E+J - The Phantom Fetus! Part 25

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I've been back and watched some of their old vlog (before Calvin) and Ellie does seem vastly different.

I also think that they both got really obsessed with TTC really quick - it went from "we've decided to have another baby" (which is fine to share) to really in depth discussions about every little symptom. I know we can all do that in our heads whilst TTC, but I feel they should have kept some of it back.


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If she really thought she was pregnant, why didn't they tell everyone and record for the announcement video? I mean if they REALLY thought she was pregnant, they would do that.

This whole thing was a lie for money.
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I am sorry that I offended you with my post. Yes a lost pregnancy is a very sad thing and yes you should mourn your loss. Everyone is different and everyone experiences loss differently. For me each time I conceived it gave me hope that at least an egg and sperm united. It just made me even more determined to keep trying. Yes it was sad but I guess I didn't dwell on the sadness I just looked forward to figuring out why my eggs weren't sticking. After 6 pregnancy losses my Drs finally figured out why I couldn't hold a pregnancy and we fixed it. I now have two beautiful children and I feel very blessed. I will refrain from being a bit insensitive in the future.


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HelloSweetie wrote:
ewokfan11 wrote:I think Bonnie was with Ellie most of the day yesterday. It's more than a coincidence that Bonnie left home early - leaving the kids with Joel - but claimed she couldn't take a camera with her. :roll: :roll: :roll: Bonnie didn't appear again for the rest of their vlog. I'm sure her mom was with her too. So it's really not that strange that Jared would leave them alone.

Regardless of the truth, I think Ellie thought she was pregnant. There's been something definitely "off" about her mental state lately.
Bonnie got her hair done and then went to an event for Albion Fit in SLC. She may have stopped in on Ellie, but probably wouldn't have had that much time to visit with her.

She certainly could have driven her to Jennifer's though.

ETA: Nevermind the last part. Jennifer and Chad left yesterday for a road trip. Strange timing given you would think they would want to be around for Ellie.
That is strange. I thought for sure Bonnie was bluffing about the hair appointment to go see Ellie - but she actually got extensions and those can take FOREVER. Weird her parents also left town the same day. Maybe Ellie really did want to just be alone?? Seems odd for a person who seems to need people around - or on the phone - 24/7.
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Sooo they're pulling a Sam & Nia? What is it with Christian vloggers and [alleged] dishonesty...
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HelloSweetie wrote:It is sort of the same thing that happened witth Cal though because at that time she also thought she was farther along than she was. If you tell the doc you are 6 weeks and your hCG is only 30 or 40, that indicates a problem, especially if you add in spotting.

Ellie may not actually have irregular cycles at all. She may actually just have long ones and isn't smart enough to make that connection.
I'm not so sure, Ellie admitted she had no idea how far along she was when she found out she was pregnant with her second and that she didn't have a cycle to base it off of. She didn't go into the appointment insisting she was 6 weeks. The doctor told her based on the size of her uterus she was pretty early, and that due to the spotting he would do blood work and see if her hCG levels doubled. The hCG levels would also give him a better idea of approximately how far along she was before an ultrasound could be preformed. He also said it was promising that she had gotten multiple positives and no negatives at that time. They didn't share the doctor's side of the phone call after the first blood test, maybe someone can make out what he's saying. But we just hear Ellie pressing him for a guess as to whether or not it's a viable pregnancy, and he admits he thinks she'll probably miscarry. But that could be due to the spotting more so than the hCG results, because the doctor knew she was not far along yet and hCG can vary quite a bit around the 4, 5 and 6 week mark and it's really more telling to see if they double or not.
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HelloSweetie wrote:
ewokfan11 wrote:I think Bonnie was with Ellie most of the day yesterday. It's more than a coincidence that Bonnie left home early - leaving the kids with Joel - but claimed she couldn't take a camera with her. :roll: :roll: :roll: Bonnie didn't appear again for the rest of their vlog. I'm sure her mom was with her too. So it's really not that strange that Jared would leave them alone.

Regardless of the truth, I think Ellie thought she was pregnant. There's been something definitely "off" about her mental state lately.
Bonnie got her hair done and then went to an event for Albion Fit in SLC. She may have stopped in on Ellie, but probably wouldn't have had that much time to visit with her.

She certainly could have driven her to Jennifer's though.

