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Post by lmmomSD » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:30 pm

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ButterflyB wrote:Joan in her newest video talking about Vera’s birth...

“I don’t know how long I was pushing but it felt like hours!!” Then she explained that they had her try to rest throughout the night (not pushing) and let the contractions work Vera down themselves. Then morning rolled around and they decided on a csection. So no she wasn’t pushing for 11 or even 9 hours like she was saying right after V was born. It sounds like she pushed for maybe 2-3 hours then they had her rest for the night.

And those “machines that pump all the water out of my legs” are called scds and all moms that have a csection have those on until they are able to get up and walk. They are so you don’t get blood clots in your legs as you are immobile for a good while after surgery. She makes it sound like she is a special snowflake!


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Seriously. We ALL have birth battle stories, and they're unique for us, not WORSE THAN ANYONE ELSE'S BIRTH IN HISTORY!!
I wound up with a 4th degree perineal tear with my first (big ole noggin, lol). 42 crotch stitches that stung and itched like a MFer for weeks, pooping was a horror show, but I was all caught up in baby bliss and honestly never thought for one second that my birth was the birth to compare all other's to. I just gave birth...like all mothers do. Jeez.
I was talking to my OB after my second about a “normal uncomplicated birth”. He said in his 30 years of practicing he has yet to see one. Everyone’s got something but I think most forget because they are enjoying their little babes.


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I hate to say it, but I think my second was a "normal, uncomplicated birth". Epidural worked, I pushed for a couple of contractions, and his APGARS were 8 and 10.
Before he was born, I threw up so much that my total weight gain was 12 pounds. Afterwards, I was miserable from my endometriosis, but the actual labor and delivery? Smooth.
I think we're all rock stars.

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Post by 131618 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:36 pm

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Edenberry wrote: Seriously. We ALL have birth battle stories, and they're unique for us, not WORSE THAN ANYONE ELSE'S BIRTH IN HISTORY!!
I wound up with a 4th degree perineal tear with my first (big ole noggin, lol). 42 crotch stitches that stung and itched like a MFer for weeks, pooping was a horror show, but I was all caught up in baby bliss and honestly never thought for one second that my birth was the birth to compare all other's to. I just gave birth...like all mothers do. Jeez.
I was talking to my OB after my second about a “normal uncomplicated birth”. He said in his 30 years of practicing he has yet to see one. Everyone’s got something but I think most forget because they are enjoying their little babes.


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I hate to say it, but I think my second was a "normal, uncomplicated birth". Epidural worked, I pushed for a couple of contractions, and his APGARS were 8 and 10.
Before he was born, I threw up so much that my total weight gain was 12 pounds. Afterwards, I was miserable from my endometriosis, but the actual labor and delivery? Smooth.
I think we're all rock stars.

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Yeah, I've been spoiled. I had intense back labor and stitches with my first but next two went smoothly, no complications...5 mins pushing...I feel certain if we have more my luck will run out somehow lol

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Post by Gossipgirlygirl333 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:10 am

Joan's labor story just keeps getting muddier. First it was "pushing for 11 hours!" and her latest vlog it sounds like she pushed for a little while then they gave up and waited hours for Vera's head to descend naturally. Such bogus. 11 hours from 10cm to delivery via c section is NOT the same as actively pushing for 11 hours.
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Post by actuallydear » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:57 pm

from 1:40-2:30 Vera is busy side-eyeing Joan. If she could talk... it sees like she'd probably be telling Joan to stop exaggerating. Too funny!

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Post by madi_b_123 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:14 pm

Literally that fact that a woman can grow an actual human being inside of her and nurture it for 9+ months is pretty damn amazing! Regardless of how the baby gets out or what the woman goes through...the female body is pretty awesome and definitely worthy of the rockstar title!


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This isn’t going to help at all.


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Post by lmmomSD » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:27 am

madi_b_123 wrote:Literally that fact that a woman can grow an actual human being inside of her and nurture it for 9+ months is pretty damn amazing! Regardless of how the baby gets out or what the woman goes through...the female body is pretty awesome and definitely worthy of the rockstar title!


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Exactly. My ex, for all his flaws, appreciated that. He would say that all he did was go to work, while I was making a person. And working.
Like I said, we're all rock stars. No competition. Even the women who haven't been able to have a baby are-- going through infertility treatments, loss, disappointment, and still going on. Respect.

