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2011Teenagemom Part 18

Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Cough » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:19 pm

Whoops, a list was already posted. But, as for the shapes thing, I think that honestly is just Vanessa pushing her to parrot everything she says. Everyone wants their kid to be special, but let's face it, Lily is not in that way.. When Vanessa said, "Oh Lily can count to 10" Or whatever number.. She could barely count to two.... Vanessa had to actually help her count to two.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Snow White » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:20 pm

gypsophila wrote:
Lovemehatemexo wrote:
And so can other traits.
Nobody is claiming to be an expert. But your saying she shows no signs of autism. Are you an expert?
You are contradicting yourself. I'm just saying. I don't think she has autism either.
Nobody is going to diagnosis a 3 yr old yet anyways.


I live with an expert. I asked her to look at videos. ;) Even so, I would trust VANESSA and her own DOCTORS more than anything anyone says on the internet. And really, no one should take anyone's opinion as fact. Logic however, really can't be argued. Diagnosis of autism happens before 3 years old. Signs can show up quite early. By 3 they are confirmed. If you don't think she has autism why are you arguing for it?


There is no RULE saying autism must be diagnosed by 3. There is a boy in my daughters class who was just diagnosed at 8. Again, the spectrum is large. Usually severe cases are diagnosed early, less severe cases can be missed in those 10 minutes with a Pediatrician... :?
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby gypsophila » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:22 pm

Rather than an uneducated viewpoint, at least watch the video. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbXjW-cX9kQ

Taking things about Lily and trying to fit them into symptoms of a disorder you don't truly know about is pointless. Watching Frozen repeatedly is not a sign of autism. LMAO.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Snow White » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:27 pm

Cough wrote:1) speech delay
2) poor social skills (not interested in other children or people)
3) the blank stare, as if they are in their own world
4) echolalia, repeating words or phrases back

Some signs, since some people were practically begging for them. I don't know if she has autism, and I don't really care either way. I think Vanessa has it hard enough already with Lily to be honest.



I agree. I would never wish hardship on a child. However I feel like it's something Vanessa should keep in mind, rule out if she can.
And can people PLEASE stop acting like autism is death sentence?! Jesus Christ, you're all hypocrites in the way you freak out over the mention of autism. May your life be free of any autism, as I fear if you are half as hateful in real life as you are on this board, you would cause a child a great deal of heartbreak!

Some of you climb on that soap box and preach about the monsters saying Lily isn't cute, well look in the mirror! You are worse for your views on autism!
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Snow White » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:29 pm

gypsophila wrote:Rather than an uneducated viewpoint, at least watch the video. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbXjW-cX9kQ

Taking things about Lily and trying to fit them into symptoms of a disorder you don't truly know about is pointless. Watching Frozen repeatedly is not a sign of autism. LMAO.


Professing to know everything about a child you watch on YT for 10 mins a day makes you a Expert on all things lily, got it!
I won't waste time with you video. I'm sure we can ALL find a YT video to "prove" we know best ;)
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Cough » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:31 pm

gypsophila wrote:Rather than an uneducated viewpoint, at least watch the video. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbXjW-cX9kQ

Taking things about Lily and trying to fit them into symptoms of a disorder you don't truly know about is pointless. Watching Frozen repeatedly is not a sign of autism. LMAO.


Lol. You act like everyone here has never heard of autism. Stop acting all high and mighty. Damn.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby msliss » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:32 pm

gypsophila wrote:
Lovemehatemexo wrote:
And so can other traits.
Nobody is claiming to be an expert. But your saying she shows no signs of autism. Are you an expert?
You are contradicting yourself. I'm just saying. I don't think she has autism either.
Nobody is going to diagnosis a 3 yr old yet anyways.


I live with an expert. I asked her to look at videos. ;) Even so, I would trust VANESSA and her own DOCTORS more than anything anyone says on the internet. And really, no one should take anyone's opinion as fact. Logic however, really can't be argued. Diagnosis of autism happens before 3 years old. Signs can show up quite early. By 3 they are confirmed. If you don't think she has autism why are you arguing for it?


