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E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby beachygirly » Mon May 15, 2017 8:52 pm

Sorry if that question is confusing. What I'm asking is: Do you think this pregnancy announcement video is being received more positively or negatively by viewers? I haven't checked the likes vs. dislikes or comments recently but I wonder if this will negatively impact them YouTube-wise.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Hashtagsoblessed » Mon May 15, 2017 9:02 pm

Wow it's sad that they have to cook up a sceme like this to get views and $. Tried to give them the benefit of the doubt as we only see a small portion of their real lives. But COME ON. This just screams fake. I feel so bad for the IVF grant winners who are roped into this shit storm.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby MandyJ » Mon May 15, 2017 9:02 pm

Ok so best case scenario is this is all the 100% truth and they are "just" insensitive assholes who are so self involved they didn't think about how hurtful it was to call people struggling with IF and/or losses on fucking Mother's Day.

I just can't with the commenters keep going on and on about how they were "just being considerate" by letting them know before the video was live. That is an absolute cop out because they could have at least waited a couple of freaking days to post the video so they could still give them a heads up but AFTER Mother's Day. Just because they vlog daily doesn't mean they literally have to announce the next day. Many vloggers wait, including Missy! They didn't announce for weeks with Finn!

Again, ridiculous that the Lumps are a good example on how to act.

My theory is, I don't think they are literally faking that she's pregnant (at least I hope not, bc that's a new low. I have literally never even hate watched Sam & Nia since their obviously fake miscarriage and scandal with Ashley Madison and verbally attacking Cullen. I was D-O-N-E done.)

Anyway, what I think is the most likely scenario is those are the infamous evap lines that blue dye plus sign tests tend to have. Yes, even within the time frame. Happened to me my first ever cycle trying for baby #1. I took a digital and FRER and they were negative and lo and behold, my period showed up 2 days later. I learned my lesson and never used a blue dye again, and even very clearly there pink dye tests I back up with a digital before even believing it myself let alone telling ANYONE else!

So I think she just assumes she is pregnant because it looks kinda like a very faint positive (and she has so convinced herself she was pregnant anyway)and Jared touched up the photo for the thumbnail to make it look "better" but still believes it because Ellie does (but is probably a bit skeptical since it's so faint, and that's why he wasn't emotional)

And when her period comes she's going to make a big deal about her "chemical pregnancy" or "miscarriage" and milk it for ALLL it's worth!


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby ewokfan11 » Mon May 15, 2017 9:04 pm

Wait a second...did I miss something from their original trip to the fertility specialist?? The doctor NEVER SAID she has PCOS!! Just said she "might" and the doctors never mentioned it again. Then, BAM, she was pregnant with Jackson within a month! Yes, they were on Femara(sp?) and were being monitored, but no injections and they conceived just by regular ol' sex. I guess I'm missing how their IF journey was THAT HARD. I think they were just doing "it" (yes, the sex part) wrong before.... :?

The description from that video: Our first visit with the Fertility Specialist. We got a lot of good information! We were told that I had PCOS and my Doctor did a great job explaining exactly what PCOS is.

Ellie is so dumb and uneducated now - and it was WAY worse in 2013!!!!! She was asking Jared about fertility stuff??! And all the gum-smacking!

Here's that video (I think someone was asking about it here recently): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-umuDoc3iM

Sorry if this is old news. I never really watched them until recently. I was just curious and wanted to see old videos.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby MandyJ » Mon May 15, 2017 9:09 pm

beachygirly wrote:Sorry if that question is confusing. What I'm asking is: Do you think this pregnancy announcement video is being received more positively or negatively by viewers? I haven't checked the likes vs. dislikes or comments recently but I wonder if this will negatively impact them YouTube-wise.


Still mostly positive because they have delusional minions and a bunch of kids that don't really understand how it works, so don't see the writing on the wall.

There are over 500 thumbs down, but 28,000 thumbs up.

