THANK YOU. I'll admit I wasn't a big fan of all the school being missed at first, but the outrage here is ridiculous. I don't care for Bonnie by any means, but people are really reaching here.Namm wrote:I for once don't agree or understand the anger popping up from everywhere. I really don't think that the children will suffer so much missing school especially at their age, the'll catch up. Let the family live, just once. I'm sure they won't be doing this every month. The only ones I feel sotty for are probably the teachers...
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It is a bit crazy that Olivia and Cody will have only gone to school about 12 days TOTAL from end of March to the end of the school year in Logan. That's a lot of absences.
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can you elaborate on what you think the reaching here is?Caisflame wrote:THANK YOU. I'll admit I wasn't a big fan of all the school being missed at first, but the outrage here is ridiculous. I don't care for Bonnie by any means, but people are really reaching here.Namm wrote:I for once don't agree or understand the anger popping up from everywhere. I really don't think that the children will suffer so much missing school especially at their age, the'll catch up. Let the family live, just once. I'm sure they won't be doing this every month. The only ones I feel sotty for are probably the teachers...
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Are there laws about missed school days in UT?
Here in Ireland a child can miss, I think 21 days only without proper reason (family emergency, illness etc), before action is taken. If parents still don't fix the child's attendance then they can be fined or imprisoned.
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I'm happy that them having so much new money will give the children new experiences. But there is no reason these trips can't happen in the summer. I have to disagree that them missing school at this age will have little affect on them and that they'll catch up easily. It's a lot more difficult than you think. That's just my opinion based on my experience with children who have missed 1-2 months of school at Cody and Olivia's age.Namm wrote:I for once don't agree or understand the anger popping up from everywhere. I really don't think that the children will suffer so much missing school especially at their age, the'll catch up. Let the family live, just once. I'm sure they won't be doing this every month. The only ones I feel sotty for are probably the teachers...
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I found this on Utahs truancy laws https://www.utah.gov/pmn/files/75967.pdf
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We don't actually know that the principal didn't approve the days off though. Bonnie doesn't appear to have faced any consequences thus far, and a teacher from Logan posted here a few weeks ago saying how common it was for kids to miss school, so I don't think social workers are about to come knocking on her door anytime soon.alym0326 wrote:I found this on Utahs truancy laws https://www.utah.gov/pmn/files/75967.pdf
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I think taking another vacation right after having a month off is a bad idea, but I don't think its something the kids are unable to recover from. I agree with the posters saying it's becoming a bit overblown.
I cannot honestly say I wouldn't be tempted to take advantage of a free dream vacation either. They've said they think this "blessing" is temporary, and I can't blame them for making the most of it while they can. They are taking the kids because they want to experience it with them. They aren't bad parents for that at all, just possibly misguided and getting carried away.
What are your credential Alym? How many years of teaching do you have behind these supposed findings that the kids will be set back years?
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Where I live if you take your student out of school for over 5 days you go on independent study. It doesn't count as absences and the school still collects their money.
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I can't believe people think Olivia & Cody missing this much school is no big deal. I used to miss 1 week of school each year from 6-14 years old to go to Disney world for cheerleading nationals. My teachers would give a packet of homework for each subject. I was never a fast learner & it took me some time catching on to things even with my teachers. My sister on the other hand was on the honor roll list every single year & even she had a hard time trying to catch up with homework when we went on those trips. Like other people have said it's completely different learning in school form teachers than it is having your parents help you. & there is nothing educational about a trip to Disneyland. There is no reason this couldn't have waited a few more weeks.
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I assume the kids were reluctantly allowed the time off from the teacher based off of what Bonnie stated when they went to Hawaii.IceCreamCone wrote:We don't actually know that the principal didn't approve the days off though. Bonnie doesn't appear to have faced any consequences thus far, and a teacher from Logan posted here a few weeks ago saying how common it was for kids to miss school, so I don't think social workers are about to come knocking on her door anytime soon.alym0326 wrote:I found this on Utahs truancy laws https://www.utah.gov/pmn/files/75967.pdf
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I think taking another vacation right after having a month off is a bad idea, but I don't think its something the kids are unable to recover from. I agree with the posters saying it's becoming a bit overblown.
I cannot honestly say I wouldn't be tempted to take advantage of a free dream vacation either. They've said they think this "blessing" is temporary, and I can't blame them for making the most of it while they can. They are taking the kids because they want to experience it with them. They aren't bad parents for that at all, just possibly misguided and getting carried away.
