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Postby lmmomSD » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:20 am

Too late to edit, but one difference between vloggers and reality TV is the relative accessibility. I don't think anyone would send Kim K baby gifts or the Teen Mom's kids presents. But Family Fun Pack gets sent tons of crap, and so do C&K.

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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby Nini12 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:48 am

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Nini12 wrote:Actually I was surprised how most of (if not all) of the family vloggers that are "successful" are religious people, and also there's not much diversity, the only interracial couple that has been getting a lot of attention are Jamie and Nikki.
I can't think of a family vlogger that has an only child and isn't planning on having at least one more.

Also, at least based on the vloggers that I've watched, a lot have started due to the mom/wife's success but then her husband takes over (wasn't E+J YouTube account actually hers and then they change it? I can't remember).
That's why I think it's so hard for them to explain the excuse that the husband left their job so they could do YouTube full time, I mean, I like Joel but I don't think that he was the reason people subscribed to their channel.


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I think you're right, except for with Cullen and Katie. The Griffiths women and Missy were blogging before vlogging was big. And the lack of diversity is appalling. It's not just the lack of interracial couples, but the lack of any people who aren't Caucasian, barring a few adopted children. Don't know if they just don't vlog, or if their channels just stay in obscurity. Everyone is white and has multiple kids.

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I agree, that's what I was trying to say but didn't know how to word it . I pointed out Jamie and Nikki because it's the only family vloggers that may be successful at the moment and I think Nikki is somewhat religious and Jamie is Caucasian.
It's like their beliefs and their looks are something important, even if it we don't notice, just like it happens with famous people.

Maybe it has to do with the fact that the pregnancy journey videos used to be a big thing and people would ask the women to vlog. Nowadays people just create their YouTube channel and try to befriend other youtubers.

Anyways, I think that even if YouTube pays a lot, in the long run, it's really bad that both of the parents stay at home for a long time. In 10 years Bonnie and Joel will have to pay for their 3 sons missions and Olivia's wedding (yeah, aside from Beau's kids and maybe Julie's -who are IMO the ones who seem to treat their mother like a normal person and not a goddess- I don't think there's a chance that the Griffiths kids will end up living a very different life from their parents').


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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby Kryptonite » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:11 am

lmmomSD wrote:
Sarai wrote:
JoCo 89 wrote:Speaking of Shay, why isn't there a board for the Shaytards? (Or CaseyLavere or What's Up Woods?)


There is on GG

And there is one here too. It's just not very active, and the one on GG is relatively active.

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YTMD was part of GG at one point. For some reason, some of the threads stayed there (shaytards, itsjudyslife, etc.) :)

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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby tratra58 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:46 am

Nini12 wrote:Actually I was surprised how most of (if not all) of the family vloggers that are "successful" are religious people, and also there's not much diversity, the only interracial couple that has been getting a lot of attention are Jamie and Nikki.
I can't think of a family vlogger that has an only child and isn't planning on having at least one more.

Also, at least based on the vloggers that I've watched, a lot have started due to the mom/wife's success but then her husband takes over (wasn't E+J YouTube account actually hers and then they change it? I can't remember).
That's why I think it's so hard for them to explain the excuse that the husband left their job so they could do YouTube full time, I mean, I like Joel but I don't think that he was the reason people subscribed to their channel.


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I think diversity in who vlogs will change over time since the the appeal of all groups could find an audience. But is a diverse group interested in putting their life on the Internet might be a bigger question? Privacy is something you can't buy and giving it up could be a price some are unwilling to pay.

I agree the wives may started the channels out, but I doubt any of them anticipated the amount of income they were going to make with a successful channel. So I think this was a concern for Bonnie that Joel being part of her channel could cause some issues in the fact they were considered relatable with dad working. But the decision has been made by Bonnie and Joel and he will be part of her channel. I think I've soften my stance with Joel and I can't begrudge a dad who is there for his family and is helping out in his community...I hope hellosweetie was sitting down when she read this last line;) Going back to read messages can make you see things differently and recognize these are real people...and Bonnie visiting her aunt in the hospital made her more real.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby HelloSweetie » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:34 pm

Someone mentioned the women starting these channels. Given that most of them needed to learn how to edit later, I think it's safe to say the men (Jared, Bryan, etc) were always behind it. I really do think they at least hoped to make it a successful venture given that they all seemed very aware of Shay at the time.
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Postby MommaLindsey2 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:27 pm

I just had to come here to prove my point, Bonnie can never do wrong in some people's eyes. In the daily bumps thread people have gone on and on for pages about Ollie climbing on Finns crib. There was hardly any outrage on this thread when Boston and Cody actually went off on their own and knocked Lincoln's crib over and climbed on it. Much more dangerous in my opinion than what Ollie did with missy right there! What if it had fallen on Lincoln or one of the other kids? At least missy told Ollie to get down and didn't continue letting him climb on it like Bonnie did as she wiped Boston's blood off the floor. I am in no way saying missy is a better parent...just a comparison between the two threads.