They are working hard deleting comments calling them out, and those comments are getting a lot of thumbs up before they are deleted, though.

I had the comments loaded on my phone and then came back to it an hour later so I could still see them even though they were deleted (tried to open them to see the replies and got an error... bc they were deleted)

But there are some real gems like this one, and more pouring in by the minute.

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And this one

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And this one

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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby HelloSweetie » Mon May 15, 2017 9:10 pm

ewokfan11 wrote:Wait a second...did I miss something from their original trip to the fertility specialist?? The doctor NEVER SAID she has PCOS!! Just said she "might" and the doctors never mentioned it again. Then, BAM, she was pregnant with Jackson within a month! Yes, they were on Femara(sp?) and were being monitored, but no injections and they conceived just by regular ol' sex. I guess I'm missing how their IF journey was THAT HARD. I think they were just doing "it" (yes, the sex part) wrong before.... :?

The description from that video: Our first visit with the Fertility Specialist. We got a lot of good information! We were told that I had PCOS and my Doctor did a great job explaining exactly what PCOS is.

Ellie is so dumb and uneducated now - and it was WAY worse in 2013!!!!! She was asking Jared about fertility stuff??! And all the gum-smacking!

Here's that video (I think someone was asking about it here recently): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-umuDoc3iM

Sorry if this is old news. I never really watched them until recently. I was just curious and wanted to see old videos.


That's how a few of us have felt all along. Dr Ellie decided she had PCOS and went looking for a diagnosis. She heard the doc mention it could be a cause and just ran with it. PCOS is cannot be diagnosed solely by ultrasound.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby nutbagmcgee » Mon May 15, 2017 9:12 pm

Jared ages like milk, he looks 25 years older now than he did 4 years ago.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby MandyJ » Mon May 15, 2017 9:15 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
ewokfan11 wrote:Wait a second...did I miss something from their original trip to the fertility specialist?? The doctor NEVER SAID she has PCOS!! Just said she "might" and the doctors never mentioned it again. Then, BAM, she was pregnant with Jackson within a month! Yes, they were on Femara(sp?) and were being monitored, but no injections and they conceived just by regular ol' sex. I guess I'm missing how their IF journey was THAT HARD. I think they were just doing "it" (yes, the sex part) wrong before.... :?

The description from that video: Our first visit with the Fertility Specialist. We got a lot of good information! We were told that I had PCOS and my Doctor did a great job explaining exactly what PCOS is.

Ellie is so dumb and uneducated now - and it was WAY worse in 2013!!!!! She was asking Jared about fertility stuff??! And all the gum-smacking!

Here's that video (I think someone was asking about it here recently): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-umuDoc3iM

Sorry if this is old news. I never really watched them until recently. I was just curious and wanted to see old videos.


That's how a few of us have felt all along. Dr Ellie decided she had PCOS and went looking for a diagnosis. She heard the doc mention it could be a cause and just ran with it. PCOS is cannot be diagnosed solely by ultrasound.


Yeah there are blood tests to see what the hormones are doing, especially TSH and LH.


And she has none of the other symptoms, either. I have a friend who has it and it also typically causes issues with insulin resistance, weight gain, etc


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby marshmallowfluf » Mon May 15, 2017 9:20 pm

I actually feel sorry for Calvin. He is about to become the middle child. Ellie will definitely treat him differently when the baby comes. He wont be the baby and he wont be the cutest one... he will be the Julie of their family..


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Cgl33 » Mon May 15, 2017 9:20 pm

A chemical pregnancy would bring them views and of course sympathy. She wouldn't just be a part of the infertility community, she'd be a part of the loss community. Something is not right with them not showing a positive pregnancy test. And to bring Jackson into this...
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby fossilfinger » Mon May 15, 2017 9:23 pm

pugsypugs wrote:I created an account because I have a crazy theory. I think they did gender selection. Bear with me.

