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E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby HelloSweetie » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:40 am

westwuff wrote:But they could have had a miscarriage before Jackson and lied by omission to get treated at the infertility clinic. I tend to think they embellished how long they were actively trying to conceive in order to be treated..


Ellie gets new eyebrows and we hear about it for a week. She has a miscarriage and it's never mentioned ever?

Plus she hasn't for a second acted like someone who believes bad things could happen to her. Throughout the weeks she was sure she was pregnant surrounding MD, slow rising numbers were never even considered. It was just all just a mystery to her.

When they said in their fertility breakdown that they had never been pregnant they had already started seeing the fertility specialist, so I don't think they had kept that a secret to lie by omission. There was also a recent vlog where they talked about Joan and how devastating a miscarriage scare can be and that they know this from RUBY and what happened with Calvin. I seriously went back and watched a lot, and Cal is brought up over and over again like his scare was the worst thing to ever happen to them. Then Ellie makes the comment that waiting for the MD pregnancy blood test results was the hardest thing in 4 years of vlogging. Then they repeatedly say two vlogs ago that this was the first pregnancy they kept to themselves.

It's totally a lie. I can't believe people are falling for it. Go back and watch for yourselves. It's not there.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby HelloSweetie » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:49 am

One more comment and then I'll drop it... but if they had previously had a miscarriage and chose to keep it quiet for their own privacy, then why make the IVF applicants open up and tell their own story for all to see?
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby mandylouwho » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:52 am

So Ellie got a cold sore after she borrowed Bonnie's lipstick??? Shocker!
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby HelloSweetie » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:53 am

mandylouwho wrote:So Ellie got a cold sore after she borrowed Bonnie's lipstick??? Shocker!


She already had it.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:54 am

HelloSweetie wrote:One more comment and then I'll drop it... but if they had previously had a miscarriage and chose to keep it quiet for their own privacy, then why make the IVF applicants open up and tell their own story for all to see?


Good point.

I seriously want to know when this happened. Because lying your way into the fertility ocmmunity is NOT cool. I can accept that she's just too dim to realize how ttc works, but clearly you dont have any issues getting pregnant if you have had a total of 5 pregnancies. Maybe youre not ovulating as often as most but a lot of that is related to body fat %.

They were open that before Jacksons pregnancy they had never gotten a positive. So it didnt happen then. And after Jackson she had one cycle and got pregnant the next with Calvin so it didnt happen then either. After Calvin it could have potentially happened before she got the IUD but I truly believe they would have talked about it, if not when it happened ($$$) then during the previous "miscarriage".

She's flat out lying. Which shouldnt surprise me, but it does disgust me.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Boredomatitsfinest » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:55 am

Okay, for what it's worth, I'd just like to say that after reading what you all have to say, I retract my previous statement. Haha. Who was I kidding? Ellie and Jared have proved time and time again that their morals are lacking; why would this be any different?

My deciding factor is all of the people who said, "Why bring it up now, after all this time?" You guys are right. It doesn't make sense - because it didn't happen. Either they're completely pulling this out of their asses to get an extra sympathy card/an in at the clinic, or Ellie is thinking back to another, heavier period she had and believing it was a miscarriage.

I agree that her post - while still confusing in some parts - was much more eloquently written than her usual. She must have had Jared peer edit this time.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Boredomatitsfinest » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:02 am

Sorry - double post but, this whole thing is kind of creeping me out. Like, I can't decide if they are completely conniving, calculated, malicious people that are smarter than we think (I think Ruby is that way), or if they really are just that simple minded, ignorant and dumb. I think it might be a mixture of both, tbh.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:05 am

Boredomatitsfinest wrote:Sorry - double post but, this whole thing is kind of creeping me out. Like, I can't decide if they are completely conniving, calculated, malicious people that are smarter than we think (I think Ruby is that way), or if they really are just that simple minded, ignorant and dumb. I think it might be a mixture of both, tbh.



A mix of both I'd say. But I do think this 3rd miscarriage is Ellie knowing that when they turn up to a fertility clinic next cycle she can say to everyone that she's had 3 miscarriages and go "look I've even talked about them all".

I know her family is OK with this, we've heard her mom say that you say whatever you need to in order to be seen NOW. But I wonder what Jareds parents think. And I wonder what the IVF couples really think.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Pency » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:11 am

Sorry if I'm dredging up things that have already been buried, but this thread title sucks. Sorry, but again I will say: miscarriages aren't karma. Karma means that if you do shitty things to other people, you'll get that same treatment in return. It's not some mystical force that causes medical issues, and insinuating as such perpetuates the idea that it's somehow a woman's fault when she miscarries or has IF, and I know from reading here that many of us have experienced one or both of those. I blame myself enough, I don't really need y'all telling me that any bad choices I've made in my life are coming back to haunt me in the form of not being able to carry a pregnancy to term. It really is bullshit, and for as much as we all nitpick at what E&J say as being insensitive to the IF community, it seems really hypocritical too.

