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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby ewokfan11 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:23 pm

As everyone else here has said: They're seriously nuts! I don't even know why they still seem on the fence about that "doctor." There are PLENTY of great pediatricians in PDX, so it's annoying they want to go "all natural" simply because they think it's trendy and hipster. :roll: :roll: :roll:

That poor kid will get sick and probably suffer longer because that tincture K&C give her isn't REAL medicine. They REALLY need vaccines because whooping cough has been a serious problem in Portland recently and they plan to use public transportation. A friend in PDX was out of work for more than a month last year with it.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby alyssadt » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:49 pm

HashtagBlessed wrote:And Corbin continues to prove over and over again that he is a complete moron. Why would a naturopathic doctor have admitting privileged at a medical hospital? The naturopathic "doctor" didn't go to medical school. They don't have an MD. Of course their scope of practice is limited, and the hospital is smart not to take on that liability. I think it's their perogative to pay whomever they want for their health care, but the fact that Corbin can't comprehend why the two are treated differently by a hospital system is just baffling.



Not defending them, but if she is a D.O. practicing naturiopathic medicine... then she Did go to medical school.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby HashtagBlessed » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:23 pm

alyssadt wrote:
HashtagBlessed wrote:And Corbin continues to prove over and over again that he is a complete moron. Why would a naturopathic doctor have admitting privileged at a medical hospital? The naturopathic "doctor" didn't go to medical school. They don't have an MD. Of course their scope of practice is limited, and the hospital is smart not to take on that liability. I think it's their perogative to pay whomever they want for their health care, but the fact that Corbin can't comprehend why the two are treated differently by a hospital system is just baffling.



Not defending them, but if she is a D.O. practicing naturiopathic medicine... then she Did go to medical school.


This is what I wrote on the previous page of this thread:

"They should be looking for a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO). It is a professional degree for physicians in medical school. They have the same admitting privileged and rights as an MD. A Doctor of Naturopathy is NOT the same as a DO. A Doctor of Naturopathy does not attend an accredited medical school and does not need to complete a residency, except in the state of Utah. The DN they're looking at has no clinical experience in a hospital, hence the lack of admitting privilege."

A physician with a DO degree does not practice Naturopathy and would never call themselves a naturopathic doctor. They're different accreditations with different requirements and different philosophies. A DO is for all intents and purposes equivalent to an MD. If the "doctor" they saw calls herself an DN and does not have admitting privileged, she's not a DO.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby HashtagBlessed » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:52 pm

Furthermore, I just can't understand two adults who choose their child's pediatrician based on the tea selection, the lighting, the couches, and the other superficial things they listed. If they're in an emergency health situation, they have to go to the emergency room if their pediatrician doesn't have admitting privileges. And if they are on Oregon's medicaid program, they'll have a primary care doctor designated on their insurance cards and then they'll need a referral to see the naturopathic doctor if they want any of their claims reimbursed. They randomly admitted in a recent video that they never got their insurance information after signing up? I hope they got that resolved. That's kind of a big deal.

"We'll have to do a different video on that" is code for "we don't want to fully express our beliefs because we don't want to alienate viewers or deal with the backlash."

I shouldn't be surprised that they don't understand why the ND doesn't have "every right a normal doctor does" because they clearly don't understand that an accredited medical school and an accredited Naturopathic school are two very different programs.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby Playsinrain » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:12 pm

HashtagBlessed wrote:Furthermore, I just can't understand two adults who choose their child's pediatrician based on the tea selection, the lighting, the couches, and the other superficial things they listed. If they're in an emergency health situation, they have to go to the emergency room if their pediatrician doesn't have admitting privileges. And if they are on Oregon's medicaid program, they'll have a primary care doctor designated on their insurance cards and then they'll need a referral to see the naturopathic doctor if they want any of their claims reimbursed. They randomly admitted in a recent video that they never got their insurance information after signing up? I hope they got that resolved. That's kind of a big deal.

"We'll have to do a different video on that" is code for "we don't want to fully express our beliefs because we don't want to alienate viewers or deal with the backlash."

I shouldn't be surprised that they don't understand why the ND doesn't have "every right a normal doctor does" because they clearly don't understand that an accredited medical school and an accredited Naturopathic school are two very different programs.


I completely agree, while yes the amenities the dr provides in the waiting room are nice, they aren't going to be a deciding factor in who my child's dr is going to be (well unless I like them both equally and need something to break the tie so to speak lol, but it's not going to bear weight on my decision) and this is literally the only positive thing they had to say about this dr! They clearly have not done any research on NDs vs MD's vs DO's and really should before they make major decisions about their child's health care based on how comfy the couch is in the waiting room.

