V was in the car so why was her mum going into the school surely Nona can sit with precious Charlie for two minuets and it's not like collecting lily is a one off for Nona we know she does it a lotYogabbagabbat wrote:I would have wanted to switch classes too but I feel like switching schools is really excessive..
And ya right that she was with her mom when she picked lily up from school that day lol
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I'm from a different state than V but have taught pre I for several years - it is ok to pick a child up for the most part, but at pre k level it becomes a little more taboo than the 3 and under crowd. I wonder if lily bruises easily because I can't imagine picking up a child roughly enough to cause a bruise like that. As a parent, I would definitely file a police report... but my daughter doesn't bruise easily so I would assume the teacher had to have been very aggressive to leave such marks.literallywhat wrote:I don't think the teacher intentionally hurt Lily either. I know the rules are slightly different at the preschool level, but I am an elementary school teacher and we aren't allowed to pick up the kids, we can't grab them to move them, we really aren't even supposed to like gently push them forward or to a different place. Even if a kid is like freaking out and kicking and punching you or another child, if you don't have the training, you can't even restrain them. Lets say a kid was throwing things in a classroom and could injure another student, you have to remove the other students, you can't touch the kid causing the problem. It has to be an absolute emergency if you need to put hands on a kid. Its all about liability and the fact that if you don't know what you're doing, you could absolutely injure the child, even if its unintentional. So honestly, the teacher did do something wrong. And the nail marks are pretty worrisome because even if she was just grabbing Lily's arm to move her, why is she digging her nails into her arm?
I totally agree that Lily need intensive special needs education every day. I feel for her and I feel for the teacher. She made a serious mistake. The only place for special education is the public schools in most areas. So I hope Vanessa is meeting with Lily's public school now and arranging for appropriate evaluation and services via an IEP.Emcee wrote:V said that Lily wasn't yelling, kicking or screaming and that she just wanted to play on the floor. But she wasn't following directions and was probably distracting other students, which is why Lily needs to be in a special needs school. I'm not excusing the teacher's behavior because they should never put their hands on a child.
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Yes, Lily definitely needs to be in an exclusively special needs class and/or school. She needs to be surrounded by teachers who fully understand that Lily doesn't think and function like other children. Lily doesn't know how to properly express herself; she parrots what is said to her.Emcee wrote:V said that Lily wasn't yelling, kicking or screaming and that she just wanted to play on the floor. But she wasn't following directions and was probably distracting other students, which is why Lily needs to be in a special needs school. I'm not excusing the teacher's behavior because they should never put their hands on a child.
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Yeah, I'm not understanding why it's okay for the teacher to even touch a student in any way unless they are endangering themselves or someone else. Couldn't she have asked Lily to go into the hall with her and talked to her? Lily doesn't seem like the type of child who would defy that type of request.Snow White wrote: While I agree 100% with everyone here, no matter what Lily's behaviour was at the time, putting forceful hands on a child posing no physical threat to themselves or any other child is completely uncalled for.
There's a special needs boy in my son's class and he causes so many problems. Parents are always complaining to the teacher about him because he continuously throws sAnd in the kids hair. The teacher has repeatedly spoken to him mom but there isn't much they can do. Now none of the kids will play with him. The most annoying part is his mom acts like his behavior is normal. I've been there when he's acting up and the teacher and TA will look so done with him but they just walk away and tag in either the teach or TA which ever one wasn't dealing with him. The issue with him isn't him. It's his fucken mother.pennyajdg wrote:My sister works at a school that takes any student no matter what, and she has three special needs children in her class, they can all be very difficult in different ways, even if they are the sweetest kids at home, I don't excuse any teacher putting their hand on a student ever, my sister has been bit, kicked and spit on, and has never raised her hand or bruised a child, schools and parents need to know where to place children and not overload their teachers.
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Have you ever worked with preschoolers? It obviously 100% shouldn't ever be in an aggressive manner, but you do occasionally have to pick them up, guide them, etc. And no, 99% of the time you can't step out of the room with a child, especially during nap, because there are 10+ other children that you have to stay there in the room with. Having a special needs child in the classroom is really difficult and your average preschool teacher isn't always properly trained to handle it. Lily's teacher definitely mishandled it. I don't know about Vanessa's state but mine has public pre-k for 4 year olds that would have been able to form an IEP and provide the proper accommodations. Hopefully she'll be able to do that for kindergarten and on.fossilfinger wrote:Yeah, I'm not understanding why it's okay for the teacher to even touch a student in any way unless they are endangering themselves or someone else. Couldn't she have asked Lily to go into the hall with her and talked to her? Lily doesn't seem like the type of child who would defy that type of request.
