E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

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This thread title is in poor taste, IMO.
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calliepaige84 wrote:[img]//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201709 ... 6dbe87.jpg[/img][img]//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201709 ... fc8fc0.png[/img]

Third m/c?


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JUST came here to post this. I am extremely curious when the other one was? Can we do some sleuthing? It had to have been before they announced they were trying but most definitely after Calvin in general. My whole body perked up when I read this (not because of the sadness.. purely because I love mysteries like this). I was going to finish season 13 of Grey's Anatomy tonight but now I'm off to read some Instagram captions and skim through some vlogs!


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actuallydear wrote:This thread title is in poor taste, IMO.


Agreed.


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"I imagined how sweet Jackson would be to me"
Ugh.


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actuallydear wrote:This thread title is in poor taste, IMO.
Why? I know you've struggled, but so have many of us. I don't see it as meaning that all women who struggle are somehow victims of karma, but I definitely do feel that they faked the first miscarriage, and therefore I do see this as an act of karma.

Have any of the titles been in good taste?
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Nuna wrote:
actuallydear wrote:This thread title is in poor taste, IMO.
Why? I know you've struggled, but so have many of us. I don't see it as meaning that all women who struggle are somehow victims of karma, but I definitely do feel that they faked the first miscarriage, and therefore I do see this as an act of karma.

Have any of the titles been in good taste?
I agree. I've had losses and I'm not offended. Karma is what it is in my eyes. People need to realize that we are talking about E&J specifically and not ANYONE else's journey.

I don't believe there were three miscarriages unless she had one the cycle between the last one and now. It doesn't add up.
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Nuna wrote:
actuallydear wrote:This thread title is in poor taste, IMO.
Why? I know you've struggled, but so have many of us. I don't see it as meaning that all women who struggle are somehow victims of karma, but I definitely do feel that they faked the first miscarriage, and therefore I do see this as an act of karma.

Have any of the titles been in good taste?
My struggle had nothing to do with the fact I think it's not appropriate right now. Though I would hate for someone else to come across it and think 'did I do something to cause *my* miscarriage.' Because there are so many people who have struggled.

Think of this as a Katie VS Missy situation. It may make others cry while others don't mention it and stay dry as a bone.
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Also, at the beginning of that caption she said she's lying in bed waiting for medicine to kick in. Could she be talking about misoprostol? It could just be pain meds or something, but the way it's worded makes me think otherwise. Just yesterday (or in today's vlog) she said it's the waiting that's getting to her the most. I don't know recommended procedures for missed miscarriages much. Just thinking out loud I guess. Her wording sounded like it's actively happening now.


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This thread title is not cool. Some may feel this way but not all of us. I think it crosses a line.
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littlebaby wrote:Also, at the beginning of that caption she said she's lying in bed waiting for medicine to kick in. Could she be talking about misoprostol? It could just be pain meds or something, but the way it's worded makes me think otherwise. Just yesterday (or in today's vlog) she said it's the waiting that's getting to her the most. I don't know recommended procedures for missed miscarriages much. Just thinking out loud I guess. Her wording sounded like it's actively happening now.


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Yes. I assumed that's what it was also.
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onbreak wrote:"I imagined how sweet Jackson would be to me"
Ugh.


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I know-- that jumped out at me too. And it is NOT the boys' job to "help mommy feel better". That is so wrong.
And where did this second miscarriage come from? I don't believe that the Mother's Day fiasco was a real miscarriage to begin with, and it looks like her family didn't either. But ok, they're going with calling it one. And I do believe this one is real. But how does she come up with three? "We vlogged about 2". No you didn't, not that I can recall. But I haven't seen _every_ vlog, so who knows? Unless I am totally misunderstanding her and she means that this one and the Mother's Day "baby" are the two they vlogged about. We all know how hard it can be to understand her.

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I don't have a problem with the title. She freaking called IVF couples on Mother's Day to brag.
I feel for her, miscarriage sucks. BUT she was horrid. You get what you give.
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And when did the third miscarriage happen? I know she considers the clear blue period one but that's still only two. There wasn't a pregnancy before Jackson and there wasn't one in between Jackson and Calvin. She's such a liar.
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They never mentioned another miscarriage at all in the last vlog. They clearly didn't miscarry before Cal, so it could only have been after. There were no concerns about a miscarriage prior to the first one, and no concerns prior to the latest one. We are supposed to believe there was another miscarriage sometime in between or prior to those though?