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Postby HelloSweetie » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:37 pm

MommaLindsey2 wrote:I just had to come here to prove my point, Bonnie can never do wrong in some people's eyes. In the daily bumps thread people have gone on and on for pages about Ollie climbing on Finns crib. There was hardly any outrage on this thread when Boston and Cody actually went off on their own and knocked Lincoln's crib over and climbed on it. Much more dangerous in my opinion than what Ollie did with missy right there! What if it had fallen on Lincoln or one of the other kids? At least missy told Ollie to get down and didn't continue letting him climb on it like Bonnie did as she wiped Boston's blood off the floor. I am in no way saying missy is a better parent...just a comparison between the two threads.


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I didn't see anyone outraged in the DB thread that defended Bonnie over the crib thing. There are only about 10 posters that crossover anyway, and way more DB posters. Not a fair comparison. I'm the one that initially said that was an accident waiting to happen, and I expressed concern about Oliver playing on the crib as well. Lmmom as well. Who are you specifically taking about?


If you're wondering about inconsistencies, where was the concern about Finn being in a diaper in the vlog? Bonnie's kids around the crib might be more dangerous that Oliver standing on it, but just because one is worse, doesn't somehow make the other safe. Curious you will defend one after being so harsh about the other...

I stand by both being unsafe and a reflection of careless/lazy parenting.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby MommaLindsey2 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:47 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
MommaLindsey2 wrote:I just had to come here to prove my point, Bonnie can never do wrong in some people's eyes. In the daily bumps thread people have gone on and on for pages about Ollie climbing on Finns crib. There was hardly any outrage on this thread when Boston and Cody actually went off on their own and knocked Lincoln's crib over and climbed on it. Much more dangerous in my opinion than what Ollie did with missy right there! What if it had fallen on Lincoln or one of the other kids? At least missy told Ollie to get down and didn't continue letting him climb on it like Bonnie did as she wiped Boston's blood off the floor. I am in no way saying missy is a better parent...just a comparison between the two threads.


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I didn't see anyone outraged in the DB thread that defended Bonnie over the crib thing. There are only about 10 posters that crossover anyway, and way more DB posters. Not a fair comparison. I'm the one that initially said that was an accident waiting to happen, and I expressed concern about Oliver playing on the crib as well. Lmmom as well. Who are you specifically taking about?


If you're wondering about inconsistencies, where was the concern about Finn being in a diaper in the vlog? Bonnie's kids around the crib might be more dangerous that Oliver standing on it, but just because one is worse, doesn't somehow make the other safe. Curious you will defend one after being so harsh about the other...

I stand by both being unsafe and a reflection of careless/lazy parenting.


Yep they are both careless and lazy. I don't like one more than the other at this point. The reason I defend db sometimes, is that they are attacked relentlessly for small insignificant things. Sometimes imo the things are normal stuff parents do, like forget diapers and a active boy climbing on something. What is she supposed to do punish him on camera? He jumped down instantly her walking all the way across the room to get him down would have given him more time to fall.

I don't compare names on both threads so I don't know about that part. All I know is one thread there is several pages going on and on about Ollie and the crib, Bonnie's thread only a couple mentions of it. Missy is also called a horrible mom and lazy because her child cannot say the alphabet, count, or know colors. Bonnie doesn't teach any of these things or even read books or teach abc's to her almost kindergartener and it's fine. The fact of the matter is, people love Bonnie and hate Missy. I'm sorry I said anything now. It was just interesting that similar things happened so close to each other.


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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby Scar2016 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:55 am

Today's vlog Bonnie decides to go on a little rant about blanket training her kidses. She compared it to crate training a dog, and then tried to back track. Coincidence much?

And I'm sorry (not sorry) but as soon as Olivia hurt herself that camera should have been switched off. Olivia made it clear she was embarrassed about the whole thing. The clip at the end, of Bonnie and her on Bonnie's bed, should have been where the camera picked up again, imo.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby RootBeerFloatie » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:23 am

Wow. Children can enjoy blankets without blanket training, and comparing your kids to dogs in a crate...well that speaks for itself.

