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Postby canmom2 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:53 am

I wonder where are going so many Islands are destroyed.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby lmmomSD » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:38 am

boredmamaneedsdrama wrote:
RubyRed wrote:Browsing Instagram and I see a profile for "Matt Mecham" pop up. He & his wife are expecting their 4th baby, due in April. Is this Jared's brother? Cousin? Either way, that's got to hurt.


That's Jared's brother. They vlog too, just look for "Matt and Em Vlogs" on youtube.
And when they announced their pregnancy, they got slammed by E&J minions saying how rude it was for them to get pregnant while E&J were "struggling". Please. This was before the miscarriage.

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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby lmmomSD » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:53 am

There are still islands that weren't destroyed. Barbados is ok, Turks and Caicos are open to tourism again, Jamaica is fine, as are Cozumel, the Cayman islands, the Bahamas and the Disney private island, Castaway Cay. I wouldn't want to cruise the Caribbean during hurricane season, but whatever.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby RubyRed » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:19 am

lmmomSD wrote:
boredmamaneedsdrama wrote:
RubyRed wrote:Browsing Instagram and I see a profile for "Matt Mecham" pop up. He & his wife are expecting their 4th baby, due in April. Is this Jared's brother? Cousin? Either way, that's got to hurt.


That's Jared's brother. They vlog too, just look for "Matt and Em Vlogs" on youtube.
And when they announced their pregnancy, they got slammed by E&J minions saying how rude it was for them to get pregnant while E&J were "struggling". Please. This was before the miscarriage.

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Oh yeah I don't think it was rude or anything. Just that I'm sure it'a hard for Ellie to hear, whether she shows it or not.

Someone said they had 5 miscarriages? That's awful.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby YTIUH » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:38 am

littlebaby wrote:Guyssss i had a dream I was at E+J’s house and hanging out with Calvin (Jackson wasn’t in my dream at all) and Calvin was talking up a storm!! He said something about blueberry pie and wanting to take a picture with me. I even cried in my dream because I was so happy he was talking! It was so realistic that I might warm up to Calvin irl too. Weird stuff.

It’s so interesting when one of us has a dream about vloggers lmao but I love hearing them so I figured I’d share!


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I had a dream I had to take care of Calvin and he was not responding to any of my talks :(
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby YTIUH » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:41 am

ewokfan11 wrote:
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Addicted2vlogs wrote:Exactly! Also don't know if it's been mentioned already, but they have always split a whole days vlog up into a couple days of vlogs and just switched their clothes. Ruby uses that trick all the time. They definitely haven't daily vlogged for 1110 days straight. I swear they think we're all dumb.


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How could you catch that? What gives it up?


Most family vloggers (and YTers in general) do it. It's an easy trick.


I know it would be easy. I was asking how cold you tell if a given vlog has been pre-recorded?
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby HeatherNancine » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:02 pm

RecklessDisregard wrote:Ma Griffiths mentioned a long time ago that she wanted to go on a cruise. So I agree it's a family thing. I wonder if Julie is going.


Grandma Griff has been posting Instagram stories from Europe over the last week or so. Don't think she would be back in time for a cruise.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby canmom2 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:07 pm

littlebaby wrote:Guyssss i had a dream I was at E+J’s house and hanging out with Calvin (Jackson wasn’t in my dream at all) and Calvin was talking up a storm!! He said something about blueberry pie and wanting to take a picture with me. I even cried in my dream because I was so happy he was talking! It was so realistic that I might warm up to Calvin irl too. Weird stuff.

It’s so interesting when one of us has a dream about vloggers lmao but I love hearing them so I figured I’d share!


