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ohmymy wrote:I understand a little better about the situation yesterday after re-watching the end of the vlog. People on here were really skewing what she said.

She was in no way talking about Calvin's situation being fatal. She was saying that she's grateful that she babies him a little more than Jackson because he obviously needed that extra attention and would have regretted not giving him the extra things that he needed after the upcoming diagnosis.

Also, in the comments she says that it isn't right what people are saying because they went about everything the way their doctor told them to.

It's unfortunate for them that they haven't told us more because that's why some people are freaking out. They're a bit lost in the story because so
I much is missing. But, that's E+Js choice.


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Yes they called their family doctor supposedly. But who in their right mind calls a doctor when your baby stops breathing for several minutes? Seconds? Idk but still. My first instinct would to be either call 911 as that "nurse" was resuscitating him, or drive him to nearest hospital. Not call my freaking family doctor who isn't a specialist by any means. I think she called the family doctor because she wants to avoid an ER trip which is just sad. But no, a sore throat = immediate urgent care visit
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The key word for me is "resuscitating".

If my child ever needs any form of resuscitation, he's getting urgent care. I don't care if it's been previously discussed with a doctor or not.

Kids don't just need resuscitation .
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ohmymy wrote:I understand a little better about the situation yesterday after re-watching the end of the vlog. People on here were really skewing what she said.

She was in no way talking about Calvin's situation being fatal. She was saying that she's grateful that she babies him a little more than Jackson because he obviously needed that extra attention and would have regretted not giving him the extra things that he needed after the upcoming diagnosis.

Also, in the comments she says that it isn't right what people are saying because they went about everything the way their doctor told them to.

It's unfortunate for them that they haven't told us more because that's why some people are freaking out. They're a bit lost in the story because so
I much is missing. But, that's E+Js choice.


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She talks like she knows he isn't going to grow up, or that she has a feeling something is very wrong with him.

And that whole part isn't what i have issue with, they have an infant that has stopped breathing TWICE, needed CPR to resuscitate him and NEITHER times have they gone to the ER about it. What kind of parenting is that?? It the VERY LEAST he needed to be checked out for internal injuries from the CPR. I took my son to the ER after he had to have the Heimlich done on him when he choked, and he was 13 at the time. He was absolutely fine at that point but for my own peace of mind i wanted him seen just in case! No way on EARTH would i let my infant just carry on with the day if CPR was preformed on them. But i guess thats just personal opinion. Calling a general practitioner wouldn't be enough for me to be at peace, actually calling the dr wouldn't even cross my mind.
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And I have to wonder if she was honest with the doctor. Most pediatricians would recommend an ER visit, or make time that day to see the kid themselves.

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I just cant see any pediatrician brushing off a child stopping breathing like that. I cannot see someone calling their dr and telling them "my child stopped breathing, we did CPR and now they are breathing again. What should we do?" and the Dr just telling them to make an appointment for a few days later. And another thing that keeps standing out in my mind is that Ellie has never said he was seizing, she said she thinks it's epilepsy, but she never said that he had an actual seizure, just that he was limp, unresponsive and not breathing. Which i feel like would throw up even more red flags to a dr.
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Most doctors tell you if you have a life threatening emergency to go to the ER or call 911. It seems odd to me that their ped would not advise them to be seen immediately. I'm presuming we don't know the entire story.

It is their prerogative to decide what to share with their audience but to share what happened yesterday and then put out a lazy vlog today is only going to lead to a decline in viewership with their adult audience. If they keep it up, adults and parents won't find them relatable anymore if time and time again they do the exact opposite of what most parents would do.


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This is a link to a video of Josie Duggar having a seizure from their tv show. It was a febrile seizure but I still imagine the situation with Calvin being really similar in my head. Give it a watch. Even they had the sense to cal 911.

Also, I am so confused about the resuscitation part for both incidents. I'm not convinced his heart actually stopped and he needed chest compressions from their stories. They never clearly communicated exactly what Jared and the nurse did. Maybe some rescue breathes were needed but the way they describe it I don't think he was pulseless and the nurse actually did compressions. I'm imagining them more like stimulating and patting him to get him to come to and breathe. I don't know...they're just so unclear (and uneducated)...the story just seems so fishy.


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SBC1990 wrote:
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SBC1990 wrote:Do anyone think they've talked about divorce and the reasoning for the house build is to try and keep their marriage together.

