John and Joan: 11 Hours of Pushing Lies | Part 3

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Her identity is too tied up in the loss. She's still posting this picture. It's still her profile pic and wallpaper. Let Vera be VERA. She seems more like a replacement baby to Joan and I fear that's going to be her identity forever. A shadow of her sister. It's beyond sad. I can't with this, today.
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Edenberry wrote:Something feels "off". I don't know, I'm getting a strange vibe from these posts. Almost manic and obsessive from Joan. She's desperately grasping for ways to still make everything about Maeve. I don't know how to articulate how I feel about her posts except that I'm deeply concerned about her sanity.
She just posted a pic of her phone screen in her story of Maeve. I get where she is sad and misses her,but she has a living daughter at her finger tips she should focus on. I can see a few years down the road her and John splitting and him having custody of Vera. I'm concerned for her and the baby as well. Scary.

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Oh, & Vera’s blanket has foxes... I swear she can’t just let one moment pass that she isn’t pushing Maeve into the photo in some way.

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SassySassenach wrote:
Edenberry wrote:Something feels "off". I don't know, I'm getting a strange vibe from these posts. Almost manic and obsessive from Joan. She's desperately grasping for ways to still make everything about Maeve. I don't know how to articulate how I feel about her posts except that I'm deeply concerned about her sanity.
She followed the pediatric dentist photo with a picture of Maeve.... because we obviously can’t let Vera have all the attention. Image

Also, I’m not sure why she’s taking a newborn to the dentist?? Anyone know?


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It's so so sad. Poor Vera.
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Edenberry wrote:Her identity is too tied up in the loss. She's still posting this picture. It's still her profile pic and wallpaper. Let Vera be VERA. She seems more like a replacement baby to Joan and I fear that's going to be her identity forever. A shadow of her sister. It's beyond sad. I can't with this, today.
Replacement wasn't the word I was looking for. SUBSTITUTE baby
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Why can’t Vera be on her lock screen? Is she not good enough?

Maeve will not be mad if there is no memory of her on the daily. She’s perfect in heaven. Why can’t the focus be 100% on Bera?


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SassySassenach wrote:Oh, & Vera’s blanket has foxes... I swear she can’t just let one moment pass that she isn’t pushing Maeve into the photo in some way.

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Am I the only one wondering why is a new born in the dentist?

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They are probably checking for a tongue and upper lip tie. She talks to Ellie who has been so adamant that her doctor didn’t properly diagnose one with Calvin. Could be the doctor told Joan that Vera was fine, but she wanted to check with a dentist? My oldest son’s upper lip tie needed to be snipped by a dentist. The doctor wouldn’t touch it. He did the lower lip tie on my youngest though.


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ssr0312 wrote:
SassySassenach wrote:Oh, & Vera’s blanket has foxes... I swear she can’t just let one moment pass that she isn’t pushing Maeve into the photo in some way.




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Am I the only one wondering why is a new born in the dentist?

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In the UK it's recommended to take them as soon as possible, and definitely have taken them when their first tooth appears
a couple of weeks old does seem too young though
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jiggy_girl wrote:
ssr0312 wrote:
SassySassenach wrote:Oh, & Vera’s blanket has foxes... I swear she can’t just let one moment pass that she isn’t pushing Maeve into the photo in some way.




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Am I the only one wondering why is a new born in the dentist?

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In the UK it's recommended to take them as soon as possible, and definitely have taken them when their first tooth appears
a couple of weeks old does seem too young though
Yes! I know that is recommended as soon as they get their first tooth :) that makes complete sense! I thought this early was odd lol glad I'm not the only one!

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SassySassenach wrote:Oh, & Vera’s blanket has foxes... I swear she can’t just let one moment pass that she isn’t pushing Maeve into the photo in some way.

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And don't forget the fox hanging from the car seat...

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Yes u have to go to a pediatric dentist to even diagnose a tongue or lip tie, then if they have the equipment they can do the procedure or they refer you to a ENT dr to have the procedure done! Very normal and great they are getting it checked!


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What is she going to do if Vera doesn’t have red hair? From what I can tell she appears blonde. I wonder if that upsets her. I have no doubt she was desperately hoping for a twin of Maeve.


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What is she going to do if Vera doesn’t have red hair? From what I can tell she appears blonde. I wonder if that upsets her. I have no doubt she was desperately hoping for a twin of Maeve.


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I'm new to their videos, and have watched tons of their videos in the past week.

I have a few questions:
1) What is the significance of the fox and how does it relate to Maeve?

2) Do they plan on having any more children/ have they said?



Also, Joan is not well. Her story breaks my heart, but i truly worry that she is not mentally stable enough to raise Vera.
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Thank God she'll take /some/ advice! [img]//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201807 ... bacadb.jpg[/img][img]//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201807 ... c37d00.jpg[/img]

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Pineapples wrote:I think it’s entirely inappropriate for Instagram! You can almost her entire pubic mound, and as gorgeous as newborn baby bottoms are, they should not be shared with anyone other than very immediate family! What is wrong with this woman!!


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Not to mention I hate That babies can’t give consent to having their parts shown...
If she wanted to show her CS area good for her... she didn’t have to almost show her whole pubic region OR Vera without her consent- she doesn’t know who follows her
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blondeusa wrote:I'm new to their videos, and have watched tons of their videos in the past week.

I have a few questions:
1) What is the significance of the fox and how does it relate to Maeve?

2) Do they plan on having any more children/ have they said?



Also, Joan is not well. Her story breaks my heart, but i truly worry that she is not mentally stable enough to raise Vera.
Before Maeve's birth John bought the fox stuff animal.
I think Vera was their last embryo.
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Man, Joan just will not let Maeve rest in peace. You're finally a mom now, focus on your only child.. Vera. She's here, she's alive and she needs you. Let Maeve go, cherish the memory of her and be thankful you were given a second chance. MANYY people have been through more grief than you will ever experience in your life Joan. We get it, your fetus died, but man it's been 3 years.. move on with your life. Change your lock screen, put vera first in your bio, change your profile picture.. M O V E O N.
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I’m sad for Vera... she will literally always know her mother wishes for her sister. She will feel inadequate.
Joan may even make Vera unstable by putting that grief onto her. Vera does not know Maeve. She could literally grow up normal. Joan will make sure she grows up knowing how much she’s missing out on by not having her big sister here. It seems so detrimental and abusive to me.
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