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Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby HelloSweetie » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:32 pm

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gymchick43 wrote:The title is stupid. It’s not that hard to email a company to tell them they won’t review and instead they will donate it. She doesn’t deserve the credit of “toy donations from MY family”...she didn’t pay for them, she just collected them, which is not that difficult.

Also it makes me wonder if Bonnie was actually planning on doing this prior to demonetization? Remember she said she was cancelling all her plans/deals for December but since the demonetization she had to set up some more brand deals and she would be more busy than planned? Idk I don’t completely trust that she isn’t making money off this.

Regardless, she monetized the video and she’s taking credit for the donation (title), the views will give her cash, and she gets the good PR - so besides loosin some of her free time having to email companies and film, what did Bonnie loose here to be considers charity/donating from her family? . She’s actually gaining a lot from this video (more views and money while not having to actually give anything of her own besides time).

Even if she’s upfront in the video it’s still wrong to falsely advertise this as if they are donating it all themselves, she titled that to get the increase views (because like she said mama needs those views)

Wow I just repeated myself like 3 times in 3 different ways sorry, pregnancy/migraine brain right mow


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You can dismiss it as not difficult, but few people make the effort to do so.

I don't think she was planning on keeping multiple Paw Patrol Towers when Boston already has one.


But couldn’t we also say the same for Ellie and Jared coming up with the idea , organizing and getting other people to donate for their IVF giveaway? But instead we are bashing them for self promoting and probably not giving as much money as it seems.

I still enjoy bonnies vlogs more than Ellie’s but I just had my eyes open to little pieces of her personality and it’s hard to go back. It’s like when Ellie started making little remarks here and there and people were still defending them on her board but I was like


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When Bonnie starts asking for pleas and stories from the children in need, then I absolutely will hate on her for what she has done too. She collected toys and, I assume, will be giving them to an organization of some sort to hand out and decide who is most in need.

If E&J collected the donations and dropped a cheque off to the clinic and vlogged it I wouldn't be upset. It's how they go about exploiting others while doing it that I take issue with. Also how they seem to have adopted the IF identity from those people by association, but that is a different issue.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby Nuna » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:01 pm

What Bonnie is doing and what Ellie and Jared are doing are two very different things. I give to charity every year, and do so without having to personally see or get to know those that are benefitting form the food, money, etc that I donate. I don't think Bonnie blatantly lied in the title unless she actually doesn't those toys away. Thats a stretch. Most of those toys were offered up to Bonnie's family, and they are passing them along instead of receiving them. Sure she isn't out the money for them, but her family is technically making the donation. I'm glad she pointed out all the free stuff that they are offered though, because maybe now viewers won't feel as obliged to send toys (or clothes!) to kids like Jackson and Calvin who don't seem to have as many and will realize that it is a parental decision.

Kids are going to benefit and have a happy Christmas. I believe that was Bonnie's motivation in doing this, and I don't see anything to hate on with that. She's right, her kids are very fortunate, and if she raises them knowing that then maybe they won't grow into entitled little YT brats like Bratayley.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby natalka81 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:19 pm

Here I go dragging this out- sorry! Just wanted to say that I think everything about Bonnie's vlog was fine (actually pretty nice) except for the title. That kind of put me off a bit. Otherwise, I'm glad they did what they did. I don't have any idea what Jared/other families have done in the past so I can't comment on that, but I do think the IVF grant thing is revolting. I don't think this toy donation is anything like that.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby Kataja » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:08 pm

I don't really care if Bonnie is also benefitting herself financially while doing a donation. At least some less fortunate kids will have a pleasant surprise during Christmas.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby staceybrax » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:24 pm

At the end of the day, I think Bonnie had good intentions with the donation and little kids who wouldn’t be getting much for Christmas will now get to have a good Christmas with nice toys (and some parents will feel less pressure and guilt about not being able to afford a lot for Christmas for their kids) and Bonnie’s kids are learning a good lesson about giving and helping those less fortunate.


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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby snkjdgs » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:43 pm

Do they get paid for posting on Instagram or Twitter?
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby BadWolf » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:27 pm

snkjdgs wrote:Do they get paid for posting on Instagram or Twitter?