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Lol, that would make no sense whatsoever.

But nothing they do makes sense, so who knows?

I do believe E put pressure on J to start the house process much sooner than originally planned.
She was out looking for places to build with out Jared at times and her mom consulted her more with out Jared too.

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Random aside, but my former boss who I became close with bought a dream home with her husband and completely renovated it, only to tell me a few months later that they were getting a divorce and needed to sell the house because they were splitting marital assets. I was shocked. Sometimes when things are going south people do crazy things to distract themselves and try to hold the marriage together.
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liz749 wrote:

This is a link to a video of Josie Duggar having a seizure from their tv show. It was a febrile seizure but I still imagine the situation with Calvin being really similar in my head. Give it a watch. Even they had the sense to cal 911.

Also, I am so confused about the resuscitation part for both incidents. I'm not convinced his heart actually stopped and he needed chest compressions from their stories. They never clearly communicated exactly what Jared and the nurse did. Maybe some rescue breathes were needed but the way they describe it I don't think he was pulseless and the nurse actually did compressions. I'm imagining them more like stimulating and patting him to get him to come to and breathe. I don't know...they're just so unclear (and uneducated)...the story just seems so fishy.


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Exactly! Even they had sense to call 911, and they said this was her third seizure. A lot of the comments defending E&J yesterday were saying that oh if hes had seizures in the past then they did the right thing, going to the hospital would be dumb they wouldn't even do anything.. Those paramedics didnt look like they thought it wasnt an emergency. Its pretty effing bad when Michelle Duggar is better at parenting than you.. well i take that back, Jana was in sister mom role, BUT STILL...
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liz749 wrote:

This is a link to a video of Josie Duggar having a seizure from their tv show. It was a febrile seizure but I still imagine the situation with Calvin being really similar in my head. Give it a watch. Even they had the sense to cal 911.

Also, I am so confused about the resuscitation part for both incidents. I'm not convinced his heart actually stopped and he needed chest compressions from their stories. They never clearly communicated exactly what Jared and the nurse did. Maybe some rescue breathes were needed but the way they describe it I don't think he was pulseless and the nurse actually did compressions. I'm imagining them more like stimulating and patting him to get him to come to and breathe. I don't know...they're just so unclear (and uneducated)...the story just seems so fishy.


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New guidelines for CPR have changed. If someone isn't breathing and unresponsive you go right into breaths and chest compressions. No wasting time checking pulse anymore, same with if calvin passed out while chocking- you start performing CPR alternating with back blows.
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gymchick43 wrote:
ohmymy wrote:I understand a little better about the situation yesterday after re-watching the end of the vlog. People on here were really skewing what she said.

She was in no way talking about Calvin's situation being fatal. She was saying that she's grateful that she babies him a little more than Jackson because he obviously needed that extra attention and would have regretted not giving him the extra things that he needed after the upcoming diagnosis.

Also, in the comments she says that it isn't right what people are saying because they went about everything the way their doctor told them to.

It's unfortunate for them that they haven't told us more because that's why some people are freaking out. They're a bit lost in the story because so
I much is missing. But, that's E+Js choice.


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Yes they called their family doctor supposedly. But who in their right mind calls a doctor when your baby stops breathing for several minutes? Seconds? Idk but still. My first instinct would to be either call 911 as that "nurse" was resuscitating him, or drive him to nearest hospital. Not call my freaking family doctor who isn't a specialist by any means. I think she called the family doctor because she wants to avoid an ER trip which is just sad. But no, a sore throat = immediate urgent care visit
I totally agree. I wouldn't care how much it cost or if it MIGHT be unnecessary.. I would take my child to the ER as well then follow up with the dr as soon as possible. Also, don't you need a referral to a specialist? So, something has already happened.



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For those of you who haven't seen the vlog, don't waste your time yet. Seriously, all they did was handstands and read a book. Go watch a family that still values their viewers.
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I went to Ellie's Twitter to see if she's tweeted (she hasn't) but her bio is so weird. Cosmetologist | makeup lover. Isn't that kinda redundant? [img]//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016031 ... 3a41ad.jpg[/img]
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They responded to a comment on today's video asking about Calvin going to a doctor.