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Just like Jackson is not in some of the vlogs at all. Lol
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Emma8385 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:18 pm

This is my first time posting here because I can’t sit back any longer and read ridiculous comments like this about Mormon culture. I have no clue where you are getting this information, but it’s completely laughable. I’ve lived in Utah my entire life and have grown up in the same culture that Ellie has her whole life. Let me educate you... Mormon women are encouraged to seek an education to be able to gain knowledge, better themselves and be able to be self sufficient. They are NOT told they are supposed to have five or more kids. Yes, they are encouraged to have children, but the number absolutely does not matter. There may be some people out there who judge for having less, but that’s on them. That’s not because that is what is taught or upheld. Mormons are not taught to “fake being happy” no matter what is going on in their lives, but instead are taught to count their blessings and lean on the Lord for comfort and guidance. The happiness comes from knowledge and faith of greater things to come and a loving Heavenly Father and Savior who understands all pain and sorrow. Mormonism is not a cult and the women are not taught to be perfect “stepford wives”. The culture may seem strange or foreign to some and I can understand that if I were not rom here. Please don’t bash something you know absolutely nothing about.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby wonderwoman123 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:20 pm

In 2010 I one a trip to Disney World. It was at the beginning of October. That is Disney's slowest time of year so that is when they give out free trips. The timing of this trip makes it obvious that this was paid for!
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby trumputin » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:40 pm

Emma8385 wrote:This is my first time posting here because I can’t sit back any longer and read ridiculous comments like this about Mormon culture. I have no clue where you are getting this information, but it’s completely laughable. I’ve lived in Utah my entire life and have grown up in the same culture that Ellie has her whole life. Let me educate you... Mormon women are encouraged to seek an education to be able to gain knowledge, better themselves and be able to be self sufficient. They are NOT told they are supposed to have five or more kids. Yes, they are encouraged to have children, but the number absolutely does not matter. There may be some people out there who judge for having less, but that’s on them. That’s not because that is what is taught or upheld. Mormons are not taught to “fake being happy” no matter what is going on in their lives, but instead are taught to count their blessings and lean on the Lord for comfort and guidance. The happiness comes from knowledge and faith of greater things to come and a loving Heavenly Father and Savior who understands all pain and sorrow. Mormonism is not a cult and the women are not taught to be perfect “stepford wives”. The culture may seem strange or foreign to some and I can understand that if I were not rom here. Please don’t bash something you know absolutely nothing about.


I know quite a bit about Mormonism. My best friend recently left the church. This almost reads as propaganda. Just because something isn't explicitly taught, doesn't mean it's not implicitly reinforced (hint: it is). There is a huge amount of pressure within the culture to almost be on the edge of quiverfull, to put family before career when it comes to women. It may not be preached word for word in the temple, but it sure is ingrained in the social life and expectations among many parishioners. That greatly shapes how many people see their world and what is considered desirable in their life, work, and society.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby ewokfan11 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:07 pm

Wow! So many YT families are getting free Disney cruises!! Both Casey Neistat and Britt from NiveNulls were supposed to go two weekends ago - but those were canceled because of the hurricanes.

Pretty sure today was the first Disney cruise to go out in at least two weeks because of all the hurricanes. And, NOOOOOOO, they would NEVER go to damaged islands or areas. Don't be silly! These are PR trips to showcase the BEST they have to offer - and it's family-friendly Disney. I think the cruise E&J are on even had their planned ports changed to avoid the damaged areas.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:50 pm

trumputin wrote:
Emma8385 wrote:This is my first time posting here because I can’t sit back any longer and read ridiculous comments like this about Mormon culture. I have no clue where you are getting this information, but it’s completely laughable. I’ve lived in Utah my entire life and have grown up in the same culture that Ellie has her whole life. Let me educate you... Mormon women are encouraged to seek an education to be able to gain knowledge, better themselves and be able to be self sufficient. They are NOT told they are supposed to have five or more kids. Yes, they are encouraged to have children, but the number absolutely does not matter. There may be some people out there who judge for having less, but that’s on them. That’s not because that is what is taught or upheld. Mormons are not taught to “fake being happy” no matter what is going on in their lives, but instead are taught to count their blessings and lean on the Lord for comfort and guidance. The happiness comes from knowledge and faith of greater things to come and a loving Heavenly Father and Savior who understands all pain and sorrow. Mormonism is not a cult and the women are not taught to be perfect “stepford wives”. The culture may seem strange or foreign to some and I can understand that if I were not rom here. Please don’t bash something you know absolutely nothing about.


