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Postby Ckc717 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:51 am

Jackson asked Ellie what 10+8 is and she said “I don’t know that’s a hard one” then completely changes the subject. Poor Jackson. Did Ellie truly not know the answer or is she so self absorbed she doesn’t care to reply to him and teach him?
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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby JVK19 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:59 am

I remember that! I remember being shocked that she would just brush Jackson off like that. Terrible


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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby Catface2 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:21 am

I remember that too. I believe she straight up didn’t know. Remember, she skipped a lot of school. I think she, along with her siblings needed special ed help for learning disorders and never got the help they needed. Mom and Dad were too dumb to realize the kids weren’t very bright and just let it all slide. Sad. Now Jackson, who is bright will suffer with the same idiot Mom and not be supported intellectually. Jared is too busy acting like a wanna be movie star clown to support and challenge his intellect either. I hope Grandpa Meacham offers guidance for the kid. He seems to be wise. Now Cal on the other hand...seems to take after his Mom. :|
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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby littlebaby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:30 am

It’s a stretch to say she ignored him or didn’t know what 10+8 was because the camera cut and she started talking to “us.” I’m continually shocked at Ellie’s lack of education but even I am pretty confident that she knows what ten plus eight is lol. She was excited to see that Jackson knew 2+2 and 5+5 so I doubt she just changed the subject at 10+8. I don’t love defending her but the “good morning guys” after the camera cut could have even been a minute or two after the math talk. Cuts in videos don’t mean cuts in real life.


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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby gopedjane » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:36 am

Catface2 wrote:I remember that too. I believe she straight up didn’t know. Remember, she skipped a lot of school. I think she, along with her siblings needed special ed help for learning disorders and never got the help they needed. Mom and Dad were too dumb to realize the kids weren’t very bright and just let it all slide. Sad. Now Jackson, who is bright will suffer with the same idiot Mom and not be supported intellectually. Jared is too busy acting like a wanna be movie star clown to support and challenge his intellect either. I hope Grandpa Meacham offers guidance for the kid. He seems to be wise. Now Cal on the other hand...seems to take after his Mom. :|



I didn’t mean to like this. I think Calvin is going to be the smartest one and be more independent. He won’t be as groomed and will rebel. I hope he does at least.


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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby Playsinrain » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:28 pm

"Working Mom Goes on Business Trip" oh my hell... Ellie, you don't even do "mom work" you arent a working mom. she is a slap to the face of real working mothers. Bitch rarely lifts a finger
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E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby littlebaby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:26 pm

A few things I’ve noticed rewatching their old videos from the beginning:

Jared sang EVERYTHING and was so obnoxious back then but was somehow still less “on” than he is now.

Ellie was so obliviously and innocently content and happy. Very little complaining and aware of spending and in love with her life.

Jackson was and still is the CUTEST baby!! Ellie insisted in today’s video that Tommy looks so much like Jackson that she feels like she cant even get to know Tommy. Kind of roundabout thinking but I think Tommy looks like Calvin if Calvin looked like Jackson. Like if he didn’t have his Calvinisms as a baby/toddler. Though he is much cuter at three years old now.

[img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180914/eccbf0d5bea93b250ffe12cdc045cab3.jpg[/img]

These are all roughly the same age of almost three months.


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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby lmmomSD » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:21 pm

chrimsi wrote:Working mom? What the hell.

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That was exactly my reaction.

She is NOT a "working mom". I personally think that SAHM's are "working moms" as well as those who work outside the home.
But Ellie isn't even really a SAHM in the true definition. She stays at home, to be sure, but she doesn't mother, except for treating Tommy like a living baby doll.

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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby onbreak » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:21 pm

https://youtu.be/81G4_9Ddg8A

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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby onbreak » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:29 pm

littlebaby wrote:A few things I’ve noticed rewatching their old videos from the beginning:

Jared sang EVERYTHING and was so obnoxious back then but was somehow still less “on” than he is now.

Ellie was so obliviously and innocently content and happy. Very little complaining and aware of spending and in love with her life.

Jackson was and still is the CUTEST baby!! Ellie insisted in today’s video that Tommy looks so much like Jackson that she feels like she cant even get to know Tommy. Kind of roundabout thinking but I think Tommy looks like Calvin if Calvin looked like Jackson. Like if he didn’t have his Calvinisms as a baby/toddler. Though he is much cuter at three years old now.

