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E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby actuallydear » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:38 am

larissaledingham wrote:
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larissaledingham wrote:People say missy is desperate for a girl going by what I've heard in the vlogs the last few days ellie is more desperate for a girl and for that I hope she gets all boys

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Lol. I hope she learns to properly handle the children and life she has before having any other children. Ellie is still too much of a spoiled child herself to even think of adding more responsibility. Having Calvin almost broke her, and they still haven't recovered. Another child will be more than she can handle.

But I agree that she's desperate for a daughter. If she finally gets one, she'll then be desperate for something else to add to the perfect "image". Jared will never succeed in pleasing her.

It wouldn't suprise me if she thought she was automatically going to have a girl first since all of her siblings oldest children are girls (therefore she resents Jackson)

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They both talked about wanting a boy when she was pregnant with Jackson. She even joked that she would love the baby if it were a girl, just not as much.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Playsinrain » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:39 am

I want to add to the debate on whether Ellie favors Cal more than Jacks.. disclaimer: (lol) I only watch E&J mayyyybe once a week, sometimes less, sometimes more depending on what is being talked about here. So keep in mind that its harder for me to pick up on patterns ect with their behavior.
Just watching as infrequently as I do, the one thing that really disturbs me about Ellie is her lack in ability to praise Jackson when he deserves it. I've seen it several times but the most recent and the one that really scorched my hide is the vlog a few weeks back where they took the boys ice skating. I talked about it then as well, but look back at it if you really don't think she favors Calvin over Jackson. She REFUSES to talk about how well Jackson did and immediately turns it into Calvin being the best. While they are at the rink she gushes about how well Calvin did (the kid was in sneakers walking on the ice with a walker...) and throws in Jackson as an after thought (who was a natural at it like pretty much every physical activity he tries). "I want to come back when Calvin gets older." as in she cant just take Jackson since he is old enough and can really enjoy it, its GOT to be all about Calvin. Later, at the end of the vlog Jared starts talking about how great Jackson did and Ellie immediately turns the conversation on Calvin, he was just amazing bc he loves to talk to and kiss strangers.. She dismisses everything Jackson excels at and throws a freaking party for Calvin if he claps his hands. Maybe i don't watch enough to see her dote and brag on Jackson, but ive never really seen it. He does not get the praise he deserves from his mother, and that WILL be damaging to him as he gets older. Sure kids don't need a trophy for wiping their noses, but give a kid praise when he deserves it! We all know how everything has to be about Ellie.. all the time, and i have wondered if she see's Calvin as an extension of herself. If the attention cant be on her, then it better be on Calvin bc he's an extension of Ellie. Jackson has been pushed away for Calvin. Jackson will be trying to gain his mothers approval his entire life while Calvin won't have to lift a finger and will be the golden child bc Ellie has some weird attachment to him. All mothers should be attached to their children, yes, but when it the attachment is so strong that you start projecting your own issues on the to child it becomes an issue. Not only for the child but for siblings and partners too. I can see Ellie jumping on Jared off camera for giving Jackson too much praise.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Playsinrain » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:42 am

actuallydear wrote:
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menehune wrote:Lol. I hope she learns to properly handle the children and life she has before having any other children. Ellie is still too much of a spoiled child herself to even think of adding more responsibility. Having Calvin almost broke her, and they still haven't recovered. Another child will be more than she can handle.

But I agree that she's desperate for a daughter. If she finally gets one, she'll then be desperate for something else to add to the perfect "image". Jared will never succeed in pleasing her.

It wouldn't suprise me if she thought she was automatically going to have a girl first since all of her siblings oldest children are girls (therefore she resents Jackson)

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They both talked about wanting a boy when she was pregnant with Jackson. She even joked that she would love the baby if it were a girl, just not as much.


Bc in that picture post card world she wants to live in, little girls always have big brothers. She wanted a boy first so he could be the big protector of her precious delicate daughter. Now that she has TWO boys, she HAS to have a girl bc then who would the boys look after???
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby phie20 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:44 am

"This used to be mommys play food."

