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If this one doesn't work and they stick with the doctor again, I'll be flabbergasted. But then again, maybe this is the only doctor the could find that will let them do constant back to back cycles. They should have waited with the breast cancer scare and they should have waited to figure out a sure fire plan with the heparin. Instead they are finding out this important and potentially life altering information and still jumping in to transfers days later! I would be concerned if my doctor encouraged such a thing. For people who love their embryos so much, they sure don't seem to be very thoughtful and caring towards them and their use. Are fresh transfers more successful than frozen? I wonder if there will be any resentment towards Callie who put their original transfer plans on hold.
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I wasn't within wifi range yesterday because I took some kids on a camping trip. Anyway this maybe a small thing but alex has not had 3 IVFs. She's had one plus 3 FETs. IVF is a longer process with more drugs. It's not that big of a deal but there is a difference. But I agree going through this many FETs in a short time in my experience is not a good thing and after reading what former patients had to say, I'd be looking for a different clinic.
I may not like Phil and Alex, and yes the girls are well cared for and are fed properly, their clothes are not dirty, they get proper sleep and aren't constantly crying in videos.... I could go on.
However this obsession with having a child that shares their DNA is obsessive. And it didn't start after Callie was born. You have to go back and look at videos to see this. If your looking for one it was made in Feb 2016. It's called "infertility still hurts".
As a person who has been going through IF and baby loss, I can say their videos do sting. I noticed some of their comments come from people going through IF treatment as well, they do come off not realizing how blessed they are.
Kinsley's adoption happened within 9 days. 9 months later she's crying because she got her period thinking that finally something good would happen (not my words) after having nothing but bad news in 2015.
When you have a child who is yours by birth or adoption, you beat infertility. Keep in mind this is the same couple who married in July 2011 and didn't send out christmas cards that Christmas because they were upset they weren't pregnant yet. In some videos they say they started trying in 2013.
As for the question about transfers, Any transfers success depends on a few things: their quality which depends on the quality of eggs and sperm, and the environment of the mother's uterus. Alex has stage 4 endo which is as bad as it gets.
Going back to Alex and Phil as adoptive parents, Yes the girls are cared for and loved, and they are super obsessed with IVF/FET and a biological child. When they adopted Callie, Kinsley was only 16 months old. How many other couples out there have been wanting to adopt and can provide a good home to a child? How many do not have the option of IVF/FET? To me if I were in the sad position of needing to find an adoptive family I would look for one who didn't already have a baby in diapers.
And I can tell they upset Callie's birthmom a bit when they were in the hospital. Just by watching the video.
The channel is super focused on IVF/FET and they do say that their blessed and love the girls but a lot of the bad things they do overshadows that.
All the fundraisers they've started for themselves is just strange. I honestly have never seen a couple start so many for themselves. The ones who do go the go fund me etc route their friends start it for them because they themselves are too humble to do so. And they've already had two kids so to me wait and pay for it like most people do. And keep in mind they were on staff at a mega church. Most churches see a need and do fundraisers, donations to those families so to me this is odd since they don't say anything about that. Ours does adoption/IF fundraisers all the time. And they made really good money.
The whole hands out thing is very annoying. I commend them for trying to help people if that's what their trying to do with Love multiples, but to me I'd feel better about it all if they'd helped someone before asking people for money for themselves. To me that's almost as bad as entering the E&J contest when there are so many couples who spend christmas alone wondering if that christmas would be the last before they became parents.
I may not like Phil and Alex, and yes the girls are well cared for and are fed properly, their clothes are not dirty, they get proper sleep and aren't constantly crying in videos.... I could go on.
However this obsession with having a child that shares their DNA is obsessive. And it didn't start after Callie was born. You have to go back and look at videos to see this. If your looking for one it was made in Feb 2016. It's called "infertility still hurts".
As a person who has been going through IF and baby loss, I can say their videos do sting. I noticed some of their comments come from people going through IF treatment as well, they do come off not realizing how blessed they are.
