Bonnie and Joel: This Old House - Part 6
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I had really mixed feelings watching the kids play outside in the dirt. I used to LOVE this about Bonnie, that she would round up the kids and take them outside and expect them to amuse themselves, without providing specific activities or amusements or toys for them. I feel like a lot of modern children would be baffled if you just sent them out to play in the backyard without giving them toys or a game to play, because they are used to being handled very differently and supervised on such a micro-level that a caregiver doubles as a playmate and an entertainer. I think there are valuable life skills to be learned this way and always applauded Bonnie for it.
I don't know if it's just that Ellie's presence ruins everything, or what, but I am kind of bothered by the scene. We saw the blankets inside, where the kids had been sitting during the hours-long General Conference. Then they're herded outside, presumably so that they don't make a mess in the house. Poor Kate was definitely not dressed for playing in the mud. I cringed as she picked up a bit of it. Why not set the camera down and roll up her sleeves? Or better yet, change her into a spare tee shirt? And what was the comment about filming to prove they were taking good care of Beau's kids? (If I were Beau, I'd have my doubts too, especially about Ellie)
I don't even know exactly what I'm trying to say! I'm not against playing outside or getting dirty. I used to send my siblings outside regularly. It's good for them. But it seems like in this family, everything that happens is either for Mom's convenience, or vlog footage. Bah humbug. Olivia's village was sweet, though.
I don't know if it's just that Ellie's presence ruins everything, or what, but I am kind of bothered by the scene. We saw the blankets inside, where the kids had been sitting during the hours-long General Conference. Then they're herded outside, presumably so that they don't make a mess in the house. Poor Kate was definitely not dressed for playing in the mud. I cringed as she picked up a bit of it. Why not set the camera down and roll up her sleeves? Or better yet, change her into a spare tee shirt? And what was the comment about filming to prove they were taking good care of Beau's kids? (If I were Beau, I'd have my doubts too, especially about Ellie)
I don't even know exactly what I'm trying to say! I'm not against playing outside or getting dirty. I used to send my siblings outside regularly. It's good for them. But it seems like in this family, everything that happens is either for Mom's convenience, or vlog footage. Bah humbug. Olivia's village was sweet, though.
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I can't tell you how many times I've given my daughter a craft or a game for selfish reasons. Sometimes simply because I want a few minutes to myself. I think regardless of WHY the kids are getting this play time, it's good for them.
Also don't see an issue with what was being worn. Clothes can be washed
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He has nothing else to do and likely trying to help Bonnie out, yet I was thinking he would be more vested in his new business by now. Today's meet up with Jared was not terrific.anxietyqueen wrote:Bonnie likes to say the vlog is hers, not Joel's, but he sure has been doing a lot of the filming...
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Nitpicky......RecklessDisregard wrote:I had really mixed feelings watching the kids play outside in the dirt. I used to LOVE this about Bonnie, that she would round up the kids and take them outside and expect them to amuse themselves, without providing specific activities or amusements or toys for them. I feel like a lot of modern children would be baffled if you just sent them out to play in the backyard without giving them toys or a game to play, because they are used to being handled very differently and supervised on such a micro-level that a caregiver doubles as a playmate and an entertainer. I think there are valuable life skills to be learned this way and always applauded Bonnie for it.
I don't know if it's just that Ellie's presence ruins everything, or what, but I am kind of bothered by the scene. We saw the blankets inside, where the kids had been sitting during the hours-long General Conference. Then they're herded outside, presumably so that they don't make a mess in the house. Poor Kate was definitely not dressed for playing in the mud. I cringed as she picked up a bit of it. Why not set the camera down and roll up her sleeves? Or better yet, change her into a spare tee shirt? And what was the comment about filming to prove they were taking good care of Beau's kids? (If I were Beau, I'd have my doubts too, especially about Ellie)
I don't even know exactly what I'm trying to say! I'm not against playing outside or getting dirty. I used to send my siblings outside regularly. It's good for them. But it seems like in this family, everything that happens is either for Mom's convenience, or vlog footage. Bah humbug. Olivia's village was sweet, though.
