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E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby Pency » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:20 pm

I think you have a point, HS, but a while back we were discussing Ellie's video she made for her channel right after she found out she was pregnant with Cal. She was talking about her symptoms, etc. The differences between that Ellie and the Ellie we saw when she was pregnant this last time were striking. I just don't know how she could have hid her true nature that well, unless something changed her. PPD is just a guess but I'm no mental health professional -- it could just be the YouTube money/negativity the internet brings has brought out more of the ruthless bitch in her.

ETA: I know a lot of you don't think Ellie was actually pregnant, but I just...am not really comfortable making that assumption for personal reasons.
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby HelloSweetie » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:24 pm

I think one of the things that helps change her was that praise started to fade. A few years ago she was the top Griffiths sister. She had the money, fame and success. Now she shares the fame and success, and gets far more criticism and less praise. Ellie isn't winning anymore, and I think she would usually go full bitch in reaction to this (take her toys and go home), except she can't, because there is no other way for her and Jared to ever make that much money again. She's trapped.
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby jaynshann » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:29 pm

Pency wrote:I definitely think a lot of Ellie's problems started after Calvin's birth. Undiagnosed and untreated PPD is my guess, because she was a COMPLETELY different person right before she got pregnant with Cal.

Again though..... you have an amazing platform being a successful Youtuber to talk openly about that. Maybe she doesn't see it. Unless many conversations that are contrary to the dynamic we see between them have occurred, I majorly side eye Jared for that. Love is not always telling the other person how amazing they are for the way they breath and bake and parent and every other thing they do.... IMO real love is saying "something is not right with you and l am worried. When l look at our videos from just 2years ago l realize you don't seem as happy now as you did then. I love you more than l do our success or our YouTube channel (you know Jared would never say that) who cares what people think, go get help.
What a great example to their young viewers and l would bet if they opened up about more than their fake fertility issues they'd win back a lot of their adult viewers.
Not to bring them up again (although l find them to be such a much needed YouTube breath of fresh air) but The Dad and Mom from JHouse vlogs just recently posted multiple times about how they were both seeking counseling for their own issues and to grow in their marriage. She also openly talked about her generalized anxiety disorder, depression, and postpartum depression with all 5 babies.They continue to gain subscribers at a rapid pace and the comments section is actual adults not just 11 yr olds looking for a shout out for their birthday.


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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby Pency » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:36 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:I think one of the things that helps change her was that praise started to fade. A few years ago she was the top Griffiths sister. She had the money, fame and success. Now she shares the fame and success, and gets far more criticism and less praise. Ellie isn't winning anymore, and I think she would usually go full bitch in reaction to this (take her toys and go home), except she can't, because there is no other way for her and Jared to ever make that much money again. She's trapped.


Oh yeah girl you hit the nail on the head here.

jaynshann wrote:Love is not always telling the other person how amazing they are for the way they breath and bake and parent and every other thing they do.... IMO real love is saying "something is not right with you and l am worried. When l look at our videos from just 2years ago l realize you don't seem as happy now as you did then. I love you more than l do our success or our YouTube channel (you know Jared would never say that) who cares what people think, go get help.
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I love this discussion because you're SO RIGHT. Especially this part here. One thing I love so much about my husband is how he calls me out when I need it. Jared walks on eggshells with Ellie, being sure to always tell her how grateful he is that she cooks and how pretty she is, but a partner supports your physical and mental well-being. He seems to do neither of those things well.


I know there are some Mormons on this board -- can somebody tell me what the Mormon stance is on therapy? I have a couple of super religious friends who think "therapy" is going to talk to their preacher who doesn't have anything beyond a Bachelor's degree in religious studies.
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby jaynshann » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:37 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
Pency wrote:I definitely think a lot of Ellie's problems started after Calvin's birth. Undiagnosed and untreated PPD is my guess, because she was a COMPLETELY different person right before she got pregnant with Cal.


I think we just didn't notice what she was like at the time for various reasons.

She didn't seem as shallow because she didn't spend as much money simply because they didn't have as much.

She seems like a loving mother because she only had Jackson to look after. The house was smaller (and so was Jackson), so there was no place to make him play except the closet. He still had hardly any toys though.