Sounds to me like someone is fudging the numbers so they can get a workup by a specialist faster. I was a member of (ironically) the Bump after my losses, and women would quite often lie in order to be seen soon. Its pretty common for clinics to refuse to do a workup until there have been 3 or more.

I know everyone is on the defence right now and wants to protect them, but I really do think they are lying.
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FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:And when did the third miscarriage happen? I know she considers the clear blue period one but that's still only two. There wasn't a pregnancy before Jackson and there wasn't one in between Jackson and Calvin. She's such a liar.
She had two losses and yet was so confident about this pregnancy that she took her two children to the viability scan and scheduled a photoshoot for the same day. No fucking way. If it happened prior to the MD announcement, then its EXTRA awful that they called the IVF couple's right away.

And can we talk a little more about her infertility if she gets pregnant every time she ovulates?!
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FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:And when did the third miscarriage happen? I know she considers the clear blue period one but that's still only two. There wasn't a pregnancy before Jackson and there wasn't one in between Jackson and Calvin. She's such a liar.
I think they had an early miss before Jackson. Because I don't believe they had one between Jackson and Calvin because she said in Calvin's pregnancy announcement that she only had one period and that is why they were shocked she got pregnant with Calvin. Then she went on the IUD so they wouldn't get pregnant after Calvin and then she pretty much documented every cycle after she had the IUD out. But before Jackson they had been trying for 5 years and that was before YouTube so that is my guess.


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HelloSweetie wrote:
FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:And when did the third miscarriage happen? I know she considers the clear blue period one but that's still only two. There wasn't a pregnancy before Jackson and there wasn't one in between Jackson and Calvin. She's such a liar.
She had two losses and yet was so confident about this pregnancy that she took her two children to the viability scan and scheduled a photoshoot for the same day. No fucking way. If it happened prior to the MD announcement, then its EXTRA awful that they called the IVF couple's right away.

And can we talk a little more about her infertility if she gets pregnant every time she ovulates?!
My bet is she had a heavy period after getting her IUD put it and now looking back after having a miscarriage, she thinks it was heavy enough to be a miscarriage.

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It shouldn't be very hard to find this mystery miscarriage, look for any time that she looked somewhat of a healthy weight. In those pictures she just posted she looks 4 months pregnant.
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There is tons of positivity in the comments and ellie or jared is commenting on some of them. A few are saying they love the new vlogging style the past few vlogs and how they are more open. Maybe they will take this to heart. Their views lately are reflecting the quality of vlogging. People don't want to see their fake happy selves every single day barely showing anything interesting,and being secretive. One person even said they stopped watching for a while but will start watching again if the vlogs continue the way they have the past few days. This is a step in the right direction but I still don't think Ellie is a good person. I feel terrible for her though.

And for those saying she "faked" her pregnancy and miscarriage before. I honestly don't think she did. I think she saw a faint line on the test and jumped the gun on sharing the news. Telling the ivf grant winners on mothers day was terribly shitty but I really think in Ellie's mind she was pregnant. I think she had a chemical pregnancy, to some people those are still devastating. I am also wondering when her loss was previously, maybe she got pregnant after calvin/before she got the iud and was somewhat relieved since at that time she was bat shit crazy and struggling with his sleeping issues. I am not sure if she got pregnant before jackson I haven't watched her that long or heard all of her infertility back story.
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djcbcn wrote:I don't know why you guys think Jared was the one that made the boys go to the appointment. Yeah Ellie said this is why she didn't want to bring them, but if she ultimately didn't want them to go, they would not have been there. We all know Jared does everything he can to keep her happy. The way I took it was she was concerned but in the end decided to do it anyway.

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I'm also not sure why people are assuming this. During that vlog they say they weren't planning on telling Jackson yet and waiting for the ultrasound. Jared says yes because then they could should him a picture, and Ellie says "Or take him". Seems like her idea to me.
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