E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

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RecklessDisregard wrote: I will say that Ellie's Instagram post was well above her usual standard of writing.
Sorry to double post, but I totally agree! Halfway through I forgot I was reading her words (that is, until I saw the word "tender")
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jillvstheworld wrote:
RecklessDisregard wrote: I will say that Ellie's Instagram post was well above her usual standard of writing.
Sorry to double post, but I totally agree! Halfway through I forgot I was reading her words (that is, until I saw the word "tender")
LOL :lol: :lol: Therez always some ulterior motive with Ellie..!!
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People are acting like wouldn't lie had me confused because we've seen many times they have no problem lying. Couldn't sleep last night so I went back and watched A LOT of the more recent vlogs to try and figure out if they even said anything in their little "talks" they give to suggest they have had a loss and NOTHING. All they talk about is the regret of not having more footage from the beginning days of TTC Jackson, and how they are going to show everything from the start. Then the MD loss happens, and they later talk about how hurt they are that their openness wasn't received well, and how next time they may wait a bit to tell, but will still share good or bad.

People can give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't lying, but I'm telling you, none of the calls to the doctors even suggested a miscarriage concern or history, and neither did E&J's behaviour. The miscarriage announcement vlog they went on and on about how great the ninth was keeping the pregnancy to themselves and how they had NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE.

If they aren't lying for faster care (which sorry, is unethical), then they are lying for the sympathy (Pain Olympics) and they definitely wouldn't be the first couple to do this. I think we all know a person like THAT.

They can't cry IF anymore, so their channel can now be based on loss. Not the average everyday unfortunate loss, but repeat loss. There is a difference between 2 losses and 3 imo, and I don't think it's an insignificant lie at all.

But if they had a history of m/c and still HAD to call the IVF couple's on MD, then that is even more ignorant and awful than we thought.
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We're all entitled to think what we want.. And I think jareds behavior speaks the loudest.. He had no idea how to handle the Mother's Day Ellie

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I wonder if Ellie had another heavy period and decided she was having another miscarriage after MD. She would not have thought she was pregnant, but then got a heavy period so she said oh I must have been pregnant and I miscarried like the last time. I don't know if I made sense of what I think her thought process is, I am just surmising.


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I think Ellie invites the speculation. She could have just left it at miscarriages but she put a number to get more sympathy or attention. If she doesn't want to talk about it, why mention it?
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Sarai wrote:I think Ellie invites the speculation. She could have just left it at miscarriages but she put a number to get more sympathy or attention. If she doesn't want to talk about it, why mention it?

Because then when they turn up at the fertility clinic most of the viewers won't question it, she's had the standard 3 losses.

I still stand by she's lying. There is nobody who has suffered 2 previous miscarriages who would be so confident that a 3rd wouldn't happen.
If I had more time, and cared enough, I'd go back and watch the Mother's Day "miscarriage" because I'm sure Ellie or Jared said something about never having done this before. And there's no way they had a miscarriage after that but before this one that they didn't share. They would have shared the same way they did this time.
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FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:
Sarai wrote:I think Ellie invites the speculation. She could have just left it at miscarriages but she put a number to get more sympathy or attention. If she doesn't want to talk about it, why mention it?

Because then when they turn up at the fertility clinic most of the viewers won't question it, she's had the standard 3 losses.

I still stand by she's lying. There is nobody who has suffered 2 previous miscarriages who would be so confident that a 3rd wouldn't happen.
If I had more time, and cared enough, I'd go back and watch the Mother's Day "miscarriage" because I'm sure Ellie or Jared said something about never having done this before. And there's no way they had a miscarriage after that but before this one that they didn't share. They would have shared the same way they did this time.
Yep. Plus in the vlog when she talks to the doctors office for her first round of hcg results (the "but it's there vlog") she later says it is the hardest day they have had in 4 years of vlogging. So a miscarriage risk is worse than an actual miscarriage?

A bit OT but I had forgotten that she took Jackson to that initial doctor's visit as well instead of leaving him home with Jared. He really does get more attention when he's involved in her pregnancies. He was also there when she talked about how sad she was feeling about the miscarriage, and then later again when she updated how she was doing. It's just so inappropriate.
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"Usually I don't read, I like to listen to books."

Anyone else immediately thought "Sponsored by Audible"? Lmao, watching too many youtubers...

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Is it at all possible that, somehow, she had a very, very early miscarriage between Mother's Day and this one? They claimed they were going to take a month off trying, so if they lied and tried anyway then miscarried, they probably would have kept it hidden so no one could call them out for lying. That's probably a little far fetched, though.

I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt here, but I think they're lying. Why mention the third one now? Why not mention it along with the Mother's Day pregnancy, that it was their second miscarriage? Why keep it hidden at all when you're all about infertility and TTCing? How is Ellie so confident if she had already had two, then this third one?