She seemed like a kind and giving person because she talked about how kind and giving she was. We still haven't actually seen this is action though.

If she gets pregnant again and completely turns her back on Cal and starts to shun him, then I think it can be argued that she's exactly the same as before. Our perception has just changed. We watch her body language more, and listen to her words less.


I get that... but what's undeniable and shocking is the physical difference. She looks like a different person compared to just 2years ago. I don't pay much attention to their personality because every YouTube Mom l have watched more than 1-2 years has changed personality wise( with Katie being the exception) but Missy looks like Missy give or take 5-10lbs in videos 4 years ago.


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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby wonderwoman123 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:40 pm

I love how she said I can't wait to get trees at the end of the month. That must be when YOU TUBE pays their paycheck. Which makes me wonder if they are spending everything they have. What do you think?
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby jaynshann » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:48 pm

wonderwoman123 wrote:I love how she said I can't wait to get trees at the end of the month. That must be when YOU TUBE pays their paycheck. Which makes me wonder if they are spending everything they have. What do you think?

All that occurred to me hearing that was that is was so sad. She has supposedly longed for the grass "since October" now it's in and what does she say when she looks out the window "l can't wait until the trees are in." It's always the next thing with her... she will die chasing happiness.


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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby whys0seri0us » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:15 pm

Do they not have any landscaping done in the front of their house either?!


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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:25 pm

I doubt her comment about the trees coming at the end of the month has anything to do with finances.
They cant walk on the sod for a few weeks, they likely had to order the trees & since they do nothing themselves theyre at the mercy of when the landscaper can come.
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby bunny88 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:30 pm

I just hate how she "designed" the backyard. A retaining wall about halfway up the hill with pretty bricks or stone would have been so much prettier in my opinion. It would have leveled out that steep slope and they could have had stairs or steps to the upper level. It would have looked beautiful and she would have had so much more useable space than those giant boulders, everywhere.

Oh and she could have done flowerbeds at the edge of the retaining wall, so you would see beautiful flowers over the bricks or stones.
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:37 pm

That yard is a waste, which is why nobody bought it for so long!! The back yard is SO ugly.

I wonder if the builder tried to talk them out of that lot? Its a well established neighborhood with ONE vacant lot, HUGE red flag. I wouldn't want to cut their grass!!!
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby navarjul000 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:43 pm

FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:I doubt her comment about the trees coming at the end of the month has anything to do with finances.
They cant walk on the sod for a few weeks, they likely had to order the trees & since they do nothing themselves theyre at the mercy of when the landscaper can come.


That's what bothers me most about this. They talk about making memories and looking back and thinking of how great everything was all the time, yet they haven't seen the one opportunity to make valuable memories right in front of them. Some of my favorite memories involved playing in the dirt and helping my parents plant flowers and vegetable plants and bushes in our yard. My dad one year even planted cherry, apricot, peach, and pear trees in our yard and I loved waking up early during harvest season to pick the ripe fruits or helping care for and trim trees as they grew. Idk about you, but there's something about working and working and when you're finished seeing the finished product that I have always loved.

Why don't they use their creativity, maybe get ideas off of Pinterest, and landscape themselves? Idk how hard trees are to put in, so I'm not going to assume they're easy, but you don't have to be a professional to plant some flowers and shrubs and make them look nice. I'm sure Jackson would love it. Less expensive than hiring someone too.

Idk, maybe it's just me, but I feel like there are better ways to spend your time than watching people work for you.

They could even include "MAKING MEMORIES" in their vlog title.

Sorry if my post doesn't even make sense, my brain runs at a million miles/hour and sometimes I can't even make sense of my own thoughts.


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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby bunny88 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:44 pm

FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:That yard is a waste, which is why nobody bought it for so long!! The back yard is SO ugly.

I wonder if the builder tried to talk them out of that lot? Its a well established neighborhood with ONE vacant lot, HUGE red flag. I wouldn't want to cut their grass!!!