I'm disgusted over the way she handled Olivia. Bringing the camera outside while her child was screaming, then propping it up on the counter and prompting Olivia to look into it with her mouth wide open. Then, even though Olivia is clearly embarrassed and doesn't want to even tell her dad what happened, she's telling the entire world for the vlog. Olivia kept saying that she didn't want to say it, and I bet she was embarrassed to say it in front of the camera. While they were still in the kitchen Bonnie addresses the camera and says something like "you guys she ripped the tip of her tongue off," and you can see the immediate panic in Olivia's eyes.

When your child is hurt and screaming, and your first reaction is to grab your camera, there's a problem. When you're encouraging her to look into it to show off her injury, giving an exaggerated narrative that's scaring the hell out of her, and telling the world something that she's obviously painfully embarrassed to admit... Bonnie needs to put down the camera and start living in the real world again or her children will suffer for it.
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Postby HelloSweetie » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:36 am

I actually thought Bonnie was more engaged in the moment than I've seen from most vloggers lately. This could be a sad commentary on vlogging in general, more than a defence of Bonnie exactly. Although I expected far worse after reading here.

About blanket time. What is everyone's thought about quiet time then? Many parents will have their child play in their room for an hour or so when they still need to rest but have given up their nap. Blanket time to me seems like quiet time, but in a flexible area where they can still be with their parents. Just wondering if it's the blanket itself that is the issue, or if it's the whole idea of expecting them to sit quietly.

And I get what she was going for with the crate analogy. Sometimes kids get overstimulated and really do need to calm down. Like a puppy will find comfort in it's crate, I think she was saying the kids find it calming to just okay quietly on their blankets. She could have not compared the kids to dogs, but I'd be lying if I said I'd never compared my dog to my kids and vice versa
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby Vincere » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:46 am

Ruby posted a video where the thumbnail is Julie with the teeth covered in blood and it almost has 1 million views and was posted recently. If you look at the videos next to it they don't have as many views.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby tratra58 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:26 am

Scar2016 wrote:Today's vlog Bonnie decides to go on a little rant about blanket training her kidses. She compared it to crate training a dog, and then tried to back track. Coincidence much?

And I'm sorry (not sorry) but as soon as Olivia hurt herself that camera should have been switched off. Olivia made it clear she was embarrassed about the whole thing. The clip at the end, of Bonnie and her on Bonnie's bed, should have been where the camera picked up again, imo.


Can anyone answer this question. Was blanket training discussed on her comment YouTube section or just on YTMD? I think it is interesting she is engaging in negative comments which is something I am surprised about.
Honestly, I didn't know anything about blanket training and if she had said nothing, I would have thought it was a picnic with their special blankets in the basement or a way to eat downstairs with blankets to prevent carpet spills. My guess is she has her viewers confused with this whole line of conversation. I believe Joel napping part was in the same sense telling us he can nap if he wants to...or a response to the messages here.

The incident with the tongue being injured was because there is really nothing going on throughout the day to film is my opinion, but I could be wrong. I disagree with the thought Olivia minded this being filmed since she likes her camera time which in itself a different way to bring your kids up. The whole story Olivia was preventing Cody from making a mistake by doing it first...I'm not buying that one;) However, the kids were concern they were in trouble so a typical thing for them to do is to explain it away so I am not saying this is a bad thing. I think Ruby did this once on her vlog with filming her child being hurt, with the same type of filming (crying kid, bleeding, camera throughout the whole incident) and I think the comments on the YouTube section were negative with her filming it? Those who comment on Ruby's YouTube comment section can really go for the jugular when she does something they question, but I don't know if her demographics are mainly kids.

If you look at what is the interesting part of this vlogging is a message board that they read (not just Bonnie) and bring up in their vlogs. A good question is why do they care with mostly positive comments on her YouTube comment section and a channel that is getting very good daily views. If I were Bonnie, I would stop reading here. If things are going well with the channel and comment section, I would leave it at that since you never going to please everyone and your YouTube job is placing yourself in a position to be critiqued. Even traditional jobs you are assessed, but not by millions and it is done daily so this is a big downside to vlogging.
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Postby workfromhomemom » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:29 am

Bonnie clearly wasn't thinking when she made the tongue comment to the camera about Olivia taking the "whole tip off" and Olivia did panic after. I doubt Olivia took more than a little skin off. I agree, it didn't need to be vlogged. I don't get letting your kids play in negative temps either no matter how bundled they are, but that's just my opinion. Today's vlog was disappointing in many ways. I don't buy that part of Olivia doing it too to prevent Cody from doing it. I think that was Bonnie's take on it.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby tratra58 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:30 am

Vincere wrote:Ruby posted a video where the thumbnail is Julie with the teeth covered in blood and it almost has 1 million views and was posted recently. If you look at the videos next to it they don't have as many views.