I know quite a bit about Mormonism. My best friend recently left the church. This almost reads as propaganda. Just because something isn't explicitly taught, doesn't mean it's not implicitly reinforced (hint: it is). There is a huge amount of pressure within the culture to almost be on the edge of quiverfull, to put family before career when it comes to women. It may not be preached word for word in the temple, but it sure is ingrained in the social life and expectations among many parishioners. That greatly shapes how many people see their world and what is considered desirable in their life, work, and society.


You're friend that left the church is wrong. And incredibly bitter. You've been wrong about other things you've said regarding Mormonism as well. It's nothing close to quiverfull. The things you're trying to state as fact just aren't true.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby trumputin » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:06 pm

FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:
trumputin wrote:
Emma8385 wrote:This is my first time posting here because I can’t sit back any longer and read ridiculous comments like this about Mormon culture. I have no clue where you are getting this information, but it’s completely laughable. I’ve lived in Utah my entire life and have grown up in the same culture that Ellie has her whole life. Let me educate you... Mormon women are encouraged to seek an education to be able to gain knowledge, better themselves and be able to be self sufficient. They are NOT told they are supposed to have five or more kids. Yes, they are encouraged to have children, but the number absolutely does not matter. There may be some people out there who judge for having less, but that’s on them. That’s not because that is what is taught or upheld. Mormons are not taught to “fake being happy” no matter what is going on in their lives, but instead are taught to count their blessings and lean on the Lord for comfort and guidance. The happiness comes from knowledge and faith of greater things to come and a loving Heavenly Father and Savior who understands all pain and sorrow. Mormonism is not a cult and the women are not taught to be perfect “stepford wives”. The culture may seem strange or foreign to some and I can understand that if I were not rom here. Please don’t bash something you know absolutely nothing about.


I know quite a bit about Mormonism. My best friend recently left the church. This almost reads as propaganda. Just because something isn't explicitly taught, doesn't mean it's not implicitly reinforced (hint: it is). There is a huge amount of pressure within the culture to almost be on the edge of quiverfull, to put family before career when it comes to women. It may not be preached word for word in the temple, but it sure is ingrained in the social life and expectations among many parishioners. That greatly shapes how many people see their world and what is considered desirable in their life, work, and society.


You're friend that left the church is wrong. And incredibly bitter. You've been wrong about other things you've said regarding Mormonism as well. It's nothing close to quiverfull. The things you're trying to state as fact just aren't true.


I've said just about 0 things about Mormonism on here, so don't know what you're talking about. And I said the culture borders on quiverfull, not that it is. And of course she's pissed about how they treated her, suppressed her individuality, convoluted her sense of self as a woman and her church said some pretty cruel things when she was 26 and deciding to go to grad school and hadn't yet been married. You can defend Mormonism all you like, I've lived in SLC before, and while yes, I know plenty of nice mormons that I get along with, the foundation upon which many of their beliefs are built are rooted in sexist views that has nothing to do with God and everything to do with limiting what the women in their congregation can do.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby priestess » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:37 pm

Emma8385 wrote:This is my first time posting here because I can’t sit back any longer and read ridiculous comments like this about Mormon culture. I have no clue where you are getting this information, but it’s completely laughable. I’ve lived in Utah my entire life and have grown up in the same culture that Ellie has her whole life. Let me educate you... Mormon women are encouraged to seek an education to be able to gain knowledge, better themselves and be able to be self sufficient. They are NOT told they are supposed to have five or more kids. Yes, they are encouraged to have children, but the number absolutely does not matter. There may be some people out there who judge for having less, but that’s on them. That’s not because that is what is taught or upheld. Mormons are not taught to “fake being happy” no matter what is going on in their lives, but instead are taught to count their blessings and lean on the Lord for comfort and guidance. The happiness comes from knowledge and faith of greater things to come and a loving Heavenly Father and Savior who understands all pain and sorrow. Mormonism is not a cult and the women are not taught to be perfect “stepford wives”. The culture may seem strange or foreign to some and I can understand that if I were not rom here. Please don’t bash something you know absolutely nothing about.


