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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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gypsophila wrote:I don't think it's being "sensitive to the subject" to say that Lily shows no signs of autism. She really doesn't. It's true that the autism card comes up in virtually every thread where people don't like the mother though. Lily is an easy target, I get that. But she shows more signs of being just perfectly normal. She's sociable, loving, likes being hugged, doesn't try to remove herself from physical contact, she's engaging, happy, active and obedient. Where are the markers for autism spectrum? I don't get why people take joy in hoping something is really wrong with almost every child on here. Then they are the ones to call others "sensitive". No, we are just objective. When you obviously hate the mother, you're not going to be objective about her child or any decisions she makes. I've yet to see one kid on here actually diagnosed with anything that people speculated about. But like I always say, time will tell. It's not something that can be hidden. ;)
I completely agree. She does NOT have Autism. I honestly think her blank stares and short attention span is because of all of the tv and iPad Lily has been exposed it.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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stephh+ wrote:Thank you snow white! I agree, a lot of people here are pretty negative.
Curtain06 wrote:On the whole autism talk I know that most psychologists & specialists are reluctant to even look into a child having the possibility of autism before age 3 as there can be SO many smoke screens and false positives that can be thrown into the mix before that & for a goodly while afterwards.


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Lily is now three, and my aunt noticed my cousin doing things a little differently and his blank stares around two, I don't think that mentioning it to a doctor is a bad thing. Then they can make a plan and determine if she does need a little bit of extra attention when she starts preschool and kindergarten, its never to early to get children the help they need. whether she has a learning disability or not, I am sure lily would benefit from some tutoring and maybe one on one time with a teacher who is trained to help children having a tough time with a subject. Like I said in my post above, I have no doubt that lily is a very smart little girl, and just because she may not be talking a three year level, doesn't mean she is not a bright child, we could all be very wrong and she could just be very shy maybe she just doesn't feel comfortable being on camera all the time. who knows, but I do not think it would be a bad idea for Vanessa to atleast mention it to lily's doctor. Then if he/she feels there could be an issue they could make a plan to help her.
I'm sure like you said with your aunt if the child was showing numerous signs of autism/Aspergers type behaviour then it would be noted but it would be unlikely for them to slap any such diagnosis on Lily tbh. There would have to be numerous signs before they even entertained the idea of testing her for autism properly. That's just the way these things usually work.
I am however the mindset that Lily doesn't show signs of autism but there we go.


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gypsophila wrote:I don't think it's being "sensitive to the subject" to say that Lily shows no signs of autism. She really doesn't. It's true that the autism card comes up in virtually every thread where people don't like the mother though. Lily is an easy target, I get that. But she shows more signs of being just perfectly normal. She's sociable, loving, likes being hugged, doesn't try to remove herself from physical contact, she's engaging, happy, active and obedient. Where are the markers for autism spectrum? I don't get why people take joy in hoping something is really wrong with almost every child on here. Then they are the ones to call others "sensitive". No, we are just objective. When you obviously hate the mother, you're not going to be objective about her child or any decisions she makes. I've yet to see one kid on here actually diagnosed with anything that people speculated about. But like I always say, time will tell. It's not something that can be hidden. ;)
Agreed. I don't think she does either.