When it's an ad or product placement. It's supposed to be made clear in the description. You'll often see #ad.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby Tiger27 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:36 pm

Don't know if this has already been discussed so sorry if it's a repeat

But Carl from Carl and Jinger tweeted out this link and it's pretty eye opening to the new youtube family video requirements. These families are about to be struggling big time to create ad-worthy content! It makes me kind of sad that some channels are going to have to totally censor themselves to appeal to children and us adults are going to lose out on quality content aimed at us. But youtubers will always follow the money.

https://www.youtube.com/yt/family/

I'm on desktop so I don't know how to post pictures but "Worksheet B" lays out some pretty clear "don'ts" and they are quite extensive. Maybe someone could post a screenshot for those interested.

Here's another "don't list" from it.
Do not ask kids to:
Check out shows that may not be age-appropriate.
Share personal information.
Keep secrets from parents.
Visit social media.
Share personal information.
Communicate with strangers.
Buy things.

....Don't ask kids to buy things?! Woah...if people are demonetized for that some of these youtubers are in for it! DB makes a living asking minions to buy their crap.


It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby lovingthisforum » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:14 pm

Now that I've watched the donating vlog I have to say I think it's pretty mean how Bonnie sets up her children for disappointment and feeling hurt. A proper way would have been to just deliver the boxes, and not let her children see what's inside. Maybe to wait after school so the children can go with, which is exciting. But Bonnie does the total opposite. She exhibits all the presents in the living room, waits until the kids come home (she could have delivered the presents while the children were at school), knowingly waits for their excitement to show up on their faces, only to let them know they can not have it. She causes a false emotion of happiness, only to disappoint them. This kind of set-up is how the mechanism of sadism works.

You could see the hesitation on Olivia's face. She was excited, and then not, perhaps because she anticipated they were probably not going to get the presents. Then she showed excitement again, perhaps because she thought it would be ungrateful to not show excitement in case they would get the presents. Then she had a serious face again, etc. Sad she had to feel so insecure and not be able to react spontaneously and truthful, not sure what to expect, because who knows what game her mother was playing.

Also, Bonnie is not the one donating, but her children are. They have to sacrifice. Bonnie has to sacrifice nothing. She is causing a situation where she can ask her kids to sacrifice...for other kids. Even if you want to teach your children to share and be altruistic, this is not the way.

And she could & should have given one Lego to Cody. One present for each child, they were 100% free to chose.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby HelloSweetie » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:35 pm

lovingthisforum wrote:Now that I've watched the donating vlog I have to say I think it's pretty mean how Bonnie sets up her children for disappointment and feeling hurt. A proper way would have been to just deliver the boxes, and not let her children see what's inside. Maybe to wait after school so the children can go with, which is exciting. But Bonnie does the total opposite. She exhibits all the presents in the living room, waits until the kids come home (she could have delivered the presents while the children were at school), knowingly waits for their excitement to show up on their faces, only to let them know they can not have it. She causes a false emotion of happiness, only to disappoint them. This kind of set-up is how the mechanism of sadism works.

You could see the hesitation on Olivia's face. She was excited, and then not, perhaps because she anticipated they were probably not going to get the presents. Then she showed excitement again, perhaps because she thought it would be ungrateful to not show excitement in case they would get the presents. Then she had a serious face again, etc. Sad she had to feel so insecure and not be able to react spontaneously and truthful, not sure what to expect, because who knows what game her mother was playing.

Also, Bonnie is not the one donating, but her children are. They have to sacrifice. Bonnie has to sacrifice nothing. She is causing a situation where she can ask her kids to sacrifice...for other kids. Even if you want to teach your children to share and be altruistic, this is not the way.

And she could & should have given one Lego to Cody. One present for each child, they were 100% free to chose.


She shouldn't have given the toys to the kids if that's now what they were intended for. If she arranged for Lego to send those to be used in a donation video, then it would have been inappropriate to give them to the kids.