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She had to beg for her mother's jewelry that was always given away to Ellie and Ruby...that doesn't surprise me.pllfan5 wrote:I was the one who posted that. I've never heard her say that but it was just my observations of the messy Griffiths familyDenlillehavfrue wrote:I did a quick search (who knew you could search just the bonnie section) and back in part 2 someone said ". I felt so bad for Bonnie. I kind of get the feeling that Bonnie is the black sheep in the family. If she is treated this way on camera, I'm sure there is a lot that we ..."RecklessDisregard wrote:There was definitely a black sheep comment, though I can't recall whether it came from Bonnie's own lips or a comment here on YTMD. That's going to drive me crazy!!
so i think it was a comment here but she may have said it as well.
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RecklessDisregard wrote:I had really mixed feelings watching the kids play outside in the dirt. I used to LOVE this about Bonnie, that she would round up the kids and take them outside and expect them to amuse themselves, without providing specific activities or amusements or toys for them. I feel like a lot of modern children would be baffled if you just sent them out to play in the backyard without giving them toys or a game to play, because they are used to being handled very differently and supervised on such a micro-level that a caregiver doubles as a playmate and an entertainer. I think there are valuable life skills to be learned this way and always applauded Bonnie for it.
I don't know if it's just that Ellie's presence ruins everything, or what, but I am kind of bothered by the scene. We saw the blankets inside, where the kids had been sitting during the hours-long General Conference. Then they're herded outside, presumably so that they don't make a mess in the house. Poor Kate was definitely not dressed for playing in the mud. I cringed as she picked up a bit of it. Why not set the camera down and roll up her sleeves? Or better yet, change her into a spare tee shirt? And what was the comment about filming to prove they were taking good care of Beau's kids? (If I were Beau, I'd have my doubts too, especially about Ellie)
I don't even know exactly what I'm trying to say! I'm not against playing outside or getting dirty. I used to send my siblings outside regularly. It's good for them. But it seems like in this family, everything that happens is either for Mom's convenience, or vlog footage. Bah humbug. Olivia's village was sweet, though.
I wonder why Ellie is always over at Bonnie's. The new house will change everything and Ellie will stay home more is my guess.
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The whole jewelry comment made me sad. Bonnie is such a tender heart, I am sure it killed her having to ask.
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Oh my god. Her thing at the end of the vlog about how things she did in high school left physical and emotional scars on poor Jennifer. Jesus Christ.
Who the hell sits around and talks about all he horrible shit they did in the past? How old is Bonnie? I'm guessing early to mid thirties. That was 15 years ago at the least. It's time to move on Jennifer. Get over it. It must be emotionally exhausting to have a mother that has a log book of every time her children "wronged" her.
For parents that try to push "focusing on he positive", Jennifer is sure quick to pull up the negatives if she can make herself a victim in a situation.
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Who the hell sits around and talks about all he horrible shit they did in the past? How old is Bonnie? I'm guessing early to mid thirties. That was 15 years ago at the least. It's time to move on Jennifer. Get over it. It must be emotionally exhausting to have a mother that has a log book of every time her children "wronged" her.
For parents that try to push "focusing on he positive", Jennifer is sure quick to pull up the negatives if she can make herself a victim in a situation.
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And I am _sure_ nothing Bonnie did was that bad. I'll bet she never drank or did drugs, definitely didn't get knocked up. My ex and his sister used to compete to see who could get better grades and score higher on the SAT. I remember his mom sighing about how hard it was to raise teenagers, and my mom laughed SO hard. I won't even talk about the stuff my sisters and I did, but it would probably turn Jennifer's hair white. Bonnie probably stayed out too late one night. Shock. Horror. I can't believe Jennifer would still give Bonnie grief about stuff she did as a teenager. She's a grown woman now with a good _Mormon_ husband, a beautiful family, and nothing to be ashamed of. Maybe Jennifer should think about the scars she's leaving on her kids.