I agree the Developmental pediatrician and early intervention we are working with say 1/2-3 is a really good age to get evaluated.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Cough » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:36 pm

Snow White wrote:
Cough wrote:1) speech delay
2) poor social skills (not interested in other children or people)
3) the blank stare, as if they are in their own world
4) echolalia, repeating words or phrases back

Some signs, since some people were practically begging for them. I don't know if she has autism, and I don't really care either way. I think Vanessa has it hard enough already with Lily to be honest.



I agree. I would never wish hardship on a child. However I feel like it's something Vanessa should keep in mind, rule out if she can.
And can people PLEASE stop acting like autism is death sentence?! Jesus Christ, you're all hypocrites in the way you freak out over the mention of autism. May your life be free of any autism, as I fear if you are half as hateful in real life as you are on this board, you would cause a child a great deal of heartbreak!

Some of you climb on that soap box and preach about the monsters saying Lily isn't cute, well look in the mirror! You are worse for your views on autism!


My son has autism. In a way, it can be a death sentence if it is severe. You are talking about kids who will never have jobs, get married, have children of their own, let alone talk by themselves. (If that was even directed towards me). I don't know who is talking to who on this anymore.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Lovemehatemexo » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:37 pm

gypsophila wrote:
Lovemehatemexo wrote:
And so can other traits.
Nobody is claiming to be an expert. But your saying she shows no signs of autism. Are you an expert?
You are contradicting yourself. I'm just saying. I don't think she has autism either.
Nobody is going to diagnosis a 3 yr old yet anyways.


I live with an expert. I asked her to look at videos. ;) Even so, I would trust VANESSA and her own DOCTORS more than anything anyone says on the internet. And really, no one should take anyone's opinion as fact. Logic however, really can't be argued. Diagnosis of autism happens before 3 years old. Signs can show up quite early. By 3 they are confirmed. If you don't think she has autism why are you arguing for it?


Well I didn't know you were discussing it with a expert. (Maybe I missed that post). Remember expert opinions can also vary. I've been to certain doctors that say one thing & another that say the opposite.

The only reason I said something is because I thought you were contradicting yourself.

I'm not arguing for it. Read my posts. However I can see why they think she may be. However those things could be a ton of other things. I guess you can say I'm open to the idea.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Snow White » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:42 pm

Cough wrote:
Snow White wrote:
Cough wrote:1) speech delay
2) poor social skills (not interested in other children or people)
3) the blank stare, as if they are in their own world
4) echolalia, repeating words or phrases back

Some signs, since some people were practically begging for them. I don't know if she has autism, and I don't really care either way. I think Vanessa has it hard enough already with Lily to be honest.



I agree. I would never wish hardship on a child. However I feel like it's something Vanessa should keep in mind, rule out if she can.
And can people PLEASE stop acting like autism is death sentence?! Jesus Christ, you're all hypocrites in the way you freak out over the mention of autism. May your life be free of any autism, as I fear if you are half as hateful in real life as you are on this board, you would cause a child a great deal of heartbreak!

Some of you climb on that soap box and preach about the monsters saying Lily isn't cute, well look in the mirror! You are worse for your views on autism!


My son has autism. In a way, it can be a death sentence if it is severe. You are talking about kids who will never have jobs, get married, have children of their own, let talk by themselves. (If that was even directed towards me). I don't know who is talking to who on this anymore.


I was not talking to you Cough, I am very sorry if he has severe Autism. I've seen how that can break a mother's heart. I do understand what you've said above. In severe cases, yes, it does mean a life of hardships. A friends son is severely Autistic and since his diagnosis, her life has become planning for her own death (Meaning getting everything in order for her son as he will always need care)
However not all cases are that severe. Much like Turner's, Down Syndrome and Autism some people are able to lead normal or semi normal lives. With little or in some cases no assistance.

Much Love Cough. :love2:
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Lovehound11 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:42 pm

Snow White wrote:
Cough wrote:1) speech delay
2) poor social skills (not interested in other children or people)
3) the blank stare, as if they are in their own world
4) echolalia, repeating words or phrases back

Some signs, since some people were practically begging for them. I don't know if she has autism, and I don't really care either way. I think Vanessa has it hard enough already with Lily to be honest.