I thought so and I do think she got some negative comments about this, but a million views must make it ok I guess?
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby tratra58 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:38 am

HelloSweetie wrote:I actually thought Bonnie was more engaged in the moment than I've seen from most vloggers lately. This could be a sad commentary on vlogging in general, more than a defence of Bonnie exactly. Although I expected far worse after reading here.

About blanket time. What is everyone's thought about quiet time then? Many parents will have their child play in their room for an hour or so when they still need to rest but have given up their nap. Blanket time to me seems like quiet time, but in a flexible area where they can still be with their parents. Just wondering if it's the blanket itself that is the issue, or if it's the whole idea of expecting them to sit quietly.

And I get what she was going for with the crate analogy. Sometimes kids get overstimulated and really do need to calm down. Like a puppy will find comfort in it's crate, I think she was saying the kids find it calming to just okay quietly on their blankets. She could have not compared the kids to dogs, but I'd be lying if I said I'd never compared my dog to my kids and vice versa



I have no opinion on Blanket Time and why do you think she brought it up in her vlog? I think most would have thought like myself it was a picnic in the basement with their blankets to sit on.

I guess this is an interesting aspect to the YouTube business is questionable Thumbnails and controversial topics that result in more views.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby rdt1004 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:43 am

I was watching Samika the other day and Sam mentioned the local news has been cautioning parents about letting their small dogs and children out into the freezing cold they are having. They all live in the same town, I'm surprised Bonnie had her kids outside at all.


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Postby angelfire89 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:47 am

Bonnie did a whole video explaining "blanket time" at one point. I don't remember the details but apparently in its strictest form, blanket time involves spankings when the children stray from the blanket or don't follow the rules. There was speculation at the time as to whether Bonnie does that or takes a slightly more lax approach.
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Postby HelloSweetie » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:47 am

tratra58 wrote:
HelloSweetie wrote:I actually thought Bonnie was more engaged in the moment than I've seen from most vloggers lately. This could be a sad commentary on vlogging in general, more than a defence of Bonnie exactly. Although I expected far worse after reading here.

About blanket time. What is everyone's thought about quiet time then? Many parents will have their child play in their room for an hour or so when they still need to rest but have given up their nap. Blanket time to me seems like quiet time, but in a flexible area where they can still be with their parents. Just wondering if it's the blanket itself that is the issue, or if it's the whole idea of expecting them to sit quietly.

And I get what she was going for with the crate analogy. Sometimes kids get overstimulated and really do need to calm down. Like a puppy will find comfort in it's crate, I think she was saying the kids find it calming to just okay quietly on their blankets. She could have not compared the kids to dogs, but I'd be lying if I said I'd never compared my dog to my kids and vice versa



I have no opinion on Blanket Time and why do you think she brought it up in her vlog? I think most would have thought like myself it was a picnic in the basement with their blankets to sit on.

I guess this is an interesting aspect to the YouTube business is questionable Thumbnails and controversial topics that result in more views.


I think it came up because Linc is getting to the age where we'll start seeing him start. She made a video about it before if you want to check it out to see what it is.

Blanket time wasn't brought up yesterday night until after 9:30 on YTMD. I have no doubt that she reads here, but I can't see that being added as a response to it unless they had set the kids up to add that clip. Given that Olivia didn't have a lisp, I think that's unlikely.

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Postby tratra58 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:59 am

workfromhomemom wrote:Bonnie clearly wasn't thinking when she made the tongue comment to the camera about Olivia taking the "whole tip off" and Olivia did panic after. I doubt Olivia took more than a little skin off. I agree, it didn't need to be vlogged. I don't get letting your kids play in negative temps either no matter how bundled they are, but that's just my opinion. Today's vlog was disappointing in many ways. I don't buy that part of Olivia doing it too to prevent Cody from doing it. I think that was Bonnie's take on it.


I am sure it hurt...a lot, but the fact I didn't see bleeding, nothing was ripped off, I think she was very lucky it wasn't a worst injury.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby workfromhomemom » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:01 am

tratra58 wrote:
workfromhomemom wrote:Bonnie clearly wasn't thinking when she made the tongue comment to the camera about Olivia taking the "whole tip off" and Olivia did panic after. I doubt Olivia took more than a little skin off. I agree, it didn't need to be vlogged. I don't get letting your kids play in negative temps either no matter how bundled they are, but that's just my opinion. Today's vlog was disappointing in many ways. I don't buy that part of Olivia doing it too to prevent Cody from doing it. I think that was Bonnie's take on it.


