Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
Something didn't work. Here it is. Not trying to judge her. She's a little kid. Maybe they are working with her.
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I agree lmmom. She definitely should've been able to read it. But it was still dark in the room when she tried to read it and it was right when she woke up. Like I said, I can't read anything on my phone in the morning because I will just make words up. If we see it continue and it's a consistent problem, then there's definitely an issue.
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That writing looks similar to Disney font to me and my son would get mixed up on those letters until just this last year. Would he have been able to recognize the first few letters and not get it confused with Happy Birthday? Maybe, maybe not. All I know is that he could read Huck Finn, but he couldn't read my chicken scratch shopping listGreys Encyclopedia wrote:I agree lmmom. She definitely should've been able to read it. But it was still dark in the room when she tried to read it and it was right when she woke up. Like I said, I can't read anything on my phone in the morning because I will just make words up. If we see it continue and it's a consistent problem, then there's definitely an issue.
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Could Bonnie be doing more? Absolutely! My point is that Utah is different than the rest of the country. Most kids aren't learning these things in daycare it preschool. Even Kindergarten isn't mandatory! It's just a different system. Is that a bit unfortunate, of course, but I doubt the people of UT see it that way.
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I live in Utah and kindergarten is absolutely mandatory. Kids also need to know more than 10 letters. Granted my kids go to a different school district than the Hoellien kids but I don't think the requirements are that different.
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Could Bonnie be doing more? Absolutely! My point is that Utah is different than the rest of the country. Most kids aren't learning these things in daycare it preschool. Even Kindergarten isn't mandatory! It's just a different system. Is that a bit unfortunate, of course, but I doubt the people of UT see it that way.
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I live in Utah and kindergarten is absolutely mandatory. Kids also need to know more than 10 letters. Granted my kids go to a different school district than the Hoellien kids but I don't think the requirements are that different.
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I don't know what it is like in your district, but the information I posted earlier regarding K readiness came from the Utah State Board of Education website.Green Jello wrote:
I live in Utah and kindergarten is absolutely mandatory. Kids also need to know more than 10 letters. Granted my kids go to a different school district than the Hoellien kids but I don't think the requirements are that different.
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As for it being mandatory, I read that it is not required BY LAW and but that all children are required to be enrolled by age 7. The below article references 2015, so if things have changed, it's very recently.
https://enlightenme.com/kindergarten-re ... tate-utah/
Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
Utah has some of the best public schools in the US. I don't think it's a problem with education, Mormons place a heavy value on it. Bonnie is just lazy and doesn't bother to teach her kids anything before school. That's all there is to it.
Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
Well, clearly you're delayed, Grey, because you mother ignored you all summer and didn't sing you the alphabet enough.Greys Encyclopedia wrote:I agree lmmom. She definitely should've been able to read it. But it was still dark in the room when she tried to read it and it was right when she woke up. Like I said, I can't read anything on my phone in the morning because I will just make words up. If we see it continue and it's a consistent problem, then there's definitely an issue.
Personally I think this whole debate is a little ridiculous. But then my views on what young children should be learning is clearly different than most of you. Congrats to all you that learned to read super early/taught your children to read super early.
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Dammit! I knew there was something deeper wrong with me.
Like some have said before, those kids play outside all the time and help Joel and Bonnie with stuff. They're learning more than what you learn in school.
Like some have said before, those kids play outside all the time and help Joel and Bonnie with stuff. They're learning more than what you learn in school.
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i don't think any of bonnie's kids are delayed, they all seem quite bright. some kids are more academically inclined than others, and others respond better to hands on tasks. i've long suspected cody will take after joel and be a hands on kinda guy. i do hope that if any of the kids were to struggle they would get a tutor or something.
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I just don't think there should be this refusal to talk about this topic because if this was the case for any other vloggers' 5 year old, it would be a huge problem. I get y'all like her more than others. But jeez the excuses being made are so bull
Just the opinion of an internet stranger. Don't take anything personally, for your own sake as well as mine.