Oh I agree that lot is terrible, but I think a retaining wall would have helped level out the top part a lot more. Definitely not an ideal lot, but Ellie made a bad situation so much worse. She should have a defined covered patio area. Instead, she spread the pavers/cobblestones out over the entire lower area. I just can't even. I haven't even seen the grass vlog, yet. I don't see how grass could improve it much.
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:47 pm

navarjul000 wrote:
FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:I doubt her comment about the trees coming at the end of the month has anything to do with finances.
They cant walk on the sod for a few weeks, they likely had to order the trees & since they do nothing themselves theyre at the mercy of when the landscaper can come.


That's what bothers me most about this. They talk about making memories and looking back and thinking of how great everything was all the time, yet they haven't seen the one opportunity to make valuable memories right in front of them. Some of my favorite memories involved playing in the dirt and helping my parents plant flowers and vegetable plants and bushes in our yard. My dad one year even planted cherry, apricot, peach, and pear trees in our yard and I loved waking up early during harvest season to pick the ripe fruits or helping care for and trim trees as they grew. Idk about you, but there's something about working and working and when you're finished seeing the finished product that I have always loved.

Why don't they use their creativity, maybe get ideas off of Pinterest, and landscape themselves? Idk how hard trees are to put in, so I'm not going to assume they're easy, but you don't have to be a professional to plant some flowers and shrubs and make them look nice. I'm sure Jackson would love it. Less expensive than hiring someone too.

Idk, maybe it's just me, but I feel like there are better ways to spend your time than watching people work for you.

They could even include "MAKING MEMORIES" in their vlog title.

Sorry if my post doesn't even make sense, my brain runs at a million miles/hour and sometimes I can't even make sense of my own thoughts.


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Depending on how large the trees are, and Im sure instant gratification Ellie ordered the biggest they could, it would be a BIG job to take on yourself...but like you said, shrubs, flowers, that kind of stuff would be fun for them to do as a family!
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby Ducklings4 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:00 pm

navarjul000 wrote:
FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:I doubt her comment about the trees coming at the end of the month has anything to do with finances.
They cant walk on the sod for a few weeks, they likely had to order the trees & since they do nothing themselves theyre at the mercy of when the landscaper can come.


That's what bothers me most about this. They talk about making memories and looking back and thinking of how great everything was all the time, yet they haven't seen the one opportunity to make valuable memories right in front of them. Some of my favorite memories involved playing in the dirt and helping my parents plant flowers and vegetable plants and bushes in our yard. My dad one year even planted cherry, apricot, peach, and pear trees in our yard and I loved waking up early during harvest season to pick the ripe fruits or helping care for and trim trees as they grew. Idk about you, but there's something about working and working and when you're finished seeing the finished product that I have always loved.

Why don't they use their creativity, maybe get ideas off of Pinterest, and landscape themselves? Idk how hard trees are to put in, so I'm not going to assume they're easy, but you don't have to be a professional to plant some flowers and shrubs and make them look nice. I'm sure Jackson would love it. Less expensive than hiring someone too.

Idk, maybe it's just me, but I feel like there are better ways to spend your time than watching people work for you.

They could even include "MAKING MEMORIES" in their vlog title.

Sorry if my post doesn't even make sense, my brain runs at a million miles/hour and sometimes I can't even make sense of my own thoughts.


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Oh, I think Ellie LOVES watching people work for her.

My husband and I have planted lots of things with our kids, and you are right it means so much more when you look back and remember the sapling you planted that now gives you shade. But Ellie likes the memories that make her feel superior to those doing the manual labor.


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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby blahblahblahhh » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:10 pm

Their lawn people will hate them. I'm instantly assuming they will hire gardeners... because after a few weeks they will get sick of doing it themselves just like everything else. There is a spot up there you can see around the time Ellie is standing on her "favorite rock" where it looks like you could probably barely fit a riding lawn mower, because the rocks come out so far that there's a tiny little grass patch to get to the other side. I can just see a lawn service trying to squeeze one of those professional riding mowers through that space and the tumbling down the rock quarry.


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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:14 pm

Could you even get a riding mower up there? lol, its just so awful. That middle section where they say the boys can play soccer and stuff...well what happens when the ball goes rolling down the rocks and one of the poor boys goes after?
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby CallieT » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:15 pm

Maybe they'll hire Joel lol
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby blahblahblahhh » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:17 pm

FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:Could you even get a riding mower up there? lol, its just so awful. That middle section where they say the boys can play soccer and stuff...well what happens when the ball goes rolling down the rocks and one of the poor boys goes after?


