Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
This thread is getting ridiculous. If you disagree with a choice made you're a sanctimommy and a perfect parent.
We almost need a separate thread for the people who want to critique B&J now and then, because God forbid it's done here.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
I think the topic veered to kid safety and the discussion was terrific/respectful since you don't see negative comments with Bonnie often. She has a likeable personality and so does Joel. There is no such thing as the perfect parent and the point was a few cringed at this vlog when they saw the bike basket part.ladymama wrote:This thread is getting ridiculous. If you disagree with a choice made you're a sanctimommy and a perfect parent.
We almost need a separate thread for the people who want to critique B&J now and then, because God forbid it's done here.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
I love a good discussion! Unfortunately there were quite a few users who's opinion was nothing except "you're wrong, you're a sanctimony, you aren't perfect!"tratra58 wrote:I think the topic veered to kid safety and the discussion was terrific/respectful since you don't see negative comments with Bonnie often. She has a likeable personality and so does Joel. There is no such thing as the perfect parent and the point was a few cringed at this vlog when they saw the bike basket part.ladymama wrote:This thread is getting ridiculous. If you disagree with a choice made you're a sanctimommy and a perfect parent.
We almost need a separate thread for the people who want to critique B&J now and then, because God forbid it's done here.
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Thanks for a good discussion everyone!
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There were a few great posts, but many that shot down opinions because Bonnie is queen. I just wish this thread could hold it together and discuss things without shooting other opinions down.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
I love a good discussion! Unfortunately there were quite a few users who's opinion was nothing except "you're wrong, you're a sanctimony, you aren't perfect!"tratra58 wrote:I think the topic veered to kid safety and the discussion was terrific/respectful since you don't see negative comments with Bonnie often. She has a likeable personality and so does Joel. There is no such thing as the perfect parent and the point was a few cringed at this vlog when they saw the bike basket part.ladymama wrote:This thread is getting ridiculous. If you disagree with a choice made you're a sanctimommy and a perfect parent.
We almost need a separate thread for the people who want to critique B&J now and then, because God forbid it's done here.
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Thanks for a good discussion everyone!
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There were a few great posts, but many that shot down opinions because Bonnie is queen. I just wish this thread could hold it together and discuss things without shooting other opinions down.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
I'm just a lurker so my opinion might not be worth much, but I think constantly saying "people just think Bonnie is Queen" is very dismissive of that side's opinion. You keep saying they aren't allowing you to have yours, but that's not what I'm seeing at least. I see two sides trying to convince one another, and it's just never going to happen. You have your opinion, it's been voices MULTIPLE times in this discussion, the other side just doesn't agree. I also don't see the side defending Bonnie as thinking she's perfect. They acknowledge her faults, but seem to also acknowledge their own. I don't see a glimmer of that from the other side while they are criticizing her. It's all "my child read at 4" and it's very humble braggy. It's things like that that caused me to make the sanctimommy comment. I'm sorry if it offended anyone.
Look, I've lurked enough to see there are two sides here. Know what though? There appear to be many posters in the middle too, and anytime you start to say "People just think Bonnie is Queen" or "You're just a hater anyway" it dismisses those people's opinions. I agree with the previous poster that it was a good discussion until a handful of people got upset more people weren't agreeing with them. Both sides are entitled to an opinion. There are factors that might effect it like parenting style, age, location, etc, but I wish the dismissive call-outs would stop. It keeps neutral posters like myself from weighing in. I also wish everyone would stop trying to deflect by bringing other boards into it, unless you can cite specific examples of how the same users have changed their opinions.
Now I'll go back to lurking before I'm told I'm just a Bonnie minion.
*edited because I messed up quoting
Look, I've lurked enough to see there are two sides here. Know what though? There appear to be many posters in the middle too, and anytime you start to say "People just think Bonnie is Queen" or "You're just a hater anyway" it dismisses those people's opinions. I agree with the previous poster that it was a good discussion until a handful of people got upset more people weren't agreeing with them. Both sides are entitled to an opinion. There are factors that might effect it like parenting style, age, location, etc, but I wish the dismissive call-outs would stop. It keeps neutral posters like myself from weighing in. I also wish everyone would stop trying to deflect by bringing other boards into it, unless you can cite specific examples of how the same users have changed their opinions.