Also, if they are lying to get treatment, no it is not okay. If Ellie is lying and then gets into the doctor, that takes treatment away from someone who is actually infertile and who has actually had a lot of consecutive losses. Ellie is not infertile, and I'm almost certain her miscarriages are more likely to be problems with the baby than her fertility. She doesn't need treatment, she needs to take care of herself and hope/pray for the best.

If she has solid proof of other miscarriages, I'll give it to her, but she doesn't need to lying to get herself in to see a specialist. It's unfair to people who have no children and want them desperately, but need help.
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Can we please change this title to something more neutral? It's very offensive to some of us. No I am not a fan of these 2, but this is way too much and too hateful
IMO and it sounds like several of us too.
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Also, can someone fill me in when she mentioned the 3rd miscarriage? Was it in a vlog, social media, etc.?
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But they could have had a miscarriage before Jackson and lied by omission to get treated at the infertility clinic. I tend to think they embellished how long they were actively trying to conceive in order to be treated..
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workfromhomemom wrote:Also, can someone fill me in when she mentioned the 3rd miscarriage? Was it in a vlog, social media, etc.?
On Instagram. Someone posted a screenshot a few pages back.

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jillvstheworld wrote:Alright, I want to put in my own two cents here.

First of all, I don't believe Ellie is lying about that third mystery miscarriage. What benefit would it give her? She's already suffered two (or at least, that's what the viewers have been told) and she's already got a lot of sympathy coming her way. Plus, saying she has had three wouldn't make her any more or less valid than a mother who has only suffered two. A loss is a loss, regardless of if it's your first or your tenth.

With that in mind, I doubt it happened before Jackson. I remember those early vlogs featured long, open consultations with the IF doctors, and not once was a miscarriage or previous pregnancy mentioned or even referenced. Plus, as some of you have mentioned, they were so much more transparent back then. If they had had a miscarriage, we would've known.

My best guess is that is happened post-Calvin, pre-IUD. Think about it. We speculate that the whole mother's day fiasco was a big sponsorship for Clearblue, right? Maybe they were so quick to jump the gun on that pregnancy BECAUSE of the soonsorship. They wanted to line it up with mother's day and they wanted the money, so they announced their pregnancy early on and hoped for the best. Of course it wasn't the smartest move, but Ellie and Jared aren't exactly the smartest people. And when it comes to money, as we've seen, they'll do just about anything.
The benefit of her lying is that according to some here, 3 miscarriages is the "magic number" (for lack of words, not trying to downplay losses) for her to be seen or treated at a fertility clinic. She would totally lie to get in the door faster so that Ellie gets what Ellie wants when Ellie wants it.
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westwuff wrote:But they could have had a miscarriage before Jackson and lied by omission to get treated at the infertility clinic. I tend to think they embellished how long they were actively trying to conceive in order to be treated..
Ellie gets new eyebrows and we hear about it for a week. She has a miscarriage and it's never mentioned ever?

Plus she hasn't for a second acted like someone who believes bad things could happen to her. Throughout the weeks she was sure she was pregnant surrounding MD, slow rising numbers were never even considered. It was just all just a mystery to her.

When they said in their fertility breakdown that they had never been pregnant they had already started seeing the fertility specialist, so I don't think they had kept that a secret to lie by omission. There was also a recent vlog where they talked about Joan and how devastating a miscarriage scare can be and that they know this from RUBY and what happened with Calvin. I seriously went back and watched a lot, and Cal is brought up over and over again like his scare was the worst thing to ever happen to them. Then Ellie makes the comment that waiting for the MD pregnancy blood test results was the hardest thing in 4 years of vlogging. Then they repeatedly say two vlogs ago that this was the first pregnancy they kept to themselves.

It's totally a lie. I can't believe people are falling for it. Go back and watch for yourselves. It's not there.
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One more comment and then I'll drop it... but if they had previously had a miscarriage and chose to keep it quiet for their own privacy, then why make the IVF applicants open up and tell their own story for all to see?
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So Ellie got a cold sore after she borrowed Bonnie's lipstick??? Shocker!
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mandylouwho wrote:So Ellie got a cold sore after she borrowed Bonnie's lipstick??? Shocker!
She already had it.
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HelloSweetie wrote:One more comment and then I'll drop it... but if they had previously had a miscarriage and chose to keep it quiet for their own privacy, then why make the IVF applicants open up and tell their own story for all to see?
Good point.

I seriously want to know when this happened. Because lying your way into the fertility ocmmunity is NOT cool. I can accept that she's just too dim to realize how ttc works, but clearly you dont have any issues getting pregnant if you have had a total of 5 pregnancies. Maybe youre not ovulating as often as most but a lot of that is related to body fat %.

They were open that before Jacksons pregnancy they had never gotten a positive. So it didnt happen then. And after Jackson she had one cycle and got pregnant the next with Calvin so it didnt happen then either. After Calvin it could have potentially happened before she got the IUD but I truly believe they would have talked about it, if not when it happened ($$$) then during the previous "miscarriage".

She's flat out lying. Which shouldnt surprise me, but it does disgust me.
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