No shit, Jackson's getting something old. Oh what fun memories I had playing with this. And now Jackson can.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby IceCreamCone » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:44 am

Those Beanboozleds are disgusting. Someone brought them to school at recess and a few of the kids felt really sick after just one or two. They are really gross. It's ok for adults if they want to do that to themselves, but I would never give them to my kid willingly. I would let them have them at a party, but I would never buy them. Kids are picky, you could buy some of the less desirable Jelly Belly flavours and do the same thing but to a less disgusting level. I think that might have been more about having vlogworthy material than it was about a party activity. Why not play more Spiderman specific party games? I've seen Pin the Spider on the Web. Probably not as entertaining for a vlog. Just my opinion.

Jackson is the sweetest child though. He's adorable! I just can't warm up to Calvin. Makes me feel terrible :(
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby phie20 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:49 am

Seriously though, am I missing something?

Jackson got:
- the painting (which is for everyone)
- the kitchen (which is for everyone)
- a clock... A CLOCK.

Ehm... are they for real?
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby IceCreamCone » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:50 am

Playsinrain wrote:I want to add to the debate on whether Ellie favors Cal more than Jacks.. disclaimer: (lol) I only watch E&J mayyyybe once a week, sometimes less, sometimes more depending on what is being talked about here. So keep in mind that its harder for me to pick up on patterns ect with their behavior.
Just watching as infrequently as I do, the one thing that really disturbs me about Ellie is her lack in ability to praise Jackson when he deserves it. I've seen it several times but the most recent and the one that really scorched my hide is the vlog a few weeks back where they took the boys ice skating. I talked about it then as well, but look back at it if you really don't think she favors Calvin over Jackson. She REFUSES to talk about how well Jackson did and immediately turns it into Calvin being the best. While they are at the rink she gushes about how well Calvin did (the kid was in sneakers walking on the ice with a walker...) and throws in Jackson as an after thought (who was a natural at it like pretty much every physical activity he tries). "I want to come back when Calvin gets older." as in she cant just take Jackson since he is old enough and can really enjoy it, its GOT to be all about Calvin. Later, at the end of the vlog Jared starts talking about how great Jackson did and Ellie immediately turns the conversation on Calvin, he was just amazing bc he loves to talk to and kiss strangers.. She dismisses everything Jackson excels at and throws a freaking party for Calvin if he claps his hands. Maybe i don't watch enough to see her dote and brag on Jackson, but ive never really seen it. He does not get the praise he deserves from his mother, and that WILL be damaging to him as he gets older. Sure kids don't need a trophy for wiping their noses, but give a kid praise when he deserves it! We all know how everything has to be about Ellie.. all the time, and i have wondered if she see's Calvin as an extension of herself. If the attention cant be on her, then it better be on Calvin bc he's an extension of Ellie. Jackson has been pushed away for Calvin. Jackson will be trying to gain his mothers approval his entire life while Calvin won't have to lift a finger and will be the golden child bc Ellie has some weird attachment to him. All mothers should be attached to their children, yes, but when it the attachment is so strong that you start projecting your own issues on the to child it becomes an issue. Not only for the child but for siblings and partners too. I can see Ellie jumping on Jared off camera for giving Jackson too much praise.


Yes, this! 100% Jackson is treated like he's Jared's child, whereas Calvin is hers. His attention is HER attention too. Anytime Jackson gets any sort of recognition, she uses Calvin to steal the limelight away. This is a common tool of Narcissist mothers. Thing is, the Golden Child is easily replaceable, so if she gets her daughter, then Cal is going to find himself hanging out with his brother. At least then, Jackson might not grow up thinking it's just him.

Jared needs to grow a pair of balls and realize they don't need to bring anymore children or pets into that mess. He has his hands full raising his wife-child, two boys and now Penny. If something were to ever happen to him, or if he ever had to return to a 40 hr a week job, they would not be ok. Ellie can't handle life as an adult with two children. Not even close.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Boredomatitsfinest » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:58 am

They dropped hints about the kitchen before Christmas, so I don't think it was to keep up with DB. But of course, you never know with these two.