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Would they rather respond to comments instead of addressing things in vlogs? Makes no sense to me! Obviously people want more info and you could at least address it in SOME manner.


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I just can't wrap my head around Ellie hauling the whole family to Urgent Care for a sore throat, but not even doing that much when her son stops breathing for the SECOND time. In what world is a sore throat more urgent than not breathing? Let's say this is a money/insurance issue. So they are so strapped for cash that they can't budget for a possibly life-saving doctor's visit for their son, but can swing it when Ellie has a pretty common infection? We're supposed to believe she's so in tune with his needs but doesn't do the bare minimum for him?

Something's not adding up. Either they are just that self-absorbed/clueless/neglectful, or there are extenuating circumstances they aren't telling us


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What kind of advice is that from their doctor! Yes there is something they would do at the ER. They would give him a work up and he'd get a neuro consult THAT DAY not waiting a few days. No one knows for sure what happened and getting seen immediately would get the ball rolling on finding answers. Maybe is was a seizure, maybe it wasn't. They are stupid and their doctor is an ass. I do not know one person who would handle it this way. That a DOCTOR gave that advice is crazy.

And you know darn right well if it was Ellie who had a seizure they would have been in the ER right away. She probably would have dragged everyone with her too. Most parents put their kids before themselves but not these two. It is crazy!
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minmouse wrote:What kind of advice is that from their doctor! Yes there is something they would do at the ER. They would give him a work up and he'd get a neuro consult THAT DAY not waiting a few days. No one knows for sure what happened and getting seen immediately would get the ball rolling on finding answers. Maybe is was a seizure, maybe it wasn't. They are stupid and their doctor is an ass. I do not know one person who would handle it this way. That a DOCTOR gave that advice is crazy.

And you know darn right well if it was Ellie who had a seizure they would have been in the ER right away. She probably would have dragged everyone with her too. Most parents put their kids before themselves but not these two. It is crazy!
At the very least a doctor will order them to go in same day to protect their liability! Geez, if something happens to Calvin before the specialist appointment the doctor has his licence on the line.
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liz749 wrote:

This is a link to a video of Josie Duggar having a seizure from their tv show. It was a febrile seizure but I still imagine the situation with Calvin being really similar in my head. Give it a watch. Even they had the sense to cal 911.

Also, I am so confused about the resuscitation part for both incidents. I'm not convinced his heart actually stopped and he needed chest compressions from their stories. They never clearly communicated exactly what Jared and the nurse did. Maybe some rescue breathes were needed but the way they describe it I don't think he was pulseless and the nurse actually did compressions. I'm imagining them more like stimulating and patting him to get him to come to and breathe. I don't know...they're just so unclear (and uneducated)...the story just seems so fishy.


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This was terrifying to watch and I dont even know or watch the Duggars. There is no way you could watch this happen to your child and then go about the day and retell the story as calmly as Ellie did. Sure she could be in shock but she doesnt seem like it. Tbh she seems uncaring. She may have post partum but we cant assume that. Even in this example of the Duggar girl, the family knew she had medical issues, they knew she'd had them before, and they still called 911. Because thats what a respobsible adult does. And in an infant especially. I honestly do NOT believe them about what the doctor said. Period. They are lying. Even if the lie is just an omission of a known condition. They make themselves look neglectful. NO doctor would say "oh well, if he's fine now there is no point in bringing him in." and if by some chance, the doctor did (time for a new doctor) her "mommy intuition" should have said, somethings not right with my baby and I want you to look at him.
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And lets be real, this is not the first time their parenting has been borderline neglectful. This may be the biggest, possibly life threatening. But even little things. They are not good at watching their kids. They are careless. They are nothing short of lucky that neither child has sustained a serious injury. They are not good parents. Sure they try to make an image of "fun" parents. They are young and it shows (thought youngness is not an excuse, many young parents are wonderful and they aren't that young but they act like highschoolers imo) they don't seem to know how to parent. They might be fun aunt and uncle or babysitter (I wouldn't leave my children in their care).
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I'm sorry I haven't read the whole thread and I don't know how emergency services work in the USA. Wouldn't any competent nurse call an ambulance when a baby stops breathing? Even if the child comes right, there could be still underlying problems. Do they not realize that Calvin is at risk of brain damage, when oxygen isn't getting to his brain. I agree with other's, I don't think they are telling the whole story. Things just aren't adding up.

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