ETA: Nevermind the last part. Jennifer and Chad left yesterday for a road trip. Strange timing given you would think they would want to be around for Ellie.
Then why was Jared at Ellie's parents' house? I could have sworn Penny was running around in their backyard.

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Hasn't Ellie's sister Ruby had a few miscarriages? I know her sister-in-law Emily (Matt's wife) has. If they spin it as a miscarriage, that is indeed​ fake, I don't see how the could show their faces to their family and friends that have had losses without feeling like scum.

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She used 2 Clearblue digital tests and one First Signal test, so why didn't she use the digital Clearblue again after she already had success with it in the past? Something is definitely fishy about the whole thing.

I have a very hard time feeling bad for her. She totally jumped the gun on this, already knew she was "pregnant" days before MD but wanted to wait and announce it on a very difficult day for many people and call their IF friends to tell them which was completely insensitive. Told her 3 year old son (I don't think Calvin understood it so it's not so much him) and Jackson clearly understood it very well and was talking about the baby in Mommy's tummy and if he wanted a boy or girl so how do they expect to tell him that the baby is no longer in Mommy's tummy and may take "more than a few minutes to get here" ? I would have waited to announce until after I had already seen a doctor, gotten bloodwork and gotten it
confirmed. Sure, it wouldn't have been total video worthy as they wouldn't have vlogged the pee fresh on the stick but it would be better than gathering 722K views on an announcement video when you're not even sure that you're really pregnant and the line was super faint on both tests. It all screams attention. They could have vlogged it all and then included it in the announcement so that people could see how it all happened AFTER it was confirmed in some kind of like 48 hours earlier opening thing. The entire announcement video was fishy, no tears from Jared, Ellie seemed off and not the most excited, no reactions from family or any acknowledgements of it, no close ups of the tests. If you have no medical need for an early confirmation, I'd wait until the line got darker and then make the appointment. If there is a medical reason that you doctor wants to confirm the pregnancy early, then I'd call my doctor. It's only her FIRST MONTH trying in over 2 years, give me a break. Their views were dropping and they needed to announce ASAP to bring those views up, they were desperate. They should have waited on all the theatrics. I think it's a huge possibility that this was all a lie and she just got her period.

I think Ellie got really mean towards everyone and told them to leave her alone, hence Jared and the kids leaving and no visit from Bonnie or her mom. Or they know that there was never a pregnancy. Very fishy.

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It wouldn't be so hard to empathize with E&J if they weren't so smug about this TTC journey, even in their pregnancy announcement they were like "yep, we got what we wanted".

Compare it with C&K's pregnancy announcement when they found out they were expecting Brooks, they were scared! If E+J's announcement had been done in a way were they said that even though their test wasn't clear and they didn't know how long Ellie was but they couldn't wait to share the news, I would understand it by it wasn't done that way. Why would you take photos of your kids saying "big brother"? Because they were so sure they would get what they had planned, guess what guys, life doesn't work that way. The same with sharing the news with the IVF winners, did they really need to do that on Mother's Day? Why not take that special day and spend it with their family? Maybe visit Jared's grandma or call Aunt Sonia's family go give them some support... oh wait they don't care about them.


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My daughter watched.. I read the comments.. someone says if they divorced they were unsubbing .. another commented, it looked that they are headed that way

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I haven't finished catching up on the thread but, I don't feel sorry for them. There was no reason to believe she was ever pregnant. Had her levels been said, or an actual positive test shown, or confirmation from a doctor of any sort, I'd 100% have sympathy for the both of them.

They uploaded that video on Mother's Day with every ill-intention they had, they kept quiet on social media all of this time for a reason. They aren't idiots, they know what they're doing.

Why couldn't they be honest? "We didn't test positive at the office, but we're keeping our hopes up and will figure it out in a few days." Or "It looks like a faint line, but I'm not sure!" etc, there are numerous amounts of possibilities for the way they could have gone about this situation.

They KNOW there is over a million people who are subscribed to them, of all ages, who care for them and their family - yet they deceived them all.

I agree with whoever said how coincidental it is that she is bleeding the day she had her appointment. This may be an awful theory or comment to make, but maybe they wanted to spin it as a miscarriage instead of being told by the doctor that her levels didn't rise, or the doctor told her on Tuesday that if she starts to bleed in the next few days it's likely that it is her period.

