbow baby -by any means necessary.. What Ellie wants Ellie gets.

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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:48 pm

Ugh.
And that's why I think their oversharing isnt a good idea.
Let alone their own children hearing the ins and outs of miscarriage, they need to realize the large portion of their audience is children.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby lmmomSD » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:12 pm

Kryptonite wrote:
madi_b_123 wrote:
strawberry_smoothie wrote:OMG! Go look at Jade Roper's (from the Bachelor) Insta Story. I actually laughed out loud. The minions are everywhere!
[img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170915/1e58208c5862a46b6957635f9302c855.png[/img]Coming here to post the same thing!



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That makes ZERO sense. What's next? "YOU HAVE A BABY? YOU CAN'T HAVE A BABY BECAUSE E+J CAN'T. YOUR BABY IS A GIRL? ELLIE WANTS A GIRL. YOU SHOULD GIVE YOUR BABY TO THEM."

That's how you know your audience is under the age of 17.

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Wow. And I thought the "It's rude of you to have a baby Bec E&J are trying" on Matt &Em's vlog was bad!
Hilary Scott from the country group Lady Antebellum is pregnant with twins, and just found out that they're girls. I can just see some minions posting on her IG telling her that it's wrong for her to have twin girls since Ellie wants _one_ girl so badly!
Why do these _children_ have unfettered access to the internet?
It's as bad as the "Hannie" nutcases on the Bratayley pages.

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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Cgl33 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:13 pm

Jared was so annoying in this vlog. I feel like Ellie is trying to describe her feelings and then he comes and simplifies them and even sugar coats them. And what's with the dramatic view of him sitting in the bathroom? Think of how odd that is to film. I'm going to place my camera here so I can sit on the floor and look sad. That should be enough time. Maybe I should get in the kids' faces and Ellie's space which she is resting to take some emotional video. Vlogging is so bizarre and inauthentic.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby lmmomSD » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:36 pm

The comment about her ring is hilarious. [img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170915/4506947d3743f14a99f1c59b12311af5.jpg[/img]

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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby calliepaige84 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:39 pm

I saw Ruby posted about Ellie on her Instagram and all these little kids are like what happened to Ellie... and people are commenting a miscarriage. Could you imagine your little kid coming to you and asking what one was?
Hard convo!


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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby canmom2 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:41 pm

Jackson looked so sad when he was on the bed watching TV
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby canmom2 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:43 pm

calliepaige84 wrote:I saw Ruby posted about Ellie on her Instagram and all these little kids are like what happened to Ellie... and people are commenting a miscarriage. Could you imagine your little kid coming to you and asking what one was?
Hard convo!


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Maybe they should watch their kids when they are on the computer to see what they are watching.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby calliepaige84 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:44 pm

canmom2 wrote:
calliepaige84 wrote:I saw Ruby posted about Ellie on her Instagram and all these little kids are like what happened to Ellie... and people are commenting a miscarriage. Could you imagine your little kid coming to you and asking what one was?
Hard convo!


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Maybe they should watch their kids when they are on the computer to see what they are watching.


I agree!


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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:47 pm

canmom2 wrote:
calliepaige84 wrote:I saw Ruby posted about Ellie on her Instagram and all these little kids are like what happened to Ellie... and people are commenting a miscarriage. Could you imagine your little kid coming to you and asking what one was?
Hard convo!

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Maybe they should watch their kids when they are on the computer to see what they are watching.


I agree. But I also think that these vloggers need to know their audience. Ruby certainly caters to a young audience and they need to take some responsibility.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby HelloSweetie » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:52 pm

FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:
canmom2 wrote:
calliepaige84 wrote:I saw Ruby posted about Ellie on her Instagram and all these little kids are like what happened to Ellie... and people are commenting a miscarriage. Could you imagine your little kid coming to you and asking what one was?
Hard convo!

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Maybe they should watch their kids when they are on the computer to see what they are watching.


I agree. But I also think that these vloggers need to know their audience. Ruby certainly caters to a young audience and they need to take some responsibility.


I agree.

They can't pander to the kids by playing Where's Waldo around Halloween, but then start showing IUDs, talk about TTC and go into graphic detail about the miscarriage process.