I don't even know! I think there's a grass hill strip thing to the right of the steps, but I couldn't even tell if it would be big enough. They probably will have to drag a push mower up 50 different levels. They should just make a pulley system down their rock walls.


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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:18 pm

I definitely don't think Jared will mow the grass, maybe once or twice, but after that they'll be hiring that job out. I wonder if it will be hard to find someone willing to cut that back yard? They'll definitely be paying extra if they can find someone willing to haul a mower up those stupid rocks.
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby HelloSweetie » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:19 pm

CallieT wrote:Maybe they'll hire Joel lol


He already mows his parents' and the Griffith's lawns as well as his own every week. Then again, I get the impression he can't help but step in when he thinks someone is in over their head. He might add it to the weekly routine.

Ellie used to talk about wanting a yard to garden in. What happened to that? She just doesn't do anything.
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:22 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
CallieT wrote:Maybe they'll hire Joel lol


He already mows his parents' and the Griffith's lawns as well as his own every week. Then again, I get the impression he can't help but step in when he thinks someone is in over their head. He might add it to the weekly routine.

Ellie used to talk about wanting a yard to garden in. What happened to that? She just doesn't do anything.



I don't think Joel will. I think he mows his parents and because of that Bonnie insisted he mow her parents as well. But I really don't see him agreeing to mow Jared and Ellie's disaster when Jared is fully capable of doing so himself.
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby Ohnonotme » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:07 pm

wonderwoman123 wrote:I love how she said I can't wait to get trees at the end of the month. That must be when YOU TUBE pays their paycheck. Which makes me wonder if they are spending everything they have. What do you think?

Or it could be something as simple and logical as they're not permitted to walk on the grass for a few weeks. I'm sure they don't want landscapers and their equipment trudging all over their lawn.
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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby Addicted2vlogs » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:51 pm

This has been said already, but I FUCKING HATE THAT BACKYARD. The rocks are awful. No amount of greenery is going to fix that mess.


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Re: E+J - Fake Happy Campers | Part 27

Postby dw30 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:25 pm

tintin15 wrote:Maelin mentioned the all religions have that perfection trait and that's so true. I grew up Christian and I still am (ie believe in Jesus), but I don't follow the ridiculous rules that were placed on me growing up. Christianity has a huge emphasis on purity on the inside rather than perfection on the outside. No sexual thoughts or sex before marriage, no secular music, no unwholesome movies or TV shows or books, dressing modestly, hating gay people, women are subservient, other religions or curiosity of other religions is bad, etc. etc. Halloween was evil, I didn't trick or treat until I was 12. I wasn't allowed to watch or read Harry Potter (or anything with ~evil magic~ for that matter) until well after all the books were out. And the modesty....oof. I got in trouble when I was literally about 10 years old because I wore an off the shoulder shirt with a tank top underneath it so you could see an inch of my shoulder :-o :-o :-o

Strict religious rules are something that stick with you even after you realize they're wrong. I wonder all the time if I'm "wrong" or "sinful" for thoughts, or ideas, or things I do. They terrify you by saying you'll go to hell or bad things will happen to you, and that sticks with you.

Ellie still abides by the Mormon church's rules, which has both rules of inner and outer perfection. You wouldn't believe how much of a toll that can take on a person...I can guarantee that contributes to her weight to the point where it could become a problem mentally. That kind of pressure and guilt can kill you.

I'm not trying to insult the entire Mormon church. Obviously some Mormons are much more lax than others, but I don't think Ellie lucked out on that one...religion can control many aspects of your life, body image definitely included, especially for women.


Sounds like you grew up in an IFB church. I did as well. Fundamentalists are so cult-like it's ridiculous. I feel like they are so obsessed with things that pertain to anything sexual and you'll find that there's a lot of sexual abuse that goes on in the background.

I'm so over the Griffiths girls and their obsession with their outward appearance. Ellie has such a shitty personality and would do better to focus on that! I do think she has some deep issues that are untreated and I think time will reveal a breakdown of some sort.


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