I just have a bad taste in my mouth primarily because of those of you who have heartbreaking stories with losses, or have been trying for babies for years and years and these 2 are in such denial over 1 month, so I'm sorry is this post makes me sound like a jerk!


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These 11 year olds in the comments are all "RIP Baby Mecham" Oh, children..


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onbreak wrote:My daughter watched.. I read the comments.. someone says if they divorced they were unsubbing .. another commented, it looked that they are headed that way

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Divorce in the Mormon church is a big deal. I don't think they will divorce or are on the verge of it in my opinion. When you marry in the Mormon faith it is forever...they believe that you are family even into eternity. So if you divorce you are saying that you no longer believe the basic foundation of the church and I don't believe they allow you to remain a member, Ellie and Jared are hard core in their faith. I just don't see that happening. Just my opinion...


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I am a Mormon. Let me clear something up about divorce. It does, and is allowed, to happen. It's obviously not the first suggestion but it's totally allowed. You are still a member of the church, you are not excommunicated for divorcing your partner. Depending on the reason, pornography/cheating, one or both partners may not have a temple recommend for awhile but you don't have to have a temple recommend to be a member of the church.

That being said I really don't think these two are on the verge of divorce.
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FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:I don't believe she was ever pregnant.

Karma sucks, I hope multiple people call Ellie over the next couple of days to announce their pregnancy after one month of trying.
Yes! I don't even feel sorry for her. Actually makes me hate her even more. I think I'm the only one who believe she knows she got her period and is embarrassed as hell to show her face. Do I think she was ever pregnant? Not At All!


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I don't think she's embarrassed. She believes she was pregnant. I really don't think she would have called people (Ivf winners) if she didn't think she was. But just because she thinks she was doesn't mean a thing. That test was not positive. If you have to hold it under lights and squint to see a very faint line it's not there.
Ellie is clueless. For someone who claims infertility struggles she has no idea at all what goes on.
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Bethypooh51 wrote:
onbreak wrote:My daughter watched.. I read the comments.. someone says if they divorced they were unsubbing .. another commented, it looked that they are headed that way

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Divorce in the Mormon church is a big deal. I don't think they will divorce or are on the verge of it in my opinion. When you marry in the Mormon faith it is forever...they believe that you are family even into eternity. So if you divorce you are saying that you no longer believe the basic foundation of the church and I don't believe they allow you to remain a member, Ellie and Jared are hard core in their faith. I just don't see that happening. Just my opinion...
That's not exactly correct. You can certainly remain a member after you divorce!! The bigger issue is the "sealing." It seems to be really hard to get "seal cancellation" from an ex spouse - even if you have a civil (legal) divorce. But they can 100% remain members of the church.

My Mormon cousin, also named Jared, got divorced last year. Odd fact, men can marry again and be seal again to another woman, but once a woman is sealed, she MUST get a cancellation in order to be sealed again to a different man. What a sexist religion!

That being said, I don't think E&J are thinking of divorce.
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FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:I am a Mormon. Let me clear something up about divorce. It does, and is allowed, to happen. It's obviously not the first suggestion but it's totally allowed. You are still a member of the church, you are not excommunicated for divorcing your partner. Depending on the reason, pornography/cheating, one or both partners may not have a temple recommend for awhile but you don't have to have a temple recommend to be a member of the church.

That being said I really don't think these two are on the verge of divorce.
Being ex lds I'm wondering did their bishop say something about "butt exposure" or all these YouTube lies? Are church leaders aware at all? Because even being ex lds I see a lot of things that bother me...CTR , Ellie and Jared, CTR...


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sunshine lollipops2 wrote:
FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:I don't believe she was ever pregnant.

Karma sucks, I hope multiple people call Ellie over the next couple of days to announce their pregnancy after one month of trying.
Yes! I don't even feel sorry for her. Actually makes me hate her even more. I think I'm the only one who believe she knows she got her period and is embarrassed as hell to show her face. Do I think she was ever pregnant? Not At All!


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*raises hand*

I understand why some sympathize with her, because in reality loss is a loss. My early miscarriages hurt just the same as our 8wk one. But these ppl, I wouldn't believe until I saw written proof of what Ellie's beta levels were. I don't think even the doc or nurse thought she was pregnant.

And just like some others have mentioned, why not have at least one ultrasound to be sure nothing potentially dangerous was going on. I only went back a couple pages, but did she get an actual second blood draw, or no because she started her period the day of that appt?
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