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Post by Scar2016 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:52 am

actuallydear wrote:from 1:40-2:30 Vera is busy side-eyeing Joan. If she could talk... it sees like she'd probably be telling Joan to stop exaggerating. Too funny!

The side eye on that baby has been hilarious to watch. If only we could insert speech bubbles into their vlogs above Vera's head :lol:
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Post by nutbagmcgee » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:07 am

Y’all, I cannot stand watching this woman because of her voice. It is awful and like nails on a chalkboard to me.
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Post by Nikier » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:24 pm

I wonder now if the tables were turned and heaven forbid anything happen to Vera and another loss mom said “well at least you got 5 weeks with her” if Joan would see things differently. Her words offend and hurt people and now that she has a living child she can’t play the pain Olympics with every loss mom with a living child(ren). There are so many people out there that would give anything to have a baby. I really hope Joan realizes how blessed she is and copes withs Maeve’s death so she can move forward with her life with Vera as her main focus.
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Post by webbygurl626 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:54 pm

Aren’t babies veras age still supposed to be froggy feet in the wrap that can’t be good for her little hips!
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Post by Scar2016 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:28 pm

nutbagmcgee wrote:Y’all, I cannot stand watching this woman because of her voice. It is awful and like nails on a chalkboard to me.
Her voice is the weirdest thing ever for a thirty something woman.
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Post by sugarpea » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:04 am

Does anyone else get the sense that Vera is "Joan's baby"? Between her "that's MY wakey baby," "that's MY beauty," her ALWAYS holding the baby, her always talking about what she and Vera do together, etc. It seems like John needs to ask to hold her or be with her. Joan seems very possessive of the baby.
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Post by flowerpuppy » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:52 am

sugarpea wrote:Does anyone else get the sense that Vera is "Joan's baby"? Between her "that's MY wakey baby," "that's MY beauty," her ALWAYS holding the baby, her always talking about what she and Vera do together, etc. It seems like John needs to ask to hold her or be with her. Joan seems very possessive of the baby.
she literally called her “my baby” in the birth vlog. something like “we’re taking my baby home now”. it was a red flag to me
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Post by SassySassenach » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:29 pm

This struck me as such an accurate representation of their life... John bonding with Vera, and Joan stuck in her grief.
I sincerely hope she can stop holding so tightly to the past & start living in the present with Vera.

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Post by here4thepopcorn » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:52 pm

SassySassenach wrote:This struck me as such an accurate representation of their life... John bonding with Vera, and Joan stuck in her grief.
I sincerely hope she can stop holding so tightly to the past & start living in the present with Vera.

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That is so disturbing and sad. Is Joan making this or are fans? If it is fans, they are doing Joan no favors by creating images like that.

If a healthy, living child isn't enough to wake Joan up from her grief, I don't see how anything will. I had high hopes. However, I am realizing that her grief has become her identity, and to move on would mean finding a new identity. But removing the grief identity would probably bring Joan a lot less sympathy and attention, which she has grown to love and thrive off of. In her mind, nothing anyone else goes through compares to how hard her life has been. It doesn't matter when people talk about their own loss stories, Joan finds a way to make her story "worse". The way she described her birth experience was so over the top. Nothing about it was nearly as awful as she tried to make it seem. Every woman in the hospital gets an IV. It is in case of emergencies (like a postpartum hemorrhage), there is already access for medications/fluids/blood. I feel at this point that there is no point in watching Joan. My hope that she would change is gone and it is depressing to think about this newborn growing up in the shadow of her stillborn sister.
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Post by YellowSweater1950 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:56 am

I never post here, but I read.

At this rate, Vera is going to be a daddy’s girl. Do you think Joan will resent Vera for being a daddy’s girl, and hold up Maeve as being a mommy’s girl?
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Post by webbygurl626 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:05 pm

YellowSweater1950 wrote:I never post here, but I read.

At this rate, Vera is going to be a daddy’s girl. Do you think Joan will resent Vera for being a daddy’s girl, and hold up Maeve as being a mommy’s girl?
I agree and I hope she is a daddy’s girl because all she will ever be to Joan is Maeve’s sister!