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Okay but here's the thing. Bonnie's kids aren't sent to go sit in a room all day to watch TV or just dismissed 24/7. When they watch TV, it's family time or she's trying to get something done or nap. Bonnie didn't try to hide it or make it look like Cody did know them. She didn't make exuses. Now, we've heard everyone's personal stories and it's been repeated for a few days now. I'd be getting irritated if it was any other board too if this topic was the only thing being discussed. There hasn't been a refusal to talk about it. Go read the last several pages, all its been is talk about this.Deadhead_kay wrote:I just don't think there should be this refusal to talk about this topic because if this was the case for any other vloggers' 5 year old, it would be a huge problem. I get y'all like her more than others. But jeez the excuses being made are so bull
I don't see exuses. I see facts and I see reasons as to why some of these things being discussed happened. I'm not dismissing it. I'm thinking of logical reasons based on personal reasons (Olivia's reading/writing). I'm tired of seeing this discussion just like I'm tired of seeing the same shit on Jess, DB and EJ board.
Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
Well, what else is there to discuss at the moment?
The Joel-quitting-his-job speculation discussion was pretty boring and repetitive too but, if true, would alter the dynamic that made Bonnie & family so likable and relatable.
I don't think Bonnie is a bad mom for being lazy. I'm pretty lazy sometimes too but I still love my kids.
The posts are interesting to me. It seems like some parents get enjoyment from teaching their children and some parents expect public school teachers to pick up the slack. I guess either is okay if you love your kids and are meeting your children's basic custodial needs.
The Joel-quitting-his-job speculation discussion was pretty boring and repetitive too but, if true, would alter the dynamic that made Bonnie & family so likable and relatable.
I don't think Bonnie is a bad mom for being lazy. I'm pretty lazy sometimes too but I still love my kids.
The posts are interesting to me. It seems like some parents get enjoyment from teaching their children and some parents expect public school teachers to pick up the slack. I guess either is okay if you love your kids and are meeting your children's basic custodial needs.
Re: Bonnie and Joel: Don't Call Me Bud - Part 5
ALL of the posters on this thread are intelligent and all opinions are valid. It is the few posters who use sarcasm to negate other posters' opinions that derail the thread and make the topic tedious.
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My whole family had been in the gifted program for two generations and then my own little Cody came along. He was the sweetest boy with big old "Precious Moments" eyes and he just focused on sports and didn't care much about reading and stuff. His kindergarten teacher was a family friend and she leaned in and whispered to me at his conference, "You know he's not gifted, right?" Of course. It never mattered. He learned to read just fine and he grew up to be the sweetest husband and best dad and... yes, actually the biggest earner of all of my kids. He still couldn't care less about reading anything more than the sports page. I bought his little boy a alphabet game when he was 9 months old. I mean... it can't hurt, right?
I think Bonnie has been a bit lazy with teaching Cody but that's what she was saying in her video. "Ooops. Skipped a few steps with this one." With the potty training... I had one who announced at 2 and a half that he wanted to wear underwear and that was it. The next one was a little later and a little harder. The last one, I was SURE was going to kindergarten in pullups. (he didn't).
I think Bonnie has been a bit lazy with teaching Cody but that's what she was saying in her video. "Ooops. Skipped a few steps with this one." With the potty training... I had one who announced at 2 and a half that he wanted to wear underwear and that was it. The next one was a little later and a little harder. The last one, I was SURE was going to kindergarten in pullups. (he didn't).
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Looking at that, Cody seems to do all the requirements except the letters and numbers.HelloSweetie wrote:I don't know what it is like in your district, but the information I posted earlier regarding K readiness came from the Utah State Board of Education website.Green Jello wrote:
I live in Utah and kindergarten is absolutely mandatory. Kids also need to know more than 10 letters. Granted my kids go to a different school district than the Hoellien kids but I don't think the requirements are that different.
