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Oh Brother! These two!! I called it from the beginning. Yes she may have had an pregnancy but it didn't stick. How many of us has this happened to? It is pretty common in your fertile years when you are trying to have a baby for this to happen. But the drama these two create is just too much! Yes she will get pregnant again, yes they will have more babies. This is the first month of trying! Like really? How many people actual conceive the first month they try. Anyways, I just had to vent!! Lol!!


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juotaahn wrote:
Caisflame wrote:So here's my thoughts.
I really think Ellie was not pregnant, but convinced herself that she was. I think Jared knew she was not pregnant the whole time, which is why we haven't seen the emotions and crying that we normally see. He's pretending for her, and for the vlogs. I truly believe he knew this whole time that Ellie had convinced herself she was pregnant, but he knew she wasn't, and he continues to go along with it for her sake. That's her period, not a miscarriage.
But hell, what do I know. I'm just watching from the sidelines. Either way, something is sketchy.
This is exactly right. I know the family and have been burned by them many times. I have been watching this forum for months and can't keep quiet any longer.


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I think Ellie honestly knew she wasn't pregnant on Tuesday. The call from the doctor's office didn't seem hopeful AT ALL - and they edited most of it out of the vlog. It seemed like any "hope" was coming from Ellie's delusions. Not once did they say the doctor even confirmed a pregnancy. Then Bonnie brought them all dinner Tuesday night, which is usually something Mormons seem to do for people in mourning. And she's been hiding from SM since Mother's Day.

I bet she's humiliated that she told the world she was pregnant when she actually wasn't. All of her pregnancy "symptoms" were regular old PMS symptoms and her bleeding and backache sound like your typical period.

I also think Jared went along with her story because he's a doormat of a husband. It's telling how her family wasn't even talking about it.
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Bethypooh51 wrote:Oh Brother! These two!! I called it from the beginning. Yes she may have had an pregnancy but it didn't stick. How many of us has this happened to? It is pretty common in your fertile years when you are trying to have a baby for this to happen. But the drama these two create is just too much! Yes she will get pregnant again, yes they will have more babies. This is the first month of trying! Like really? How many people actual conceive the first month they try. Anyways, I just had to vent!! Lol!!


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I think this is very insensitive. Your comment implies she had an early pregnancy and miscarried and that's not a big deal. Maybe you should think before you speak.