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Post by Kataja » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:57 pm

Scar2016 wrote:
nutbagmcgee wrote:Y’all, I cannot stand watching this woman because of her voice. It is awful and like nails on a chalkboard to me.
Her voice is the weirdest thing ever for a thirty something woman.
I think she should totally consult a voice coach. I think she is straining her voice by speaking that way. It might be learnt habit or something like that. She might end up losing her voice early on. It sounds like she is not using her midriff at all when speaking. (Sounds weird, i'm not native speaker. What I mean is that usually when people speak, they don't use only their ''upper-throat-voice'' like it seems that Joan is doing. It is weak and high and will damage her throat in a long run, if that is not already her damaged voice, it certainly sounds like that.
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Post by Kataja » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:41 am

Gossipgirlygirl333 wrote:Joan's labor story just keeps getting muddier. First it was "pushing for 11 hours!" and her latest vlog it sounds like she pushed for a little while then they gave up and waited hours for Vera's head to descend naturally. Such bogus. 11 hours from 10cm to delivery via c section is NOT the same as actively pushing for 11 hours.
Either she thinks that from 10cm forward, everything is counted ''pushing'' OR she thinks that active contractions mean ''pushing''. I cannot explain her weird statement any other way.
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Post by Scar2016 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:17 am

Kataja wrote:
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nutbagmcgee wrote:Y’all, I cannot stand watching this woman because of her voice. It is awful and like nails on a chalkboard to me.
Her voice is the weirdest thing ever for a thirty something woman.
I think she should totally consult a voice coach. I think she is straining her voice by speaking that way. It might be learnt habit or something like that. She might end up losing her voice early on. It sounds like she is not using her midriff at all when speaking. (Sounds weird, i'm not native speaker. What I mean is that usually when people speak, they don't use only their ''upper-throat-voice'' like it seems that Joan is doing. It is weak and high and will damage her throat in a long run, if that is not already her damaged voice, it certainly sounds like that.
Your comment makes sense imo. It seems as though she doesn't fully engage her diaphragm and is only using, as you say, more of her higher up throat voice. Speaking without fully engaging the diaphragm reduces breath support to one's voice which is exactly what her voice sounds like - weak and like a frail elderly person.
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Post by Scar2016 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:32 am

here4thepopcorn wrote:
SassySassenach wrote:This struck me as such an accurate representation of their life... John bonding with Vera, and Joan stuck in her grief.
I sincerely hope she can stop holding so tightly to the past & start living in the present with Vera.

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That is so disturbing and sad. Is Joan making this or are fans? If it is fans, they are doing Joan no favors by creating images like that.

If a healthy, living child isn't enough to wake Joan up from her grief, I don't see how anything will. I had high hopes. However, I am realizing that her grief has become her identity, and to move on would mean finding a new identity. But removing the grief identity would probably bring Joan a lot less sympathy and attention, which she has grown to love and thrive off of. In her mind, nothing anyone else goes through compares to how hard her life has been. It doesn't matter when people talk about their own loss stories, Joan finds a way to make her story "worse". The way she described her birth experience was so over the top. Nothing about it was nearly as awful as she tried to make it seem. Every woman in the hospital gets an IV. It is in case of emergencies (like a postpartum hemorrhage), there is already access for medications/fluids/blood. I feel at this point that there is no point in watching Joan. My hope that she would change is gone and it is depressing to think about this newborn growing up in the shadow of her stillborn sister.
Wow, very unsettling. John and Vera in the forefront, both very much alive, living life and thriving. Then Joan and Maeve - in the background, the living-dead grieving mother clinging onto her deceased 'ghost' baby. That photo really hit me in the solar plexus :| which is ironic considering my previous post about her diaphragm and the solar plexus being directly beneath it.
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Post by marshmallowfluf » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:07 am

Vera has her first modeling gig in August?? So thats how Joan is going to be a stay at home mom and never have to work?? Shes going to exploit her little girl.. lovely.


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Post by 1000Words » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:06 pm

marshmallowfluf wrote:Vera has her first modeling gig in August?? So thats how Joan is going to be a stay at home mom and never have to work?? Shes going to exploit her little girl.. lovely.


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Post by GetYouTubesTied » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:27 am

Hmm...this might just constitute progress! The last sentence about the grief not getting smaller but the love getting bigger is well put.

It used to be that Maeve's name came up in every post, but now the intervals between Maeve/grief mentions are starting to grow. I think it's dawning on Joan how narcissistic (in her words, "isolated") she has been for years. And I think it will continue to move in this direction.[img]//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201807 ... 1a0597.jpg[/img]
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