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As for it being mandatory, I read that it is not required BY LAW and but that all children are required to be enrolled by age 7. The below article references 2015, so if things have changed, it's very recently.
https://enlightenme.com/kindergarten-re ... tate-utah/
Im sure he will be fine, could Bonnie have done a bit more with him? Sure, but she knows this and probably will now.
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I'm studying to be a teacher (although in NZ not in the US) and they were VERY against sight words for learning reading and spelling. All about teaching strategies now that allow the kids to sound words out, compare them to other words they know, etc.HelloSweetie wrote:About the coin. I don't remember, did we see the writing? My son could read printed text very early, but he couldn't read any cursive or fancy fonts until just recently (grade 3). Even messy printing would throw him. They also taught sight words to the kids for reading, and the only reason my son picked it up faster was because I taught him to sound words out. It sounds like many of you are doing that. I wouldn't be surprised if Olivia is learning to memorize sight words first at her school. If so, I can easily see how she could be "meeting expectations" but unable to recognize "Tooth Fairy Coin." That's why I'm 100% against sight reading, but then again, I'm not a teacher.
I agree Bonnie could be working with them more, I just think there's a lot of comparison going on with schools and expectations in this thread and we have to remember that UT is where they live and that's their normal.
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I'm in Canada, so I don't know how they do it in the US. It's possible they don't teach sight words, it was just a suggestion.tgo93 wrote:I'm studying to be a teacher (although in NZ not in the US) and they were VERY against sight words for learning reading and spelling. All about teaching strategies now that allow the kids to sound words out, compare them to other words they know, etc.HelloSweetie wrote:About the coin. I don't remember, did we see the writing? My son could read printed text very early, but he couldn't read any cursive or fancy fonts until just recently (grade 3). Even messy printing would throw him. They also taught sight words to the kids for reading, and the only reason my son picked it up faster was because I taught him to sound words out. It sounds like many of you are doing that. I wouldn't be surprised if Olivia is learning to memorize sight words first at her school. If so, I can easily see how she could be "meeting expectations" but unable to recognize "Tooth Fairy Coin." That's why I'm 100% against sight reading, but then again, I'm not a teacher.
I agree Bonnie could be working with them more, I just think there's a lot of comparison going on with schools and expectations in this thread and we have to remember that UT is where they live and that's their normal.
I'm glad they are no longer using that method in NZ. Although I don't know the theory behind it, it just didn't seem like the right way to go with my son, and although I ordinarily wouldn't undermine his teacher, with that I just couldn't help but intervene. I'll be teaching my younger son to sound words out as well.
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I haven't watched any of the recent vlogs, so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned. I saw the picture of the shelves in the cold cellar, I saw that they had a company name on them. We're they a sponsorship? I have no problem if they were cause it's something useful for Bonnie and Joel, just curious about if it was a brand deal/sponsorship.
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Im in NZ, my kids are year one and two and were taught at their current school with sight words, but it will be interesting to see how it changes by the time my last two go in a few yearstgo93 wrote:I'm studying to be a teacher (although in NZ not in the US) and they were VERY against sight words for learning reading and spelling. All about teaching strategies now that allow the kids to sound words out, compare them to other words they know, etc.HelloSweetie wrote:About the coin. I don't remember, did we see the writing? My son could read printed text very early, but he couldn't read any cursive or fancy fonts until just recently (grade 3). Even messy printing would throw him. They also taught sight words to the kids for reading, and the only reason my son picked it up faster was because I taught him to sound words out. It sounds like many of you are doing that. I wouldn't be surprised if Olivia is learning to memorize sight words first at her school. If so, I can easily see how she could be "meeting expectations" but unable to recognize "Tooth Fairy Coin." That's why I'm 100% against sight reading, but then again, I'm not a teacher.
I agree Bonnie could be working with them more, I just think there's a lot of comparison going on with schools and expectations in this thread and we have to remember that UT is where they live and that's their normal.
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