E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

[PumpkinHead]

Maybe Ellie got pregnant with the IUD and miscarried sometime around.. say, November or December? She looked extremely gaunt and sickly around that time, and seemed particularly pissy around the holidays. And then the Hawaii trip in January, maybe part of it was that she was in a bad place and wanted to get away and relax for a week. I don't know how far in advance the trip was planned though.

Anyway, sorry if this sounds completely absurd, just spitballing here haha

[nutbagmcgee]

23 seconds into todays vlog and I am over it already. Everything is such a freaking production with them anymore.


Ellies bitchiness comes through again at 6:05, Jared is praising his mom, how she made a thoughtful gift for them and Ellie cut him off to talk about how SHE feels.

[PumpkinHead]

And for the record, I doubt that she actually had three miscarriages. I'm just trying to convince myself that they wouldn't be so horrible as to make up a random miscarriage.. but, who am I kidding? They totally would. I'm of the opinion that the MD miscarriage wasn't real and Ellie just got her period. If she had had one, let alone two, other losses why would she have to push to hard to get started on progesterone? Why weren't they concerned AT ALL? Just when I think E+J can't possibly get any worse.. they prove me wrong time and time again!

[RecklessDisregard]

Again, do we know for sure that the whole Clearblue thing was an ad? Was that ever confirmed? It just all seems weird to me, but I agree with you. If CB was sponsoring, I wouldn't put it past Jared to let her believe it and orchestrate it all for the money, especially with their views lacking like they have been.

I saw that you asked earlier and figured someone who has done more legwork than I have might have a more definitive answer for you... But I just re-watched the Mother's Day announcement vlog, and can say that they did not disclose it as a sponsorship. I loaded it without adblock enabled (3x), and did get an unskippable ad on the video each time, so it apparently was not reported to YT as sponsored content either.

I felt like it really looked like a product placement, what with the multiple ClearBlue tests featured prominently, up close, and Ellie's insistence that she "felt pregnant" and was so excited to finally get a confirmation test when all the others had been negative.

My understanding is there's a lot more gray area involved with product placement than there is with a straight sponsorship. But officially, no, there's no proof.

[HelloSweetie]

Again, do we know for sure that the whole Clearblue thing was an ad? Was that ever confirmed? It just all seems weird to me, but I agree with you. If CB was sponsoring, I wouldn't put it past Jared to let her believe it and orchestrate it all for the money, especially with their views lacking like they have been.

I saw that you asked earlier and figured someone who has done more legwork than I have might have a more definitive answer for you... But I just re-watched the Mother's Day announcement vlog, and can say that they did not disclose it as a sponsorship. I loaded it without adblock enabled (3x), and did get an unskippable ad on the video each time, so it apparently was not reported to YT as sponsored content either.

I felt like it really looked like a product placement, what with the multiple ClearBlue tests featured prominently, up close, and Ellie's insistence that she "felt pregnant" and was so excited to finally get a confirmation test when all the others had been negative.

My understanding is there's a lot more gray area involved with product placement than there is with a straight sponsorship. But officially, no, there's no proof.

I think they used a CB test because it was the only one even sort of showing up positive.

She has a history of taking many different brands at a time, so it's strange in and of itself for us to only see the one test brand, and a brand that they have never used before.

[Bethypooh51]

I haven't watched today's vlog but last night I was perusing the forum and found a group for the Nive Nulls. I used to watch them a long time ago when Audra was born. Well they are divorcing due to his infidelity. So I went over to their channel which is now renamed and her channel and I started watching the episode where he was telling the camera that they were divorcing and he had a bit to say about Youtube and the YouTube world. He said everything that the viewers see is basically a fantasy world. That the images YouTubers create for our entertainment are all exaggerated and that filming your life can be edited into whatever you want someone to believe. That is what I feel about Ellie and Jared. They have become masters at manipulating a situation to look like what their brand represents. Filming Ellie miscarrying is just wrong on so many levels. The fact that Jared doesn't see that, is so worrisome. I think he is so desperate to grow their channel that he has crossed the line. Can you imagine what their real life looks like? I wonder if we would all be shocked??


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[Playsinrain]

Again, do we know for sure that the whole Clearblue thing was an ad? Was that ever confirmed? It just all seems weird to me, but I agree with you. If CB was sponsoring, I wouldn't put it past Jared to let her believe it and orchestrate it all for the money, especially with their views lacking like they have been.