Cody will get Lego in 10 days at Christmas. Just wait and see . My son's school asks that the kids go out and or Chase gifts for those in need. Toy can tell kids that it's good to be charitable and giving, but sometimes it goes a lot farther to actually have them see it.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby BadWolf » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:43 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
lovingthisforum wrote:Now that I've watched the donating vlog I have to say I think it's pretty mean how Bonnie sets up her children for disappointment and feeling hurt. A proper way would have been to just deliver the boxes, and not let her children see what's inside. Maybe to wait after school so the children can go with, which is exciting. But Bonnie does the total opposite. She exhibits all the presents in the living room, waits until the kids come home (she could have delivered the presents while the children were at school), knowingly waits for their excitement to show up on their faces, only to let them know they can not have it. She causes a false emotion of happiness, only to disappoint them. This kind of set-up is how the mechanism of sadism works.

You could see the hesitation on Olivia's face. She was excited, and then not, perhaps because she anticipated they were probably not going to get the presents. Then she showed excitement again, perhaps because she thought it would be ungrateful to not show excitement in case they would get the presents. Then she had a serious face again, etc. Sad she had to feel so insecure and not be able to react spontaneously and truthful, not sure what to expect, because who knows what game her mother was playing.

Also, Bonnie is not the one donating, but her children are. They have to sacrifice. Bonnie has to sacrifice nothing. She is causing a situation where she can ask her kids to sacrifice...for other kids. Even if you want to teach your children to share and be altruistic, this is not the way.

And she could & should have given one Lego to Cody. One present for each child, they were 100% free to chose.


She shouldn't have given the toys to the kids if that's now what they were intended for. If she arranged for Lego to send those to be used in a donation video, then it would have been inappropriate to give them to the kids.

Cody will get Lego in 10 days at Christmas. Just wait and see . My son's school asks that the kids go out and or Chase gifts for those in need. Toy can tell kids that it's good to be charitable and giving, but sometimes it goes a lot farther to actually have them see it.


Lol. That reminded me of the episode of How I Met Your Mother where the volunteers are going through the food boxes and picking out all the good stuff. The kids saw the toys and were free to ask for them for Christmas if they really wanted them. They are by no means hard done by. I don't think there is anything wrong with their seeing the toys that are going to kids that are less fortunate. Cody had a harder time with it than I expected him to based off what we've seen from him in prior vlogs, but I kinda think that means this was something he needed to experience then.

There are too many spoiled YT kids out there that actually won't experience the excitement of Christmas because they never have to wait for anything. I'm glad to see a YTer at least trying to avoid that with their own children.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby staceybrax » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:08 pm

lovingthisforum wrote:Now that I've watched the donating vlog I have to say I think it's pretty mean how Bonnie sets up her children for disappointment and feeling hurt. A proper way would have been to just deliver the boxes, and not let her children see what's inside. Maybe to wait after school so the children can go with, which is exciting. But Bonnie does the total opposite. She exhibits all the presents in the living room, waits until the kids come home (she could have delivered the presents while the children were at school), knowingly waits for their excitement to show up on their faces, only to let them know they can not have it. She causes a false emotion of happiness, only to disappoint them. This kind of set-up is how the mechanism of sadism works.

You could see the hesitation on Olivia's face. She was excited, and then not, perhaps because she anticipated they were probably not going to get the presents. Then she showed excitement again, perhaps because she thought it would be ungrateful to not show excitement in case they would get the presents. Then she had a serious face again, etc. Sad she had to feel so insecure and not be able to react spontaneously and truthful, not sure what to expect, because who knows what game her mother was playing.

Also, Bonnie is not the one donating, but her children are. They have to sacrifice. Bonnie has to sacrifice nothing. She is causing a situation where she can ask her kids to sacrifice...for other kids. Even if you want to teach your children to share and be altruistic, this is not the way.

And she could & should have given one Lego to Cody. One present for each child, they were 100% free to chose.


