Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13
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I took it as Bonnie called the principal after the kids came home & told her & Joel what happened. Bonnie said something about an inappropriate story but Joel brought up bullying. If it was just an inappropriate story I wonder why Bonnie said something along the lines of she's glad they didn't want to be rude but they need to teach their kids how to punch? Regardless of who called who & what exactly went on at school I wish they wouldn't include things like this in the vlogs. They've already talked about Olivia being teased by kids at school for something having to do with YouTube. Knowing that some of their classmates watch, why include saying you're going to teach your kid to fight? I totally understand why B & J would want to get them karate lessons to defend themselves just in case. (My parents started teaching my sister & I self defense very young) so I get it. But what if that kid they're talking about is watching & takes it the wrong way? You never know these days. I know most will probably think I'm reaching but this is just my opinion & it's definitely possible. I just wish they kept some things private for the kids sake since they are the ones going to school & having to deal with it.
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That’s my biggest worry for my son at school, he is a sensitive kid and he doesn’t have a mean bone in his body (he’s 6). He stands up for himself verbally but won’t hit someone even if they hit him first. He had an incident at school where an 8 year old boy was throwing sand at and kicking at a little girl in my sons class (they were both 5 at the time) and my son stood in front of the little girl and my son told him to leave her alone and that you don’t hit girls (proud mum moment!) and this older boy kicked my son and threw sticks at him. I’ve always told him if someone hits you first you hit them back, and he does a little boxing and play fighting with his dad and he has a pretty mean punch on him but he didn’t hit his kid back even though he had kicked him and I asked him why and he said it’s because he didn’t want to hurt him.HelloSweetie wrote:I was lucky enough to never have really been bullied in school, so I was never put in the position to need to fight back. I will admit to telling my son this though, and this is why....natalka81 wrote:I feel like this is something she could have just left out of the vlog entirely. It raises too much speculation. I agree that it probably has nothing or very little to do with the fact that the kids are from a YT family, at least this time, but I do think it's probably best kept private. I would be very worried about contacting a child's family directly, though. It really should be the school that deals with it in my opinion. To be honest, I was raised by very strong 'NO physical fighting no matter what' parents so it's hard for me to get behind the 'hit someone if they are hurting you' argument (and fortunately the issue didn't come up anyway), but I do understand that it's a response many parents have. Just not one I do.
I can remember one boy being terribly pushed around and bullied in high school. Why? He was too nice and gentle to ever do anything about it. Kinda like the kids that would get locked in lockers because they would just get in when told. I don't want my son to be that kid. There was another boy in the same crowd that was terribly quiet and rarely ever talked. I always found it fascinating that the "bullies" would just leave him alone. I came to find years later that this was because he had a black belt in TKD and Judo. They had tried to mess with him once and he put up enough of a fight that it wasn't worth it. He also had a quiet confidence that the bullies just couldn't get through.
My oldest is very sensitive and kind. We have worked on his confidence and have put him in TKD so we know he could handle himself if he ever had to. No one has a right to put their hands on him and he now knows it. One day a "friend" tried to grab him and throw him to the ground and he stood his ground and was able to use self defence to toss them. They have left him alone ever since. Bullies will find the target of least resistance and I don't want that to be my child. I feel this applies to sexual predators as well.
I don’t think as a parent you ever not worry about your kid being bullied and how they will handle it. Luckily my sons school is on top of bullying and it isn’t tolerated at all and once I spoke to my sons teacher about the incident with this older kid she dealt with it and he hasn’t had a problem since. Parenting is hard
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13
My son was bullied in elementary and middle school and the LAST thing he ever wanted was for us to call the school, confront the kid or the parents. He always said it made it worse. We did contact the middle school principal and campus police when he was assaulted as a 7th grader, but that was a serious matter. We did tell him it was okay to stand up for himself verbally or hit back, but he just didn't have it in him to do that. Sweet and kind kid, never understood why the kids did what they did to him.
If the Hollein kids are truly being bullied, having it broadcast on YouTube that the parents talked to the principal is not fair to the kids. Those poor kids have no privacy. Do they really think this is good vlog content? Total disregard and no respect for their kids, the little moneymakers.
I'm sure bully Bonnie can't understand the other side of bullying either. I think she's the worst of the Griffith girls. She has a real mean streak in her.
If the Hollein kids are truly being bullied, having it broadcast on YouTube that the parents talked to the principal is not fair to the kids. Those poor kids have no privacy. Do they really think this is good vlog content? Total disregard and no respect for their kids, the little moneymakers.
I'm sure bully Bonnie can't understand the other side of bullying either. I think she's the worst of the Griffith girls. She has a real mean streak in her.