I agree. I would never wish hardship on a child. However I feel like it's something Vanessa should keep in mind, rule out if she can.
And can people PLEASE stop acting like autism is death sentence?! Jesus Christ, you're all hypocrites in the way you freak out over the mention of autism. May your life be free of any autism, as I fear if you are half as hateful in real life as you are on this board, you would cause a child a great deal of heartbreak!

Some of you climb on that soap box and preach about the monsters saying Lily isn't cute, well look in the mirror! You are worse for your views on autism!


Can I give you a big virtual hug?!? Autism is not the end of the world, my students with autism were the lights of my life, the most precious little kids ever. They brought me so much joy! I'm sure all of you would not appreciate people you don't know diagnosing your children with Austin via the internet. I do not think Lily has autism but if she did then so be it. Some of the worlds most intelligent people dead and alive have it. #disABILITIES


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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby gypsophila » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:47 pm

Snow White wrote:
gypsophila wrote:Rather than an uneducated viewpoint, at least watch the video. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbXjW-cX9kQ

Taking things about Lily and trying to fit them into symptoms of a disorder you don't truly know about is pointless. Watching Frozen repeatedly is not a sign of autism. LMAO.


Professing to know everything about a child you watch on YT for 10 mins a day makes you a Expert on all things lily, got it!
I won't waste time with you video. I'm sure we can ALL find a YT video to "prove" we know best ;)


I never professed to be an expert. Whatever. Obviously you didn't want to watch the video which WAS an expert view and corroborated things I said over things you said. I don't believe for a minute that people on here advocating for Lily having autism are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, when they know full well that she is well taken care of and has many doctors in her life.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Cough » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:57 pm

Snow White wrote:
Cough wrote:
Snow White wrote:

I agree. I would never wish hardship on a child. However I feel like it's something Vanessa should keep in mind, rule out if she can.
And can people PLEASE stop acting like autism is death sentence?! Jesus Christ, you're all hypocrites in the way you freak out over the mention of autism. May your life be free of any autism, as I fear if you are half as hateful in real life as you are on this board, you would cause a child a great deal of heartbreak!

Some of you climb on that soap box and preach about the monsters saying Lily isn't cute, well look in the mirror! You are worse for your views on autism!


My son has autism. In a way, it can be a death sentence if it is severe. You are talking about kids who will never have jobs, get married, have children of their own, let talk by themselves. (If that was even directed towards me). I don't know who is talking to who on this anymore.


I was not talking to you Cough, I am very sorry if he has severe Autism. I've seen how that can break a mother's heart. I do understand what you've said above. In severe cases, yes, it does mean a life of hardships. A friends son is severely Autistic and since his diagnosis, her life has become planning for her own death (Meaning getting everything in order for her son as he will always need care)
However not all cases are that severe. Much like Turner's, Down Syndrome and Autism some people are able to lead normal or semi normal lives. With little or in some cases no assistance.

Much Love Cough. :love2:


Thank you, but fortunately my son does not have it as severe as others. Some of his old classmates are low functioning and it is heart breaking to see the parents and kids struggle. If Lily does have it, I think she would be high functioning. I do see some signs in her though.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Lovehound11 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:29 pm

Cough wrote:
Snow White wrote:
Cough wrote:[quote="Snow White"]


I agree. I would never wish hardship on a child. However I feel like it's something Vanessa should keep in mind, rule out if she can.
And can people PLEASE stop acting like autism is death sentence?! Jesus Christ, you're all hypocrites in the way you freak out over the mention of autism. May your life be free of any autism, as I fear if you are half as hateful in real life as you are on this board, you would cause a child a great deal of heartbreak!

Some of you climb on that soap box and preach about the monsters saying Lily isn't cute, well look in the mirror! You are worse for your views on autism!


My son has autism. In a way, it can be a death sentence if it is severe. You are talking about kids who will never have jobs, get married, have children of their own, let talk by themselves. (If that was even directed towards me). I don't know who is talking to who on this anymore.


I was not talking to you Cough, I am very sorry if he has severe Autism. I've seen how that can break a mother's heart. I do understand what you've said above. In severe cases, yes, it does mean a life of hardships. A friends son is severely Autistic and since his diagnosis, her life has become planning for her own death (Meaning getting everything in order for her son as he will always need care)
However not all cases are that severe. Much like Turner's, Down Syndrome and Autism some people are able to lead normal or semi normal lives. With little or in some cases no assistance.