Kinsley's adoption happened within 9 days. 9 months later she's crying because she got her period thinking that finally something good would happen (not my words) after having nothing but bad news in 2015.
When you have a child who is yours by birth or adoption, you beat infertility. Keep in mind this is the same couple who married in July 2011 and didn't send out christmas cards that Christmas because they were upset they weren't pregnant yet. In some videos they say they started trying in 2013.
As for the question about transfers, Any transfers success depends on a few things: their quality which depends on the quality of eggs and sperm, and the environment of the mother's uterus. Alex has stage 4 endo which is as bad as it gets.
Going back to Alex and Phil as adoptive parents, Yes the girls are cared for and loved, and they are super obsessed with IVF/FET and a biological child. When they adopted Callie, Kinsley was only 16 months old. How many other couples out there have been wanting to adopt and can provide a good home to a child? How many do not have the option of IVF/FET? To me if I were in the sad position of needing to find an adoptive family I would look for one who didn't already have a baby in diapers.
And I can tell they upset Callie's birthmom a bit when they were in the hospital. Just by watching the video.
The channel is super focused on IVF/FET and they do say that their blessed and love the girls but a lot of the bad things they do overshadows that.
All the fundraisers they've started for themselves is just strange. I honestly have never seen a couple start so many for themselves. The ones who do go the go fund me etc route their friends start it for them because they themselves are too humble to do so. And they've already had two kids so to me wait and pay for it like most people do. And keep in mind they were on staff at a mega church. Most churches see a need and do fundraisers, donations to those families so to me this is odd since they don't say anything about that. Ours does adoption/IF fundraisers all the time. And they made really good money.
The whole hands out thing is very annoying. I commend them for trying to help people if that's what their trying to do with Love multiples, but to me I'd feel better about it all if they'd helped someone before asking people for money for themselves. To me that's almost as bad as entering the E&J contest when there are so many couples who spend christmas alone wondering if that christmas would be the last before they became parents.
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Alex just posted on her Instagram story “thank you for all understanding that we need time to process the results privately”. Unless they are really trying to fool people for the clickbait I really doubt this worked for them.....
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Same doesn’t sound very positiveolivialinnea101 wrote:Alex just posted on her Instagram story “thank you for all understanding that we need time to process the results privately”. Unless they are really trying to fool people for the clickbait I really doubt this worked for them.....
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I agree Olivia. If it is positive their pushing the clickbait. If it's negative, then they basically said it is because that's what one would think after reading a statement like that.
I'll just be glad to not hear her singing during shots. I won't lie, they don't feel good but their not so bad you need to sing through them.
I'll just be glad to not hear her singing during shots. I won't lie, they don't feel good but their not so bad you need to sing through them.
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Since Alex’s latest insta post I’m thinking it’s a negative result. If it is I really do feel sorry for them, but I hope they get further medical testing and dig deeper into her medical issues.
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There's only so much that can be done. With endo stage 4 and his sperm issues. I don't feel sorry for them they have two daughters. That sounds harsh and I don't mean it to be mean but they are litterally blessed beyond measure with the girls they have. Sometimes we want things and no matter what they don't happen. Plus with their behavior it's painful for some people with IF if they really look at all the videos and their behavior. I"m not saying they don't deserve to be pregnant. But they are parents. With Kinsley's adoption they beat infertility.Mommy359 wrote:Since Alex’s latest insta post I’m thinking it’s a negative result. If it is I really do feel sorry for them, but I hope they get further medical testing and dig deeper into her medical issues.
THey've had tens of thousands in various go fund me type donations. Easy adoptions where the babies were essentially handed to them. Their adoption story is not the norm and is what some TV movies are made about and people think oh it must be that easy. They became parents before they were 30, and had only been married for 3 years when Kinsley was born. And those donations are only the ones that were publicly donated and doesn't count to what their church might've donated to them.
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Ya know, these two mentioned that adoption wasn't something that was ever in their hearts until it became the only option. That being said, I feel like although they announced that they'd adopt, I feel like they were most likely doing it to make themselves feel like they've achieved some sort of progress.