I disagree, she was trying to teach them about giving to those less fortunate. If she just went and donated them while the kids are at school then they won’t learn anything. It’s good for children to learn about how some people are less fortunate and that we should give where we can to help others out. Cody is 6, he would have seen the toys and just wanted them. But he will learn how good it feels to help others out over time. And I’m sure Cody will get plenty of LEGO on Christmas Day and the LEGO sets he wanted in the donation pile will be long forgotten about.


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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby Caisflame » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:21 pm

I don't think there was any reason for her to hide the toys. Boston and Olivia both handled it very well, and Cody did meh, but it was a great learning experience for them all. I really don't think teaching them the importance of giving is setting them up for disappointment.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby GymChick » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:27 pm

Tiger27 wrote:Don't know if this has already been discussed so sorry if it's a repeat

But Carl from Carl and Jinger tweeted out this link and it's pretty eye opening to the new youtube family video requirements. These families are about to be struggling big time to create ad-worthy content! It makes me kind of sad that some channels are going to have to totally censor themselves to appeal to children and us adults are going to lose out on quality content aimed at us. But youtubers will always follow the money.

https://www.youtube.com/yt/family/

I'm on desktop so I don't know how to post pictures but "Worksheet B" lays out some pretty clear "don'ts" and they are quite extensive. Maybe someone could post a screenshot for those interested.

Here's another "don't list" from it.
Do not ask kids to:
Check out shows that may not be age-appropriate.
Share personal information.
Keep secrets from parents.
Visit social media.
Share personal information.
Communicate with strangers.
Buy things.

....Don't ask kids to buy things?! Woah...if people are demonetized for that some of these youtubers are in for it! DB makes a living asking minions to buy their crap.


It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.


Is there anyways family vloggers can opt out of being apart of “YouTube kids?” Do they have a choice on their target audience? Like what if Bonnie had told YouTube that she wasn’t creating content for kids? I think family vloggers being on YouTube kids is just dumb to begin with. But I agree 100% with the rules that prevent the child exploitation/click bait- I actually wish those were more strict


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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby HelloSweetie » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:10 pm

gymchick43 wrote:
Tiger27 wrote:Don't know if this has already been discussed so sorry if it's a repeat

But Carl from Carl and Jinger tweeted out this link and it's pretty eye opening to the new youtube family video requirements. These families are about to be struggling big time to create ad-worthy content! It makes me kind of sad that some channels are going to have to totally censor themselves to appeal to children and us adults are going to lose out on quality content aimed at us. But youtubers will always follow the money.

https://www.youtube.com/yt/family/

I'm on desktop so I don't know how to post pictures but "Worksheet B" lays out some pretty clear "don'ts" and they are quite extensive. Maybe someone could post a screenshot for those interested.

Here's another "don't list" from it.
Do not ask kids to:
Check out shows that may not be age-appropriate.
Share personal information.
Keep secrets from parents.
Visit social media.
Share personal information.
Communicate with strangers.
Buy things.

....Don't ask kids to buy things?! Woah...if people are demonetized for that some of these youtubers are in for it! DB makes a living asking minions to buy their crap.


It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.


Is there anyways family vloggers can opt out of being apart of “YouTube kids?” Do they have a choice on their target audience? Like what if Bonnie had told YouTube that she wasn’t creating content for kids? I think family vloggers being on YouTube kids is just dumb to begin with. But I agree 100% with the rules that prevent the child exploitation/click bait- I actually wish those were more strict


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I think she could start taking the same steps that Theirmom said she is starting to do with her channel (a few pages back). I don't think this can happen overnight though, so it probably made sense to get the monetization back if possible. Strangely, I never consider Bonnie's channel to be one of the kid focused ones, but obviously she herself does.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby lmmomSD » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:32 pm

Tiger27 wrote:Don't know if this has already been discussed so sorry if it's a repeat

But Carl from Carl and Jinger tweeted out this link and it's pretty eye opening to the new youtube family video requirements. These families are about to be struggling big time to create ad-worthy content! It makes me kind of sad that some channels are going to have to totally censor themselves to appeal to children and us adults are going to lose out on quality content aimed at us. But youtubers will always follow the money.

https://www.youtube.com/yt/family/

I'm on desktop so I don't know how to post pictures but "Worksheet B" lays out some pretty clear "don'ts" and they are quite extensive. Maybe someone could post a screenshot for those interested.