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When Joel said they had a fun play date planned with friends did anyone else hope he was finally talking about people other than ellie and jared?
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Most dads are working so I felt it was likely Jared.chachismemories1 wrote:When Joel said they had a fun play date planned with friends did anyone else hope he was finally talking about people other than ellie and jared?
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Bonnie is 30. I believe her birthday is next month.imnottired wrote:Oh my god. Her thing at the end of the vlog about how things she did in high school left physical and emotional scars on poor Jennifer. Jesus Christ.
Who the hell sits around and talks about all he horrible shit they did in the past? How old is Bonnie? I'm guessing early to mid thirties. That was 15 years ago at the least. It's time to move on Jennifer. Get over it. It must be emotionally exhausting to have a mother that has a log book of every time her children "wronged" her.
For parents that try to push "focusing on he positive", Jennifer is sure quick to pull up the negatives if she can make herself a victim in a situation.
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I just can't imagine Bonnie having done anything -that- bad. I knew some real hellions in high school, they would physically fight their mothers, have multiple pregnancies, do all kinds of drugs. My mom thought I was the absolute WORST because I liked to read all the time and didn't "take the initiative" to do Ruby-level chores without being told. We laugh about it now, after she went through my younger siblings' adolescence. They were much more normal and had various teenage scandals such as a DUI.
Doesn't seem like Grandma Griff is laughing.
In my view, Bonnie is the most worthy and deserving of her daughters.
Doesn't seem like Grandma Griff is laughing.
In my view, Bonnie is the most worthy and deserving of her daughters.
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IMO, I'm starting to think Bonnie's dad raised Bonnie. Jennifer raised the rest of them.
That has to be it. The difference in parenting and as a person are astounding.
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Maybe that's what "scarred" Jennifer. Bonnie had the temerity to be a daddy's girl. I can't imagine Jennifer taking kindly to playing second fiddle, even to her own husband.imnottired wrote:IMO, I'm starting to think Bonnie's dad raised Bonnie. Jennifer raised the rest of them.
That has to be it. The difference in parenting and as a person are astounding.
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I'd say it depends more on how it's being brought up. My family and I like to bring up stupid, crappy things I did as a teenager, but we laugh about it now. If Jennifer is trying to guilt Bonnie and make her feel like an awful person for things she did, that's completely different.imnottired wrote:Oh my god. Her thing at the end of the vlog about how things she did in high school left physical and emotional scars on poor Jennifer. Jesus Christ.
Who the hell sits around and talks about all he horrible shit they did in the past? How old is Bonnie? I'm guessing early to mid thirties. That was 15 years ago at the least. It's time to move on Jennifer. Get over it. It must be emotionally exhausting to have a mother that has a log book of every time her children "wronged" her.
For parents that try to push "focusing on he positive", Jennifer is sure quick to pull up the negatives if she can make herself a victim in a situation.
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Sometimes Bonnie & Joel's interactions are so awkward to watch ...like when Bonnie gets up in his face with the camera, and they gaze at one another. He looks visibly uncomfortable.
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It could be as simple as Bonnie was difficult because she had the nerve to question Jennifer and say the word "no." I still say Bonnie was the Jackson in their family, and was closer to her dad because he compensated for what he realized was unfair treatment.
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I just got around to watching today's vlog. When she said physical and emotional scars, I didn't necessarily get that she meant -on her mom-. Honestly, if it had been anyone else saying the words that came out of Bonnie's mouth, I would have thought for sure they were referring to super heavy stuff like teen pregnancy and abortion. It sounded so dire. But I just don't believe that of her. Not saying it can't happen to good people, but I doubt she ever had a moment of time that wasn't accounted for until the day she moved away from her parents' house.
I guess a rough adolescence would explain a few things, though.
I guess a rough adolescence would explain a few things, though.
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Well, she and Joel have both mentioned that they frequently skipped school when they were dating. Not the worst thing in the world, but it would anger and stress me out as a parent.