Pick an audience!
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby lmmomSD » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:56 pm

canmom2 wrote:
calliepaige84 wrote:I saw Ruby posted about Ellie on her Instagram and all these little kids are like what happened to Ellie... and people are commenting a miscarriage. Could you imagine your little kid coming to you and asking what one was?
Hard convo!


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Maybe they should watch their kids when they are on the computer to see what they are watching.
And what they're saying on social media. Some girl took a picture of herself kissing on the cheek the boy fans are convinced "belongs" to Annie from Bratayley (they're 12!) And she's getting slut shamed and told she should "just die". This, and the Matt & Em vlog comments, and the "Hannie" furor are just not healthy. This obsession with people they don't even really know, is so weird.

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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby RubyRed » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:56 pm

I've never really watched these two before but their most recent miscarriage video popped up in my recommended videos section. I'm shocked at how thin Ellie is... i've struggled with disordered eating for over a decade and she's thinner than me, and I'm pretty small (says one half of my brain anyway). I wonder if that has anything to do with her very infrequent periods? Knowing YTMD, I'm probably beating a dead horse right now, but hopefully she's on the right track to getting healthy, for whatever causes her low weight.

I take that back if she has some kind of other health condition that makes her this thin.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby CoffeeLovinMama » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:38 pm

Cgl33 wrote:Jared was so annoying in this vlog. I feel like Ellie is trying to describe her feelings and then he comes and simplifies them and even sugar coats them. And what's with the dramatic view of him sitting in the bathroom? Think of how odd that is to film. I'm going to place my camera here so I can sit on the floor and look sad. That should be enough time. Maybe I should get in the kids' faces and Ellie's space which she is resting to take some emotional video. Vlogging is so bizarre and inauthentic.


I think he was in the bathroom with her. If you watch, he kinda reaches back. That is where there toilet area is. She may have been in there.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby actuallydear » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:53 pm

Kryptonite wrote:To respond to the posts regarding the title...

1. No one complained to moderators about the title. Coming here to complain doesn't count... If you want something changed, you need to come directly to us. We don't read every thread.

2. I'm not changing the title. The title isn't about YOU. This is a drama forum... Did you really expect there to be a sweet title? Who says karma is referring to the loss anyway?

3. There are plenty of women here who have suffered losses and aren't offended by the title so that argument is irrelevant.

4. Some of you are acting as if the skeptical people are wishing loss on people. I haven't read one comment where anyone is cheering or happy that this happened. This is a discussion board where people are welcome to discuss their opinions. I'm not censoring them because E+J are suddenly special snowflakes due to their loss. Missy and Bryan's loss has been discussed and speculated about. We talk about Joan. We've talked about Tayler's losses. E+J are no different.

ETA: I liked the previous post by accident. Damn you, clumsy thumbs!

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I'd like to respond to this.

Maybe no one messaged a mod, but surely 51 people that took the time to 'like' my post about it being in poor taste trumps the 10 or so that 'liked' the couple defending the title?

As I said previously, I wasn't offended and I don't recall anyone else being personally offended but the implication is there in the title that E+J's last miscarriage was faked and this is their karma like they somehow deserve to have lost this baby because their actions in the past weren't very nice? That is not cool.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby HelloSweetie » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:05 pm

actuallydear wrote:I'd like to respond to this.

Maybe no one messaged a mod, but surely 51 people that took the time to 'like' my post about it being in poor taste trumps the 10 or so that 'liked' the couple defending the title?

As I said previously, I wasn't offended and I don't recall anyone else being personally offended but the implication is there in the title that E+J's last miscarriage was faked and this is their karma like they somehow deserve to have lost this baby because their actions in the past weren't very nice? That is not cool.


Which comment had 51? The two I see are 9 and 10. Does it show up different on the site?
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Kryptonite » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:05 pm

actuallydear wrote:
Kryptonite wrote:To respond to the posts regarding the title...

1. No one complained to moderators about the title. Coming here to complain doesn't count... If you want something changed, you need to come directly to us. We don't read every thread.

2. I'm not changing the title. The title isn't about YOU. This is a drama forum... Did you really expect there to be a sweet title? Who says karma is referring to the loss anyway?

3. There are plenty of women here who have suffered losses and aren't offended by the title so that argument is irrelevant.

4. Some of you are acting as if the skeptical people are wishing loss on people. I haven't read one comment where anyone is cheering or happy that this happened. This is a discussion board where people are welcome to discuss their opinions. I'm not censoring them because E+J are suddenly special snowflakes due to their loss. Missy and Bryan's loss has been discussed and speculated about. We talk about Joan. We've talked about Tayler's losses. E+J are no different.