I saw that you asked earlier and figured someone who has done more legwork than I have might have a more definitive answer for you... But I just re-watched the Mother's Day announcement vlog, and can say that they did not disclose it as a sponsorship. I loaded it without adblock enabled (3x), and did get an unskippable ad on the video each time, so it apparently was not reported to YT as sponsored content either.

I felt like it really looked like a product placement, what with the multiple ClearBlue tests featured prominently, up close, and Ellie's insistence that she "felt pregnant" and was so excited to finally get a confirmation test when all the others had been negative.

My understanding is there's a lot more gray area involved with product placement than there is with a straight sponsorship. But officially, no, there's no proof.

I think they used a CB test because it was the only one even sort of showing up positive.

She has a history of taking many different brands at a time, so it's strange in and of itself for us to only see the one test brand, and a brand that they have never used before.

But even with the ovulation tests she was ONLY shown buying ClearBlue tests (looking back, there is a CB ovulation test box in a thumbnail, along with the positive one in the Disney castle thumbnail and one in the thumbnail when she got the evap line) , and made sure you knew 100% thats what brand they were using. (which, if we really dig deep here.. she was told NOT to use ovulation tests, but did so anyway and used clearblue, so i assume buying and using those were stipulations of the deal) Now, this time, i think i saw 15 different brands of tests in that pile. Which means she isn't strictly using CBE tests this time around....

[HelloSweetie]

^^^^ and didn't use CBE tests with Jackson or Calvin either.

[Playsinrain]

^^^^ and didn't use CBE tests with Jackson or Calvin either.

Didn't know about that, even better...

[canmom2]

OK, I plead ignorance about fertility clinics. I did not seek treatment when I had the opportunity (which I regret), but that's neither here nor there.

I'm aware that changing her "2 miscarriages" story to 3 in order to expedite treatment is unethical, but it still didn't really disturb me, which perhaps says something about my character, but is not a hill I care to die on.

I assumed that if E+J could pay, then there were enough specialists to go around. That has been the case in specialties I am more familiar with. It's a shitty and unfair system for those with poor insurance or none at all, but people with good coverage or who can self-pay at premium rates generally get excellent and timely treatment (again, in other specialties).

So I was not aware that Ellie getting treatment would prevent someone else (who didn't lie) from getting it.

I dont know what kind of fertility centres you guys go to but i didnt need miscarriages. The admins pretend to be better than Ellie but this title kinda says it all. There have been enough complaints about it and it hasnt been changed. Really 1 complaint should be enough one person saying they were hurt and offended should be enough. So can all the Ellies on here explain why regular peoples feelings cannot be taken into consideration.

[red3head]

When she had her "miscarriage" after the Mother's Day announcement did her sisters discuss it publicly? Julie and Bonnie talked about this one in their video and ruby made an instagram post about it. Why would they do it for this one and not the other one?


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[Playsinrain]

When she had her "miscarriage" after the Mother's Day announcement did her sisters discuss it publicly? Julie and Bonnie talked about this one in their video and ruby made an instagram post about it. Why would they do it for this one and not the other one?


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Bc everyone but Ellie knew she just got her period... but they can't say that to Ellie because.. well.. shes Ellie.

[Playsinrain]

OK, I plead ignorance about fertility clinics. I did not seek treatment when I had the opportunity (which I regret), but that's neither here nor there.

I'm aware that changing her "2 miscarriages" story to 3 in order to expedite treatment is unethical, but it still didn't really disturb me, which perhaps says something about my character, but is not a hill I care to die on.

I assumed that if E+J could pay, then there were enough specialists to go around. That has been the case in specialties I am more familiar with. It's a shitty and unfair system for those with poor insurance or none at all, but people with good coverage or who can self-pay at premium rates generally get excellent and timely treatment (again, in other specialties).

So I was not aware that Ellie getting treatment would prevent someone else (who didn't lie) from getting it.

I dont know what kind of fertility centres you guys go to but i didnt need miscarriages. The admins pretend to be better than Ellie but this title kinda says it all. There have been enough complaints about it and it hasnt been changed. Really 1 complaint should be enough one person saying they were hurt and offended should be enough. So can all the Ellies on here explain why regular peoples feelings cannot be taken into consideration.

I think the main thing about the title is... its not about anyone here, its about Ellie and Jared. People are projecting. There is nothing in the title that says it is even about her miscarriage. In my eyes E&J do very much need lessons in karma. You do bad shit, you get bad shit. there are plenty of things that they do to put bad karma out there, that have nothing to do with her current situation.

