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She said Vera “hates” hair bows and clips, but then posted a story saying Vera was wearing one that she picked out by herself. How about Joan just be honest & say “I don’t like hair bows, so I haven’t offered them to my child”. Which I think is more logical. I mean, think about all the hats she’s always shoving on Vera (even when they don’t fit)... you’re telling me Vera has never pulled them off & NOT been told to put it back on? Children learn how to wear hats, just like they learn to wear bows or clothes.

And i really wonder who would send screen shots from last year.. we’ve had plenty to say since then. I feel like Joan reads here & just wants to stir the pity pot. If she had such “tough skin”, then she wouldn’t even post about this page or people she blocks. She’d go about her day... but instead we get announcements when she blocks people.
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SassySassenach wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:32 am She said Vera “hates” hair bows and clips, but then posted a story saying Vera was wearing one that she picked out by herself. How about Joan just be honest & say “I don’t like hair bows, so I haven’t offered them to my child”. Which I think is more logical. I mean, think about all the hats she’s always shoving on Vera (even when they don’t fit)... you’re telling me Vera has never pulled them off & NOT been told to put it back on? Children learn how to wear hats, just like they learn to wear bows or clothes.

And i really wonder who would send screen shots from last year.. we’ve had plenty to say since then. I feel like Joan reads here & just wants to stir the pity pot. If she had such “tough skin”, then she wouldn’t even post about this page or people she blocks. She’d go about her day... but instead we get announcements when she blocks people.
Really. Does she expect people to just stop talking because she brought it up? Bringing attention to stuff like this just causes more of it in the end.

Also, since Joan obviously reads here, do you want to know how to make people stop criticizing you?

GET OFF THE INTERNET

We can all live without the insight into your boring life. You can just stop exploiting your living child for views and stop exploiting Maeve for sympathy. You can stop trying to hustle money from your supporters for IVF.

You can’t seriously expect to share your life with strangers and not have strangers comment on it.
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lmmomSD wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:50 am It is kinda rude to send her screenshots. But I have a feeling that the people who do that think they're being helpful. "Look what they're saying about you!".
And maybe they bathe Vera every day, but she does look like a ragamuffin a lot of the time. And that isn't slamming _her_, which Joan seems to fail to see. Vera is "happy and healthy" now, but just give her a few years to catch on that her identity is #notMaeve.
Do you all believe anyone really sent them actual threats?

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No, I don't believe it. I think that's something you say to try and turn the tide against the gossip sites. No one here has ever hinted at violent thoughts towards anyone in these forums. Sure we talk about them, but we've never wished harm on anyone. Even the things we talk about are more on the side of wishing for a better life for these vloggers' children (who have no say in what their parents choose to do with their lives). Whether here on the internet or out in the world, people will watch and have an opinion on other people's lives. Those thoughts may stay locked in their brains or maybe shared with someone they're with. We just happen to have a giant forum that dedicates itself to speaking our opinions on families who OPENLY and FREELY broadcast their lives to the WORLD.

It's not internet bullying. We didn't seek these people out in their private lives, film them, and then snark on them. We watch what they choose to share and talk about it. They have no one to blame but themselves for their hurt feelings and frustrations.

Joan needs to step away from the internet, enjoy her family, and try and move forward with her life in a healthy way.
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^^ Thank you! I have a really hard time believing anyone really threatened them. There are kids that send DMs saying things like "you should just die" and "why don't you kill yourself", but that's generally in response to someone snarking on an influencer that they worship.
The only thing I can post think of would be someone who belongs to a religion that discourages IVF telling her that her soul is in danger.
But actual death threats? No. And maybe it's just me, but if someone sent me death threats, or threatened my child, I would certainly get my child OFF the internet! Bonnie has mentioned receiving threats before too. I really have to wonder about the kind of person who would continue to put their children on the internet after something like that, or after knowing that there were pictures of my kids on porn sites. I don't understand the decisions these people make.

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2rcmeeksrichards2 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:23 am
MarshmallowBreath wrote:Joans giving away her dopplers on IG, but only to fellow loss moms. Do we think this means anything, like moving closer to accepting she won’t be pregnant again? Or nah


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I hope this is the case. And I’m glad she has donated them - hopefully it’s healing for her.