[img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180914/eccbf0d5bea93b250ffe12cdc045cab3.jpg[/img]

These are all roughly the same age of almost three months.


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Definitely a mecham

He looks like himself .. Open the curtain in that bedroom, stinky

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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby littlebaby » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:28 am

I gotta say it is really, really weird and dissonant to be watching this innocent happy 23 year old mom and then coming on here to see the current state of affairs about them lol. It’s just so.. confusing to see how they used to be. I still don’t know if I’m one of the ones that believes Ellie was “always” the way she is now and YouTube success just exacerbated it, or if she was actually a nicer, happier person in the beginning and was completely changed by YouTube. I might have a more developed opinion the more videos I watch. It’s hard to see the whole picture watching over several years so maybe watching all of them in a short time will open my eyes more.

(Sorry if no one cares about my rewatch lol but it is SO interesting)


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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby ba1006 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:23 am

Playsinrain wrote:"Working Mom Goes on Business Trip" oh my hell... Ellie, you don't even do "mom work" you arent a working mom. she is a slap to the face of real working mothers. Bitch rarely lifts a finger


I disagree. She lifts a finger to stuff her face with Oreos while laying in bed all day. It is a slap in the face to real working moms - those who work outside the house and those who stay at home. She's a bitch alright.
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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby chrimsi » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:46 pm

Tommy is just such a cutie

If just his mom........

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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby Aurielle » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:15 am

Sometimes I really despise some religions for preaching that you should have so many children and society making it seem that having a girl and a boy = happy life. I know so many people with 3 boys who are super close in age rather wait a few years and hopefully you'll pop out a girl, seems like there is a better chance if you wait a bit. When you cannot and know you cannot mentally or financially deal with another child then dont have it for the sake of having a kid of the opposite gender.
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E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby HelloSweetie » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:52 am

Aurielle wrote:Sometimes I really despise some religions for preaching that you should have so many children and society making it seem that having a girl and a boy = happy life. I know so many people with 3 boys who are super close in age rather wait a few years and hopefully you'll pop out a girl, seems like there is a better chance if you wait a bit. When you cannot and know you cannot mentally or financially deal with another child then dont have it for the sake of having a kid of the opposite gender.


I agree. The gender thing as a whole really rubs me the wrong way though. If you let your kids be who they are, and like whatever they want to, you’ll be surprised how unclear the gender divide is. My oldest son is more “girly” than my friend’s daughter is. The pink vs blue thing, is just something parents put on their child. There isn’t some genetic predisposition for males to like blue and females to prefer pink. All kids are different regardless of gender. Those that think “one of each” is going to be different due to the stereotypical gender “norms” are usually the ones more likely to push those expectations onto their children.


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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby lmmomSD » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:27 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
Aurielle wrote:Sometimes I really despise some religions for preaching that you should have so many children and society making it seem that having a girl and a boy = happy life. I know so many people with 3 boys who are super close in age rather wait a few years and hopefully you'll pop out a girl, seems like there is a better chance if you wait a bit. When you cannot and know you cannot mentally or financially deal with another child then dont have it for the sake of having a kid of the opposite gender.


I agree. The gender thing as a whole really rubs me the wrong way though. If you let your kids be who they are, and like whatever they want to, you’ll be surprised how unclear the gender divide is. My oldest son is more “girly” than my friend’s daughter is. The pink vs blue thing, is just something parents put on their child. There isn’t some genetic predisposition for males to like blue and females to prefer pink. All kids are different regardless of gender. Those that think “one of each” is going to be different due to the stereotypical gender “norms” are usually the ones more likely to push those expectations onto their children.


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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby js215 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:35 pm

littlebaby wrote:It’s a stretch to say she ignored him or didn’t know what 10+8 was because the camera cut and she started talking to “us.” I’m continually shocked at Ellie’s lack of education but even I am pretty confident that she knows what ten plus eight is lol. She was excited to see that Jackson knew 2+2 and 5+5 so I doubt she just changed the subject at 10+8. I don’t love defending her but the “good morning guys” after the camera cut could have even been a minute or two after the math talk. Cuts in videos don’t mean cuts in real life.


