John and Joan: 11 Hours of Pushing Lies | Part 3

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Re: John and Joan: 11 Hours of Pushing Lies | Part 3

Post by 131618 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:26 pm

Finally got around to watching some of their videos. The weekend one was super cringey! She seems so passive aggressive (though tbf a lot of people on youtube seem that way), and John acts like he's neglected. It's so weird how she sounds like she's going to burst into tears when she talks and her laugh seems so...idk strange. Had she always been so low energy? Can't imagine what all they've been through but there's a very weird vibe in their vlogs that's kind of uncomfortable to watch

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Post by 1000Words » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:38 pm

It’s so annoying watching these videos ....I really really really wish someone and her real life would tellher that her bottlefeeding and her nipple shield is detrimental to her nursing and if she’s pumping that she’s taking milk that she could literally just be nursing the baby with... she’s so into wanting to nurse she’s literally sabotaging herself not to mention when you bottlefeed it’s a whole different thing and you’re stretching the baby stomach and on top of that the baby wants the nipple because it’s not being placed fed like If it were nursing. And then the whole complaining about her nipples hurting wow wow wow That’s what happens but since you’re not nursing all the time you’re not getting used to it. Yes it hurts put some cream on keep nursing through it and eventually it’s fine. I feel like she’s literally doing these things on purpose to try to create more difficulty for herself.That’s what happens girlfriend but since you’re not nursing all the time you aren’t used to it... Also She probably just wants to suck on something after she’s a nurse and instead they’re shoving bottles in her mouth and then thinking she still not getting enough that’s beyond crazy give her a freaking pacifier
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Post by Missy1393 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:09 am

1000Words wrote:It’s so annoying watching these videos ....I really really really wish someone and her real life would tellher that her bottlefeeding and her nipple shield is detrimental to her nursing and if she’s pumping that she’s taking milk that she could literally just be nursing the baby with... she’s so into wanting to nurse she’s literally sabotaging herself not to mention when you bottlefeed it’s a whole different thing and you’re stretching the baby stomach and on top of that the baby wants the nipple because it’s not being placed fed like If it were nursing. And then the whole complaining about her nipples hurting wow wow wow That’s what happens but since you’re not nursing all the time you’re not getting used to it. Yes it hurts put some cream on keep nursing through it and eventually it’s fine. I feel like she’s literally doing these things on purpose to try to create more difficulty for herself.That’s what happens girlfriend but since you’re not nursing all the time you aren’t used to it... Also She probably just wants to suck on something after she’s a nurse and instead they’re shoving bottles in her mouth and then thinking she still not getting enough that’s beyond crazy give her a freaking pacifier
Gosh. I realize this is a gossip site, I’m not new here but holy crap. Nursing is hard, it’s a huge learning curve. My kiddo was practically force fed formula by the Nicu staff his first 3 days and they were unsupportive of nursing because it was harder for them. I pumped and bottle fed a lot in the first weeks. But you know what? It was fine, we figured it out and are almost to our goal of 1 year of bf. It’s not ‘beyond crazy’ for a brand new mom to be worried about her not getting enough. I think that’s pretty common. Snark away but holy crap, none of us are perfect parents and we all had shit we had to figure out and probably a few things we’ve learned the hard way.


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Post by Amelia322 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:20 am

Has anyone seen Joan’s recent post?!?!?


I’m curious to what you all think!!!!! Quick!!!!!!!


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Post by Nikier » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:32 am

Amelia322 wrote:Has anyone seen Joan’s recent post?!?!?


I’m curious to what you all think!!!!! Quick!!!!!!!


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It’s like she thinks she owns the word “Grief”, and if it’s not used to her liking you’re being too dramatic and have no clue what grief really is.
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Post by cheesecakes » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:34 am

1000Words wrote:It’s so annoying watching these videos ....I really really really wish someone and her real life would tellher that her bottlefeeding and her nipple shield is detrimental to her nursing and if she’s pumping that she’s taking milk that she could literally just be nursing the baby with... she’s so into wanting to nurse she’s literally sabotaging herself not to mention when you bottlefeed it’s a whole different thing and you’re stretching the baby stomach and on top of that the baby wants the nipple because it’s not being placed fed like If it were nursing. And then the whole complaining about her nipples hurting wow wow wow That’s what happens but since you’re not nursing all the time you’re not getting used to it. Yes it hurts put some cream on keep nursing through it and eventually it’s fine. I feel like she’s literally doing these things on purpose to try to create more difficulty for herself.That’s what happens girlfriend but since you’re not nursing all the time you aren’t used to it... Also She probably just wants to suck on something after she’s a nurse and instead they’re shoving bottles in her mouth and then thinking she still not getting enough that’s beyond crazy give her a freaking pacifier
Have you actually nursed a baby??? Lol! You have no idea what you’re talking about. I have 2 kids and the first couple weeks of nursing is the worst. Tiny mouths make your nipples bleed and scab. Breastfeeding while my nipples were like that felt like their mouths were lined with sandpaper or shards of glass. I would use a shield and pump when the pain was too much. My babies didn’t have nipple confusion and easily went from breast to bottle and back to breast. They could use pacifiers without it interfering with nursing too. By the end of the first month it was smooth sailing, but those first weeks suck because their mouths are so small. Once their mouths are big enough, they are able to latch better and do less damage to your nipples. Joan’s only possible crime here is giving up too easily because she doesn’t want Vera to be upset. But it seems like the lactation consultant has given her some confidence and they will be free of the nipple shield soon enough.
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Post by HelloSweetie » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:35 am

Amelia322 wrote:Has anyone seen Joan’s recent post?!?!?


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I hated the topless pic she took of Vera the other day. I just don’t think babies need to be naked for it to be cute. Makes me twitchy.

