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[actuallydear]

search for '8 passengers exposed' on youtube

[LydiaE]

So... name names. Call it out.

While it would be entertaining to do so, it would also prove to be pointless.

The person I think is a vlogger/vlogger family member posts very rarely and sporadically, but when he/she does, it's in an aggressive, angry manner that is void of both rationality and social skill. They probably just lurk most of the time--which is what I would do if I had an Internet forum based on gossiping about me--and then jump in in times of anger or defense.

The fanatics/minions are a completely different animal. These people have convinced themselves that they are potential peers or "friends" of the vloggers under the right circumstances. They will never make observations or share ideas like your typical message board member. There are also just people who like to stir shit and this type of person has been around since the advent of chat rooms/message boards.

I literally did not know what a family vlogger was until this past summer when I was recovering from a medical procedure and one of the sisters' videos popped up in my recommended videos. I couldn't believe entire families did this! Even more entertaining is the gossip/message board counterculture devoted to these vloggers. It is fascinating. People will name ,like, twenty family vloggers they watch regularly that I've never heard of and they're really passionate for or against them. The videos themselves are boring as hell if you don't have anyone to share your observations with, but the fanatics/minions take it to another level.

I've been a member of gossip sites for years bc I'm not a big fan of gossip within your own family/social circle, but I've only encountered one place like this and that was back in the day on a mommy/parenting board when I was first pregnant. Every so often a mommy/mommies would go rogue and start their own boards and you'd see these very behavior patterns.

[actuallydear]

So... name names. Call it out.

While it would be entertaining to do so, it would also prove to be pointless.

The person I think is a vlogger/vlogger family member posts very rarely and sporadically, but when he/she does, it's in an aggressive, angry manner that is void of both rationality and social skill. They probably just lurk most of the time--which is what I would do if I had an Internet forum based on gossiping about me--and then jump in in times of anger or defense.

The fanatics/minions are a completely different animal. These people have convinced themselves that they are potential peers or "friends" of the vloggers under the right circumstances. They will never make observations or share ideas like your typical message board member. There are also just people who like to stir shit and this type of person has been around since the advent of chat rooms/message boards.

I literally did not know what a family vlogger was until this past summer when I was recovering from a medical procedure and one of the sisters' videos popped up in my recommended videos. I couldn't believe entire families did this! Even more entertaining is the gossip/message board counterculture devoted to these vloggers. It is fascinating. People will name ,like, twenty family vloggers they watch regularly that I've never heard of and they're really passionate for or against them. The videos themselves are boring as hell if you don't have anyone to share your observations with, but the fanatics/minions take it to another level.

I've been a member of gossip sites for years bc I'm not a big fan of gossip within your own family/social circle, but I've only encountered one place like this and that was back in the day on a mommy/parenting board when I was first pregnant. Every so often a mommy/mommies would go rogue and start their own boards and you'd see these very behavior patterns.

and yet not pointless enough for you to go into detail about members posts. i don't disagree with you, but we're all curious here, so my original comment still stands - name names.

[LydiaE]

Sorry I was long winded. I think it's pointless to do so because I'm not convinced these people are mentally stable.

[fossilfinger]

That video is disgusting. I can't believe people donated money to a for-profit business because they hate gay people. Aren't Mormons supposed to not be "worldly"? So stop caring what the rest of the world does and mind your own damn business.

[marshmallowfluf]

Oh good grief.. i would hardly call that being exposed.. there were hundreds of people there. Just like every chickfila across the USA that day. Its called freedom of religion.. and as long as they arent hurting you, they have the right to their own opinions just like you.. like you said stop caring what the rest of the world does.


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[actuallydear]

Oh good grief.. i would hardly call that being exposed.. there were hundreds of people there. Just like every chickfila across the USA that day. Its called freedom of religion.. and as long as they arent hurting you, they have the right to their own opinions just like you.. like you said stop caring what the rest of the world does.


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so if they stand by their opinions, why delete the video from public consumption now that their channel is gaining notoriety?

[skyblueandblack]

Ugh. Scary to see people so giddy about hating on equal marriage. Legit- giddy is the only way to describe it.

[HelloSweetie]

Oh good grief.. i would hardly call that being exposed.. there were hundreds of people there. Just like every chickfila across the USA that day. Its called freedom of religion.. and as long as they arent hurting you, they have the right to their own opinions just like you.. like you said stop caring what the rest of the world does.