Here's another "don't list" from it.
Do not ask kids to:
Check out shows that may not be age-appropriate.
Share personal information.
Keep secrets from parents.
Visit social media.
Share personal information.
Communicate with strangers.
Buy things.

....Don't ask kids to buy things?! Woah...if people are demonetized for that some of these youtubers are in for it! DB makes a living asking minions to buy their crap.


It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
Oh, Bryan is going to be crapping his pants. He asks people to buy things all the time! "Buy my album! Buy our merch!"
So this is going to get good.

I hope it's the beginning of the end.

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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby chipmunks » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:26 am

HelloSweetie wrote:
gymchick43 wrote:
Tiger27 wrote:Don't know if this has already been discussed so sorry if it's a repeat

But Carl from Carl and Jinger tweeted out this link and it's pretty eye opening to the new youtube family video requirements. These families are about to be struggling big time to create ad-worthy content! It makes me kind of sad that some channels are going to have to totally censor themselves to appeal to children and us adults are going to lose out on quality content aimed at us. But youtubers will always follow the money.

https://www.youtube.com/yt/family/

I'm on desktop so I don't know how to post pictures but "Worksheet B" lays out some pretty clear "don'ts" and they are quite extensive. Maybe someone could post a screenshot for those interested.

Here's another "don't list" from it.
Do not ask kids to:
Check out shows that may not be age-appropriate.
Share personal information.
Keep secrets from parents.
Visit social media.
Share personal information.
Communicate with strangers.
Buy things.

....Don't ask kids to buy things?! Woah...if people are demonetized for that some of these youtubers are in for it! DB makes a living asking minions to buy their crap.


It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.


Is there anyways family vloggers can opt out of being apart of “YouTube kids?” Do they have a choice on their target audience? Like what if Bonnie had told YouTube that she wasn’t creating content for kids? I think family vloggers being on YouTube kids is just dumb to begin with. But I agree 100% with the rules that prevent the child exploitation/click bait- I actually wish those were more strict


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I think she could start taking the same steps that Theirmom said she is starting to do with her channel (a few pages back). I don't think this can happen overnight though, so it probably made sense to get the monetization back if possible. Strangely, I never consider Bonnie's channel to be one of the kid focused ones, but obviously she herself does.


i think she probably gets/sees a lot of comments from kids coming via e&j, and maybe assumes that’s a large portion of her audience then?
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby RecklessDisregard » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:12 pm

The donation video didn't bother me. That's not to say I don't think it could have been handled better. There are basically unlimited options for a better title. And personally I would not have set the toys up for an after-school reveal, but I would have involved the children in the donation in a meaningful way. But like Bonnie, I would not have given Cody the Lego set, with Christmas right around the corner. I really believe that the joy of giving is important, and while Cody didn't enjoy it in that moment, he will learn over time (but only if it is consistently taught and modeled).

Christmas morning, when he finally gets the Lego toy, would be a good time to follow up on the lesson, though admittedly there could be a logic issue if the toy is a "Santa" gift (well Santa brought me one, why can't he give the poor kids one too?). So maybe Bonnie and Joel should give that as a gift froom themselves.

But over all, I don't find this to be similar to the Pain Olympics or even E+J so selflessly donating the K-Mart toys.
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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby actuallydear » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:16 am

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Re: Bonnie and Joel: Pack-Cacking it | Part 13

Postby Aurielle » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:53 pm

People complaining about this toy donation thing but if you look at what was there , it was duplicates of multiple toys and i really doubt they would send bonnie mulptiple things? Looks like 2 paw patrol tower things but why would they send 2? Boston and Lincoln would share they would send 1 for each even with julie they sent 1. Also think about this , if lego donated 1 $5 box everybody would be like oh lego is cheap but sending multiple things its like ohhh thats nice of them i should buy. Speaking of Lego i saw no DUPLO and if they were sent for the family they would've sent Lincoln duplo and boston junior sets
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