If you all want to hate on me for saying that, so be it.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby GymChick » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:17 am

I feel sorry for her loss, and I'm trying not to participate much in the discussion about her MCs because I want to be respectful and not cross any lines. But regarding her instagram post (which is very Joan like), I've never understood dramatic social media posts, with descriptions like "I have needle marks in my arms" , it's the same people who make a big deal about IVs and think an IV is actually a needle in their arm lol it's prob just because I work in healthcare and see the worse of the worse...so I'll never get why certain people like to point out their needle bruises and marks lol random I know


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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:18 am

The more this goes on and the more Ellie lies the more Im bothered by the last "miscarriage". A evap line on a blue dye test thats KNOWN for giving evaps (false positives) and a heavier period after getting your IUD removed does NOT equal a miscarriage!

I hope someone calls Ellie during this miscarriage to announce their pregnancy. She deserves all the hate she's getting. The way she treats people, Jared, the IVF couples, the lady at Walmart, fans, she deserves to get called on her crap.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby HelloSweetie » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:21 am

gymchick43 wrote:I feel sorry for her loss, and I'm trying not to participate much in the discussion about her MCs because I want to be respectful and not cross any lines. But regarding her instagram post (which is very Joan like), I've never understood dramatic social media posts, with descriptions like "I have needle marks in my arms" , it's the same people who make a big deal about IVs and think an IV is actually a needle in their arm lol it's prob just because I work in healthcare and see the worse of the worse...so I'll never get why certain people like to point out their needle bruises and marks lol random I know


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She would have had one blood test. One needle mark. Maybe two if they had trouble finding a vein....

She's embellishing for sympathy and attention.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby RecklessDisregard » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:21 am

OK, I plead ignorance about fertility clinics. I did not seek treatment when I had the opportunity (which I regret), but that's neither here nor there.

I'm aware that changing her "2 miscarriages" story to 3 in order to expedite treatment is unethical, but it still didn't really disturb me, which perhaps says something about my character, but is not a hill I care to die on.

I assumed that if E+J could pay, then there were enough specialists to go around. That has been the case in specialties I am more familiar with. It's a shitty and unfair system for those with poor insurance or none at all, but people with good coverage or who can self-pay at premium rates generally get excellent and timely treatment (again, in other specialties).

So I was not aware that Ellie getting treatment would prevent someone else (who didn't lie) from getting it.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Pency » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:22 am

FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:The more this goes on and the more Ellie lies the more Im bothered by the last "miscarriage". A evap line on a blue dye test thats KNOWN for giving evaps (false positives) and a heavier period after getting your IUD removed does NOT equal a miscarriage!

I hope someone calls Ellie during this miscarriage to announce their pregnancy. She deserves all the hate she's getting. The way she treats people, Jared, the IVF couples, the lady at Walmart, fans, she deserves to get called on her crap.


...so I just want to clarify my above point by saying that if somebody DOES call her to announce their pregnancy while she's miscarrying THAT would be an example of karma kicking her ass, NOT the miscarriage itself.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby kittypurry » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:23 am

Yeeah, it's a total lie. Like someone pointed out after we found out about the recent loss, why would she have to push so hard for progesterone after not one, but two previous losses? Why would they not be taking her betas (hcg) every 48 hours? There's no way she had two previous losses at any point before this most recent miscarriage.


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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:24 am

HelloSweetie wrote:
gymchick43 wrote:I feel sorry for her loss, and I'm trying not to participate much in the discussion about her MCs because I want to be respectful and not cross any lines. But regarding her instagram post (which is very Joan like), I've never understood dramatic social media posts, with descriptions like "I have needle marks in my arms" , it's the same people who make a big deal about IVs and think an IV is actually a needle in their arm lol it's prob just because I work in healthcare and see the worse of the worse...so I'll never get why certain people like to point out their needle bruises and marks lol random I know


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She would have had one blood test. One needle mark. Maybe two if they had trouble finding a vein....

She's embellishing for sympathy and attention.



Exactly!!! She's acting like she's been giving herself fertility meds for weeks before this miscarriage. She got pregnant, naturally, in a short amount of time and had a miscarriage. Im sorry, but it happens. Ive been there, many, many women have.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:26 am

kittypurry wrote:Yeeah, it's a total lie. Like someone pointed out after we found out about the recent loss, why would she have to push so hard for progesterone after not one, but two previous losses? Why would they not be taking her betas (hcg) every 48 hours? There's no way she had two previous losses at any point before this most recent miscarriage.