I am sure it hurt...a lot, but the fact I didn't see bleeding, nothing was ripped off, I think she was very lucky it wasn't a worst injury. Temps at -5 isn't really terribly cold in my opinion, the windchill would be a bigger factor and I don't think below zero is unusual for this part of Utah. I can see Joel being surprised it was a school snow day with roads clear and temps not too bad, but I watch the national weather this morning and they are getting a lot more snow out west..Weather Channel names these snow storms now and this one is called Winter Storm Iras.


I think Bonnie has the tendency to exaggerate too, thus the "ripped" off comment. My husband can be this way too at times and it gets old quickly. Sorry, I just don't buy those being safe temps to play in outside no matter if the kids don't seem to mind it.
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Postby HelloSweetie » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:07 am

rdt1004 wrote:I was watching Samika the other day and Sam mentioned the local news has been cautioning parents about letting their small dogs and children out into the freezing cold they are having. They all live in the same town, I'm surprised Bonnie had her kids outside at all.


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Not sure which day this was vlogged, but Saturday the average temp was -9 F. Cold enough that the schools where I live would keep the kids in at lunch, but not so cold that I wouldn't let an older child play outside if they insisted and bundled up. Really though, the tongue thing could happen at any freezing temperature so it could have been vlogged on Sunday (though I doubt it). That was 21 degrees. I know this still sounds wicked cold, but when you live in the Mountains you really do get used to it.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby tratra58 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:11 am

workfromhomemom wrote:
tratra58 wrote:
workfromhomemom wrote:Bonnie clearly wasn't thinking when she made the tongue comment to the camera about Olivia taking the "whole tip off" and Olivia did panic after. I doubt Olivia took more than a little skin off. I agree, it didn't need to be vlogged. I don't get letting your kids play in negative temps either no matter how bundled they are, but that's just my opinion. Today's vlog was disappointing in many ways. I don't buy that part of Olivia doing it too to prevent Cody from doing it. I think that was Bonnie's take on it.


I am sure it hurt...a lot, but the fact I didn't see bleeding, nothing was ripped off, I think she was very lucky it wasn't a worst injury. Temps at -5 isn't really terribly cold in my opinion, the windchill would be a bigger factor and I don't think below zero is unusual for this part of Utah. I can see Joel being surprised it was a school snow day with roads clear and temps not too bad, but I watch the national weather this morning and they are getting a lot more snow out west..Weather Channel names these snow storms now and this one is called Winter Storm Iras.


I think Bonnie has the tendency to exaggerate too, thus the "ripped" off comment. My husband can be this way too at times and it gets old quickly. Sorry, I just don't buy those being safe temps to play in outside no matter if the kids don't seem to mind it.


I see get what you are saying if the temps were worst, which they might have been, but I am not sure they were.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby tratra58 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:16 am

HelloSweetie wrote:
rdt1004 wrote:I was watching Samika the other day and Sam mentioned the local news has been cautioning parents about letting their small dogs and children out into the freezing cold they are having. They all live in the same town, I'm surprised Bonnie had her kids outside at all.


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Not sure which day this was vlogged, but Saturday the average temp was -9 F. Cold enough that the schools where I live would keep the kids in at lunch, but not so cold that I wouldn't let an older child play outside if they insisted and bundled up. Really though, the tongue thing could happen at any freezing temperature so it could have been vlogged on Sunday (though I doubt it). That was 21 degrees. I know this still sounds wicked cold, but when you live in the Mountains you really do get used to it.



I get what you are saying and even kids out for a little time is just getting some fresh air. They go crazy being indoor for days. If you live in cold climates, you get use to this and life doesn't stop like it did for Cullen and Katie with less than an inch of snow lol.

This one I will not fault Bonnie this one...;) My guess is the ski areas were packed with kids skiing with being off of school that long of stretch and the amount of snow they've had.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Spreading all the HERPES Part 8

Postby winniewise » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:24 am

I think Bonnie likes freaking her kids out to get a reaction out of them.
I just watched the tubing vlog (I think it was the living with herpes one). Anyway Boston didn't seem scared at all to go down in the tube, then as soon as he gets pushed to go down, Bonnie yells "don't break your leg!" And he starts crying and doesn't want to go down again for the rest of the day.
As a parent it is your job to help your kids deal with scary emotions, not dig them up! It just seems like some parents get a kick out of seeing their kids cry. I don't understand it. But I guess I tend more towards sheltering my kids too much. The end of the movie Inside Out made my 2 year old super sad so we haven't watched it again.

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