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I completely agree. She does NOT have Autism. I honestly think her blank stares and short attention span is because of all of the tv and iPad Lily has been exposed it.
yes! I know it might be hard for her to limit her tv and iPad bc they are home most, if not the entire day but she really should try. At her mom's she INSISTED that lily only watched tv at breakfast time even though the tv was always on. It would be on adult tv shows (adult as in non-kid shows, not meaning inappropriate) or spanish channels and she would constantly get distracted when someone was talking to her or when she would quiz her on her colors/shapes. At least set aside 2 hrs a night where the tv is completely off (even adult shows) and play together, play pretend, do puzzles, have her help with the dishes or dusting idk just turn the tv off.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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gypsophila wrote:I don't think it's being "sensitive to the subject" to say that Lily shows no signs of autism. She really doesn't. It's true that the autism card comes up in virtually every thread where people don't like the mother though. Lily is an easy target, I get that. But she shows more signs of being just perfectly normal. She's sociable, loving, likes being hugged, doesn't try to remove herself from physical contact, she's engaging, happy, active and obedient. Where are the markers for autism spectrum? I don't get why people take joy in hoping something is really wrong with almost every child on here. Then they are the ones to call others "sensitive". No, we are just objective. When you obviously hate the mother, you're not going to be objective about her child or any decisions she makes. I've yet to see one kid on here actually diagnosed with anything that people speculated about. But like I always say, time will tell. It's not something that can be hidden. ;)
Don't you always say we don't see enough of her to say what she has or might have? But yet you must see enough to say " She's sociable, loving, likes being hugged, doesn't try to remove herself from physical contact, she's engaging, happy, active and obedient."
Um okay?
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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Lovemehatemexo wrote:
gypsophila wrote:I don't think it's being "sensitive to the subject" to say that Lily shows no signs of autism. She really doesn't. It's true that the autism card comes up in virtually every thread where people don't like the mother though. Lily is an easy target, I get that. But she shows more signs of being just perfectly normal. She's sociable, loving, likes being hugged, doesn't try to remove herself from physical contact, she's engaging, happy, active and obedient. Where are the markers for autism spectrum? I don't get why people take joy in hoping something is really wrong with almost every child on here. Then they are the ones to call others "sensitive". No, we are just objective. When you obviously hate the mother, you're not going to be objective about her child or any decisions she makes. I've yet to see one kid on here actually diagnosed with anything that people speculated about. But like I always say, time will tell. It's not something that can be hidden. ;)
Don't you always say we don't see enough of her to say what she has or might have? But yet you must see enough to say " She's sociable, loving, likes being hugged, doesn't try to remove herself from physical contact, she's engaging, happy, active and obedient."
Um okay?
These traits can be seen over several videos. And my main point is EXPERTS have observed her. No one here is an expert. The EXPERTS will pick up on cues in one sitting, that's absolutely true. Lily had that observation done recently, and Vanessa is taking her to see another specialist. My point is Vanessa is looking after it, and I don't see the point of getting riled over it one way or the other since Lily IS being checked for everything under the sun. She's had consistent medical care from birth and will continue to have it the rest of her life because Turners brings other health concerns with it. ;)
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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shelbyxo26 wrote:
I completely agree. She does NOT have Autism. I honestly think her blank stares and short attention span is because of all of the tv and iPad Lily has been exposed it.
yes! I know it might be hard for her to limit her tv and iPad bc they are home most, if not the entire day but she really should try. At her mom's she INSISTED that lily only watched tv at breakfast time even though the tv was always on. It would be on adult tv shows (adult as in non-kid shows, not meaning inappropriate) or spanish channels and she would constantly get distracted when someone was talking to her or when she would quiz her on her colors/shapes. At least set aside 2 hrs a night where the tv is completely off (even adult shows) and play together, play pretend, do puzzles, have her help with the dishes or dusting idk just turn the tv off.
Yes! Thank you! I've literally been saying this forever (whether thinking it or actually typing it out) To me, Lily shows no signs of any of that. In fact Lily actually tries very hard to talk and to form sentences, it's not like she's completely clueless and has no idea what's going on. I think her speech delay is not only related to her paralyzed vocal cord (which Vanessa has mentioned several times) but because of her TV and iPad time. Even if the tv is on for "background nose" Lily is still a child and watch it no matter what is on. If you watch the videos regularly Lily talks and sings all of time, in my experience with Autism he cried and screeched all of time and some of the characteristic he had, Lily does not have. I think just some work and less tv/ipad, also it would really help if when Vanessa is talking to Lily she talks a little bit slower and more clear, not so "aren't you a cute baby" voice.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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As a mother with a child who possibly has autstim, Lily does not show any signs...my son is 29 months old and barely has any words :( maybe 10 and it's super frustrating because I do try and work with him.

Lily is very bright and her speech is pretty decent in my opinion, V should work with her more though.