Now I'll go back to lurking before I'm told I'm just a Bonnie minion.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
I predict Bonnie will get her fair share of criticism as time goes on. There are a few areas I question she records with her children and I think when Ellie's house is complete and their channel grows, It is possible they will eventually buy or build too. Ellie's house will be beautiful and spacious like all new homes. Joel not working will change the dynamics with their family going from a middle class blue collar worker (which many can relate to) who has a great work ethic to one who does repairs at home. I will miss this hard working Joel and it is possible he could move towards being like Jared with YouTube being a main source of family income.ladymama wrote:I love a good discussion! Unfortunately there were quite a few users who's opinion was nothing except "you're wrong, you're a sanctimony, you aren't perfect!"tratra58 wrote:I think the topic veered to kid safety and the discussion was terrific/respectful since you don't see negative comments with Bonnie often. She has a likeable personality and so does Joel. There is no such thing as the perfect parent and the point was a few cringed at this vlog when they saw the bike basket part.ladymama wrote:This thread is getting ridiculous. If you disagree with a choice made you're a sanctimommy and a perfect parent.
We almost need a separate thread for the people who want to critique B&J now and then, because God forbid it's done here.
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There were a few great posts, but many that shot down opinions because Bonnie is queen. I just wish this thread could hold it together and discuss things without shooting other opinions down.
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I am really surprised at times I rethink my position with great points from others, other times it isn't going to happen.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
I predict Bonnie will get her fair share of criticism as time goes on. There are a few areas I question she records with her children and I think when Ellie's house is complete and their channel grows, It is possible they will eventually buy or build too. Ellie's house will be beautiful and spacious like all new homes. Joel not working will change the dynamics with their family going from a middle class blue collar worker (which many can relate to) who has a great work ethic to one who does repairs at home. I will miss this hard working Joel and it is possible he could move towards being like Jared with YouTube being a main source of family income.ladymama wrote:I love a good discussion! Unfortunately there were quite a few users who's opinion was nothing except "you're wrong, you're a sanctimony, you aren't perfect!"tratra58 wrote:I think the topic veered to kid safety and the discussion was terrific/respectful since you don't see negative comments with Bonnie often. She has a likeable personality and so does Joel. There is no such thing as the perfect parent and the point was a few cringed at this vlog when they saw the bike basket part.ladymama wrote:This thread is getting ridiculous. If you disagree with a choice made you're a sanctimommy and a perfect parent.
We almost need a separate thread for the people who want to critique B&J now and then, because God forbid it's done here.
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Thanks for a good discussion everyone!
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There were a few great posts, but many that shot down opinions because Bonnie is queen. I just wish this thread could hold it together and discuss things without shooting other opinions down.
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I am really surprised at times I rethink my position with great points from others, other times it isn't going to happen.
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I think bonnie just raises her kids in a very old school way, her kids live the childhood that I did. I grew up in a small country town and I walked to school from when I was in kindergarten (small town, short walk and quite streets) as did majority of the kids in my school and those who didn't caught a bus because they lived on farms. In summer we were out of the house from the moment we woke up until dinner time going between houses and playing with friends and going to the park (on our own ). My sister in law still lives in the town we all grew up in and her kids live the same lifestyle we all did as kids. I've moved away and live in the city so obviously I don't let my kids do those things. I've read too many crime novels to not be paranoid about kidnapping and murder anyway. Different people live different lifestyles based on where they live and how they were raised. At least Bonnies kids are sitting inside on an iPad all day long like a lot of kids.
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I think bonnie just raises her kids in a very old school way, her kids live the childhood that I did. I grew up in a small country town and I walked to school from when I was in kindergarten (small town, short walk and quite streets) as did majority of the kids in my school and those who didn't caught a bus because they lived on farms. In summer we were out of the house from the moment we woke up until dinner time going between houses and playing with friends and going to the park (on our own ). My sister in law still lives in the town we all grew up in and her kids live the same lifestyle we all did as kids. I've moved away and live in the city so obviously I don't let my kids do those things. I've read too many crime novels to not be paranoid about kidnapping and murder anyway. Different people live different lifestyles based on where they live and how they were raised. At least Bonnies kids are sitting inside on an iPad all day long like a lot of kids.
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Not the same at all but nevermind, a random storyannaclinchwalsh963 wrote:I confess one year the year he was turning 6 I thought my son's b day was the 12th not the 18th I argued with his father about it. He was born on his due date. I have never done it before or since with any child.
It can just happen and renovating and stuff will frazzle the most organized of mums.
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One year I looked at the calendar at work and saw it was the 9th, my dad's birthday!
Nevermind that it was 5pm, I was gonna ring him and say it was happy birthday
Ring ring
Dad-hello
Me- happy birthdayyyy!
Dad- but
Me -sings very loud, yet perfectly on key, version of Happy birthday
Dad- but
Me - dear daddddd happpyyyy birt
Dad- bu
Me -hdayyyy to youuuu
Dad- daughter
Me- what?
Dad-its not my birthday
Me- yes it is, it's the nineth!
