John and Joan: 11 Hours of Pushing Lies | Part 3

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Talks about breastfeeding in private....

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She still doesn't look ok by the way. She always has that sadness in her eye and that tone to her voice. Plus all the careless mistakes....


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I never saw the comments on her latest video... were people pointing out that Vera's head/neck were at a 90 degree angle? The careless parenting by both of them is shocking! Joan should be thanking people for looking out for the safety and well being of their daughter.
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I’m sure anyone privately and politely messaging them on IG about car seat as baby wearing tips are also getting blocked. Joan just because baby products are sold on the market, like your terrible baby carrier satchel sling thing does not mean it is approved. Please research safe baby wearing and car seats. Last thing we want is freaking sids because of positional asphyxiation, it’s a real thing- when you get that many comments about it- that means it’s serious- not just nitpicking haters! Safety first always


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lmmomSD wrote:
cheesecakes wrote:
Gossipgirlygirl333 wrote:Oh lord... in their latest vlog you can see Vera's head is completely SIDEWAYS in the baby car mirror. Either they aren't using the appropriate tilt in the carseat or that carseat is not meant for newborns.
That is 100% an infant car seat.

The base may not be installed level though. However, when they had the car seat on the picnic table, John tried to straighten her head and her head just flopped back to the side, and the car seat technically would be sufficiently reclined on its own on a flat surface.
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Maybe it's the right car seat, but she's not in it right? Like maybe she needs to skootch down a little?
Bet they blew off any attempt by hospital staff to give them car seat safety tips.


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Really fresh newborns don’t have enough head control to keep their neck up when sleeping. This is definitely a normal thing that happens.
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Gossipgirlygirl333 wrote:Oh lord... in their latest vlog you can see Vera's head is completely SIDEWAYS in the baby car mirror. Either they aren't using the appropriate tilt in the carseat or that carseat is not meant for newborns.
I came on here to post this exact same thing. That is so scary and unsafe something is going wrong there.

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Edenberry wrote:My eyes have rolled back so far they've done a complete 360. No one wants to see this, Joan.
Can’t see it on my phone !! What is it
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1000Words wrote:
Edenberry wrote:My eyes have rolled back so far they've done a complete 360. No one wants to see this, Joan.
Can’t see it on my phone !! What is it
A picture of her breastfeeding topless in their garden or woods, taking about how it's nice to get practice before publicly nursing

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Edenberry wrote:My eyes have rolled back so far they've done a complete 360. No one wants to see this, Joan.
Lol wow- I really hate that women get that mentality that it's going to be so hard. Yes, you may get the occasional jerk but you have every right to breastfeed your child however you need to. I cover up as much as possible for myself and others but I have three kids, nursed in public a million times in a million places and have never once noticed any negativity- and if I do, so what? Gotta feed my tiny human! It's not rocket science... oh right, I forgot she's the pioneer of breastfeeding after loss. My bad.

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And what "group of friends" is she going to go out with? She cut everyone off who dared to bear a living child or get pregnant after Maeve.

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Very sad and disturbing!! Maeve is clearly decomposing in that picture...
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The corpse pictures are so incredibly unnerving and disgusting
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I think disgusting is a bit insensitive, imagine having a full term still born, I’m sure you would want pictures of them. Of course sharing them to public is a bit different, but also to her credit she does keep her IG private so people have a choice to see the photos.

Im sad though that Joan keeps the grieving mother posts going. Please Joan you need to stop remembering Maeve as if she is currently a 3 year old now. She has passed and now you get to live in the moment with your living child. I feel like everyday she thinks of the “what if’s” and every new day she has with Vera isn’t about Vera but a reason for her to be sad about not having that many days with Maeve. [img]//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201807 ... 66fe2d.png[/img]


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GymChick wrote:I think disgusting is a bit insensitive, imagine having a full term still born, I’m sure you would want pictures of them. Of course sharing them to public is a bit different, but also to her credit she does keep her IG private so people have a choice to see the photos.

Im sad though that Joan keeps the grieving mother posts going. Please Joan you need to stop remembering Maeve as if she is currently a 3 year old now. She has passed and now you get to live in the moment with your living child. I feel like everyday she thinks of the “what if’s” and every new day she has with Vera isn’t about Vera but a reason for her to be sad about not having that many days with Maeve. [img]//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201807 ... 66fe2d.png[/img]


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Exactly. Instead of enjoying all the first with Vera, she's mourning not getting to do them with Maeve. I'm sure most grieving mother's feel this way from time to time, but they still manage to make their living child the focus. Joan uses it for attention and sympathy in a very unhealthy way. Being a loss mom is an identity she has no intentions of giving up.


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do they not have A/C in their house?! That’s got to be miserable with a newborn.