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She has a mean streak in her because she realized she wasn't that nice in elementary? Wow.Peridot wrote:My son was bullied in elementary and middle school and the LAST thing he ever wanted was for us to call the school, confront the kid or the parents. He always said it made it worse. We did contact the middle school principal and campus police when he was assaulted as a 7th grader, but that was a serious matter. We did tell him it was okay to stand up for himself verbally or hit back, but he just didn't have it in him to do that. Sweet and kind kid, never understood why the kids did what they did to him.
If the Hollein kids are truly being bullied, having it broadcast on YouTube that the parents talked to the principal is not fair to the kids. Those poor kids have no privacy. Do they really think this is good vlog content? Total disregard and no respect for their kids, the little moneymakers.
I'm sure bully Bonnie can't understand the other side of bullying either. I think she's the worst of the Griffith girls. She has a real mean streak in her.
I don't see that at all. Bonnie seems the most self-aware of all the sisters, and the one thats come the farthest. I think she's far more Hoellein than Griffiths now, and that's all thanks to Joel.
I didn't take the call as being about the kids actually being bullied though, but more about them being exposed to something they shouldn't. I once had an issue with a kid telling all the kids in the Gr 2 class that Santa wasn't real. No point in calling the parents because what is that going to do. I let the school know because they need to be aware when someone is blatantly going out of there way to antagonize their peers. Some kids are just plain mean and don't care who they hurt.
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Yeah, I don't really have a problem with how they handled it. I have a problem with the fact that they put it on YouTube.
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I agree. I don't see Bonnie as mean at all. I actually think we've seen more empathy and willingness to put herself in others shoes (and admit when she's wrong) than we have from a lot of vloggers. I think she was a bit of a rebellious kid in elementary and high school, but lots of kids are. That doesn't mean they aren't kind adults. I mean, a lot of people participate on these boards and say some horrible things, but I assume they are still really good people.menehune wrote:
She has a mean streak in her because she realized she wasn't that nice in elementary? Wow.
I don't see that at all. Bonnie seems the most self-aware of all the sisters, and the one thats come the farthest. I think she's far more Hoellein than Griffiths now, and that's all thanks to Joel.
I didn't take the call as being about the kids actually being bullied though, but more about them being exposed to something they shouldn't. I once had an issue with a kid telling all the kids in the Gr 2 class that Santa wasn't real. No point in calling the parents because what is that going to do. I let the school know because they need to be aware when someone is blatantly going out of there way to antagonize their peers. Some kids are just plain mean and don't care who they hurt.
I thought she handled that situation really well, and I can't imagine I would do anything differently other than just not vlog it. I don't get the hate this board has sometimes. Part of why those kid are so nice in the first place is because of their parents!
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I'm torn... I like Bonnie's moments of growth and self-awareness. But the situation she was describing (talking about punching, standing up to bullies, etc) didn't really seem to have much in common with Joel's empathy toward a child that maybe doesn't have a good home life. Having "heard something inappropriate" ... IDK. I'm not a fan of vagueblogging or looking at every childhood conflict through the "bullying" lens. There's just not enough information to really give the situation much more analysis, except to say that I think they would have responded differently if the kids were being harassed about YT.
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I am torn about this situation as well. I liked how she handled it but didn't think it was appropriate to be on video. She lives in a small town, yes? Where everyone knows everyone and everyone's business. If people /parents weren't aware of this they are now and not necessarily in a good way(trying to figure out who she's taking about, gossip,etc.) Personally if I was someone involved in the situation and knew another player had a strong social media or in this case YouTube following, even if I didn't watch or follow daily I would go straight to social media and see what 'side' is being put out there to a wider audience. It's almost a passive aggressive move, IMO. This is me playing Devils advocate/putting myself in the situation. I'm generally fall on the side of supporting B&J's actions, far more than the other sisters. I thought Joel brought up good points and was well spoken in the topic in general, but this made me a little mad/concerned for others involved in this situation.
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Exactly-- now everyone knows she called the principal. It could escalate it or make people tease Olivia for "running to Mommy". I just don't think it should be on the vlog. I get that they share their lives, but some things shouldn't be put on the internet for public entertainment.f4k_oyevey wrote:I am torn about this situation as well. I liked how she handled it but didn't think it was appropriate to be on video. She lives in a small town, yes? Where everyone knows everyone and everyone's business. If people /parents weren't aware of this they are now and not necessarily in a good way(trying to figure out who she's taking about, gossip,etc.) Personally if I was someone involved in the situation and knew another player had a strong social media or in this case YouTube following, even if I didn't watch or follow daily I would go straight to social media and see what 'side' is being put out there to a wider audience. It's almost a passive aggressive move, IMO. This is me playing Devils advocate/putting myself in the situation. I'm generally fall on the side of supporting B&J's actions, far more than the other sisters. I thought Joel brought up good points and was well spoken in the topic in general, but this made me a little mad/concerned for others involved in this situation.