Dad- yes it is, of July....my birthday is in February
Me- oh
Dad- and you forgot it
Me -ok bye
Ha, what a random novel, sorry
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
I totally admit to being a hypocrite. I even said that if Missy or Ellie forgot their baby's birthday, I would be all over them. I agree that Bonnie gets a break on things because people like her. I also think she does some unsafe things. I have a hard time slamming her because I do like her. I admit that. But I also think that people on this thread have been respectful of dissenting opinions. Or at least of the people stating those opinions. Nobody is saying anyone is stupid or anything like that. The "sanctimommy" comments aren't really nice, but there aren't many of them.actuallydear wrote:There's no happy medium here. It's either be on someone's dick, or run 'em to the ground.yarahcr wrote:You act like you all are perfect parents judging bonnie over the littlest of things lmao
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A lot of it is just plain hypocrisy - judging others differently to the way we judge ourselves, or even other vlogger families - different rules for different players.
I find it fun to imagine how wild the boards would be going if Missy or even Ellie pulled half the shit Bonnie has said or done, that is spoken about on this board. Imagine if Missy couldn't remember Finn's birthday... Just close your eyes and imagine it.
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As someone who isn't the biggest Bonnie fan, I think both sides can be dismissive at times...
The Bonnie fans can give her passes because she's likeable or they themselves have done whatever it is she's being criticized for, while the other side can recognize that she's likeable, and not allow that to change their opinion of whatever she did being wrong/bad in their eyes. Both sides are entitled to their opinions, but have both been dismissive by the Bonnie fans saying that she just raises her children differently/grew up differently, giving her passes that we wouldn't give other youtubers, etc., or the people criticizing saying that the Bonnie fans are stuck up her ass, or minions. I agree with Actuallydear that there is no happy medium here. I wish we could all just accept everyone's opinions and engage in a discussion instead of dismissing the other sides opinion.
Anywho, I don't see a huge deal about Joel carrying Linc in the basket because of how slow he was going, and where he was. If it were on the road, that'd be a different story.
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The Bonnie fans can give her passes because she's likeable or they themselves have done whatever it is she's being criticized for, while the other side can recognize that she's likeable, and not allow that to change their opinion of whatever she did being wrong/bad in their eyes. Both sides are entitled to their opinions, but have both been dismissive by the Bonnie fans saying that she just raises her children differently/grew up differently, giving her passes that we wouldn't give other youtubers, etc., or the people criticizing saying that the Bonnie fans are stuck up her ass, or minions. I agree with Actuallydear that there is no happy medium here. I wish we could all just accept everyone's opinions and engage in a discussion instead of dismissing the other sides opinion.
Anywho, I don't see a huge deal about Joel carrying Linc in the basket because of how slow he was going, and where he was. If it were on the road, that'd be a different story.
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The difference is that there are people who don't admit to being hypocritical, I appreciate that you can admit that there are parenting choices you give Bonnie a pass for that you wouldn't think twice about ripping Ellie/missy apart for.lmmomSD wrote:I totally admit to being a hypocrite. I even said that if Missy or Ellie forgot their baby's birthday, I would be all over them. I agree that Bonnie gets a break on things because people like her. I also think she does some unsafe things. I have a hard time slamming her because I do like her. I admit that. But I also think that people on this thread have been respectful of dissenting opinions. Or at least of the people stating those opinions. Nobody is saying anyone is stupid or anything like that. The "sanctimommy" comments aren't really nice, but there aren't many of them.actuallydear wrote:There's no happy medium here. It's either be on someone's dick, or run 'em to the ground.yarahcr wrote:You act like you all are perfect parents judging bonnie over the littlest of things lmao
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A lot of it is just plain hypocrisy - judging others differently to the way we judge ourselves, or even other vlogger families - different rules for different players.
I find it fun to imagine how wild the boards would be going if Missy or even Ellie pulled half the shit Bonnie has said or done, that is spoken about on this board. Imagine if Missy couldn't remember Finn's birthday... Just close your eyes and imagine it.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
People keep pointing out that they like Bonnie and that's one of the reasons that she gets a pass on certain things. The reason other YouTubers don't get the same consideration is because they've consistently shown they hide things, distort the truth, and exploit their children. There hasn't been a pattern of this type of behavior made readily apparent in Bonnie's vlogs. Safety is important to me. I wouldn't have done what Joel did and my daughter always wears a helmet. But Joel rode the bike with Lincoln in the basket to have fun with his kid, not to show off for the vlog. That does make a difference when comparing vloggers.
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Is Bonnie all that different ? She's hiding the fact Joel quit his job (Let's be real people. No one has that much vacation time), and has used some questionable thumbnails. Bonnie isn't a saint. At the end of the day, she's still exploiting her kids like the rest of them.westwuff wrote:The reason other YouTubers don't get the same consideration is because they've consistently shown they hide things, distort the truth, and exploit their children. There hasn't been a pattern of this type of behavior made readily apparent in Bonnie's vlogs.