ETA: I liked the previous post by accident. Damn you, clumsy thumbs!

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I'd like to respond to this.

Maybe no one messaged a mod, but surely 51 people that took the time to 'like' my post about it being in poor taste trumps the 10 or so that 'liked' the couple defending the title?

As I said previously, I wasn't offended and I don't recall anyone else being personally offended but the implication is there in the title that E+J's last miscarriage was faked and this is their karma like they somehow deserve to have lost this baby because their actions in the past weren't very nice? That is not cool.
I can respect your opinion despite disagreeing with it. You're welcome to have it as are those of us who don't think the title is that big of a deal.

However, I didn't even read your post. If anyone has an issue with anything, you need to report it to the moderators. I was alerted to the situation by someone who doesn't even post here. I don't have the time to read through every thread and count "likes". No moderator here does.

The one thing I do want to respond to is your claim that 51 people have liked your post? That is a massive exaggeration. I did read the post since you mentioned it and 10 people have liked your post. That many people have also defended the title...

If you believe that there is an implication, that is understandable but it doesn't necessarily mean that there is one.

I have seen far worse posted on this board without complaints...

Is the title bitchy or insensitive? Maybe. Is it worth changing? Not really. It doesn't break the rules so I have no reason to change it.

This is the last comment I will make regarding this thread's title. I simply think all of the time we've spent discussing a thread's title could be better spent. If anyone wants further discussion, please take it to the Boxing Ring.

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E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Boredomatitsfinest » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:06 am

HelloSweetie wrote:
Which comment had 51? The two I see are 9 and 10. Does it show up different on the site?

Kryptonite wrote:
actuallydear wrote:
Maybe no one messaged a mod, but surely 51 people that took the time to 'like' my post about it being in poor taste trumps the 10 or so that 'liked' the couple defending the title?



The one thing I do want to respond to is your claim that 51 people have liked your post? That is a massive exaggeration. I did read the post since you mentioned it and 10 people have liked your post. That many people have also defended the title...

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Sorry to butt in here, but I just feel the need to defend actuallydear. The app only shows up to 10 likes and then stops there. If you view a user's profile on the website, you are able to see how many likes a user's post actually got. I stopped counting at about 25, so she definitely has well above 10 likes on her original post.

Not trying to add to the controversy - I just wanted to clarify that, in case each of you are using different ways of viewing the site and it's causing confusion/miscommunication.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby priestess » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:10 am

I would say the overreacting and Ellie's reaction to what is going on is a reflection of her culture. It's not just for viewers she doesn't know; it's for people who may be watching in her ward.

I've been super fascinated with Utah Mormon culture mainly because I disagree with so many things. LGBTQIA policies, the fact that women are expected to be stay at home moms & the highest thing they can do is be president of their local relief society charity, that being black is considered a curse from god. It's like Scientology too where they don't associate with ex-mormons, and they have such strange "secretive" rituals in the temple. Plus those god awful temple garmets we can occasionally see the Griffith sibs wear under their clothes. The goal is to be the happiest, Whitest family with no problems in the least. You're raised from birth to be a perfect mormon barbie doll, and if you can't keep it up then you're out of your temple wedding. In the mormon community, women are expected to have at least 5 kids. They actually look down at you if you have anything less; I was reading on one ex mormon forum where they were giving one mom hell until she broke down in a meeting about her struggles with getting pregnant again. One mother had three kids, and someone else was like "well of COURSE you have a job, you only have three children!!"

So, in a culture where the value of a woman is equated to their ability of how well they 1) birth some babies, 2) clean up after everyone, and 3) have a pinterest-perfect house, of course she's devastated. I think they're also trying to drum it up with shots like Jared sitting in the bathroom so that way their ward knows they're trying, it's not their fault, and it's not intentional. I didn't see the phone call so I don't know if she's intentionally insensitive and bitchy, but for the most part it seems like she's really wrapped up in her own life & trying to project that image of perfection to everyone that she decided to do that.

ALSO I'm not trying to knock SAHM & SAHD's or anything! It's a super hard job & is important. I just find it really strange that women expect & are expected to stay at home while the father works, especially in this day in age where it's so expensive.
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