As for Ellie progressively aging over the last two years, I think it's mostly because of her severe malnutrition (whatever the reason behind it may be) causing her to not only be extremely thin and frail, but also making her skin appear dull and pale. The platinum in her hair doesn't help her to not look washed out (although I do prefer her as a blonde and think she looked gorgeous as a blonde when she was pregnant with Jackson). And last but not least, the popularly discussed Invisalign that widened her bite which adds to the gaunt-ness of her face. (Not trying to be rude or negative here, just stating contributing factors.)

I think a lot of the difference we see in Ellie's personality/the way she treats Jackson has to do a lot with her lack of gratitude. When Ellie was finally able to conceive/give birth to Jackson, she was on a high. She was extremely humble and grateful. Once she got pregnant with Cal naturally, she slowly but surely lost all of that. I think that now she is back to her original form (lol), the bitter and mean acne/anxiety Ellie that she owed her family an apology for pre-Jackson.

She may treat Cal differently, but there's a difference in her personality as a whole imo.


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby calliepaige84 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:06 pm

Are they meeting up with DB at the cabin again?


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby IceCreamCone » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:15 pm

Boredomatitsfinest wrote:They dropped hints about the kitchen before Christmas, so I don't think it was to keep up with DB. But of course, you never know with these two.

As for Ellie progressively aging over the last two years, I think it's mostly because of her severe malnutrition (whatever the reason behind it may be) causing her to not only be extremely thin and frail, but also making her skin appear dull and pale. The platinum in her hair doesn't help her to not look washed out (although I do prefer her as a blonde and think she looked gorgeous as a blonde when she was pregnant with Jackson). And last but not least, the popularly discussed Invisalign that widened her bite which adds to the gaunt-ness of her face. (Not trying to be rude or negative here, just stating contributing factors.)

I think a lot of the difference we see in Ellie's personality/the way she treats Jackson has to do a lot with her lack of gratitude. When Ellie was finally able to conceive/give birth to Jackson, she was on a high. She was extremely humble and grateful. Once she got pregnant with Cal naturally, she slowly but surely lost all of that. I think that now she is back to her original form (lol), the bitter and mean acne/anxiety Ellie that she owed her family an apology for pre-Jackson.

She may treat Cal differently, but there's a difference in her personality as a whole imo.


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Unpopular opinion, but I don't see Ellie's problem as being anxiety at all. I think it's just a word she's grabbed onto to justify all sorts of things. I have anxiety, as many of us do, and the strange thing for me is that she has never used it in the present. It's always been mentioned as something she dealt with in the past. You know how people will add PTSD or DOMESTIC ABUSE VICTIM to their IG bios as a little attention grab? I view it like that. Most of us with anxiety aren't so easily cured, and don't use it to justify poor behaviour... it makes us worry about that behaviour MORE. For instance, what makes Ellie anxious? Do we even know? We know her choices have shown it isn't performing in public, meeting people she wants to meet, arguing with retail employees, throwing criticism at workers, travelling with a newborn or toddler (or both), building a home, etc. She even went door to door asking the people on her street if that was a good place to live. I belong to a support group for anxiety disorders. I have never encountered someone with anxiety that is as pushy and immovable as Ellie is. Ellie is bitchy and pouty when she doesn't get her way, I don't feel that is anxiety in the way she mentions it. Not all anxiety is disordered and to a life-impacting degree. I feel like she is the type to just want to be included in the club... like how so many vloggers also want to claim IF.

*BIG DISCLAIMER THAT THIS IS JUST MY OPINION AND I DON'T MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS ANXIETY OR OTHER MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby RecklessDisregard » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:37 pm

Aww, that was a nice birthday. Jackson is such a sweetheart. I'm glad Jared made the effort to assemble some clips for the birthday vlog, and they seemed to make it a special day for him.