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About her "mean streak"-- I think she's not so much mean as possessing a more physical sense of humor ( I _think_ that's the best way to put it) She seems like the type to think the Three Stooges are funnier than say, more cerebral humor. She pranks her kids, she laughs sometimes when they get hurt-- not badly, obviously. Just to use an example, the "Hey Jimmy Kimmel- I told my kids I ate their Halloween candy!" videos. I have never thought those were funny. I don't see the humor in purposely upsetting your kids and filming them crying, then trying to get it on TV.
It's not so much a mean streak as both an impatience with people who think differently, and a different sense of humor. Does that make any sense? Or am I just rambling?
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I would say that hitting should be the last line of defense against bullies, and only if they hit you first. It doesn't sound quite like their situation warrants physical violence, so I don't know why she felt the need to bring that up in the first place.
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I think Ellie thinks baby breath is nice only because Bonnie does. It's kind of like how she does things not because she wants or needs to but because her mum did it the same way. Ellie just wants to have a weird tick about her like Bonnie does (which come on, everyone has something weird about them that no one else likes to do..which also leads me to believe Ellie is just coping to be cute).nutbagmcgee wrote:Joels commentary about Frank, Bonnie and the kids made me laugh.
Bonnie and Ellies obsession with baby breath makes me sick.
I like seeing Bonnie grow as a person as she has been vlogging. she is still so honest (the punching comment, totally something I would have said) and knowing that she was a mean kid in school and loving how kind Joel was/is.
I feel so bad about the bullying. I honestly don't think it was about the vlogging, I just didn't get that vibe about it. The way Bonnie said the child was saying nasty stuff made me think something else.
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I’m sure I stand alone on this page when I say just like her sisters, she has a bratty, catty, mean side. I wouldn’t say she’s so much empathetic as she is sensitive. That does paint her a lighter shade than Ellie or Ruby, but she’s definitely all Griffith. I think Joel softens her up. Out of all of the girls I think Bonnie is the most fake. I say this with this reasoning only. With the others, what you see is what you get. With Bonnie, I think she acts like the catty, goody good, all vanity, you can’t hurt my feelings because I don’t have any, woman because deep down she’s very sensitive and one who doesn’t take it as well as she can dish it. I will however say I don’t think she’d ever intentionally put someone down or hurt them. I don’t think she’s a horrible person. She just has that certain personality
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Maybe that's what I was trying to say. I don't know if what I said made any sense at all. I agree that she's definitely got a mean streak. She's not _all_ mean and she is certainly not lacking in empathy. I agree that she not altogether mean. It's just a "streak".Whotiesyourshoes wrote:I’m sure I stand alone on this page when I say just like her sisters, she has a bratty, catty, mean side. I wouldn’t say she’s so much empathetic as she is sensitive. That does paint her a lighter shade than Ellie or Ruby, but she’s definitely all Griffith. I think Joel softens her up. Out of all of the girls I think Bonnie is the most fake. I say this with this reasoning only. With the others, what you see is what you get. With Bonnie, I think she acts like the catty, goody good, all vanity, you can’t hurt my feelings because I don’t have any, woman because deep down she’s very sensitive and one who doesn’t take it as well as she can dish it. I will however say I don’t think she’d ever intentionally put someone down or hurt them. I don’t think she’s a horrible person. She just has that certain personality
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This is actually one thing that makes me mad!! They live in a TINY town and Joel totally put one family - probably one of the few non-LDS families in town - on BLAST for being "unhappy" and sending their child to school to bully other kids. WHAT THE FUCK???!! They are both at fault for posting that information online for everyone to see. I'm sure all the kids, parents and teachers at the elementary school have watched that now. I doubt her meddling will improve the situation!!!lmmomSD wrote:Exactly-- now everyone knows she called the principal. It could escalate it or make people tease Olivia for "running to Mommy". I just don't think it should be on the vlog. I get that they share their lives, but some things shouldn't be put on the internet for public entertainment.
They really need to make better judgment calls about what they post on YT for the WORLD (and all of their small town) to see. Bonnie and Joel are literally BULLYING this other family and their child by posting this ONLINE!!
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It's possible her "meddling" could actually help some of the other students that may also be subject to whatever the Hoellein kids were.ewokfan11 wrote:This is actually one thing that makes me mad!! They live in a TINY town and Joel totally put one family - probably one of the few non-LDS families in town - on BLAST for being "unhappy" and sending their child to school to bully other kids. WHAT THE FUCK???!! They are both at fault for posting that information online for everyone to see. I'm sure all the kids, parents and teachers at the elementary school have watched that now. I doubt her meddling will improve the situation!!!lmmomSD wrote:Exactly-- now everyone knows she called the principal. It could escalate it or make people tease Olivia for "running to Mommy". I just don't think it should be on the vlog. I get that they share their lives, but some things shouldn't be put on the internet for public entertainment.