What are your credential Alym? How many years of teaching do you have behind these supposed findings that the kids will be set back years?
I can understand taking a vacation like this if it was a once in a lifetime opportunity. But it's not, the Hawaii month long vacation was their idea and planned. They easily could have chosen to do it in the summer, but they just didn't want to. They also could have said no to the sponsorship, they had to know before hand when it was going to be so they knew it was during the school year. It's not like they won this from some company and this is the only time they can go.
Also, no one (myself included) has said or even implied the kids would be set back years from this... I think they will miss fundamental lessons that will impact their learning in the future. Right now Cody is learning the basics of reading. I have an early childhood education diploma and have been tutoring children since July, many of which are coming to the tutoring centre because they have had to miss school due to leaving the country due to family emergencies.
ETA: so I have 5 years of experience working with children since beginning my post secondary education. But almost 1 year working specifically to tutor children.
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Sorry double post! I will say that if this was just a random trip & they missed a week or 2 of school for a family vacation it's not a huge deal but they literally just got back from Hawaii like wtf?!
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can you elaborate on what you think the reaching here is?Blehmieux wrote: THANK YOU. I'll admit I wasn't a big fan of all the school being missed at first, but the outrage here is ridiculous. I don't care for Bonnie by any means, but people are really reaching here.
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If I had to guess it's probably writing the kids off as being screwed as adults now and hopelessly behind. Olivia will be a mom and the boys will be handymen. (Then again, I don't think theres anything wrong with that if that's what they want).
We have no proof they are irreparably damaged.
We have no clue whether the principal supports Bonnie's decision or not. Just that Olivia's teacher did not. (But Cody's did).
We have no clue whether they are saving for the kids' future or not. People are just assuming they aren't, but they have undoubtedly paid off their vehicles and home by now. They have no childcare fees, school fees, etc. They are undoubtedly saving money.
Yes it is a poor decision to have the kids miss so much school, but the outrage over it is OTT in my opinion. This is something I would side eye in my everyday life, but not something I would think made them less loving (or more negligent) parents, or something CPS should be knocking the door down over. I feel sorry for the teachers, but I really do think the kids will be fine. People have said on these boards for awhile now that Olivia can't even read, and we've seen her read a few times now, so that just isn't the case. She's a bright girl. I also don't think it's going to be a regular thing based on how embarrassed and concerned Bonnie was about how it seemed.
Then again, I don't care if they do travel in the summer too. I agree they should milk this for all it's worth and travel more if they have the opportunity. Just take along a tutor or teacher's assistant to help fill in the gaps while they are gone. Talk to the school! I watch for interesting vlogs, and travel vlogs are definitely more interesting, which benefits me
I don't get the whole watch to hate thing and at this point its pretty clear that's what most people are doing.
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Here's what I kind of judge:
Taking the kids out of school AGAIN. (And I didn't really have a problem with them leaving for the month, but this is just too much)
Leaving the toddler at home (I mean, he's in good hands I think but I could just never do it)
Stating (even IF it's true) that she FORGOT about the timing of the trip to Disneyland!
Going to Disneyland period (and that's completely just because I've never had any desire to do Disney and would find it so overwhelming and exhausting; I get that lots of people would be thrilled)
Another "surprise" trip
Here's what I like:
Them spending time with Beau and family (I don't know much about them but they seem really decent)
The way Bonnie and Joel's kids remain humble and gracious throughout all this
The way Bonnie does seem to acknowledge at least some of her privilege
The way the family loves each other
I still haven't reached the point where I'd say Bonnie has become jaded or greedy or whatever like all the other bigtime vloggers. I hope I'm right.
Taking the kids out of school AGAIN. (And I didn't really have a problem with them leaving for the month, but this is just too much)
Leaving the toddler at home (I mean, he's in good hands I think but I could just never do it)
Stating (even IF it's true) that she FORGOT about the timing of the trip to Disneyland!
Going to Disneyland period (and that's completely just because I've never had any desire to do Disney and would find it so overwhelming and exhausting; I get that lots of people would be thrilled)
Another "surprise" trip
Here's what I like:
Them spending time with Beau and family (I don't know much about them but they seem really decent)
The way Bonnie and Joel's kids remain humble and gracious throughout all this
The way Bonnie does seem to acknowledge at least some of her privilege
The way the family loves each other
I still haven't reached the point where I'd say Bonnie has become jaded or greedy or whatever like all the other bigtime vloggers. I hope I'm right.