Even when it's not overtly apparent, you can tell when Jared is filming (as opposed to Ellie) because he actually catches the other kids' faces instead of glossing over them. I had a chuckle at poor Boston during the Beanboozled challenge... That kid would eat every nasty bean with a thumbs-up and a smile as long as he was included!

Maybe I have just known too many poor kids growing up in difficult circumstances, but I wish all little kids could have a happy birthday like Jackson's. It wasn't a Lanning Present Extravaganza or a Calvin Cuddlefest, but it was nice, and I can see why even older kids watch this stuff and wish they could be part of the family. Hell, I'm in my thirties and sometimes my vlog-watching is aspirational in nature and tinged with some level of vicarious wish-fulfillment.

The anecdote about Calvin towards the end was interesting... Ellie said Calvin cries when they put him down and cries even harder if Jared walks into his room, but stops immediately for Ellie. I guess their preference for each other is mutual. I get that a lot of kids prefer one parent over the other, and some parents are able to connect with one kid more easily than the others, but Ellie + Calvin's relationship seems like a pretty extreme version of that. Honestly, having a kid caught up in that dynamic would be a real strain on my marriage.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Playsinrain » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:37 pm

IceCreamCone wrote:
Playsinrain wrote:I want to add to the debate on whether Ellie favors Cal more than Jacks.. disclaimer: (lol) I only watch E&J mayyyybe once a week, sometimes less, sometimes more depending on what is being talked about here. So keep in mind that its harder for me to pick up on patterns ect with their behavior.
Just watching as infrequently as I do, the one thing that really disturbs me about Ellie is her lack in ability to praise Jackson when he deserves it. I've seen it several times but the most recent and the one that really scorched my hide is the vlog a few weeks back where they took the boys ice skating. I talked about it then as well, but look back at it if you really don't think she favors Calvin over Jackson. She REFUSES to talk about how well Jackson did and immediately turns it into Calvin being the best. While they are at the rink she gushes about how well Calvin did (the kid was in sneakers walking on the ice with a walker...) and throws in Jackson as an after thought (who was a natural at it like pretty much every physical activity he tries). "I want to come back when Calvin gets older." as in she cant just take Jackson since he is old enough and can really enjoy it, its GOT to be all about Calvin. Later, at the end of the vlog Jared starts talking about how great Jackson did and Ellie immediately turns the conversation on Calvin, he was just amazing bc he loves to talk to and kiss strangers.. She dismisses everything Jackson excels at and throws a freaking party for Calvin if he claps his hands. Maybe i don't watch enough to see her dote and brag on Jackson, but ive never really seen it. He does not get the praise he deserves from his mother, and that WILL be damaging to him as he gets older. Sure kids don't need a trophy for wiping their noses, but give a kid praise when he deserves it! We all know how everything has to be about Ellie.. all the time, and i have wondered if she see's Calvin as an extension of herself. If the attention cant be on her, then it better be on Calvin bc he's an extension of Ellie. Jackson has been pushed away for Calvin. Jackson will be trying to gain his mothers approval his entire life while Calvin won't have to lift a finger and will be the golden child bc Ellie has some weird attachment to him. All mothers should be attached to their children, yes, but when it the attachment is so strong that you start projecting your own issues on the to child it becomes an issue. Not only for the child but for siblings and partners too. I can see Ellie jumping on Jared off camera for giving Jackson too much praise.


Yes, this! 100% Jackson is treated like he's Jared's child, whereas Calvin is hers. His attention is HER attention too. Anytime Jackson gets any sort of recognition, she uses Calvin to steal the limelight away. This is a common tool of Narcissist mothers. Thing is, the Golden Child is easily replaceable, so if she gets her daughter, then Cal is going to find himself hanging out with his brother. At least then, Jackson might not grow up thinking it's just him.

Jared needs to grow a pair of balls and realize they don't need to bring anymore children or pets into that mess. He has his hands full raising his wife-child, two boys and now Penny. If something were to ever happen to him, or if he ever had to return to a 40 hr a week job, they would not be ok. Ellie can't handle life as an adult with two children. Not even close.