(i think this may be in response to an earlier post in which i added sources & links from exmormons & current mormons)

thanks ellie i appreciate the input, bae, have fun on the cruise! linking you to some light reading! i'm currently channeling my inner cersei and drinking wine in your honor.

i mean no one mentioned the word "cult" until ya did, but if the shoe fits.... if anyone has to say "i'm not in a cult" to convince others that they're not in a cult, then they may be in a cult.

outsiders may have not been raised in that culture, but exmo's do give an insight as to how things work. obviously, everyone's experience is different, particularly those who live outside of utah & in SLC. i included links and & everything in my post for their experiences so it's not like i'm just rattling off bullshit. exmormons literally have nothing to gain/lose when posting, so i don't understand why they would lie. mormon people themselves are not bad; it's just the policies that are problematic.

all i can go off are experiences from those in & out of the church & what is up on official LDS websites. for instance,
  • this LDS manual titled Mother's Employment Outside the Home leads with a bunch of old white guys essentialy saying the same thing: men are expected to work, women are expected to be full time homemakers.
  • Women in the Church essentially says that the most women can do is become president of RS/YW/Primary, teach sunday school, and pray & speak in meetings. like sure, go to college for 4 years, but then get married 2 months after and become president of RS.
  • in the Eternal Marriage Student Manual published in 2003, under "Women's Divine Roles & Responsibilities," it states that "It is divinely ordained what a woman should do, but a man must seek out his work. The divine work of women involves companionship, homemaking, and motherhood." they say women CAN work, but why do so? "Of course, as a woman you can do exceptionally well in the workplace, but is that the best use of your divinely appointed talents and feminine traits?"
  • on the other hand, the Men's Divine Roles & Responsibilities website says that men should work & "are the presiding authority in the home." also, all women are "seeking the fulfillment of a [their] greatest desire to have a husband, a family, and a home." granted, that's from the 70's, but why is it still up there? why not replace it with updated views unless that viewpoint is up to date?
those are official writings. they're on the actual lds website. policies can & will impact culture. maybe it's changing in newer generations and isn't as persistant as before (hopefully so you can get more comfortable temple garmets & show some shoulder porn) but it may not be changing fast enough for some.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby canmom2 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:02 pm

wonderwoman123 wrote:In 2010 I one a trip to Disney World. It was at the beginning of October. That is Disney's slowest time of year so that is when they give out free trips. The timing of this trip makes it obvious that this was paid for!

I went to disney in October and novenber after thanksging trip was free but the food was . It is a bjuiness trip they are noy paying for evything. It was a business plan made months ago..
Do you guys get the feeling
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby amyfalafal » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:09 pm

I truly wonder what they are like without vlogging. I'm willing to bet they're having the fight/argument of a lifetime- a built up of 4 years of disagreements finally are coming out on the table.
Jared would be truly relaxing without needing to pull out enthusiasm out of his ass or pulling Ellie's teeth to make her positive for the vlogs...
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby canmom2 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:11 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
PumpkinHead wrote:I guess I'm glad they're taking a break.. but seriously, even announcing that they're taking a break has to be turned into a dramatic production. Why?? It's really not that big of a deal.

It also seems kind of strange that they vlogged all about the miscarriage and the d&c, etc., and NOW they're taking a break? I don't get these people.


They have to take a break because it would be too hard to upload a vlog while on the ocean with intermittent or slower service. They just needed to make it sound more dramatic. It was happening miscarriage or not.