Vaccine talk is like circumcisism talk. No matter what side you are on someone is going to think you are dead wrong and will chastise you for it. I think it's smart for all family vloggers to keep those decisions to themselves.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby lmmomSD » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:05 pm

Personal but with a point: I took care of a baby once in the PICU that some back country non certified midwife delivered at home. They had to do CPR when he was born. Still didn't call 911. Midwife gave them Rescue Remedy (a Bach "flower essence") and potassium supplements. Finally he got so sick that they brought him into the ER with neonatal sepsis. The pediatrician yelled at them for being so stupid and careless with their child's health. We saved him, but I still think about him and wonder if he had residual damage. The parents were these Texas Hill country hippies. Remind me of these two. So obsessed with being hip and "natural", but actually very clueless. Naturopathic medicine does have a role it can play in healthcare. But choosing your child's doctor based on the tea and the waiting room rather than actual research, is just stupid. There are so many sites that rate doctors. These two make me twitch.

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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby alyssadt » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:29 pm

HashtagBlessed wrote:
alyssadt wrote:
HashtagBlessed wrote:And Corbin continues to prove over and over again that he is a complete moron. Why would a naturopathic doctor have admitting privileged at a medical hospital? The naturopathic "doctor" didn't go to medical school. They don't have an MD. Of course their scope of practice is limited, and the hospital is smart not to take on that liability. I think it's their perogative to pay whomever they want for their health care, but the fact that Corbin can't comprehend why the two are treated differently by a hospital system is just baffling.



Not defending them, but if she is a D.O. practicing naturiopathic medicine... then she Did go to medical school.


This is what I wrote on the previous page of this thread:

"They should be looking for a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO). It is a professional degree for physicians in medical school. They have the same admitting privileged and rights as an MD. A Doctor of Naturopathy is NOT the same as a DO. A Doctor of Naturopathy does not attend an accredited medical school and does not need to complete a residency, except in the state of Utah. The DN they're looking at has no clinical experience in a hospital, hence the lack of admitting privilege."

A physician with a DO degree does not practice Naturopathy and would never call themselves a naturopathic doctor. They're different accreditations with different requirements and different philosophies. A DO is for all intents and purposes equivalent to an MD. If the "doctor" they saw calls herself an DN and does not have admitting privileged, she's not a DO.



Whoops. Sorry, didn't see you replied that!
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby Playsinrain » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:38 am

lmmomSD wrote:Personal but with a point: I took care of a baby once in the PICU that some back country non certified midwife delivered at home. They had to do CPR when he was born. Still didn't call 911. Midwife gave them Rescue Remedy (a Bach "flower essence") and potassium supplements. Finally he got so sick that they brought him into the ER with neonatal sepsis. The pediatrician yelled at them for being so stupid and careless with their child's health. We saved him, but I still think about him and wonder if he had residual damage. The parents were these Texas Hill country hippies. Remind me of these two. So obsessed with being hip and "natural", but actually very clueless. Naturopathic medicine does have a role it can play in healthcare. But choosing your child's doctor based on the tea and the waiting room rather than actual research, is just stupid. There are so many sites that rate doctors. These two make me twitch.

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Was it Lucy and Joel? kidding kidding.. (but this was the first thing that came to mind) I hope the baby is healthy as a horse now and his parents realize what a blessing modern medicine really is..
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby HashtagBlessed » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:07 pm

Snow molecules trap particulars from car exhaust. So by eating a big bowl of it you are essentially eating toxic pollutants like benzene, toluene and ethylbenzene, and other pollutants released in the atmosphere. Yuck. It's not harmful per se, but still gross, especially since they pretend they're so conscious about what they put in their bodies.

The idea of Kelsey and Corbin doing a series on BabyLeague that's "educational" is hilarious.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby melonyogloo » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:40 pm

I got curious and went to BabyLeague to watch the trailer. In the description, it says, "Thrilled to welcome Corbin and Kelsey (of Steps to Wander) who will share their joy of pregnancy, new parenthood and their passion for sustainable living starting January 25th!" When did these two snowflakes live a sustainable life?
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby ewokfan11 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:55 pm

HashtagBlessed wrote:The idea of Kelsey and Corbin doing a series on BabyLeague that's "educational" is hilarious.


Exactly! And it's about being sustainable and organic?! Like driving an old, clunky, gas-guzzler across the country because they couldn't afford rent in Portland without jobs? Or how they are buying all new cheap "wood" furniture from Amazon instead of buying things locally or second-hand (Portland does have some great thrift shops)?? I'm sure all those meals they eat out are organic, right??!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

I can think of anything they do that strikes me as sustainable or organic. I mean, the only reason they don't have a car is because they can't afford one.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby HashtagBlessed » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:09 pm

ewokfan11 wrote:
HashtagBlessed wrote:The idea of Kelsey and Corbin doing a series on BabyLeague that's "educational" is hilarious.