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I took it more as it's hard to demonstrate adding 8+10 using just your fingers, and that's why she stopped their little math lesson. I guess it's possible she doesn't know the answer but that's pretty unlikely even for her lol.
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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby sasperillo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:07 pm

js215 wrote:
littlebaby wrote:It’s a stretch to say she ignored him or didn’t know what 10+8 was because the camera cut and she started talking to “us.” I’m continually shocked at Ellie’s lack of education but even I am pretty confident that she knows what ten plus eight is lol. She was excited to see that Jackson knew 2+2 and 5+5 so I doubt she just changed the subject at 10+8. I don’t love defending her but the “good morning guys” after the camera cut could have even been a minute or two after the math talk. Cuts in videos don’t mean cuts in real life.


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I took it more as it's hard to demonstrate adding 8+10 using just your fingers, and that's why she stopped their little math lesson. I guess it's possible she doesn't know the answer but that's pretty unlikely even for her lol.

I agree with this. 18 would require a different approach so she changed the subject because she was driving and couldn’t quite try to explain the concept without a visual aid.
I am still not over the fact that they used the word iPhone on the title of the (previous) vlog to get more clicks. How pathetic.
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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby littlebaby » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:30 pm

Update on my rewatch (I ended up switching to watching one video a week instead of every single vlog up to Calvin’s pregnancy announcement) and now I’m in November 2014. At this point in time Ellie is on cloud nine. They just moved to their new apartment, Calvin’s on the way and the pregnancy is healthy, she’s VERY interactive with the viewers and seems very happy to vlog. There is a bit more confidence in her compared to when they first started vlogging. So far that’s the biggest difference I’ve noticed in her (which is the main reason I’m watching... to see where exactly she changed besides just generalizing it to “after Calvin”). She’s still just very happy but much more aware of the fact that thousands of people watch her and she loves it. She talks about being thankful for the viewers A LOT and still writes handwritten thank you notes to those that send them things. She’s also very proud that she’s getting the hang of vlogging and editing including with her own channel. Also, up to this point there had only been one or two sponsored posts. I thought that was significant to mention.

Really no differences in Jared to be honest. And Jackson gets cuter every vlog!




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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby ba1006 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:43 pm

lmmomSD wrote:
HelloSweetie wrote:
Aurielle wrote:Sometimes I really despise some religions for preaching that you should have so many children and society making it seem that having a girl and a boy = happy life. I know so many people with 3 boys who are super close in age rather wait a few years and hopefully you'll pop out a girl, seems like there is a better chance if you wait a bit. When you cannot and know you cannot mentally or financially deal with another child then dont have it for the sake of having a kid of the opposite gender.


I agree. The gender thing as a whole really rubs me the wrong way though. If you let your kids be who they are, and like whatever they want to, you’ll be surprised how unclear the gender divide is. My oldest son is more “girly” than my friend’s daughter is. The pink vs blue thing, is just something parents put on their child. There isn’t some genetic predisposition for males to like blue and females to prefer pink. All kids are different regardless of gender. Those that think “one of each” is going to be different due to the stereotypical gender “norms” are usually the ones more likely to push those expectations onto their children.


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It's funny because I have a daughter and a son. Everybody told me my daughter would be my best friend when she got older and my son would find a girl and I would hardly ever see him. It turned out to be the opposite. My daughter hardly ever calls never mind visits and my son is so caring and treats me so good. He stops by all the time to see if I need anything. So much for stereotyping.
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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby Tiger27 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:46 pm

littlebaby wrote:Update on my rewatch (I ended up switching to watching one video a week instead of every single vlog up to Calvin’s pregnancy announcement) and now I’m in November 2014. At this point in time Ellie is on cloud nine. They just moved to their new apartment, Calvin’s on the way and the pregnancy is healthy, she’s VERY interactive with the viewers and seems very happy to vlog. There is a bit more confidence in her compared to when they first started vlogging. So far that’s the biggest difference I’ve noticed in her (which is the main reason I’m watching... to see where exactly she changed besides just generalizing it to “after Calvin”). She’s still just very happy but much more aware of the fact that thousands of people watch her and she loves it. She talks about being thankful for the viewers A LOT and still writes handwritten thank you notes to those that send them things. She’s also very proud that she’s getting the hang of vlogging and editing including with her own channel. Also, up to this point there had only been one or two sponsored posts. I thought that was significant to mention.

Really no differences in Jared to be honest. And Jackson gets cuter every vlog!




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Super interesting to hear your perspective..please keep on sharing!