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Yea a vacation not a break anyone check to see if they vloogfed yet.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby canmom2 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:37 pm

8elz wrote:You know, after what happened on Mother's Day, I honestly lost any ounce of respect I had for them. I thought of it from every view that you all mentioned.. was it a sponsorship? Did she just get her period and couldn't face the music? Was she actually convinced she was pregnant and generally thought she had a miscarriage? Or did she know she wasn't pregnant but they staged it all for the views? Etc. I truly couldn't get my head around the way they treated such a sensitive subject for a lot of people.

Anyway, I'm all for karma. I love nothing more than hearing the revving of the karma bus engine lol but I feel sorry for them. I'm torn. Part of me thinks, now you know how it feels.. 'You made your bed, now lie in it' type thing but the other part of me knows how much it hurts and I can't help but feel sad for them. I don't like to see anyone suffer and they're hurting, so I can't help myself. I still will never like them for what they've done/the way they are but I can appreciate the pain they're going through and I hope they're doing ok.


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I do Not get why you keep saying it fake the dr office confirmed it said numbers were low. Were they not low with Calvin too. She should be given progesteron .
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Emma8385 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:03 am

priestess wrote:
Emma8385 wrote:This is my first time posting here because I can’t sit back any longer and read ridiculous comments like this about Mormon culture. I have no clue where you are getting this information, but it’s completely laughable. I’ve lived in Utah my entire life and have grown up in the same culture that Ellie has her whole life. Let me educate you... Mormon women are encouraged to seek an education to be able to gain knowledge, better themselves and be able to be self sufficient. They are NOT told they are supposed to have five or more kids. Yes, they are encouraged to have children, but the number absolutely does not matter. There may be some people out there who judge for having less, but that’s on them. That’s not because that is what is taught or upheld. Mormons are not taught to “fake being happy” no matter what is going on in their lives, but instead are taught to count their blessings and lean on the Lord for comfort and guidance. The happiness comes from knowledge and faith of greater things to come and a loving Heavenly Father and Savior who understands all pain and sorrow. Mormonism is not a cult and the women are not taught to be perfect “stepford wives”. The culture may seem strange or foreign to some and I can understand that if I were not rom here. Please don’t bash something you know absolutely nothing about.


(i think this may be in response to an earlier post in which i added sources & links from exmormons & current mormons)

thanks ellie i appreciate the input, bae, have fun on the cruise! linking you to some light reading! i'm currently channeling my inner cersei and drinking wine in your honor.

i mean no one mentioned the word "cult" until ya did, but if the shoe fits.... if anyone has to say "i'm not in a cult" to convince others that they're not in a cult, then they may be in a cult.

outsiders may have not been raised in that culture, but exmo's do give an insight as to how things work. obviously, everyone's experience is different, particularly those who live outside of utah & in SLC. i included links and & everything in my post for their experiences so it's not like i'm just rattling off bullshit. exmormons literally have nothing to gain/lose when posting, so i don't understand why they would lie. mormon people themselves are not bad; it's just the policies that are problematic.

all i can go off are experiences from those in & out of the church & what is up on official LDS websites. for instance,
  • this LDS manual titled Mother's Employment Outside the Home leads with a bunch of old white guys essentialy saying the same thing: men are expected to work, women are expected to be full time homemakers.
  • Women in the Church essentially says that the most women can do is become president of RS/YW/Primary, teach sunday school, and pray & speak in meetings. like sure, go to college for 4 years, but then get married 2 months after and become president of RS.
  • in the Eternal Marriage Student Manual published in 2003, under "Women's Divine Roles & Responsibilities," it states that "It is divinely ordained what a woman should do, but a man must seek out his work. The divine work of women involves companionship, homemaking, and motherhood." they say women CAN work, but why do so? "Of course, as a woman you can do exceptionally well in the workplace, but is that the best use of your divinely appointed talents and feminine traits?"
  • on the other hand, the Men's Divine Roles & Responsibilities website says that men should work & "are the presiding authority in the home." also, all women are "seeking the fulfillment of a [their] greatest desire to have a husband, a family, and a home." granted, that's from the 70's, but why is it still up there? why not replace it with updated views unless that viewpoint is up to date?
those are official writings. they're on the actual lds website. policies can & will impact culture. maybe it's changing in newer generations and isn't as persistant as before (hopefully so you can get more comfortable temple garmets & show some shoulder porn) but it may not be changing fast enough for some.