They were "ovulating" in California, one of the few states where gender selection IVF is possible. They posted so many videos about the next one being a girl, and this guarantees they have a girl, secures an audience that will be over the moon for a girl.
I don't know. Just a thought. I know very little about IVFs and if the timeline would fit a procedure like this. But that would explain why the whole situation is so fishy. There's no way they would let this be out to the public, since the whole gender selection thing is a huge taboo.
Unlike so many people here, they don't bother me that much and I'll keep watching them - I love their big family dynamic - and wish them well, but this whole thing is a circus for sure and I really wanted to share this theory.


Sorry to poke holes in your theory, but Ellie showed her belly several times just a few days after she supposedly conceived, and she would have had bruises all over it from shots needed for the IVF process. Plus during IVF ovulation is suppressed so that the eggs can be collected, so I don't know if she would have had a positive ovulation test.

Something is clearly fishy. Their announcement is very similar in tone and general weirdness to when the Saccone-Jolys announced their pregnancy a little over a year ago that ended in a miscarriage. Many people believe they faked the whole pregnancy, but it's more likely they already knew something was wrong and that's why the announcement was so "off". Who knows what Ellie and Jared are up to.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Caisflame » Mon May 15, 2017 9:29 pm

beachygirly wrote:Sorry if that question is confusing. What I'm asking is: Do you think this pregnancy announcement video is being received more positively or negatively by viewers? I haven't checked the likes vs. dislikes or comments recently but I wonder if this will negatively impact them YouTube-wise.


I think it's fairly neutral. They are definitely receiving more negativity than they usually do because people realized how staged it all seems. But I'm seeing a pretty equal mix of positive and negative. However they are notorious for deleting comments they don't like...
Good question though.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby HelloSweetie » Mon May 15, 2017 10:17 pm

Caisflame wrote:
beachygirly wrote:Sorry if that question is confusing. What I'm asking is: Do you think this pregnancy announcement video is being received more positively or negatively by viewers? I haven't checked the likes vs. dislikes or comments recently but I wonder if this will negatively impact them YouTube-wise.


I think it's fairly neutral. They are definitely receiving more negativity than they usually do because people realized how staged it all seems. But I'm seeing a pretty equal mix of positive and negative. However they are notorious for deleting comments they don't like...
Good question though.


It's mostly comments like one....

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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby your armpit » Mon May 15, 2017 10:38 pm

I left a comment about the infertility bullshit on YouTube and now there are a bunch of minions who want to pray for me. :lol:
Too bad I'm already too far gone. Anyone wants to join me in the toasty pits of hell? :twisted:
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Romeoxsavexme » Mon May 15, 2017 10:49 pm

MandyJ wrote:
beachygirly wrote:Sorry if that question is confusing. What I'm asking is: Do you think this pregnancy announcement video is being received more positively or negatively by viewers? I haven't checked the likes vs. dislikes or comments recently but I wonder if this will negatively impact them YouTube-wise.


Still mostly positive because they have delusional minions and a bunch of kids that don't really understand how it works, so don't see the writing on the wall.

There are over 500 thumbs down, but 28,000 thumbs up.

They are working hard deleting comments calling them out, and those comments are getting a lot of thumbs up before they are deleted, though.

I had the comments loaded on my phone and then came back to it an hour later so I could still see them even though they were deleted (tried to open them to see the replies and got an error... bc they were deleted)

But there are some real gems like this one, and more pouring in by the minute.

[img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170516/5060057c991aebab5d45498cb7c2e171.png[/img]

And this one

[img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170516/4f3bf0cffd54186c83822aa02d39e8ee.jpg[/img]

And this one

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One of those may or may not be mine.


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby vonniebeth » Mon May 15, 2017 11:14 pm

I'm far behind.

Welp, any respect I had for E&J just went out the window. I still kind of liked them, but not after that! I would've expected that scheme from Jess or the Lumps, but not from them.