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SassySassenach wrote:do they not have A/C in their house?! That’s got to be miserable with a newborn.

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I didn’t find it disgusting, just very sad that she is comparing her sleeping living child to her dead child...they are siblings ok but idk it’s just sad that she just can’t enjoy this time with Vera instead of bring Maeve into everything and mourn privately away from social media...I wonder if she has a therapist!!?
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ihateliars wrote:I didn’t find it disgusting, just very sad that she is comparing her sleeping living child to her dead child...they are siblings ok but idk it’s just sad that she just can’t enjoy this time with Vera instead of bring Maeve into everything and mourn privately away from social media...I wonder if she has a therapist!!?
She has said she does, but something isn't working. I hate to judge how someone grieves, and I haven't lost a child, but this doesn't seem "normal". I have a friend who lost an older child a couple of years ago,, and she gets sad around holidays and his birthday, but she doesn't bring him up every time her other kids have a milestone.
This is going to sound really harsh, but sometimes I wonder if it's actually grief, or that this is her way now. She's so caught up in her identity as a loss mom. I mean, I am sure she still grieves, but she's so used to bringing up Maeve, and getting the attention. I don't think it's conscious, but I wonder if that's part of it.

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ihateliars wrote:Very sad and disturbing!! Maeve is clearly decomposing in that picture...
That is disturbing, it really is. Putting your deceased child's picture next to your living child for comparison. She needs serious help
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lmmomSD wrote:
ihateliars wrote:I didn’t find it disgusting, just very sad that she is comparing her sleeping living child to her dead child...they are siblings ok but idk it’s just sad that she just can’t enjoy this time with Vera instead of bring Maeve into everything and mourn privately away from social media...I wonder if she has a therapist!!?
She has said she does, but something isn't working. I hate to judge how someone grieves, and I haven't lost a child, but this doesn't seem "normal". I have a friend who lost an older child a couple of years ago,, and she gets sad around holidays and his birthday, but she doesn't bring him up every time her other kids have a milestone.
This is going to sound really harsh, but sometimes I wonder if it's actually grief, or that this is her way now. She's so caught up in her identity as a loss mom. I mean, I am sure she still grieves, but she's so used to bringing up Maeve, and getting the attention. I don't think it's conscious, but I wonder if that's part of it.

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Yeah agreed... I think she's very confused about how she should feel right now. She's spent years grieving Maeve and surrounding herself with grief and sadness. Now that she has Vera and so much possibility for joy, I don't think she knows how to live life with happiness. She doesn't need to "forget" Maeve, but she does need to move forward... if she keeps looking backward she's going to miss watching her daughter grow up. I really hope she finds some help, because she is at a massive risk for PPD and maybe even postpartum psychosis.
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Gossipgirlygirl333 wrote:
lmmomSD wrote:
ihateliars wrote:I didn’t find it disgusting, just very sad that she is comparing her sleeping living child to her dead child...they are siblings ok but idk it’s just sad that she just can’t enjoy this time with Vera instead of bring Maeve into everything and mourn privately away from social media...I wonder if she has a therapist!!?
She has said she does, but something isn't working. I hate to judge how someone grieves, and I haven't lost a child, but this doesn't seem "normal". I have a friend who lost an older child a couple of years ago,, and she gets sad around holidays and his birthday, but she doesn't bring him up every time her other kids have a milestone.
This is going to sound really harsh, but sometimes I wonder if it's actually grief, or that this is her way now. She's so caught up in her identity as a loss mom. I mean, I am sure she still grieves, but she's so used to bringing up Maeve, and getting the attention. I don't think it's conscious, but I wonder if that's part of it.

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Yeah agreed... I think she's very confused about how she should feel right now. She's spent years grieving Maeve and surrounding herself with grief and sadness. Now that she has Vera and so much possibility for joy, I don't think she knows how to live life with happiness. She doesn't need to "forget" Maeve, but she does need to move forward... if she keeps looking backward she's going to miss watching her daughter grow up. I really hope she finds some help, because she is at a massive risk for PPD and maybe even postpartum psychosis.

It’s like she doesn’t know how to parent a living child. I have Other friends who’ve lost children... they don’t act
Ike she does. She needs to give her all to Vera. Vera is here. She’s not grounded in reality.
Also breastfeeding hurts... if she wants to fully nurse Vera she needs to. I don’t care how you feed your baby but shes confusing bottle and breast... she’s home 24/7... she could literally nurse all day. And get comfortable and teach Vera. When Vera prefers the faster nipple of a bottle and Joan has a breakdown it’s her fault.
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I found it really odd when Joan tried to say she wouldn't fit in with the new mom group because she's not a new mom in their newest vlog.. ? Like excuse me, what? This is her first child, how is she not a new mom?????????
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