YES!! That's exactly how it feels, like Jackson is Jared's and Calvin is Ellie's. I feel like that when Calvin was born Ellie had a rough time (which i'm not shaming her on, I had a rough go with my second and i sympathize with anyone who has PPD. How she handled it is a whole other discussion about Mormon's and mental health) and she pushed Jackson away and on to his dad more. It happens with first kids, and i get it, but i feel like Ellie took it way too far. She forced that baby to grow up, and pushed him away emotionally (and physically) when Calvin was born.. I'm not a child life specialist, i havent taken any early child hood development classes, but maybe someone who has can help me out. At the age Jackson was when Calvin was born, are there emotional and cognitive developments that are being made between parent and child that could be damaged by her actions? Not asking for a diagnosis of course, but could someone with a little more background knowledge elaborate on that (or the lack there of)? It almost seems like that bond she had with Jackson before Calvin was born has been damaged and i wonder if there are some emotional milestones that were not hit or were "messed up" bc she pushed him away?
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby HelloSweetie » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:43 pm

RecklessDisregard wrote:The anecdote about Calvin towards the end was interesting... Ellie said Calvin cries when they put him down and cries even harder if Jared walks into his room, but stops immediately for Ellie. I guess their preference for each other is mutual. I get that a lot of kids prefer one parent over the other, and some parents are able to connect with one kid more easily than the others, but Ellie + Calvin's relationship seems like a pretty extreme version of that. Honestly, having a kid caught up in that dynamic would be a real strain on my marriage.


We have a situation similar to this with our youngest. He was a colicky baby and got used to me as his comfort item. As nice as it is to know he loves me, it also makes me feel a bit like I've failed him. He needs to have a relationship with his dad too. I can't be around all the time, and he needs to know he's ok with daddy. We work really hard at making sure we don't make this clinginess worse, and I think that's what Ellie is lacking. She isn't trying to rectify it because she doesn't see a problem with it. She encourages Calvin to need only her, and I don't think it's good for him, especially if they plan to have another baby and she's going to shut herself away again. It's time for Ellie and Jared to start doing separate "dates" with the boys so she can re-bond with Jackson and Jared can establish a better bond with Calvin.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby larissaledingham » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:44 pm

Utter speculation but are they maybe road tripping to California for bryans album release party since bryan said 'some special guests' are coming and they love the Pacifica so much, can't be long before the next DBEJCK winter vacay

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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby RecklessDisregard » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:49 pm

Sorry to post again so soon... But... Did they really not film Penny at all on Jackson's birthday??!

I mean, there are valid reasons why a puppy could get overwhelmed at a little kid's birthday party, but E+J have never hesitated to trot her out at gatherings.

Is she in the "doghouse" (garage) because of the broken vase?

I am not even particularly a fan of dogs and I found her absence bizarre.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby larissaledingham » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:56 pm

RecklessDisregard wrote:Sorry to post again so soon... But... Did they really not film Penny at all on Jackson's birthday??!

I mean, there are valid reasons why a puppy could get overwhelmed at a little kid's birthday party, but E+J have never hesitated to trot her out at gatherings.

Is she in the "doghouse" (garage) because of the broken vase?

I am not even particularly a fan of dogs and I found her absence bizarre.

She was at the window during the bean boozled bit

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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby MommaLindsey2 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:58 pm

RecklessDisregard wrote:Sorry to post again so soon... But... Did they really not film Penny at all on Jackson's birthday??!

I mean, there are valid reasons why a puppy could get overwhelmed at a little kid's birthday party, but E+J have never hesitated to trot her out at gatherings.

Is she in the "doghouse" (garage) because of the broken vase?

I am not even particularly a fan of dogs and I found her absence bizarre.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby skyblueandblack » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:01 pm

I'm really not understanding why in the previous vlog so much time was spent on explaining plumbing stuff to us. Snore!