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Except it's hate and it does hurt people. Maybe not those of us that aren't LGBTQ, but it definitely hurts those that are. I do judge that.

[marshmallowfluf]

Because to be a successful youtuber you have to be PC.. i think less of them for deleting the video than i do for the actual video. They should have left it up.


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[Boredomatitsfinest]

Sorry I was long winded. I think it's pointless to do so because I'm not convinced these people are mentally stable.

A warning in advance that I realize this post is mostly pointless, but I just feel it needs to be said:

I sincerely am not trying to flame you or start any unnecessary drama here, but I just feel that, from the short time that I have been on this forum as a poster and actually paying attention to the usernames, your own posts seem to correlate with a lot of the behaviors you have described above.

In reality, all of our posts are pointless; are they not? So why not name names to back up your theory? If you're so confident in thinking some users on here are vloggers themselves, then I see no reason not to call them out, or at the very least contact the mods. And to call certain users 'mentally unstable' is pretty extreme and comical imo, lol, what's the point?

I apologize if this post has taken on a passive aggressive tone, it's not my intention. I just can't help but feel slightly amused at how your posts seem like a form of deflection. My apologies if I am alone in thinking this, and again, no disrespect intended.


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[LydiaE]

No worries, Boredomatitsfinest. You're not being passive aggressive at all. I love these kinds of discussions. Trust me, I have no allegiance to any of these whacko vloggers or any posters here. Some of the posters here are pretty cool/funny and some are so batshit that they quasi-attack you privately when you mention that cold sores are herpes simplex I.

Why not call people out by name? Firstly, it's not fair to do so. My suppositions aren't fact and I don't call people out in real life, why would I in a message board? That would be uber-aggressive and weird. Why would I tattle to a mod? Vloggers and mentally unstable people have just as much right to post on a public message board as anyone else as long as the rules are followed. Calling people out individually takes you out of having opinions and places you into the zone of shut-stirrer. No thanks.

If you called people out or tattle, then the people would either disappear or create new identities and then we couldn't observe their behavior. That's the interesting and fun part, for me at least.

[skyblueandblack]

I think a poster here reposted it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JccXG4cGfLY

[HelloSweetie]

No worries, Boredomatitsfinest. You're not being passive aggressive at all. I love these kinds of discussions. Trust me, I have no allegiance to any of these whacko vloggers or any posters here. Some of the posters here are pretty cool/funny and some are so batshit that they quasi-attack you privately when you mention that cold sores are herpes simplex I.

Why not call people out by name? Firstly, it's not fair to do so. My suppositions aren't fact and I don't call people out in real life, why would I in a message board? That would be uber-aggressive and weird. Why would I tattle to a mod? Vloggers and mentally unstable people have just as much right to post on a public message board as anyone else as long as the rules are followed. Calling people out individually takes you out of having opinions and places you into the zone of shut-stirrer. No thanks.

If you called people out or tattle, then the people would either disappear or create new identities and then we couldn't observe their behavior. That's the interesting and fun part, for me at least.

Throwing shade is a form of passive aggression. Just saying. Not calling people out by name is more distracting because it causes everyone to defend themselves. The mods actually prefer for people to call one another out because it is more direct and less passive aggressive. There was a time the mods had to police these threads hard and create tons of rules because of shade throwing.

If you've been attacked by private pm then either block them or tell a mod. No need to bring that here and make everyone try to guess who it was. I find that hard to believe anyway because you like to argue I'm the number one minion and it definitely wasn't me.

[PoorLoam]

I think a poster here reposted it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JccXG4cGfLY

Ugh, as someone in the lgbtq+ community this disgusts me. Why do these people think that we don't deserve the same rights as them?! At least if I was married to a woman and had children with her I wouldn't exploit them for money like she does.


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[Boredomatitsfinest]

I think a poster here reposted it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JccXG4cGfLY

"Everyone is so happy. No ones upset. It's just, kinda fun!"
Oh my LAWD. Reminds me of the creepy ass privileged white people in "The Purge" movies, particularly the woman she stopped to talk with. Disgusting and sad.

Everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe, but for christ's sake, stand behind what you believe in at least! The poster that said it says more about them that they took it down, than them being there in the first place, amen!


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[lmmomSD]

I think a poster here reposted it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JccXG4cGfLY

"Everyone is so happy. No ones upset. It's just, kinda fun!"
Oh my LAWD. Reminds me of the creepy ass privileged white people in "The Purge" movies, particularly the woman she stopped to talk with. Disgusting and sad.

Everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe, but for christ's sake, stand behind what you believe in at least! The poster that said it says more about them that they took it down, than them being there in the first place, amen!


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That creeped me out too. Like, "We're all Stepford families, happy in our homogeneity (is that a word?) and united in our hatred and judgement of people with different lifestyles". All those happy, white blonde folks hating on the gays and giving their money to Chick Fil A-- but we're so _happy_! God forbid one of their children is gay. And with that big family, statistically, it's likely.

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[RootBeerFloatie]

No one has the right to believe that anyone is any less of a person or less deserving of rights that they themselves have. "Freedom of religion" is a crock of hateful bullshit that people say to justify their bigotry.

And before you call me out for hypocrisy I'll say this: gay rights and support have literally no affect on them, but as an lgbt woman their little ~religious freedom~ homophobic cesspool demonstration hurts me and so many young gay people around the country. So I don't care if I'm being hateful towards their gross, archaic values.

[skyblueandblack]

I think a poster here reposted it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JccXG4cGfLY

Ugh, as someone in the lgbtq+ community this disgusts me. Why do these people think that we don't deserve the same rights as them?! At least if I was married to a woman and had children with her I wouldn't exploit them for money like she does.


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LGBTQ member here as well. And it makes me stomach churn as well- despite how numb I generally feel. I think perhaps once you feel like you *know* someone through youtube- even though you know they harness likely homophobic thoughts in their hearts- its different to see it.

[marshmallowfluf]

Im not religious myself, but i think everyone is allowed to have an opinion without being called a homophobe. The CEO of chickfila has no say in whether or not gays can get married so why do people care so much? I know more people (in my town anyway, im sure utah is much different) were just standing up for freedom of religion and not because they "hate gays"


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[RootBeerFloatie]

Im not religious myself, but i think everyone is allowed to have an opinion without being called a homophobe. The CEO of chickfila has no say in whether or not gays can get married so why do people care so much? I know more people (in my town anyway, im sure utah is much different) were just standing up for freedom of religion and not because they "hate gays"


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If you think that gay people shouldn't have the rights that straight people do, you're a bigoted, homophobic asshole. It's a simple as that. There's nothing else to it.

[RootBeerFloatie]

And people can sit there and say "oh i don't hate gay people" or "i don't hurt anyone I'm just standing up for my own rights" but unless you were an lgbt person during this event you've got no right to comment about how it wasn't hurting anyone. It was devestating.

[Vincere]

Before Mormons open their mouth about who marries who they should look at their founder, Joseph Smith, who had multiple wives!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith's_wives

From 1852 to 1890 by between 20 and 30 percent of Latter-day Saint families were in "plural marriage."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_polygamy

Also LDS has not publicly disclosed its financial statements in the United States since 1959.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints

So they better mind their own shit before getting involved in something that does not impact them.

[HelloSweetie]

Would we be ok with a religion deciding they are better than someone else because they are a certain skin colour? Until the late 70s the LDS church treated their non-white members as lesser beings, and wouldn't let them participate in the temple or priesthood. This was their prerogative and religious freedom to do, but it doesn't mean it wasn't also racist.

You don't have to be LGBTQ yourself to recognize how messed up it is. Gay marriage has been legal here in Canada for over 10 years now, and its changed absolutely nothing. It hasn't infringed on anyone's rights or ruined the sanctity of marriage. If anything, by normalizing gay marriage, it's forced the bigots to become more open minded and less vocal and hateful. Some parts of religion need to be left in the past, and in my opinion anyone that takes pride in keeping someone else down and beneath them is truly disgusting. Turning a blind eye to prejudice by saying it's just religious freedom is basically saying to the LGBTQ community "it's not my problem so I don't care."

Many wars have been fought in the name of religious freedom. It's a slippery slope.

[Sarai]

Im not religious myself, but i think everyone is allowed to have an opinion without being called a homophobe. The CEO of chickfila has no say in whether or not gays can get married so why do people care so much? I know more people (in my town anyway, im sure utah is much different) were just standing up for freedom of religion and not because they "hate gays"

People care because she was there in protest of same sex marriage. She said it herself, and said it was "fun". That's not hurting anyone? Wtf does that have to do with freedom of religion to protest someone's right to get married? And don't forget they're part of the LDS church which has been the biggest adversary for same sex marriage in the US (prop 8 and all that). She's an asshole for protesting someone else's rights that don't affect her. If you don't want gay marriage, then don't have one.