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I think that if this was anyone other than Ellie and Jared i would feel badly for them, to an extent. It's really hard to feel badly for someone who puts themselves into sticky situations. they rushed to judgement, tried to play it up for money and it blew up in their face.
Call me harsh, call me horrible, tell me i'm headed to hell.. i don't care, i'm coming clean with how i feel about these two and like it or not this is how i feel ... i can't even muster up a drop of sympathy for Ellie. Karma is something i believe in very very strongly, you put shit in, you get shit out. All the shady things they have done in the past is starting to catch up with them. Letting your kids star in borderline kiddie porn, violating a child's body by rubbing your face on their bottom, the lies, the holier than thou attitude, the smug bitch that is Ellie in general. I think they are getting exactly what they have set themselves up for. Ellie is so embarrassed she can't even show her face. Shes so effing stupid she doesn't know what PMS and a period are. She is NEVER EVER wrong and she is now laid up in bed eating crow while she has HER PERIOD (I will never be convinced this is a loss.. ) They have made asses of themselves for a month now and they are getting what they put out there.
I will say, i do feel sorry for Jared, only bc he's pandered to his wife's ignorance for so long now that he has to continue just so she doesn't go off the deep end on him. he has known all along that she wasn't pregnant, but even since she so rudely shot down his opinion that she could be wishing symptoms on herself (at missy and Bryan's) he hasn't had the balls to tell her that he thinks shes full of shit. So go back to Lush by her some more bath bombs and continue to kiss her ass and make sure she's keeping your balls nice and warm in her purse, just make sure you reattach them next time she lets you have sex with her, maybe you won't have repeat of this month.
It was nice to see Jared make a point of telling Jackson how special he is and tell him how much he loves him. I hope its not fake emotion bc he feels like he has to be shown loving his kids extra hard bc they aren't pregnant, but either way it was nice to see.
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Playsinrain wrote:he has known all along that she wasn't pregnant, but even since she so rudely shot down his opinion that she could be wishing symptoms on herself (at missy and Bryan's) ...
Do you know which vlog this was specifically? I'd like to see her reaction.
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I am not a big fan and see through all their fake smiles and positive life they try to portray. Honestly I admit I am a little jealous that they can spend money on whatever they want and travel and stay at home whenever they want. But I never wanted anything bad to happen to them. Well maybe another boy instead of Ellie's dream daughter. I also don't think she was actually pregnant but I don't buy that Ellie is just putting on an act. I think she wanted a baby so badly and she really thinks God will reward her with whatever she wants when she wants it because she gave others IVF grants. I think she really thought this was real and that she lost the baby. For that I am sorry. I am glad that they said something and not just kept it wrapped up leaving everyone waiting but at the same time I think this vlog was really inappropriate. He was doing all sorts of stupid camera tricks and jokes to fill up the content. He should of just explained things and said they were going to take the day off to grieve, heal and support each other. Instead he even admitted it that he was working on his project instead of being with Ellie. Maybe she didn't want to see him but either way this whole thing I think shines a light on their relationship. I would want my husband to hold me comfort me talk to me not put on a show for strangers on the internet. Job or no job baby or no baby; this is a real significant moment in their marriage
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Omg their blog today *insert eye roll here* Jared reminds me of the Danny Tanner from full house....always ending with some insight on the days sistuation. And just to throw another story in....a few months before getting pregnant with my 3rd....I got a positive test...yay I'm pregnant....the very next day I started....got in the shower-BAM huge blood clot (sorry, but going back to today's vlog you will understand why I said it) bad cramps blah blah blah. Exact same as Ellie...it happens...I don't go around saying I had a miscarriage...that just seems like too much. Basically a chemical pregnancy. You are just having your period, Ellie. Stop being so attention hungry!!!
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But...she had hcg present. We heard the nurse say it. Sure, it wasn't as high as they were hoping but doesn't its presence confirm that she was pregnant at some point for a very short time? Or maybe she was taking progesterone the entire month TTC and that's why it was there?

I'm the last one to defend Ellie, I think she's selfish and ignorant. But if I were her I would count it as a loss too. Maybe not a loss of pregnancy...but a loss of something. :/ it's still sad.
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clickclack wrote:
Playsinrain wrote:he has known all along that she wasn't pregnant, but even since she so rudely shot down his opinion that she could be wishing symptoms on herself (at missy and Bryan's) ...
Do you know which vlog this was specifically? I'd like to see her reaction.
WE'VE GOT BUNS IN THE OVEN
start about 11:00 he tries to explain to her as best as he can without hurting her feelings (and dumbs it down to about a 5th grade level, he talks to her like a child and its annoying AF) and shes just like NOPE NOT AT ALL...

Oh and today's vlog was serious business guys, not caps lock title..
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Boredomatitsfinest wrote:I'm in the same boat as most of you here. It's pretty likely she got her period and thinks it's more than what it is. Particularly coming from a woman who has hardly had any periods her entire post-pubescent life, and is freshly off of birth control and experiencing completely typical symptoms of that. I can't add much more than what's already been said. However, I would like to bring up one thing that I haven't seen mentioned here:

Evap lines only occur after the urine has dried, no? In the pregnancy announcement video, when they show the two tests, they say that the top one was from the night before, and the bottom test was the fresh one. Honestly, I'd be lying if I said I didn't see a faint (albeit, very faint) line on the bottom test. So, sure, it certainly could've been a false positive. But an evap line? No, I don't think that's possible.

Also, in today's vlog when jared said, "They basically confirmed that Ellie would be miscarrying," I think that what he meant by "basically" is that the doctors said it was a chemical pregnancy, but he's putting it into more simple terms so that their 10 year old audience can understand. *cringe* That's what I gather, anyway.