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I hope I’m doing this right, I made an account just to post this. Back in 2017 when Joan was pregnant with Sweet Pea I sent her one of those two Doppler monitors that someone was kind enough to gift me when I was pregnant with my son (who is a rainbow baby) in the fall of 2019, when my husband and I decided to start trying for baby number 2, I messaged Joan on Instagram and asked her if I could have the Doppler back as I was hoping to need it soon. She told me she gifted it to another “PALS” mom. When she gave those Dopplers away (only if someone could pay for shipping, which I know I didn’t make her pay for shipping with the one I sent her!) the one on the left of the picture was the one I gave her!
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Spring2021 wrote: I hope I’m doing this right, I made an account just to post this. Back in 2017 when Joan was pregnant with Sweet Pea I sent her one of those two Doppler monitors that someone was kind enough to gift me when I was pregnant with my son (who is a rainbow baby) in the fall of 2019, when my husband and I decided to start trying for baby number 2, I messaged Joan on Instagram and asked her if I could have the Doppler back as I was hoping to need it soon. She told me she gifted it to another “PALS” mom. When she gave those Dopplers away (only if someone could pay for shipping, which I know I didn’t make her pay for shipping with the one I sent her!) the one on the left of the picture was the one I gave her!
Welcome!

So she told you she gave the Doppler away when in reality she still had it? Nice.

Not surprised though, we had her true colours pegged pretty early on here. She is definitely a self centred person! No one else matters.


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HelloSweetie wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:36 pm
Spring2021 wrote: I hope I’m doing this right, I made an account just to post this. Back in 2017 when Joan was pregnant with Sweet Pea I sent her one of those two Doppler monitors that someone was kind enough to gift me when I was pregnant with my son (who is a rainbow baby) in the fall of 2019, when my husband and I decided to start trying for baby number 2, I messaged Joan on Instagram and asked her if I could have the Doppler back as I was hoping to need it soon. She told me she gifted it to another “PALS” mom. When she gave those Dopplers away (only if someone could pay for shipping, which I know I didn’t make her pay for shipping with the one I sent her!) the one on the left of the picture was the one I gave her!
Welcome!

So she told you she gave the Doppler away when in reality she still had it? Nice.

Not surprised though, we had her true colours pegged pretty early on here. She is definitely a self centred person! No one else matters.


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I thought someone who has had people be so generous to her wouldn’t be so selfish. I was tempted to message her about it but she’d probably just block me or lie and say it was a different one....which I know it wasn’t!
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And honestly, wouldn't you expect someone to say that they're excited for you, when you say you think you might need to make use of a doppler?
Maybe I'm expecting too much, but after you sent her a doppler to use, it just seems like the nice response would be to express some kind of happiness for you. It just kind of brings home how self-absorbed she is.

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Spring2021 wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:35 pm
2rcmeeksrichards2 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:23 am
MarshmallowBreath wrote:Joans giving away her dopplers on IG, but only to fellow loss moms. Do we think this means anything, like moving closer to accepting she won’t be pregnant again? Or nah


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I hope this is the case. And I’m glad she has donated them - hopefully it’s healing for her.


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I hope I’m doing this right, I made an account just to post this. Back in 2017 when Joan was pregnant with Sweet Pea I sent her one of those two Doppler monitors that someone was kind enough to gift me when I was pregnant with my son (who is a rainbow baby) in the fall of 2019, when my husband and I decided to start trying for baby number 2, I messaged Joan on Instagram and asked her if I could have the Doppler back as I was hoping to need it soon. She told me she gifted it to another “PALS” mom. When she gave those Dopplers away (only if someone could pay for shipping, which I know I didn’t make her pay for shipping with the one I sent her!) the one on the left of the picture was the one I gave her!
So did I get this right? You got gifted a Doppler that you further gifted away yourself. Then you went back asking it back. A gift.
Sorry but I think you are in wrong here. If you gift something away, it is not a loan. You cannot demand it back and you cannot be butt hurt if you don't get it back either. Also, as the ownership of the item has changed, the new owner is allowed to gift if to whoever she likes.

(If I were Joan, I would also gift away the ''less better'' item and keep the better for myself.)
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lmmomSD wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:55 pm And honestly, wouldn't you expect someone to say that they're excited for you, when you say you think you might need to make use of a doppler?
Maybe I'm expecting too much, but after you sent her a doppler to use, it just seems like the nice response would be to express some kind of happiness for you. It just kind of brings home how self-absorbed she is.