I don’t think this pic is cute at all. If she wanted to do it whatever, but there is no need to post it!

The whole skin to skin to bond thing gets taken way too far these days.


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Post by HelloSweetie » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:40 am

Also, just feed your baby. Bottle, formula, breastfeeding, etc. I don’t care.

I hate how these boards become the breastfeeding Olympics whenever a YTer has a baby. If you did it.... great. If you didn’t.... also great. Feeding your kid too often is better than not feeding them often enough which happens far too often as well.

No one can tell which child was breastfed and which one wasn’t when they play in the park or begin school.


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Post by Pineapples » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:40 am

I think it’s entirely inappropriate for Instagram! You can almost her entire pubic mound, and as gorgeous as newborn baby bottoms are, they should not be shared with anyone other than very immediate family! What is wrong with this woman!!


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Post by actuallydear » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:40 am

Yeah, what the actual HELL. That picture is definitely NSFW. You can see her entire mons pubis and Vera's butt. Not appropriate.

But don't get me started on the caption. She puts the 'me' in 'Maeve'... and the 'I' in 'grief'.

I was hoping she would use this new beginning to start a new beginning, but nope. Here comes Joan, pushing down every other competitor in the Pain Olympics so she can win the golden Grief medal.

She needs to move on. Grief and hardship don't need to be her identity anymore. If her followers want that because they're in a place that she was just before Vera was born, well, they can go back and read those old posts or unfollow and find some new loss mom's.

Joan needs to focus solely on Vera. Because she is alive and needs her mom's full attention.
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Post by Playsinrain » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:46 am

sooo. maybe i'm missing the point, but what does her (almost) vagina and her naked baby have to do with grief?????

I knew the pain olympics would not stop after Vera was born. Yo Joan... it's not up to you to decide who grieves what, and how they do so... get over yourself.
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Post by actuallydear » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:59 am

Playsinrain wrote:sooo. maybe i'm missing the point, but what does her (almost) vagina and her naked baby have to do with grief?????

I knew the pain olympics would not stop after Vera was born. Yo Joan... it's not up to you to decide who grieves what, and how they do so... get over yourself.
it's to show her barely-there c-section scar.

because she went through the most pain. she had a stillborn. infertility. miscarriage. a baby that was breech, and then flipped, a painful labour because the baby was stuck, and then a c-section.

but she still walked out of that hospital!
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Post by boredmamaneedsdrama » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:03 am

Joan's last Instagram picture.Image
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Post by Amelia322 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:06 am

Exactly and I’m sure she shaved just for this pic lol like really girl just focus on your baby and recovery.

I don’t see why anyone would even want to keep this pic as a keepsake it’s too much. There are other ways girl.


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Post by Edenberry » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:21 am

That is unbelievably inappropriate. Yes, it's her own IG page, but she knows how many people follow her. Who in their right mind would want to see that?! Yikes. No, just no. Put it away, Joan.
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Post by rogi822 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:39 am

HelloSweetie wrote:Also, just feed your baby. Bottle, formula, breastfeeding, etc. I don’t care.

I hate how these boards become the breastfeeding Olympics whenever a YTer has a baby. If you did it.... great. If you didn’t.... also great. Feeding your kid too often is better than not feeding them often enough which happens far too often as well.

No one can tell which child was breastfed and which one wasn’t when they play in the park or begin school.


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I agree. This goes outside these boards as well. Everyone’s experiences are different. And as long as your baby is being fed that is all that matters. Nobody needs to be a martyr when it comes to feeding your baby. It’s just necessary.


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Post by 131618 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:05 am

What gets me is the belittling of that mom's grief over birth plan going badly. I will admit I roll my eyes sometimes at women dramatically recalling their birth that didn't go according to plan but grief is relative. She doesn't own grief. She doesn't get to decide if you've experienced "real" grief or not.


...btw did I say "grief" enough times ;-P

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Post by ihateliars » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:00 am

boredmamaneedsdrama wrote:Joan's last Instagram picture.Image
So disturbing!!
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Post by notclever » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:09 am

131618 wrote:What gets me is the belittling of that mom's grief over birth plan going badly. I will admit I roll my eyes sometimes at women dramatically recalling their birth that didn't go according to plan but grief is relative. She doesn't own grief. She doesn't get to decide if you've experienced "real" grief or not.


...btw did I say "grief" enough times ;-P

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Yes! I might get blocked but I had to comment on her post. That is so unkind. Everyone feels things differently. It's not fair to say someone's pain matters unless because you had it "worse." It's not a competition.

I wish she could just be happy now that Vera is here... I was really happy for her and hoping this could help her heal.


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Post by Playsinrain » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:19 am

On her story she has Vera at the dentist... maybe i'm old school, but doesn't a baby at least need teeth to be in need of a dental appt? I have never heard of taking a newborn to the dentist...
ETA: Lip/tongue tie issues?? Is that done by a dentist?
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Post by charmed596 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:32 am

Damn you can almost see her V lips.
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Post by Amelia322 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:51 am

She could’ve easily cropped it higher. We don’t need to see the tip of your vagina.


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Post by nutbagmcgee » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:05 pm

I’m not even gonna lie, I reported the picture to Instagram. They said that it didn’t show any nudity.
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Post by Playsinrain » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:13 pm

nutbagmcgee wrote:I’m not even gonna lie, I reported the picture to Instagram. They said that it didn’t show any nudity.
Same... even though on the page where you report it they say nudity or partial nudity of children is a no no...
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Post by Edenberry » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:44 pm

Something feels "off". I don't know, I'm getting a strange vibe from these posts. Almost manic and obsessive from Joan. She's desperately grasping for ways to still make everything about Maeve. I don't know how to articulate how I feel about her posts except that I'm deeply concerned about her sanity.
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