Exactly! And it's about being sustainable and organic?! Like driving an old, clunky, gas-guzzler across the country because they couldn't afford rent in Portland without jobs? Or how they are buying all new cheap "wood" furniture from Amazon instead of buying things locally or second-hand (Portland does have some great thrift shops)?? I'm sure all those meals they eat out are organic, right??!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

I can think of anything they do that strikes me as sustainable or organic. I mean, the only reason they don't have a car is because they can't afford one.


I love that Corbin was going on about the "grain" in the "wood" on their Amazon stools. Dude. You paid $50 a piece for those stools. It's either engineered wood or cheap pine. LOL They're really trying to achieve this hip, modern look but they can't be bothered to track down interesting, unique, quality pieces. So they just find the mass produced version new on Amazon.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby lmmomSD » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:36 pm

My cousin would get such a laugh out of these two! She started a zero waste webpage, gardens and composts, takes reusable packages to the grocery store to get her bulk items like flour and sugar, and has her family of five down to throwing away hardly anything, because of the composting and recycling. These two are a joke. They only seem to be interested in the "sustainable" life because it's hip and gimmicky. If they were _really_ interested, they would have aimed for a rental with room for a garden-- any garden, even if it was a container garden. And as has been said, they would be looking for quality used furniture. Not going to Amazon, that uses valuable resources for packing, shipping, and delivery. They have no clue what they're talking about. And that's bad because it makes people who really are trying to leave the planet a better place look like idiots too

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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby Pency » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:52 pm

Playsinrain wrote:
HashtagBlessed wrote:Furthermore, I just can't understand two adults who choose their child's pediatrician based on the tea selection, the lighting, the couches, and the other superficial things they listed. If they're in an emergency health situation, they have to go to the emergency room if their pediatrician doesn't have admitting privileges. And if they are on Oregon's medicaid program, they'll have a primary care doctor designated on their insurance cards and then they'll need a referral to see the naturopathic doctor if they want any of their claims reimbursed. They randomly admitted in a recent video that they never got their insurance information after signing up? I hope they got that resolved. That's kind of a big deal.

"We'll have to do a different video on that" is code for "we don't want to fully express our beliefs because we don't want to alienate viewers or deal with the backlash."

I shouldn't be surprised that they don't understand why the ND doesn't have "every right a normal doctor does" because they clearly don't understand that an accredited medical school and an accredited Naturopathic school are two very different programs.


I completely agree, while yes the amenities the dr provides in the waiting room are nice, they aren't going to be a deciding factor in who my child's dr is going to be (well unless I like them both equally and need something to break the tie so to speak lol, but it's not going to bear weight on my decision) and this is literally the only positive thing they had to say about this dr! They clearly have not done any research on NDs vs MD's vs DO's and really should before they make major decisions about their child's health care based on how comfy the couch is in the waiting room.

Vaccine talk is like circumcisism talk. No matter what side you are on someone is going to think you are dead wrong and will chastise you for it. I think it's smart for all family vloggers to keep those decisions to themselves.


Oh, but don't forget, Kelsey hates any medical setting! She will freak out! The baby needs to go to the doctor where there is soft lighting and candles.

It makes me LOL so hard that they are "sustainable" and "organic" yet they have literally everything shipped to them from Amazon. These two are ridiculous.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby HashtagBlessed » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:37 am

I find it amusing that they haven't mentioned the fact that the storm that dumped all that snow on Portland is named Winter Storm Juniper. They really don't pay attention.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby summerlee » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:07 pm

HashtagBlessed wrote:I find it amusing that they haven't mentioned the fact that the storm that dumped all that snow on Portland is named Winter Storm Juniper. They really don't pay attention.


I think it's actually "Winter Storm Jupiter", not Juniper :)
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby ewokfan11 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:50 pm

summerlee wrote:
HashtagBlessed wrote:I find it amusing that they haven't mentioned the fact that the storm that dumped all that snow on Portland is named Winter Storm Juniper. They really don't pay attention.


I think it's actually "Winter Storm Jupiter", not Juniper :)


That's one of the confusion issues I have with the name. People will also think her name is "Jennifer."

When Kelsey said she loved the name Willow the other day, I sort of thought that Corbin must have picked Juniper. Willow would be 1000% better than Juniper.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby Strawberry26 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:45 pm

I sure hope the her trying to slide in today's vlog was a joke, I hope she is not sliding down slopes. She do come off as someone who would do that.

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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby HashtagBlessed » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:03 am

Ah, Jupiter. My mistake. Now I'm wondering if people are going to look at the name "Juniper" and read it as Jupiter.