This is the last I will say anything more on the topic since no matter what either of us say, our personal opinions won’t change, and that’s okay:

Exmormons do give insight, but theirs is usually from a negative place. Unfortunately, some people have bad experiences and are treated poorly in the church. Humans make mistakes and can really do damage to another person and make them feel judged, while some just find that their life and viewpoints no longer go along with the teachings, etc. Most often from what I’ve seen, the things said about the church are the worse from exmormons because they’re feeling jaded and wronged.

The quotes you are referring to can be viewed as sexist unless you (want to) understand the context. Mormons view the family and each individual male and female role as important, yet different. Men and women are given different, yet no less important, innate abilities that can be used in tandem to successfully build each other and the family unit up in love. Who’s to say that a mother’s role in the home is less than a man’s outside of the home, or vice versa? It’s current world views that make it seem that way. Sure, that doesn’t fit everybody’s needs and desires in life, and that’s okay. A woman won’t be, or shouldn’t be, judged or condemned for working outside the home. Unfortunately, many are judged, but only because another person (an imperfect human) chooses to do so. If it can be made possible for a mother to be home, it’s encouraged, but only because of the emotional support and stability it can give to children and the family as a whole.


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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby dw30 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:32 am

FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:
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Emma8385 wrote:This is my first time posting here because I can’t sit back any longer and read ridiculous comments like this about Mormon culture. I have no clue where you are getting this information, but it’s completely laughable. I’ve lived in Utah my entire life and have grown up in the same culture that Ellie has her whole life. Let me educate you... Mormon women are encouraged to seek an education to be able to gain knowledge, better themselves and be able to be self sufficient. They are NOT told they are supposed to have five or more kids. Yes, they are encouraged to have children, but the number absolutely does not matter. There may be some people out there who judge for having less, but that’s on them. That’s not because that is what is taught or upheld. Mormons are not taught to “fake being happy” no matter what is going on in their lives, but instead are taught to count their blessings and lean on the Lord for comfort and guidance. The happiness comes from knowledge and faith of greater things to come and a loving Heavenly Father and Savior who understands all pain and sorrow. Mormonism is not a cult and the women are not taught to be perfect “stepford wives”. The culture may seem strange or foreign to some and I can understand that if I were not rom here. Please don’t bash something you know absolutely nothing about.


I know quite a bit about Mormonism. My best friend recently left the church. This almost reads as propaganda. Just because something isn't explicitly taught, doesn't mean it's not implicitly reinforced (hint: it is). There is a huge amount of pressure within the culture to almost be on the edge of quiverfull, to put family before career when it comes to women. It may not be preached word for word in the temple, but it sure is ingrained in the social life and expectations among many parishioners. That greatly shapes how many people see their world and what is considered desirable in their life, work, and society.


You're friend that left the church is wrong. And incredibly bitter. You've been wrong about other things you've said regarding Mormonism as well. It's nothing close to quiverfull. The things you're trying to state as fact just aren't true.


I think you have to appreciate that your experience with Mormonism is different. Not everyone has the same experience and that is ok. You have no right to diminish anyone else's experience but understand that everyone walks away with different opinions.

Sorry to divert but it's a personal pet peeve of mine. Religious trauma is a thing, I've personally experienced it and hate watching people who have experienced get dismissed.