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How can kids do online schooling successfully when they can barely even read?jaynshann wrote:I think she obviously could have planned better, but if she knew her plan was month off, week back, week off she should've pulled them before Hawaii and enrolled them as online homeschoolers. She's commented she can't even handle homework with them. Put them online. At least it would have given them more of a thorough end of the year education.
I am a teacher in one of the worst areas for education in the country, and the only students who do worse than the lowest-achieving public school students are those attending online school.
I feel like this issue is one that most people in education can understand. If kids miss fundamentals in lower grades, it has a domino effect. They will fall behind. The things that kids learn in the early years are super important - probably the MOST important skills that actually apply to real life! Reading, spelling, grammar, basic math! Kids can't just miss one month of that or more when they've never had a background in it before and their parents aren't supporting them. Everything in the latter years of school is based off these concepts. It's not even up for debate. Studies will show that kids who fall behind this early stay behind, no matter anyone here's personal opinion on "only" missing a month of kindergarten or first grade. This isn't the kids not turning in one book report in fourth grade after they've already built a solid foundation in reading for four years, or missing a math test in third grade when they already know how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide. This is them not even learning how to do those things that they will need to do for the next 11-12 years in school, and if they do not learn it now, when will they? Unless Bonnie and Joel are proactive enough to actually buckle down and make sure their kids learn it or arrange tutoring for them, the concepts they miss will be permanent gaps in their education.
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I agree with all of this.natalka81 wrote:Here's what I kind of judge:
Taking the kids out of school AGAIN. (And I didn't really have a problem with them leaving for the month, but this is just too much)
Leaving the toddler at home (I mean, he's in good hands I think but I could just never do it)
Stating (even IF it's true) that she FORGOT about the timing of the trip to Disneyland!
Going to Disneyland period (and that's completely just because I've never had any desire to do Disney and would find it so overwhelming and exhausting; I get that lots of people would be thrilled)
Another "surprise" trip
Here's what I like:
Them spending time with Beau and family (I don't know much about them but they seem really decent)
The way Bonnie and Joel's kids remain humble and gracious throughout all this
The way Bonnie does seem to acknowledge at least some of her privilege
The way the family loves each other
I still haven't reached the point where I'd say Bonnie has become jaded or greedy or whatever like all the other bigtime vloggers. I hope I'm right.
Unlike a lot of the other YT vloggers, Bonnie and Joel struggled for years to raise a family and maintain a home on a single income. They had to prioritize things, and deny themselves and their kids a lot. Joel and his old phone, not taking vacations, etc. I can imagine it is really hard to not take advantage of every opportunity now to fulfill things that once were only dreams. I like that most of these decisions, are based around the kids and not just Bonnie and Joel. They would love to take a cruise, but have chose to take family trips instead.
I still like Bonnie and Joel. I think this was impulsive and probably taking the vacations a bit far. But I still really enjoy them, and will watch the Disneyland blogs.
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LOVE how the only thing you guys replied to was the "Are we jealous or genuinely annoyed" - Like, that whole essay on School/travel and the only thing you reply "We Are Not Jealous" lol IT WAS A JOKE. But the way you all acting seems your jealous.
Who the fuck cares that they are missing more school. Really, who cares. I hope they continue to travel. Idgaf. They are good, bright kids. Ya'll reach for anything.
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Who the fuck cares that they are missing more school. Really, who cares. I hope they continue to travel. Idgaf. They are good, bright kids. Ya'll reach for anything.
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Couldn't agree more! There is NO way that spending an hour or two on a few worksheets every day replaces the 8 hours of academic and social learning inside of the classroom.fossilfinger wrote:How can kids do online schooling successfully when they can barely even read?jaynshann wrote:I think she obviously could have planned better, but if she knew her plan was month off, week back, week off she should've pulled them before Hawaii and enrolled them as online homeschoolers. She's commented she can't even handle homework with them. Put them online. At least it would have given them more of a thorough end of the year education.
I am a teacher in one of the worst areas for education in the country, and the only students who do worse than the lowest-achieving public school students are those attending online school.