Yes, now I think Kelsey wanted to use Willow and it got vetoed.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby ewokfan11 » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:34 am

I'm curious how they screwed up their health insurance. Mine (also through ACA) went through just fine. I'm guessing they didn't signup or pay in time - notice he said he put it on a credit card...yikes!!
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby HashtagBlessed » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:44 am

I can't believe Corbin was yelling and cursing at the customer service rep. They didn't pay their premium and they never got their cards, and they waited until NOW to sort this out? These two are believable. I hope they both have to work customer service jobs one day where assholes verbally abuse them. It sounds like they waited until the last minute to enroll and didn't stay on top of when they needed to make their first payment. Everything these two do is a procrastination mess.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby HashtagBlessed » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:01 pm

ewokfan11 wrote:I'm curious how they screwed up their health insurance. Mine (also through ACA) went through just fine. I'm guessing they didn't signup or pay in time - notice he said he put it on a credit card...yikes!!


Yep, my husband got his health insurance through the ACA exchange for a few years before we were married. He's not the most organized or detail oriented person, but he always managed to sort that out.

Enrollment opened Nov. 1 and closed Dec. 15th for 2017 coverage if you wanted coverage to start Jan. 1. But they technically had until Jan. 31 I thought to enroll before they would need a qualifying event. I think they probably missed the Dec. 15 deadline but were expecting to get coverage Jan. 1. The rep probably told them their coverage wouldn't kick in until February and that scared them. What the hell else does Corbin have to do all day? He can stay on hold until he gets it sorted out. If they had waited to get pregnant until they had health insurance, they could have avoided this time crunch.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby PopTheButterfly » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:08 pm

HashtagBlessed wrote:
ewokfan11 wrote:I'm curious how they screwed up their health insurance. Mine (also through ACA) went through just fine. I'm guessing they didn't signup or pay in time - notice he said he put it on a credit card...yikes!!


Yep, my husband got his health insurance through the ACA exchange for a few years before we were married. He's not the most organized or detail oriented person, but he always managed to sort that out.

Enrollment opened Nov. 1 and closed Dec. 15th for 2017 coverage if you wanted coverage to start Jan. 1. But they technically had until Jan. 31 I thought to enroll before they would need a qualifying event. I think they probably missed the Dec. 15 deadline but were expecting to get coverage Jan. 1. The rep probably told them their coverage wouldn't kick in until February and that scared them. What the hell else does Corbin have to do all day? He can stay on hold until he gets it sorted out. If they had waited to get pregnant until they had health insurance, they could have avoided this time crunch.

And even if Corbin did have a verifiable job then Kelsey could have done it or at least most of the work since she doesn't have a job right now (correct me if I'm wrong about her employment status). I've been out of work since October because I got married, quit my job, and moved. I've managed to do a ton of insurance things and name changes and a passport since October on top of having surgery and maintaining a clean house. I still have tons of time before my husband gets home to do extra things.

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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby HashtagBlessed » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:31 pm

PopTheButterfly wrote:
HashtagBlessed wrote:
ewokfan11 wrote:I'm curious how they screwed up their health insurance. Mine (also through ACA) went through just fine. I'm guessing they didn't signup or pay in time - notice he said he put it on a credit card...yikes!!


Yep, my husband got his health insurance through the ACA exchange for a few years before we were married. He's not the most organized or detail oriented person, but he always managed to sort that out.

Enrollment opened Nov. 1 and closed Dec. 15th for 2017 coverage if you wanted coverage to start Jan. 1. But they technically had until Jan. 31 I thought to enroll before they would need a qualifying event. I think they probably missed the Dec. 15 deadline but were expecting to get coverage Jan. 1. The rep probably told them their coverage wouldn't kick in until February and that scared them. What the hell else does Corbin have to do all day? He can stay on hold until he gets it sorted out. If they had waited to get pregnant until they had health insurance, they could have avoided this time crunch.

And even if Corbin did have a verifiable job then Kelsey could have done it or at least most of the work since she doesn't have a job right now (correct me if I'm wrong about her employment status). I've been out of work since October because I got married, quit my job, and moved. I've managed to do a ton of insurance things and name changes and a passport since October on top of having surgery and maintaining a clean house. I still have tons of time before my husband gets home to do extra things.

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Yep, I was out of work for the time between Christmas and the New Year due to holiday leave and I orchestrated and managed a house move and the renovations on our new place. It's amazing what you can get done with time off if you're used to working. I don't think Kelsey has had worked consistently as an adult and they don't seem to have any time management skills.
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Re: Steps to Wander

Postby PopTheButterfly » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:43 pm

Exactly. I get she's pregnant and they've had a lot to do like moving and getting baby stuff but seriously we both did too and we managed to do it. At this rate they're not going to get anything done when the baby comes. Also, if they've not had insurance this whole pregnancy how are they paying for all the doctor visits and ultrasounds you have to have when pregnant? And on another topic, if they are doing that baby league channel are they going to attempt cloth diapering? That would be a huge sustainable thing that people would be looking for in their new show.

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