UM and HOLD ON, lol, am I the only one who got an "e.p.t Early Pregnancy Test" add on the video? Is this just a terrible coincidence or...?
I believe that they are valid if a line appears in the first 10 minutes anything after that would be considered an evap. So it really would depend how long it took. To me I don't think she got all dressed up and did her make up and then took a test, she probably did it when she first go up.
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aggieyorkie wrote:But...she had hcg present. We heard the nurse say it. Sure, it wasn't as high as they were hoping but doesn't its presence confirm that she was pregnant at some point for a very short time? Or maybe she was taking progesterone the entire month TTC and that's why it was there?

I'm the last one to defend Ellie, I think she's selfish and ignorant. But if I were her I would count it as a loss too. Maybe not a loss of pregnancy...but a loss of something. :/ it's still sad.
The nurse did not say she was pregnant. She said her hCG was lower than they like to see. That doesn't mean she was pregnant.
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aggieyorkie wrote:But...she had hcg present. We heard the nurse say it. Sure, it wasn't as high as they were hoping but doesn't its presence confirm that she was pregnant at some point for a very short time? Or maybe she was taking progesterone the entire month TTC and that's why it was there?

I'm the last one to defend Ellie, I think she's selfish and ignorant. But if I were her I would count it as a loss too. Maybe not a loss of pregnancy...but a loss of something. :/ it's still sad.
The nurse did not say she was pregnant. She said her hCG was lower than they like to see. That doesn't mean she was pregnant.

I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time sympathizing with Ellie if she didn't actually miscarry because just because she convinced herself it was a loss. Can we not? There are many women here who have struggled with legitimate miscarriages. Who have tested and watched that line get lighter and lighter. Who have thrown up for weeks even though their hCG is slowly declining and they are no longer pregnant. If Ellie had a chemical pregnancy, that would be one thing, but lets not feel too sorry for her because she didn't get what she wanted for once. That just seems disrespectful to those that have really suffered, and have really struggled. This seems a bit like feeling sorry for someone because they "feel like" the struggled with IF... oh, wait.

It's very vague, and we've seen E&J lie by omission many times before. There certainly seem to be a lot of important details intentionally left out in this case. We do however have a lot of unnecessary details about the TTC and 2WW process :?
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*raises hand* long time TTCer, suffering from infertility and loss here. Just wanted to clear a couple of things up.

1. A chemical pregnancy is a miscarriage, an early miscarriage. Sperm meets egg = conception. A chemical pregnancy is wen there is an implantation failure, usually.
It happens very early on during the pregnancy, and unless you are TTC and testing before your period is due you are unlikely to know that you were even pregnant, and so many will think nothing of their bleeding, because it will just appear as a very heavy (and late) period.

2. Progesterone does not cause hCG levels to rise. They are different hormones.

3. Going on what the nurse said to Ellie on the phone, about how there was hCG present, but it was a little lower than they'd expect - is not something working in reproductive medicine would say unless it was higher than the normal levels we usually have in our bodies. Yes, it is normal for women of a childbearing age to have a hCG level of <2. A post-menopausal woman can have up to a level of <10, and it be considered normal. There are some reproductive cancers that can cause an elevated hCG level without pregnancy occurring, and also some ovarian cysts can also produce hCG.

Clinically, anything >25 and over is considered pregnant. Given that Ellie was not testing positive previously, her levels weren't very high. The tests she used have a sensitivity of 20mIU/ml... so they could've been 20. The lower your hCG levels, the quicker they will come down if you're miscarrying.
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juotaahn wrote:
Caisflame wrote:So here's my thoughts.
I really think Ellie was not pregnant, but convinced herself that she was. I think Jared knew she was not pregnant the whole time, which is why we haven't seen the emotions and crying that we normally see. He's pretending for her, and for the vlogs. I truly believe he knew this whole time that Ellie had convinced herself she was pregnant, but he knew she wasn't, and he continues to go along with it for her sake. That's her period, not a miscarriage.
But hell, what do I know. I'm just watching from the sidelines. Either way, something is sketchy.
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The person (nurse?) on the phone didn't say "a little lower" than where she should be and hinted at A LOT LOWER than she should be. Nothing from that phone conversation sounded positive. Again, it was highly edited, so we don't have the actual #s or real facts.