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Yes! There is NO WAY she would have had to push for progesterone to be tested, there is NO WAY they would have took the kids to the viability scan. There is NO WAY she wouldnt have been terrified to go to that ultrasound if she had two previous losses. She went into that ultrasound expecting everything to be great. Repeat loss moms DO NOT DO THAT.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby IceCreamCone » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:31 am

Pency wrote:...so I just want to clarify my above point by saying that if somebody DOES call her to announce their pregnancy while she's miscarrying THAT would be an example of karma kicking her ass, NOT the miscarriage itself.


No. I suggested the title because if they fakes a miscarriage to get into the loss community, then it is karma to actually have one. I'm sorry you've taken offence, but it wasn't about you. If you haven't faked a miscarriage and or sold other people's stories for attention and monetization, then it isn't the same.

I'm a member of the loss and infertility community as well and still believe in karma. I just don't believe my losses had anything to do with it because I had no great issue to atone for.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Boredomatitsfinest » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:33 am

Pency wrote:Sorry if I'm dredging up things that have already been buried, but this thread title sucks. Sorry, but again I will say: miscarriages aren't karma. Karma means that if you do shitty things to other people, you'll get that same treatment in return. It's not some mystical force that causes medical issues, and insinuating as such perpetuates the idea that it's somehow a woman's fault when she miscarries or has IF, and I know from reading here that many of us have experienced one or both of those. I blame myself enough, I don't really need y'all telling me that any bad choices I've made in my life are coming back to haunt me in the form of not being able to carry a pregnancy to term. It really is bullshit, and for as much as we all nitpick at what E&J say as being insensitive to the IF community, it seems really hypocritical too.

If you all want to hate on me for saying that, so be it.


I think this is a valid point. I'm not personally offended by it, but I don't like that so many of you are, soo... is it even possible to change a thread title once it's already been created? Can a mod do it without having to create a whole new thread?

Also, I just want to add - I was one of the posters who said that it might be karma at work. I wish there was a better word for karma that doesn't imply that they deserve it (because they don't), but just more so that you get what you give. Ellie and Jared were assholes about the Mother's Day announcement from start to finish.

I guess what I'm trying to clarify is that: I wasn't trying to imply that their "karma" is that they're having a miscarriage because they're bad people and they deserve it. I just think that faking a pregnancy/miscarriage (whether intentional or not) for profit, and the way they handled themselves with the IVF contestants, could only bring nothing but bad... "karma" (for lack of better words) in return. I don't think that any of you are even capable of doing anything even similar to what they have done, therefore, I don't mean to imply that just anyone could possibly create "karma" of this kind.

I hope I'm making sense. :/ I just felt the need to clarify that. And I'm honestly, sincerely sorry to anyone that I offended by my statement.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby IceCreamCone » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:38 am

FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:
kittypurry wrote:Yeeah, it's a total lie. Like someone pointed out after we found out about the recent loss, why would she have to push so hard for progesterone after not one, but two previous losses? Why would they not be taking her betas (hcg) every 48 hours? There's no way she had two previous losses at any point before this most recent miscarriage.


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Yes! There is NO WAY she would have had to push for progesterone to be tested, there is NO WAY they would have took the kids to the viability scan. There is NO WAY she wouldnt have been terrified to go to that ultrasound if she had two previous losses. She went into that ultrasound expecting everything to be great. Repeat loss moms DO NOT DO THAT.


Not good repeat loss moms anyway. Katie is a good example of how I felt after my losses. I was beyond scared, and the fear didn't really go away after I had my baby. I was scared to even try again or a second child because I didn't want to introduce that chaos into my life again. Ellie takes Jackson to all her appointments, tells him everything that goes on, he knows how and when she's going to test (we've seen him talk about mommy peeing on the stick to put a baby in her tummy) and now he knows and has even repeated out loud the miscarriage process.

Plus someone who has experienced a loss or infertility would know how painful it is to have someone call and tell you they are pregnant. They should certainly be smart enough to know that Mother's Day is the worst day to call.

Someone asked if it's possible that Ellie became pregnant the cycle before this one. She had her brows micro bladed in that time and you can't have it done or be healing when you are pregnant/TTC. I believe she took that month off. She did that talk about her miscarriage vlog a few weeks after that too, and talked about how she was still processing. She didn't get pregnant then either. I agree with those that say it's all just more lies. You know, like giving t-shirt money to Aunt Sonia for her cancer recovery ;)
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:42 am

IceCreamCone wrote:
Pency wrote:...so I just want to clarify my above point by saying that if somebody DOES call her to announce their pregnancy while she's miscarrying THAT would be an example of karma kicking her ass, NOT the miscarriage itself.