They really need to make better judgment calls about what they post on YT for the WORLD (and all of their small town) to see. Bonnie and Joel are literally BULLYING this other family and their child by posting this ONLINE!!
Having school aged kids is unbelievably hard, and I don't think you realize how normal that conversation (and Joel and Bonnie's different reactions to it) were. The problem was in POSTING IT, and not at all in how it was handled.
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I guess I'm alone but I completely related to Bonnie wanting to teach her kids to punch. We don't know what happened, but it sounded like it was a child not leaving one of them alone in some capacity. It sounded unpleasant and even something like getting into their space and saying nasty things can feel incredibly aggressive when you are sensitive. Hearing my child felt accosted in any way would definitely make my initial reaction be to hate that kid and want to see them put in their place. If you can say with absolute certainty that you would react with empathy for the bully, then you are a better person than I am!
I in no way agree that B&J are now bullying some innocent child and his family. They didn't give out specifics and if that family is so well known that everyone watching will automatically assume who they are talking about then then obviously whatever happened with that child goes far beyond just the Hoellein kids and the child's family should be held more accountable.
You raise your kids to be nice for years, and then they start school and you realize just how many people are willing to take advantage of that. There is such a thing as "too nice" and you then have to teach your kid when it's time to not be nice. Like someone else said....parenting is hard.
I in no way agree that B&J are now bullying some innocent child and his family. They didn't give out specifics and if that family is so well known that everyone watching will automatically assume who they are talking about then then obviously whatever happened with that child goes far beyond just the Hoellein kids and the child's family should be held more accountable.
You raise your kids to be nice for years, and then they start school and you realize just how many people are willing to take advantage of that. There is such a thing as "too nice" and you then have to teach your kid when it's time to not be nice. Like someone else said....parenting is hard.
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For the record... their tiny town is made up of almost 50K people and while is 86% LDS, that still means that 14% are not. But really, we don't know that the family in question isn't LDS. As we've seen from some religious vloggers, that doesn't mean your home life is perfect. Not at all.ewokfan11 wrote:This is actually one thing that makes me mad!! They live in a TINY town and Joel totally put one family - probably one of the few non-LDS families in town - on BLAST for being "unhappy" and sending their child to school to bully other kids. WHAT THE FUCK???!! They are both at fault for posting that information online for everyone to see. I'm sure all the kids, parents and teachers at the elementary school have watched that now. I doubt her meddling will improve the situation!!!lmmomSD wrote:Exactly-- now everyone knows she called the principal. It could escalate it or make people tease Olivia for "running to Mommy". I just don't think it should be on the vlog. I get that they share their lives, but some things shouldn't be put on the internet for public entertainment.
They really need to make better judgment calls about what they post on YT for the WORLD (and all of their small town) to see. Bonnie and Joel are literally BULLYING this other family and their child by posting this ONLINE!!
The Duggers had molestation issues and they are FLDS!
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The Duggars are NOT FLDS - that's a sect of the Mormon church that promotes plural marriage. The Duggars are something unrelated to the Mormon church.HelloSweetie wrote:For the record... their tiny town is made up of almost 50K people and while is 86% LDS, that still means that 14% are not. But really, we don't know that the family in question isn't LDS. As we've seen from some religious vloggers, that doesn't mean your home life is perfect. Not at all.ewokfan11 wrote:This is actually one thing that makes me mad!! They live in a TINY town and Joel totally put one family - probably one of the few non-LDS families in town - on BLAST for being "unhappy" and sending their child to school to bully other kids. WHAT THE FUCK???!! They are both at fault for posting that information online for everyone to see. I'm sure all the kids, parents and teachers at the elementary school have watched that now. I doubt her meddling will improve the situation!!!lmmomSD wrote:Exactly-- now everyone knows she called the principal. It could escalate it or make people tease Olivia for "running to Mommy". I just don't think it should be on the vlog. I get that they share their lives, but some things shouldn't be put on the internet for public entertainment.
They really need to make better judgment calls about what they post on YT for the WORLD (and all of their small town) to see. Bonnie and Joel are literally BULLYING this other family and their child by posting this ONLINE!!
The Duggers had molestation issues and they are FLDS!
50K is a TINY town and everyone there will likely know everyone else - especially through church!! It's the same size as the town the Butlers live (Pocatello) and that place was the most NOSY, busy-body, isolated, religious FREAK town I've ever lived. I'm SURE everyone in Logan knows these vlogger families!! I'm sure the non-LDS families are treated differently than the Mormon families in their town - I know from experience that's how it works in this strange area of the world.
Utah/SE Idaho is a VERY different place! Have any of you lived there? If not, then you really don't understand how Mormon and WEIRD it really is!
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Eh I live in a city of 30k people and we certainly don't know everyone. My dad was even born and raised here.