[amyfalafal]

oy the vlog was too much. I dont like that they are making it a huge production. Miscarriages happen more than people realise, yes, but so much of it like Jared showing off that he brought her flowers, the beginning where Jared is sitting in the bathroom in the distance... (and gross how the kids are eating fried chicken in bed). I've had my share of losses and yes it IS AWFUL, everyone grieves differently, I dont deny that, and I guess they're grieving publicly BUT since they have control of what goes on the vlog I find it distasteful how they're editing everything to be so extra dramatic.

The title. So do people feel Ellie deserved a miscarriage? Majority of people, myself included, think this is the real deal, and I know mothers day gate was in her head, more than anything else, but I think it's awful to think there are people who are laughing or happy Ellie is having a loss. Doesnt matter if it's Ellie, or someone else, I'd never wish any losses on anyone, even being in this group doesnt make me want Ellie or Jared or other youtube mums to have a los as much as they annoy me. Maybe I'd wish their youtube career goes down for reality check but not a loss of a baby..

[FakingIt_MakingIt]

OK, I plead ignorance about fertility clinics. I did not seek treatment when I had the opportunity (which I regret), but that's neither here nor there.

I'm aware that changing her "2 miscarriages" story to 3 in order to expedite treatment is unethical, but it still didn't really disturb me, which perhaps says something about my character, but is not a hill I care to die on.

I assumed that if E+J could pay, then there were enough specialists to go around. That has been the case in specialties I am more familiar with. It's a shitty and unfair system for those with poor insurance or none at all, but people with good coverage or who can self-pay at premium rates generally get excellent and timely treatment (again, in other specialties).

So I was not aware that Ellie getting treatment would prevent someone else (who didn't lie) from getting it.

I dont know what kind of fertility centres you guys go to but i didnt need miscarriages. The admins pretend to be better than Ellie but this title kinda says it all. There have been enough complaints about it and it hasnt been changed. Really 1 complaint should be enough one person saying they were hurt and offended should be enough. So can all the Ellies on here explain why regular peoples feelings cannot be taken into consideration.

I think the main thing about the title is... its not about anyone here, its about Ellie and Jared. People are projecting. There is nothing in the title that says it is even about her miscarriage. In my eyes E&J do very much need lessons in karma. You do bad shit, you get bad shit. there are plenty of things that they do to put bad karma out there, that have nothing to do with her current situation.

Exactly. If the mods deleted or changed everything that someone took offence to here there wouldn't even be a gossip site.

Ellie (and Jared) are not good people. They're not nice, they're not kind, they're not compassionate, they're not understanding. Regardless of this whole miscarriage mess they've created they have some bad karma coming their way.


Also, I agree with the comment about her sisters only commenting publicly on this miscarriage because they know the clear blue one was nothing more then her first period after her iud removal.

This miscarriage is obviously real. And I feel bad for Ellie and wouldn't wish it on her. But after her call on Mother's Day to the ivf couples to brag about a pregnancy that didn't even exist, well, karma sucks. She deserves the crap she is getting here, and I'm sure from commenters who are above the age of 12 and can put two and two together that this miscarriage is night and day different from the supposed last miscarriage.

[HelloSweetie]

OK, I plead ignorance about fertility clinics. I did not seek treatment when I had the opportunity (which I regret), but that's neither here nor there.

I'm aware that changing her "2 miscarriages" story to 3 in order to expedite treatment is unethical, but it still didn't really disturb me, which perhaps says something about my character, but is not a hill I care to die on.

I assumed that if E+J could pay, then there were enough specialists to go around. That has been the case in specialties I am more familiar with. It's a shitty and unfair system for those with poor insurance or none at all, but people with good coverage or who can self-pay at premium rates generally get excellent and timely treatment (again, in other specialties).

So I was not aware that Ellie getting treatment would prevent someone else (who didn't lie) from getting it.

I dont know what kind of fertility centres you guys go to but i didnt need miscarriages. The admins pretend to be better than Ellie but this title kinda says it all. There have been enough complaints about it and it hasnt been changed. Really 1 complaint should be enough one person saying they were hurt and offended should be enough. So can all the Ellies on here explain why regular peoples feelings cannot be taken into consideration.

You do realize that the mods aren't actually paid and that they have better things to do than sit around and keep up with every board all day, everyday? People have been bitching about the title here for sure, but has anyone even messaged a mod?

And no, they can't change every title that offends even one person. That would be chaos.

[amyfalafal]

OK, I plead ignorance about fertility clinics. I did not seek treatment when I had the opportunity (which I regret), but that's neither here nor there.

I'm aware that changing her "2 miscarriages" story to 3 in order to expedite treatment is unethical, but it still didn't really disturb me, which perhaps says something about my character, but is not a hill I care to die on.