No. I suggested the title because if they fakes a miscarriage to get into the loss community, then it is karma to actually have one. I'm sorry you've taken offence, but it wasn't about you. If you haven't faked a miscarriage and or sold other people's stories for attention and monetization, then it isn't the same.

I'm a member of the loss and infertility community as well and still believe in karma. I just don't believe my losses had anything to do with it because I had no great issue to atone for.



Exactly. I am a repeat member of the miscarriage club. I dont feel I have done anything particularily horrible in my life to deserve it, however I didnt lie about a miscarriage, add a third on just for fun, or call couples who are seriously struggling, one with a still birth, on mothers day to brag I got pregnant my first cycle after having my IUD removed. Ellie is a horrible person. The way Ellie has lied, manipulated, and down right emotionally abused near strangers is totally sending some awful karma, juju, vibes, whatever you want to call it, into the world. She is getting it back now in spades, and its about time.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Boredomatitsfinest » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:46 am

Okay, last post for a while I promise. I'm just curious, is having multiple miscarriages after 2 successful pregnancies considered IF? Not being snarky, I'm honestly wondering. I don't think that Missy ever even claimed IF before Ollie, did she? Nor did Ruby after her what, five miscarriages?

If that's the case, and Ellie is really going to claim this is her third MC after 2 successful pregnancies, I think that some review of her IF is in order... Getting pregnant doesn't seem to be her problem after all.

Ugh.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby menehune » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:47 am

Add me to team liar. That was a carefully drafted insta post with the help of Jared which tells me it's PR of some sort. They have an agenda. There is no a Narcissist like Ellie had a miscarriage and didn't talk about it. How much have we heard about her laundry room and other insignificant things in her life? They talk about Calvin's scare like they are lucky to have him alive and yet had a loss and it's never even mentioned accidentally. Bonnie talked about the loss in her vlog today and mentioned that Ruby had been through it and so had Julie. The way she spoke about sounded an awful lot like this was Ellie's first one.

I went back and watched the vlogs around the Mother's Day reveal to see if they had said anything about miscarriage concerns and they didn't. Ellie did test the first time with a First Response though, and then tested Mother's Day eve and day with a CB. Your'e telling me knowing what we know now about how she takes multiple brands of tests (see the most recent reveal) that she had a very faint line and didn't try another brand? Didn't immediately rush out and buy the brand she usually trusts? The only brand of tests shown in that vlog were Clear Blue. Definitely some sort of brand deal or all the other sticks she tried were negative and disregarded. Jared's body language definitely reveals he doesn't trust it on a second watch.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby Pency » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:48 am

IceCreamCone wrote:
Pency wrote:...so I just want to clarify my above point by saying that if somebody DOES call her to announce their pregnancy while she's miscarrying THAT would be an example of karma kicking her ass, NOT the miscarriage itself.


No. I suggested the title because if they fakes a miscarriage to get into the loss community, then it is karma to actually have one. I'm sorry you've taken offence, but it wasn't about you. If you haven't faked a miscarriage and or sold other people's stories for attention and monetization, then it isn't the same.

I'm a member of the loss and infertility community as well and still believe in karma. I just don't believe my losses had anything to do with it because I had no great issue to atone for.


I didn't say it was about me. I said it was really hypocritical for a forum that consistently gives a YouTuber hell for being insensitive to the infertility community to take such a blase stance on infertility or miscarriage. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. But obviously you think your karma card is clear, so good on you.
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Re: E+J: The Lessons of Karma - Part # 31

Postby menehune » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:51 am

FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:
Exactly. I am a repeat member of the miscarriage club. I dont feel I have done anything particularily horrible in my life to deserve it, however I didnt lie about a miscarriage, add a third on just for fun, or call couples who are seriously struggling, one with a still birth, on mothers day to brag I got pregnant my first cycle after having my IUD removed. Ellie is a horrible person. The way Ellie has lied, manipulated, and down right emotionally abused near strangers is totally sending some awful karma, juju, vibes, whatever you want to call it, into the world. She is getting it back now in spades, and its about time.


Also a member of the club and I believe in Karma. If someone faked cancer and then later actually got cancer, I would call it Karma. I definitely don't feel that most people who get sick are being punished by cosmic law. I don't think it works that way.

I understand why people are being sensitive, but though there are many members of the loss community here, these are still gossip boards. Plus the talk is about E+J only and not anyone else.
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