Much Love Cough. :love2:


Thank you, but fortunately my son does not have it as severe as others. Some of his old classmates are low functioning and it is heart breaking to see the parents and kids struggle. If Lily does have it, I think she would be high functioning. I do see some signs in her though.[/quote]

I bet your son is an amazing kid Cough!! I see what you are saying, not sure if I can post it or not but everyone go google "welcome to holland" by Emily Perl Kingsley, it gives a great perspective to people who do not understand what it is like to have a child with a disability. No one dreams of their child having a disability, it can be a rough journey but those kids make it so worth it!


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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby pitbulllove » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:13 pm

Sorry who's acting like Autism is a death sentence? I must have missed that. All I've seen is people discussing the traits of it. & Pointing out connections in Lily's behavior.
I think its a bit perplexing as to how Autism is linked to Lily's behavior to begin with, when basically every single thing she does can be linked to a million other things (including normal things) before Autism.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Fairplay » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:22 pm

^^ Childrens brains are very plastic. They can outgrow and mould themselves to great individuals IF they have a great environment and live with parents who continuously stimulate and read to them. My daughter endured a grade 4 brain hemmorage when she was born and we were told that she would be wheelchair bound and wont be able to eat, etc. I freaked out and tried to have a routine with constant, positive stimulation. She is now doing so well. She's biracial and can understand both mine and her dads language.

I honestly dont think Lily has Autism. My friend's son has autism shortly before turning 4 because he couldn't talk and he would be intrigued by odd things like for example, if something was hanging off the door knob, he would stare at it and constantly fiddle with it. He's also a clean freak and stresses out of things arent in order.

I personally think Vanessa should stop making the TV a babysitter and be more active with her child considering she's always home.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Cough » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:27 pm

Lovehound11 wrote:
I bet your son is an amazing kid Cough!! I see what you are saying, not sure if I can post it or not but everyone go google "welcome to holland" by Emily Perl Kingsley, it gives a great perspective to people who do not understand what it is like to have a child with a disability. No one dreams of their child having a disability, it can be a rough journey but those kids make it so worth it!


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Thank you for sharing that poem! I stumbled across it a few months ago and it is so true.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby AnonymousSource » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:48 pm

Ladies, ladies! Hear, hear. Last I knew, not a single one of us is a doctor qualified to decide whether or not Lily has autism AND if one of us WERE a doctor qualified to make that decision, NONE of us have actually seen Lily in person or interacted with her one-on-one.

It's okay to say things like you don't think Lily is a cute toddler. It's okay to compare your child's development to Lily's. It's okay to even speculate to yourself if you think Lily has something serious... but to actually write it out on this forum and diagnose a toddler with a serious condition... please, oh please, be mature enough not to do that. People on mental health blogs don't even try to diagnose each other.

The pages of arguing over if Lily has autism or not from people who aren't even doctors and have never met Lily are ridiculous. Please try to have some class. Switch the topic to something more appropriate, please.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby HowBoutThatSchnizel » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:42 pm

Omg that song on her IG , my poor eardrums
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby nobettsaboutit » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:46 pm

Yes! And how her eyes got huge everytime she sang a higher note. Please stop.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby 09love » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:51 pm

Omg im dying!
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby thenightowl » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:53 pm

Ugh I can't stand listening to Vanessa sing but it's even worse to watch her lol, her eyes go all crazy, she isn't the worse singer ever but isn't the best either.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby HowBoutThatSchnizel » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:53 pm

They are crazy eyes hahahaha
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby things2say » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:53 pm

09love wrote:Omg im dying!


LOL, whoever said she looks possessed, I see it and am disturbed..what an odd pic to post, imagine sitting there with your mouth open pretending to sing while trying to take a decent looking selfie
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

Postby Lovemehatemexo » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:13 pm

I kinda get pissed when youtubers ask for votes on contests against your everyday person. It's kinda not fair if you ask me. But whatever.

As for her singing video...she's not a bad singer. But her singing videos or in videos gets old. She does it for show.
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