& they will test before 3 my son goes April 21st.
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VOTE FOR V YOU GUYS!!!!!




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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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Lovemehatemexo wrote:
gypsophila wrote:I don't think it's being "sensitive to the subject" to say that Lily shows no signs of autism. She really doesn't. It's true that the autism card comes up in virtually every thread where people don't like the mother though. Lily is an easy target, I get that. But she shows more signs of being just perfectly normal. She's sociable, loving, likes being hugged, doesn't try to remove herself from physical contact, she's engaging, happy, active and obedient. Where are the markers for autism spectrum? I don't get why people take joy in hoping something is really wrong with almost every child on here. Then they are the ones to call others "sensitive". No, we are just objective. When you obviously hate the mother, you're not going to be objective about her child or any decisions she makes. I've yet to see one kid on here actually diagnosed with anything that people speculated about. But like I always say, time will tell. It's not something that can be hidden. ;)
Don't you always say we don't see enough of her to say what she has or might have? But yet you must see enough to say " She's sociable, loving, likes being hugged, doesn't try to remove herself from physical contact, she's engaging, happy, active and obedient."
Um okay?
To say she's delayed in areas you don't see enough of is fair. Autistic features would become more and more apparent as time went on and would be observed through videos. Not only that there would likely be more than a supposed vacant stare to go on. The fact you see her display behaviours that are totally against symptoms of autism in a 10 minute video should tell you a lot.
I should note, I don't have any personal experience I just have a masters in psychology where I've studied the autistic spectrum and similar disorders briefly.


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gypsophila wrote:
Lovemehatemexo wrote:
gypsophila wrote:I don't think it's being "sensitive to the subject" to say that Lily shows no signs of autism. She really doesn't. It's true that the autism card comes up in virtually every thread where people don't like the mother though. Lily is an easy target, I get that. But she shows more signs of being just perfectly normal. She's sociable, loving, likes being hugged, doesn't try to remove herself from physical contact, she's engaging, happy, active and obedient. Where are the markers for autism spectrum? I don't get why people take joy in hoping something is really wrong with almost every child on here. Then they are the ones to call others "sensitive". No, we are just objective. When you obviously hate the mother, you're not going to be objective about her child or any decisions she makes. I've yet to see one kid on here actually diagnosed with anything that people speculated about. But like I always say, time will tell. It's not something that can be hidden. ;)
Don't you always say we don't see enough of her to say what she has or might have? But yet you must see enough to say " She's sociable, loving, likes being hugged, doesn't try to remove herself from physical contact, she's engaging, happy, active and obedient."
Um okay?
These traits can be seen over several videos. And my main point is EXPERTS have observed her. No one here is an expert. The EXPERTS will pick up on cues in one sitting, that's absolutely true. Lily had that observation done recently, and Vanessa is taking her to see another specialist. My point is Vanessa is looking after it, and I don't see the point of getting riled over it one way or the other since Lily IS being checked for everything under the sun. She's had consistent medical care from birth and will continue to have it the rest of her life because Turners brings other health concerns with it. ;)
And so can other traits.
Nobody is claiming to be an expert. But your saying she shows no signs of autism. Are you an expert?
You are contradicting yourself. I'm just saying. I don't think she has autism either.
Nobody is going to diagnosis a 3 yr old yet anyways.
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It dives me nuts when Vanessa places the camera down and nonchalantly walks past it like she did in target. That must look so weird to the other people there haha.
Awkward Vanessa.
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2011Teenagemom Part 18

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V if you are reading this, you need to look the public schools up, look at their report card online, north Carolina's board of education website might offer some info about test scores. There is absolutely nothing wrong with public schools, if they are good public schools personally I would rather live in an area with good public schools than have to pay for private schools


PS if you see this V, feel free to PM me and I can do the research on the schools for you, next year I will be a licensed special education teacher and I have had to do things like thus for projects

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Autism is very diverse. It has a very large spectrum.