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Is Bonnie all that different ? She's hiding the fact Joel quit his job (Let's be real people. No one has that much vacation time), and has used some questionable thumbnails. Bonnie isn't a saint. At the end of the day, she's still exploiting her kids like the rest of them.westwuff wrote:The reason other YouTubers don't get the same consideration is because they've consistently shown they hide things, distort the truth, and exploit their children. There hasn't been a pattern of this type of behavior made readily apparent in Bonnie's vlogs.
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Why is everyone pushing so hard? No one is trying to sell people on why they should be giving Bonnie a pass too. Most posters are saying they acknowledge her faults, but still like her. They are entitled to their opinion. I've seen you make this same post every few days. That's your opinion, but people are entitled to theirs as well.Sarai wrote:Is Bonnie all that different ? She's hiding the fact Joel quit his job (Let's be real people. No one has that much vacation time), and has used some questionable thumbnails. Bonnie isn't a saint. At the end of the day, she's still exploiting her kids like the rest of them.westwuff wrote:The reason other YouTubers don't get the same consideration is because they've consistently shown they hide things, distort the truth, and exploit their children. There hasn't been a pattern of this type of behavior made readily apparent in Bonnie's vlogs.
Lets face it, if you look at it this way they are all guilty. We should just be hating on all vloggers all the time.
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Really, because every time someone tries to criticize Bonnie, HelloSweetie or someone jumps in and shuts it down. This thread is basically a Kiss Bonnie's Ass thread. And yeah people come here to hate on vloggers or "snark". Wtf do you think a gossip forum is for? Calm down, granny!
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I absolutely agree where I've seen posted messages respectful of other's opinions. It is a message board for goodness sakes where you find opposite view points.lmmomSD wrote:I totally admit to being a hypocrite. I even said that if Missy or Ellie forgot their baby's birthday, I would be all over them. I agree that Bonnie gets a break on things because people like her. I also think she does some unsafe things. I have a hard time slamming her because I do like her. I admit that. But I also think that people on this thread have been respectful of dissenting opinions. Or at least of the people stating those opinions. Nobody is saying anyone is stupid or anything like that. The "sanctimommy" comments aren't really nice, but there aren't many of them.actuallydear wrote:There's no happy medium here. It's either be on someone's dick, or run 'em to the ground.yarahcr wrote:You act like you all are perfect parents judging bonnie over the littlest of things lmao
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A lot of it is just plain hypocrisy - judging others differently to the way we judge ourselves, or even other vlogger families - different rules for different players.
I find it fun to imagine how wild the boards would be going if Missy or even Ellie pulled half the shit Bonnie has said or done, that is spoken about on this board. Imagine if Missy couldn't remember Finn's birthday... Just close your eyes and imagine it.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
I think it was interesting Bonnie's response where you could see she had her son's wrong birthday pointed out in the comments negatively. I think it was the first time she was called out and it bothered her. It is strange Joel just doesn't say he quit his job. Perhaps he is adjusting to the fact his wife is their main source of income. I agree they are no different than other vloggers.Sarai wrote:Is Bonnie all that different ? She's hiding the fact Joel quit his job (Let's be real people. No one has that much vacation time), and has used some questionable thumbnails. Bonnie isn't a saint. At the end of the day, she's still exploiting her kids like the rest of them.westwuff wrote:The reason other YouTubers don't get the same consideration is because they've consistently shown they hide things, distort the truth, and exploit their children. There hasn't been a pattern of this type of behavior made readily apparent in Bonnie's vlogs.
tratra58 wrote:I absolutely agree where I've seen posted messages respectful of other's opinions. It is a message board for goodness sakes where you find opposite view points.lmmomSD wrote:I totally admit to being a hypocrite. I even said that if Missy or Ellie forgot their baby's birthday, I would be all over them. I agree that Bonnie gets a break on things because people like her. I also think she does some unsafe things. I have a hard time slamming her because I do like her. I admit that. But I also think that people on this thread have been respectful of dissenting opinions. Or at least of the people stating those opinions. Nobody is saying anyone is stupid or anything like that. The "sanctimommy" comments aren't really nice, but there aren't many of them.actuallydear wrote: There's no happy medium here. It's either be on someone's dick, or run 'em to the ground.
A lot of it is just plain hypocrisy - judging others differently to the way we judge ourselves, or even other vlogger families - different rules for different players.
I find it fun to imagine how wild the boards would be going if Missy or even Ellie pulled half the shit Bonnie has said or done, that is spoken about on this board. Imagine if Missy couldn't remember Finn's birthday... Just close your eyes and imagine it.
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