I'm sure there's no regrets about adopting the girls but it wasn't their first choice, you can tell. If Alex had gotten pregnant before Kinsley's adoption and knowing about Kinsley's birth mom, I feel like adoption wouldn't of even been a plan for them. Probably would've had bio children and left everything as is.
I'm sure there's no regrets about adopting the girls but it wasn't their first choice, you can tell. If Alex had gotten pregnant before Kinsley's adoption and knowing about Kinsley's birth mom, I feel like adoption wouldn't of even been a plan for them. Probably would've had bio children and left everything as is.
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Phil said he'd always wanted to adopt. Alex is the one who said she had to wait for her heart to change. Now all cases are different but when your an adult, married and you have to wait for your heart to change to adopt it's probably not the option for you. I can say that with experience. Now if your dealing with cancer and your a teen and know your options are limited but not limited to adoption of course you have to change your mindset on pregnancy. But as a married adult and you openly say you had to have your heart changed is a red flag.maggielin wrote:Ya know, these two mentioned that adoption wasn't something that was ever in their hearts until it became the only option. That being said, I feel like although they announced that they'd adopt, I feel like they were most likely doing it to make themselves feel like they've achieved some sort of progress.
I'm sure there's no regrets about adopting the girls but it wasn't their first choice, you can tell. If Alex had gotten pregnant before Kinsley's adoption and knowing about Kinsley's birth mom, I feel like adoption wouldn't of even been a plan for them. Probably would've had bio children and left everything as is.
My sister and her ex got pregnant with twins right before he was sent to Saudi Arabia years ago. When she was 19 weeks pregnant she miscarried one of the babies and had a healthy full term baby girl. 2 years later she had to have a hysterectomy ending the idea they'd have more biological children. And that was all my brother in law wanted. Just 1 child. Years later when my niece was 13 or 14, their niece was placed in foster care because the bio mom was abusing her. She had special needs because she was shaken when she was just 5 weeks old and it was left there for a few days before medical attention was sought. Anyway my ex brother in law did not want to adopt her. Doctors were telling us she'd never walk, talk etc. She'd never live independently. But they did anyway and 2 years later adopted another daughter as well as a 3rd who was a teenager.
They divorced soon after. The needs of the 1st adopted daughter might have played a roll in this. And I've seen plenty of parents who think they can adopt and grow to have it in their heart and don't and the child suffers.
They've also said they want a big family. So two kids is not enough for them. I don't find anything wrong with that. My husband is a father of 3 and wants more. Just their behavior and Phil's inspirational crap is over the top annoying.
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I finally watched that video and I honestly don't see what the big deal is. It's not that dramatic. She is not at all crying and actually says that since having Kinsley she did not care about getting her periods and that was the first month she got upset and how it was nothing compared to her feelings before Kinsley.eab424 wrote: However this obsession with having a child that shares their DNA is obsessive. And it didn't start after Callie was born. You have to go back and look at videos to see this. If your looking for one it was made in Feb 2016. It's called "infertility still hurts".
As a person who has been going through IF and baby loss, I can say their videos do sting. I noticed some of their comments come from people going through IF treatment as well, they do come off not realizing how blessed they are.
Kinsley's adoption happened within 9 days. 9 months later she's crying because she got her period thinking that finally something good would happen (not my words) after having nothing but bad news in 2015.
When you have a child who is yours by birth or adoption, you beat infertility. Keep in mind this is the same couple who married in July 2011 and didn't send out christmas cards that Christmas because they were upset they weren't pregnant yet. In some videos they say they started trying in 2013.
Also, they didn't beat infertility. They have two daughters, appreciate and love them dearly, but they're still infertile. Alex has never been pregnant or given birth. Still infertile. It is completely normal for women to feel sad and hurt that their bodies are failing them. Based on your logic, should a couple that suffers from secondary infertility not be allowed to be upset? Just because they already have a child? Seems a bit petty to dictate who can and can't be upset.