As for hCG issue, this comes directly from University of Rochester's Medical Center website:

Human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) is a type of hormone. Both men and women have small amounts of HCG in their body at all times. When a woman is pregnant, her body produces much more HCG than usual. In a healthy pregnancy, the amount of HCG in the blood increases substantially throughout the first three months. This blood test measures how much HCG is in your blood.
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IceCreamCone wrote:
aggieyorkie wrote:But...she had hcg present. We heard the nurse say it. Sure, it wasn't as high as they were hoping but doesn't its presence confirm that she was pregnant at some point for a very short time? Or maybe she was taking progesterone the entire month TTC and that's why it was there?

I'm the last one to defend Ellie, I think she's selfish and ignorant. But if I were her I would count it as a loss too. Maybe not a loss of pregnancy...but a loss of something. :/ it's still sad.
The nurse did not say she was pregnant. She said her hCG was lower than they like to see. That doesn't mean she was pregnant.
Even men produce HCG. A level above 25 means you're likely pregnant. I don't think Ellie understands that. You don't have to be pregnant to have a positive HCG.
Edited: I see AD already explained this better...

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Refrigerator_Light wrote:When you are never pregnant.... and then you bleed, that is your period! The drama is real with these too....

We all called this from the beginning. Does Ellie not know that clots and a heavy period can be normal at the beginning of your period?

If it's not, then I "miscarry" every month.

Probably not considering she more than likely isn't getting a normal cycle due to her eating disorder.
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Question..... (bc i'm lucky and actually conceived the first month we were trying, but i also have always been clockwork regular with my cycles, i know exactly what my symptoms are when i ovulate and i *knew* how to time properly bc i did some reading before diving into ttcing. I always feel guilty when i explain that we got pregnant very easily, i have a lot of guilt with that bc i have friends in real life and online that have struggled and struggled to get pregnant and you don't know how much i wish i could pass my fertility ease on to every single person i know that has issues.. <3 )

If you have PCOS you aren't supposed to use OPKs bc you release the same hormone as someone who is ovulating all the time, correct? Now i know that the hormone that OPK's detect is not hcg like what a pregnancy test picks up, BUT would a woman with PCOS get false positives with pregnancy tests as well? I guess what i'm asking is if PCOS women have surges in that hormone as well even if they aren't pregnant, resulting in the very faint positive test but not enough to technically be pregnant by bloodwork..

I've honestly learned everything i know about all this stuff ^ here, from what others with knowledge have posted. i've never taken an OPK, and there was no denying the one pregnancy test that i took was positive..
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Playsinrain wrote:Question..... (bc i'm lucky and actually conceived the first month we were trying, but i also have always been clockwork regular with my cycles, i know exactly what my symptoms are when i ovulate and i *knew* how to time properly bc i did some reading before diving into ttcing. I always feel guilty when i explain that we got pregnant very easily, i have a lot of guilt with that bc i have friends in real life and online that have struggled and struggled to get pregnant and you don't know how much i wish i could pass my fertility ease on to every single person i know that has issues.. <3 )

If you have PCOS you aren't supposed to use OPKs bc you release the same hormone as someone who is ovulating all the time, correct? Now i know that the hormone that OPK's detect is not hcg like what a pregnancy test picks up, BUT would a woman with PCOS get false positives with pregnancy tests as well? I guess what i'm asking is if PCOS women have surges in that hormone as well even if they aren't pregnant, resulting in the very faint positive test but not enough to technically be pregnant by bloodwork..

I've honestly learned everything i know about all this stuff ^ here, from what others with knowledge have posted. i've never taken an OPK, and there was no denying the one pregnancy test that i took was positive..
I have PCOS and the way OPKs can't be trusted completely is because our bodies try to ovulate, causing the LH surge (which is what the OPKs detect), and then instead of releasing the egg, a cyst is formed.

It has nothing to do with the presence of hCG.
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