Symptoms of Asperger's:

1. Failure to develop friendships.
2. Selective Mutism (this occurs when a child and only speak freely with people they are comfortable with)
3. Inability to empathize (there are articles outlining this trait is similar in girls with Turner syndrome)
4.unable to make eye contact or forcing eye contact.
5. Social awkwardness
6. narrowed interests (frozen?)
7. Sticking to a routine
8. Literal interpretations
9. Excellent pattern recognition (shapes video?)
10. Poor motor skills (both gross and fine)

Let me be very clear, I am not diagnosing Lily with anything!! I am simply pointing out, based on what we have seen in Vanessa's videos it's worth looking into.

Further more lily's SPECIALIST'S do not see her interacting with other adults or children. 10 mins in a doctors office while he/she checks either Lilys heart, ears or throat, does not mean anything in my opinion when it comes to her mental, or social development!
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1) speech delay
2) poor social skills (not interested in other children or people)
3) the blank stare, as if they are in their own world
4) echolalia, repeating words or phrases back

Some signs, since some people were practically begging for them. I don't know if she has autism, and I don't really care either way. I think Vanessa has it hard enough already with Lily to be honest.
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Lovemehatemexo wrote:
And so can other traits.
Nobody is claiming to be an expert. But your saying she shows no signs of autism. Are you an expert?
You are contradicting yourself. I'm just saying. I don't think she has autism either.
Nobody is going to diagnosis a 3 yr old yet anyways.
I live with an expert. I asked her to look at videos. ;) Even so, I would trust VANESSA and her own DOCTORS more than anything anyone says on the internet. And really, no one should take anyone's opinion as fact. Logic however, really can't be argued. Diagnosis of autism happens before 3 years old. Signs can show up quite early. By 3 they are confirmed. If you don't think she has autism why are you arguing for it?
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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Whoops, a list was already posted. But, as for the shapes thing, I think that honestly is just Vanessa pushing her to parrot everything she says. Everyone wants their kid to be special, but let's face it, Lily is not in that way.. When Vanessa said, "Oh Lily can count to 10" Or whatever number.. She could barely count to two.... Vanessa had to actually help her count to two.
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gypsophila wrote:
Lovemehatemexo wrote:
And so can other traits.
Nobody is claiming to be an expert. But your saying she shows no signs of autism. Are you an expert?
You are contradicting yourself. I'm just saying. I don't think she has autism either.
Nobody is going to diagnosis a 3 yr old yet anyways.
I live with an expert. I asked her to look at videos. ;) Even so, I would trust VANESSA and her own DOCTORS more than anything anyone says on the internet. And really, no one should take anyone's opinion as fact. Logic however, really can't be argued. Diagnosis of autism happens before 3 years old. Signs can show up quite early. By 3 they are confirmed. If you don't think she has autism why are you arguing for it?
There is no RULE saying autism must be diagnosed by 3. There is a boy in my daughters class who was just diagnosed at 8. Again, the spectrum is large. Usually severe cases are diagnosed early, less severe cases can be missed in those 10 minutes with a Pediatrician... :?
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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Rather than an uneducated viewpoint, at least watch the video. :



Taking things about Lily and trying to fit them into symptoms of a disorder you don't truly know about is pointless. Watching Frozen repeatedly is not a sign of autism. LMAO.
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Cough wrote:1) speech delay
2) poor social skills (not interested in other children or people)
3) the blank stare, as if they are in their own world
4) echolalia, repeating words or phrases back

Some signs, since some people were practically begging for them. I don't know if she has autism, and I don't really care either way. I think Vanessa has it hard enough already with Lily to be honest.

I agree. I would never wish hardship on a child. However I feel like it's something Vanessa should keep in mind, rule out if she can.
And can people PLEASE stop acting like autism is death sentence?! Jesus Christ, you're all hypocrites in the way you freak out over the mention of autism. May your life be free of any autism, as I fear if you are half as hateful in real life as you are on this board, you would cause a child a great deal of heartbreak!

Some of you climb on that soap box and preach about the monsters saying Lily isn't cute, well look in the mirror! You are worse for your views on autism!
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