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IMO they sometimes act as if they are the only ones experiencing infertility and that everything they have done is ten times worse than everyone else. Ive read a few youtube comments that said something similar on the sit down talk vlog. It rubs people the wrong way if youve dealt with infertility is all most are saying.
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boredmamaneedsdrama wrote:I finally watched that video and I honestly don't see what the big deal is. It's not that dramatic. She is not at all crying and actually says that since having Kinsley she did not care about getting her periods and that was the first month she got upset and how it was nothing compared to her feelings before Kinsley.eab424 wrote: However this obsession with having a child that shares their DNA is obsessive. And it didn't start after Callie was born. You have to go back and look at videos to see this. If your looking for one it was made in Feb 2016. It's called "infertility still hurts".
As a person who has been going through IF and baby loss, I can say their videos do sting. I noticed some of their comments come from people going through IF treatment as well, they do come off not realizing how blessed they are.
Kinsley's adoption happened within 9 days. 9 months later she's crying because she got her period thinking that finally something good would happen (not my words) after having nothing but bad news in 2015.
When you have a child who is yours by birth or adoption, you beat infertility. Keep in mind this is the same couple who married in July 2011 and didn't send out christmas cards that Christmas because they were upset they weren't pregnant yet. In some videos they say they started trying in 2013.
Also, they didn't beat infertility. They have two daughters, appreciate and love them dearly, but they're still infertile. Alex has never been pregnant or given birth. Still infertile. It is completely normal for women to feel sad and hurt that their bodies are failing them. Based on your logic, should a couple that suffers from secondary infertility not be allowed to be upset? Just because they already have a child? Seems a bit petty to dictate who can and can't be upset.
I don't think you're getting my post. Of course a person with secondary IF can be upset. I have two sisters who suffered this. One adopted the other decided to go on with just 1 child.
And if you go to adoptive groups, they will tell you by adopting they beat infertility. They may not have given birth but they became parents. So even though they couldn't have children who shared their DNA they are parents and at the end of the day your kids are your kids no matter if their adopted or not. If I adopted and that's all I had, I would say I beat infertility. The goal is becoming a parent not getting pregnant or giving birth. That's like a woman obsessed with being a bride and only getting married for the wedding itself.
I wasn't going by one video alone. They've made other videos too were they act woe is me even though they had Kinsley. And the video was a lot more than what you saw. They said they had bad news every month of 2015 which was also the year Kinsley was born. There have been more videos which is what many people prior to my post were talking about.
I also have a friend who could not and tried for years. So no I'm not at all saying secondary infertility sufferers can't be upset over their infertility. I've been pregnant a total of 5 times. I've had 3 miscarriages and 2 babies who were born sleeping. I was last pregnant in 2012. And by far this is the longest I've tried and not gotten pregnant. I had a son in 2009 and a daughter in 2011 and those experiences I do not wish on anyone.
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Exactly.Itsmyopinionn83 wrote:IMO they sometimes act as if they are the only ones experiencing infertility and that everything they have done is ten times worse than everyone else. Ive read a few youtube comments that said something similar on the sit down talk vlog. It rubs people the wrong way if youve dealt with infertility is all most are saying.
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They posted a tweet a couple minutes ago saying that there will be a video posted in 4 hours.
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Don’t bother watching it. 18 mins of drivel. No test.
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Good grief. Nobody likes to feel as though YTers are stringing them along, not even fans. There are negative comments on the video, and presumably they aren't all from us, lol. The defenders are trying to pull the "this is their life, they don't have to share any of it with you" - which 100% misses the point. P+A don't want privacy... They want clicks and subs.
I don't get the singing-through-injections thing. Why is this a thing? Truly, does anyone want to see this? I remember the first time she did it, and the compliments on her singing voice (...), but it isn't really all that endearing.
I don't get the singing-through-injections thing. Why is this a thing? Truly, does anyone want to see this? I remember the first time she did it, and the compliments on her singing voice (...), but it isn't really all that endearing.
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They’ve reallllly pissed off their fan base. What a stupid move!
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