A thought...during the big demonization scandal, I’m pretty sure they deleted a ton of videos. I wonder how many of the infamous videos are still around. Aren’t all of Calvin’s breathing issue episodes gone? Is the Ellie Walmart incident still up? The one of her crying in the car about not being able to make it up the stairs? The one where Jared talks about the babysitter and Ellie corrects him to play date?


Do share if anything juicy pops up...I’m curious if they’ve scrubbed their old videos to paint a very happy, clean view of a picture perfect family.


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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby spacekitty » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:01 pm

Ellie looks like she copied Kate Gosselin’s old hairstyle and changed it up a bit so it isn’t the complete same lol


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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby littlebaby » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:05 pm

Tiger27 wrote:
littlebaby wrote:Update on my rewatch (I ended up switching to watching one video a week instead of every single vlog up to Calvin’s pregnancy announcement) and now I’m in November 2014. At this point in time Ellie is on cloud nine. They just moved to their new apartment, Calvin’s on the way and the pregnancy is healthy, she’s VERY interactive with the viewers and seems very happy to vlog. There is a bit more confidence in her compared to when they first started vlogging. So far that’s the biggest difference I’ve noticed in her (which is the main reason I’m watching... to see where exactly she changed besides just generalizing it to “after Calvin”). She’s still just very happy but much more aware of the fact that thousands of people watch her and she loves it. She talks about being thankful for the viewers A LOT and still writes handwritten thank you notes to those that send them things. She’s also very proud that she’s getting the hang of vlogging and editing including with her own channel. Also, up to this point there had only been one or two sponsored posts. I thought that was significant to mention.

Really no differences in Jared to be honest. And Jackson gets cuter every vlog!




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Super interesting to hear your perspective..please keep on sharing!

A thought...during the big demonization scandal, I’m pretty sure they deleted a ton of videos. I wonder how many of the infamous videos are still around. Aren’t all of Calvin’s breathing issue episodes gone? Is the Ellie Walmart incident still up? The one of her crying in the car about not being able to make it up the stairs? The one where Jared talks about the babysitter and Ellie corrects him to play date?


Do share if anything juicy pops up...I’m curious if they’ve scrubbed their old videos to paint a very happy, clean view of a picture perfect family.


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Oh good I’m glad someone’s interested! Lol I’ll keep a list of moments/scenes people are interested in or just seeing if they’re still there like the ones you just listed. I’ll also probably go in detail about Ellie’s breastfeeding talks about Calvin because we all suspected that’s the main reason she cracked. I’m in between jobs right now and/or working from home a bit which is why I have so much free time so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It’s really interesting seeing so much time pass in the vlogs so quickly. I’m really leaning toward the opinion that YouTube brought out the ugly in her and that it wasn’t necessarily buried in her all along, though I can see the argument for both sides. She definitely had mean spells back in the day but YouTube became a different beast.


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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby Tiger27 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:18 pm

Awesome, littlebaby...looking forward to it!

In other news...she can’t be serious. This is obviously great advice...but we are talking about a family infested with herpes who passes their babies around and kisses them on the lips 100 times over. How can she see this as an issue but be totally unphased by the cold sores? My assumption is she has the attitude, we all have it so the kids will probably just get it anyways. I fear she’s totally oblivious to how bad it can be in infants.

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Re: E&J: Tender Tommy and the Motherless siblings. Part #40

Postby Kataja » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:08 am

Tiger27 wrote:Awesome, littlebaby...looking forward to it!

In other news...she can’t be serious. This is obviously great advice...but we are talking about a family infested with herpes who passes their babies around and kisses them on the lips 100 times over. How can she see this as an issue but be totally unphased by the cold sores? My assumption is she has the attitude, we all have it so the kids will probably just get it anyways. I fear she’s totally oblivious to how bad it can be in infants.

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I came here to see if anyone saw her Instagram story. I'M BEYOND BAFFLED. I am speechless. I would have never expected that from her. Seriously.
In my opinion nobody, not even mother of a child should kiss the baby on the lips. Cheeks, forehead etc. are fine but kissing on lips should be just between lovers in my opinion. The kids in this family would have been spared from herpes (let's not even call it cold sores, since it makes it sound less serious than it is) if they would have not been kissed on the lips. Olivia said couple of vlogs ago to Bonnie that she thinks that she has cold sores, and Bonnie just refused to believe her. Her description of her sensation on her lips was quite accurate for someone with herpes... (I don't have it, my mom does. She was smart enough not to kiss me on lips or suck my pacifier to ''clean'' it when it dropped or share spoons etc.)
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