As much as I want them to have a boy because it'll totally ruin Ellie's day, I'm kind of hoping it will be a girl so they won't reproduce anymore. It worked for Jess.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby sunshine lollipops2 » Mon May 15, 2017 11:15 pm

your armpit wrote:I left a comment about the infertility bullshit on YouTube and now there are a bunch of minions who want to pray for me. :lol:
Too bad I'm already too far gone. Anyone wants to join me in the toasty pits of hell? :twisted:


I'm burning in the pit with you


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby GetYouTubesTied » Mon May 15, 2017 11:52 pm

Never in my life have I seen more negative comments on any E+J video (in terms of quantity and prominence), or any pregnancy announcement video in the history of ever. The #1 top comment as of this posting is positive, but the #2 comment is the first one in the screenshot, and all the others in the screenshot are within the top 15 comments. F-U-N!
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(Maybe, just maybe, reading enough of these will hit a nerve with Jared, who still at least desires to have integrity, IMO...)
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Scar2016 » Mon May 15, 2017 11:53 pm

heymallie wrote:Leave it to Ellie to make Mother's Day only apply to and about herself

That's because they've become (the self designated) Mary and Joseph of Mormon Utah. No one trumps Mary. Except. Ellie.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Scar2016 » Mon May 15, 2017 11:58 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:Please tell me E&J don't change the boys in the kitchen! When Ellie was talking to her mom you could clearly see baby wipes and powder laid out (not just placed) on the counter.

Of course they change the boys diapers on the kitchen worktop. Shit is the only constant in Ellie's life, and that includes the vlogs.
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby GetYouTubesTied » Tue May 16, 2017 12:14 am

Scar2016 wrote:
heymallie wrote:Leave it to Ellie to make Mother's Day only apply to and about herself

That's because they've become (the self designated) Mary and Joseph of Mormon Utah. No one trumps Mary. Except. Ellie.

Or Joseph's new wife, if we wanna talk about Joseph Smith :wink:. Seriously, can you imagine Ellie as a sister wife? Having to share Jared with Joel?

I hypothesize that such a degree of jealousy would cause her to spontaneously combust. Groovy science experiment...
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby sunshine lollipops2 » Tue May 16, 2017 12:53 am

Both have been quiet on social media since the vlog went up..Here's hoping they have crawled into a hole never to be seen again


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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby ewokfan11 » Tue May 16, 2017 1:06 am

After watching their "infertility journal" videos, I feel even worse about their LIES. I honestly thought they had IVF and really struggled to conceive Jackson. Turns out they are JUST STUPID. I can't believe Jared said, "well, I've had a biology class, so I think I know how these things work" in terms of fertility timing. Did Ellie never go to a health class? Also, she got pregnant with Jackson at 21...that's really young.

You could even tell their doctors and nurses seemed to think they were too stupid to procreate.

What's with all these Mormons who panic and think they are infertile when they don't get a knocked up the SECOND they try. It's INSANE!
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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby kiwimumof-5 » Tue May 16, 2017 1:41 am

First of all can I just say thank FCK for a place like this where others can see straight through their bullshit?

I watched some of the vlog tonight, squinted really hard for that barely there line, got bored and read the comments instead, was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of people calling them out, the minions have a lot of people to pray for tonight!

Im really looking forward to seeing her first ultrasound if she actually IS pregnant, wonder how they will explain it when she ends up being further along than she should be

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Re: E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

Postby Scar2016 » Tue May 16, 2017 2:32 am

Cgl33 wrote:I just can't believe they thought it was a good idea to call and message their friends who are truly suffering. I'm just dumbfounded that they could be that out of touch and self involved.

And Ellie with her symptoms. There are no symptoms two days after ovulation. You didn't just know, you were symptom spotting and happened to conceive. Although, Ellie is such a good person, her body does not work like every other woman's. God must have been sending her messages.

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