I feel like this issue is one that most people in education can understand. If kids miss fundamentals in lower grades, it has a domino effect. They will fall behind. The things that kids learn in the early years are super important - probably the MOST important skills that actually apply to real life! Reading, spelling, grammar, basic math! Kids can't just miss one month of that or more when they've never had a background in it before and their parents aren't supporting them. Everything in the latter years of school is based off these concepts. It's not even up for debate. Studies will show that kids who fall behind this early stay behind, no matter anyone here's personal opinion on "only" missing a month of kindergarten or first grade. This isn't the kids not turning in one book report in fourth grade after they've already built a solid foundation in reading for four years, or missing a math test in third grade when they already know how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide. This is them not even learning how to do those things that they will need to do for the next 11-12 years in school, and if they do not learn it now, when will they? Unless Bonnie and Joel are proactive enough to actually buckle down and make sure their kids learn it or arrange tutoring for them, the concepts they miss will be permanent gaps in their education.
It might seem over the top to be so bothered by Bonnie and Joel taking the kids out of school but I speak for myself and likely others here who are frustrated with youtubing adults who out the "job" and making new before other things... School and personal privacy to name a few....
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And Cody was behind in the first place, because Bonnie didn't care enough about his education to teach him his letters and beginning skills until a week before kindergarten. My problem is the utter disregard for education. "It doesn't matter that your teacher who knows you and your skills think it's a bad idea. It's what I want to do" It's not something neglectful, and nobody here is saying it is, or remotely suggesting CPS be called. But we're the ones "reaching". (I hate that term) It's just our opinions. Go ahead and disagree. That's fine. But discuss the disagreement, not the people who have the opinion.
And I don't believe for a minute that she forgot about Disneyland.
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This is going to come off sounding really bad but...why do people keep saying that they're smart, bright kids? I think that they're normal kids at best, certainly not academically gifted or far ahead for their ages. And the reason for that isn't because of the kids themselves, but because of their parents not prioritizing their education. They have every opportunity to be miles ahead of their peers, what with two stay at home parents and a shiny new youtube income, but hey at least they got to go to Disneyland!
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As a teacher, I can tell you that no principal or teacher is ever happy about absences. For a principal, attendance % is published and it can even affect a school's rating. Secondly, when students miss days it takes a lot of time for teachers to gather work for those days he/she will be gone. It is not just one student who is absent each day. It is typically many different students, several days a week, at least if you're like me and teach middle school.
My principal, who is extremely well-liked and laid back, just had a mini-rant about the excessive absences this year. The thing is, parents can keep having days of absences excused with a simple dr. or dentist's note. We don't give work until the student RETURNS from their vacation because a lot of the time the parents never pick up the work or it isn't completed. The vacation is a privilege, but they can still get full credit after they return. The sad part is, the children are the ones being harmed most in all of this. I see students who are years behind their peers and they'll be the ones struggling to find jobs. I have middle schoolers who cannot tell time because they missed 20 days each year in elem. school. Now, they are learning long division of decimals and the Pythagorean Theorem, but sadly, their teachers can't stop to teach them how to count minutes on an analog clock.
Bonnie and Joel need a serious wake-up call. With their money, they can afford to wait for another "brand deal" or just take a trip to D-land later, even if they say travel costs are higher in the summer. The Hoellein kids are cute and humble, but that's not going to get them anywhere in life when they need to make a living.
As a teacher, I can tell you that no principal or teacher is ever happy about absences. For a principal, attendance % is published and it can even affect a school's rating. Secondly, when students miss days it takes a lot of time for teachers to gather work for those days he/she will be gone. It is not just one student who is absent each day. It is typically many different students, several days a week, at least if you're like me and teach middle school.
My principal, who is extremely well-liked and laid back, just had a mini-rant about the excessive absences this year. The thing is, parents can keep having days of absences excused with a simple dr. or dentist's note. We don't give work until the student RETURNS from their vacation because a lot of the time the parents never pick up the work or it isn't completed. The vacation is a privilege, but they can still get full credit after they return. The sad part is, the children are the ones being harmed most in all of this. I see students who are years behind their peers and they'll be the ones struggling to find jobs. I have middle schoolers who cannot tell time because they missed 20 days each year in elem. school. Now, they are learning long division of decimals and the Pythagorean Theorem, but sadly, their teachers can't stop to teach them how to count minutes on an analog clock.
Bonnie and Joel need a serious wake-up call. With their money, they can afford to wait for another "brand deal" or just take a trip to D-land later, even if they say travel costs are higher in the summer. The Hoellein kids are cute and humble, but that's not going to get them anywhere in life when they need to make a living.