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If someone is contacting me for wanting their gift back, I wouldn't be very cordial.
To be fair, Joan was cordial and thanked her again for receiving that item. I think she filled her responsibility for social graces amiably in a socially unacceptable situation (someone comes begging back a gift that was gifted long ago :D )
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Kataja wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:07 am
Spring2021 wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:35 pm
2rcmeeksrichards2 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:23 am
I hope this is the case. And I’m glad she has donated them - hopefully it’s healing for her.


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I hope I’m doing this right, I made an account just to post this. Back in 2017 when Joan was pregnant with Sweet Pea I sent her one of those two Doppler monitors that someone was kind enough to gift me when I was pregnant with my son (who is a rainbow baby) in the fall of 2019, when my husband and I decided to start trying for baby number 2, I messaged Joan on Instagram and asked her if I could have the Doppler back as I was hoping to need it soon. She told me she gifted it to another “PALS” mom. When she gave those Dopplers away (only if someone could pay for shipping, which I know I didn’t make her pay for shipping with the one I sent her!) the one on the left of the picture was the one I gave her!
So did I get this right? You got gifted a Doppler that you further gifted away yourself. Then you went back asking it back. A gift.
Sorry but I think you are in wrong here. If you gift something away, it is not a loan. You cannot demand it back and you cannot be butt hurt if you don't get it back either. Also, as the ownership of the item has changed, the new owner is allowed to gift if to whoever she likes.

(If I were Joan, I would also gift away the ''less better'' item and keep the better for myself.)
Let me be clear here, I was not mad that she didn’t give it back. I was annoyed that she lied about it. As for the “better gift” I’m not sure what you are talking about. I just think she could have been courteous and returned it to me, or told me she wanted to keep it, instead of lying and saying she gave it to someone else when that clearly wasn’t true. I’m 100% certain that she would have no problem asking for a Doppler monitor back if she needed it, and if she found out someone lied and said they didn’t have it anymore because the gave it away, and they clearly lied about it. She would surely be a little annoyed about it. Again I’m not sure what you mean by keeping the better item.
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Spring2021 wrote:
Let me be clear here, I was not mad that she didn’t give it back. I was annoyed that she lied about it. As for the “better gift” I’m not sure what you are talking about. I just think she could have been courteous and returned it to me, or told me she wanted to keep it, instead of lying and saying she gave it to someone else when that clearly wasn’t true. I’m 100% certain that she would have no problem asking for a Doppler monitor back if she needed it, and if she found out someone lied and said they didn’t have it anymore because the gave it away, and they clearly lied about it. She would surely be a little annoyed about it. Again I’m not sure what you mean by keeping the better item.
I knew what your criticism was. She should have been honest, but that’s not Joan’s thing. Joan’s thing is being annoyed that someone has the audacity to even mention TTC to her, and I think that’s why you didn’t receive a truthful response. You’re lucky she didn’t block you. I bet she has now (she reads here).

I also think your criticism of her charging people shipping is fair when you paid the shipping to send it to her in the first place. Joan is a taker and not a giver though. She’s not sending anyone something for free. I would bet donating the dopplers now is less about her wanting to help others, and more about wanting to appear to help others for when she starts her next (inevitable) Go Fund Me.


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Thank you! I definitely am not upset that she didn’t give it back, the issue was her lying. I’m glad someone understood what I meant by that. I’ve been checking all day to see if I’m blocked yet, I’m sure it’s coming!
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I'm not part of the community, so I may be completely wrong; but it _seems_ to me that people share things like dopplers in the TTC/IVF community. Joan had received at least 2, and was passing them on. I understand that normally requesting a "gift" back would seem rude. But something like a doppler, you would only use under very specific circumstances.
Maybe I am just swayed by my dislike of Joan.

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Once again, Joan found a way to bring Maeve up unprompted in case anyone forgot about her. In case the attachment doesn't work - Joan posted a photo on Louise's Instagram of Louise and Vera in matching hats. She received a comment that said 'OMG! I just love miss Weezie so much!! She’s the best big sister!!' and she naturally replied 'Vera gets the best big sisters her angel and her furry one lol'
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