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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby canmom2 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:44 am

Emma8385 wrote:This is my first time posting here because I can’t sit back any longer and read ridiculous comments like this about Mormon culture. I have no clue where you are getting this information, but it’s completely laughable. I’ve lived in Utah my entire life and have grown up in the same culture that Ellie has her whole life. Let me educate you... Mormon women are encouraged to seek an education to be able to gain knowledge, better themselves and be able to be self sufficient. They are NOT told they are supposed to have five or more kids. Yes, they are encouraged to have children, but the number absolutely does not matter. There may be some people out there who judge for having less, but that’s on them. That’s not because that is what is taught or upheld. Mormons are not taught to “fake being happy” no matter what is going on in their lives, but instead are taught to count their blessings and lean on the Lord for comfort and guidance. The happiness comes from knowledge and faith of greater things to come and a loving Heavenly Father and Savior who understands all pain and sorrow. Mormonism is not a cult and the women are not taught to be perfect “stepford wives”. The culture may seem strange or foreign to some and I can understand that if I were not rom here. Please don’t bash something you know absolutely nothing about.

They insult people on here and will only get mean if you ask them to stop. You just have to get tough and ignore them. I like E&j videos but Ellie is way to much into herself and mean. It doesn't have anything to do with her religion but the fact she was spoiled rotten as a kid. They can't make up their mind the type of viewers they want.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby canmom2 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:57 am

Does anyone watch or know who I mean by Channon Rose. Its not really the type of vlog I watch but she was going through IVF and her reults were misdiagnosed and life threatening. Now she is only going to post sappy videos suitable for kids. Her other vlogs are going to another site PATREON where you have to pay. I wonder is that E&J big news when they come back.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby canmom2 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:03 am

amyfalafal wrote:I truly wonder what they are like without vlogging. I'm willing to bet they're having the fight/argument of a lifetime- a built up of 4 years of disagreements finally are coming out on the table.
Jared would be truly relaxing without needing to pull out enthusiasm out of his ass or pulling Ellie's teeth to make her positive for the vlogs...

They are still vlogging they are just not updating. We have a couple disney vlogs when they first get home thats why they lied its not a break. They were probably planning on showing us pregnancy videos when they gone to keep the streak alive.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby HelloSweetie » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:43 am

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8elz wrote:You know, after what happened on Mother's Day, I honestly lost any ounce of respect I had for them. I thought of it from every view that you all mentioned.. was it a sponsorship? Did she just get her period and couldn't face the music? Was she actually convinced she was pregnant and generally thought she had a miscarriage? Or did she know she wasn't pregnant but they staged it all for the views? Etc. I truly couldn't get my head around the way they treated such a sensitive subject for a lot of people.

Anyway, I'm all for karma. I love nothing more than hearing the revving of the karma bus engine lol but I feel sorry for them. I'm torn. Part of me thinks, now you know how it feels.. 'You made your bed, now lie in it' type thing but the other part of me knows how much it hurts and I can't help but feel sad for them. I don't like to see anyone suffer and they're hurting, so I can't help myself. I still will never like them for what they've done/the way they are but I can appreciate the pain they're going through and I hope they're doing ok.


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I do Not get why you keep saying it fake the dr office confirmed it said numbers were low. Were they not low with Calvin too. She should be given progesteron .


The doctors office never said she was pregnant..... at last not what was shown. They confirmed there was HCG present, but anything less than 20 could be normal. Seems weird to ask "but it's there?" after you've just been told "congratulations you're pregnant!

More than likely they told her that her levels were too low to confirm pregnancy and that led to her checking to make sure that it was at least there aka hoping it was just early. Remember, she had swore she was pregnant for weeks at this time. She wanted it to. E true, so she believed it was. She never asked for Progesterone and they never gave it to her because she wasn't pregnant.

For reference, my HCG has been tested many times pre-pregnancy, and I have an average HCG level of 6. It's "there" but doesn't mean I'm pregnant.
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