I also love that scene in which Ellie is doing that annoying thing she does where she looks around their McMansion and coos about it- and Jared says, "I love our little home." Little? Okay then.

When they were setting up Jackson's kitchen Ellie said something like "I'm going to be down here every night" and it made me think of the poster here who said Ellie would be sneaking down at night to nibble on the fake food. Too funny.

If I never have to hear the word Frankenstein as a verb again- id still have heard it too much.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby skyblueandblack » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:12 pm

Also- why are the Griffiths so into that half bun hairstyle? Ruby does it a lot as well- and did it for Shari's dance- and I am just not a fan.

It feels like a mainstream LDS take on the FLDS poof.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby workfromhomemom » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:17 pm

phie20 wrote:Seriously though, am I missing something?

Jackson got:
- the painting (which is for everyone)
- the kitchen (which is for everyone)
- a clock... A CLOCK.

Ehm... are they for real?
I hope I missed something.


A clock really? Why didn't anyone get Jackson any play food to go with his kitchen? I know he got Ellie's old crap, but play food is what makes a kitchen fun. I couldn't make it all the way through the video. I just can hardly stand Ellie's voice anymore. They will probably be like DBs to me soon, who I can't stomach but just read about on here.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby skyblueandblack » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:30 pm

workfromhomemom wrote:
phie20 wrote:Seriously though, am I missing something?

Jackson got:
- the painting (which is for everyone)
- the kitchen (which is for everyone)
- a clock... A CLOCK.

Ehm... are they for real?
I hope I missed something.


A clock really? Why didn't anyone get Jackson any play food to go with his kitchen? I know he got Ellie's old crap, but play food is what makes a kitchen fun. I couldn't make it all the way through the video. I just can hardly stand Ellie's voice anymore. They will probably be like DBs to me soon, who I can't stomach but just read about on here.


I believe Bonnie got him a bunch of Melissa and Doug food.

And yeah the clock is great... but just as an everyday purchase. Not as a 3 year olds birthday gift.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Playsinrain » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:32 pm

workfromhomemom wrote:
phie20 wrote:Seriously though, am I missing something?

Jackson got:
- the painting (which is for everyone)
- the kitchen (which is for everyone)
- a clock... A CLOCK.

Ehm... are they for real?
I hope I missed something.


A clock really? Why didn't anyone get Jackson any play food to go with his kitchen? I know he got Ellie's old crap, but play food is what makes a kitchen fun. I couldn't make it all the way through the video. I just can hardly stand Ellie's voice anymore. They will probably be like DBs to me soon, who I can't stomach but just read about on here.


Bc that play food is Ellie's play food, Jackson doesn't need anything more than his mothers hand me downs. I get that it's sweet and cute, but someone could have added too it. Heaven forbid someone get him some other food and he like it better than Ellie's. Whatever was good enough for mom is good enough for him. Jackson should feel blessed that Ellie allows him to play with it.
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby Playsinrain » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:42 pm

That play kitchen was $699 btw...
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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby calliepaige84 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:48 pm

Playsinrain wrote:That play kitchen was $699 btw...


Holy eff. Whyyyyyyyyy


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Re: E+E - It's all about ME! Part 20

Postby staceyeileen » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:50 pm

workfromhomemom wrote:
phie20 wrote:Seriously though, am I missing something?

Jackson got:
- the painting (which is for everyone)
- the kitchen (which is for everyone)
- a clock... A CLOCK.

Ehm... are they for real?
I hope I missed something.


A clock really? Why didn't anyone get Jackson any play food to go with his kitchen? I know he got Ellie's old crap, but play food is what makes a kitchen fun. I couldn't make it all the way through the video. I just can hardly stand Ellie's voice anymore. They will probably be like DBs to me soon, who I can't stomach but just read about on here.


They got him the Melissa & Doug pizza party set, pots & pans for the kitchen, and plastic plates/cups/etc. And the clock. Ellie also brought out a box of the old play food that she used as a kid.
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