I assumed that if E+J could pay, then there were enough specialists to go around. That has been the case in specialties I am more familiar with. It's a shitty and unfair system for those with poor insurance or none at all, but people with good coverage or who can self-pay at premium rates generally get excellent and timely treatment (again, in other specialties).

So I was not aware that Ellie getting treatment would prevent someone else (who didn't lie) from getting it.

I dont know what kind of fertility centres you guys go to but i didnt need miscarriages. The admins pretend to be better than Ellie but this title kinda says it all. There have been enough complaints about it and it hasnt been changed. Really 1 complaint should be enough one person saying they were hurt and offended should be enough. So can all the Ellies on here explain why regular peoples feelings cannot be taken into consideration.

You do realize that the mods aren't actually paid and that they have better things to do than sit around and keep up with every board all day, everyday? People have been bitching about the title here for sure, but has anyone even messaged a mod?

And no, they can't change every title that offends even one person. That would be chaos.

I dont think people want the title changed right now, just a tiny ounce of thought to accept a title. It is a public forum, not full of snow flakes. Surely a sensitive topic such as miscarriage should have more consideration for the public on this forum? People who did go through losses will of course feel sensitive regardless if its toward someone else, a loss is not a funny joke or wished upon others. People dont deserve loss.

[canmom2]

To respond to the posts regarding the title...

1. No one complained to moderators about the title. Coming here to complain doesn't count... If you want something changed, you need to come directly to us. We don't read every thread.

2. I'm not changing the title. The title isn't about YOU. This is a drama forum... Did you really expect there to be a sweet title? Who says karma is referring to the loss anyway?

3. There are plenty of women here who have suffered losses and aren't offended by the title so that argument is irrelevant.

4. Some of you are acting as if the skeptical people are wishing loss on people. I haven't read one comment where anyone is cheering or happy that this happened. This is a discussion board where people are welcome to discuss their opinions. I'm not censoring them because E+J are suddenly special snowflakes due to their loss. Missy and Bryan's loss has been discussed and speculated about. We talk about Joan. We've talked about Tayler's losses. E+J are no different.

ETA: I liked the previous post by accident. Damn you, clumsy thumbs!

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This post just shows that you have no respect for anyone . You are as bad if not worse than Ellie. You saw the complaints and are still refusing to consider peoples feeling. Miscarriage has nothing to do with a snowflake that statement proved that you are inconsiderate worse than Ellie. Offending people on here has nothing to do with E&J.

[FakingIt_MakingIt]

To respond to the posts regarding the title...

1. No one complained to moderators about the title. Coming here to complain doesn't count... If you want something changed, you need to come directly to us. We don't read every thread.

2. I'm not changing the title. The title isn't about YOU. This is a drama forum... Did you really expect there to be a sweet title? Who says karma is referring to the loss anyway?

3. There are plenty of women here who have suffered losses and aren't offended by the title so that argument is irrelevant.

4. Some of you are acting as if the skeptical people are wishing loss on people. I haven't read one comment where anyone is cheering or happy that this happened. This is a discussion board where people are welcome to discuss their opinions. I'm not censoring them because E+J are suddenly special snowflakes due to their loss. Missy and Bryan's loss has been discussed and speculated about. We talk about Joan. We've talked about Tayler's losses. E+J are no different.

ETA: I liked the previous post by accident. Damn you, clumsy thumbs!

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Thank you!
This title is about Ellie and Jared. They've got a lot of bad karma coming to them.
I've suffered miscarriages as well and I am not offended at all by this title.
You can't cater to everyone on this board. There have been things that offended me, I just move on.

[BadWolf]

This post just shows that you have no respect for anyone . You are as bad if not worse than Ellie. You saw the complaints and are still refusing to consider peoples feeling. Miscarriage has nothing to do with a snowflake that statement proved that you are inconsiderate worse than Ellie. Offending people on here has nothing to do with E&J.

But other people have said they have suffered losses as well and don't take issue with it. If you don't like the tone of these boards, you don't need to post here.

You really seem to like E&J, and don't agree with most of what is said here anyway. The miscarriage isn't going to change most people's minds about them, so if you think this is suddenly going to be a more pro-E&J board I think you're wrong.

I think calling out the mods is a bit crazy, and calling Krypto worse than Ellie because she won't change the title is just absurd. Whether you think it's insensitive not, is it really more insensitive than actually calling a loss mom on Mother's Day to tell her you're 2 seconds pregnant? I say NOT.