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Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby Kryptonite » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:28 pm

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As I am sure you have noticed, comparing Bonnie and Ellie has once again become an issue. I allowed everyone to begin comparing again because everyone seemed to be respectful and understanding of others' opinions and everyone agreed that they could handle it. Unfortunately this it is clear to me that this is no longer an option.

First, you are all welcome to express your opinions. You can support one sister, dislike the other, or support them/dislike them both. The issue is with the small amount of people who are unable to post without ending their post with snide, snarky remarks or calling out other users. You do not have to respond to every poster that shares an opinion that you disagree with.

From now on I would appreciate it if there were no more comparisons. This seemed to work before so I suggest that we all revisit this.

I understand that they will be discussed when they are in the same video and I have no issue with that. I am mostly talking about the fictional scenarios that are created by people who dislike one or the other.

Examples:
If Jared left, Ellie would have x....
Bonnie should have done x like Ellie would have.


You all know that this causes a debate and then that debate carries on for pages. I initially had zero issue with you all stating why you preferred one sister over the other but that does not work anymore because some of you cannot share your opinions without telling someone else why theirs is wrong - which is against the rules - or making remarks that you know are either towards other users or will rile other users up. I do not want to censor ANYONE but I feel like that is what needs to be done in the main E&J/Bonnie threads.

I have been nice. I have attempted to speak to people privately. I have issued unofficial warnings. I have posted publicly to EVERYONE. None of this is working so this is my solution.

Second, please remember that we are all here to discuss YouTubers and their videos, not other users. If you disagree with their opinion, as long as they are within the site guidelines, scroll. You are still welcome to share your opinion but there is no need to respond JUST to disagree with someone! Say something interesting! Contribute!

It is not completely against the rules to talk about both sisters so I am leaving you the option to create a separate thread discussing the differences between them. If this thread is created, those of you who post in that discussion post at your own risk.

I no longer want to see these debates on the main threads. If they continue to carry on, I will begin warning and closing the threads - and you do not want that to happen because I do not want to do it and the other users who are posting as they are supposed to will be extremely unhappy.

TL;DR: Please stop comparing Ellie and Bonnie because no one has the time to mediate these ridiculously long debates.

If you have any questions, comments, concerns, etc. I would be more than happy to respond to them in this thread or a private message.

I hope you all are having a lovely day/evening! :)

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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby sarah » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:39 pm

If this is in response to HelloSweetie, she comments on both Ellie and Bonnie's individual threads so much that she's infiltrated what used to be a good site. I no longer have fun on here because every other comment from her is in major support of Bonnie (and then putting multiple comments on others about why Bonnie is right---It is a gossip forum, not everyone will like Bonnie!) or complete dislike of Ellie and Jared. I've seen her interactions/fights with others on here and I've been quiet. Every time I was on here I would scroll past her comments. It becomes hard to do when someone posts after nearly every person!!

For these reasons, I'm done being a member on here.
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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby Kryptonite » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:45 pm

sarah wrote:If this is in response to HelloSweetie, she comments on both Ellie and Bonnie's individual threads so much that she's infiltrated what used to be a good site. I no longer have fun on here because every other comment from her is in major support of Bonnie (and then putting multiple comments on others about why Bonnie is right---It is a gossip forum, not everyone will like Bonnie!) or complete dislike of Ellie and Jared. I've seen her interactions/fights with others on here and I've been quiet. Every time I was on here I would scroll past her comments. It becomes hard to do when someone posts after nearly every person!!

For these reasons, I'm done being a member on here.


It is not in response to anyone in particular. It is a response to EVERYONE. I am over the back and forth "it's x's fault!" It is no one person's fault.

I have seen people do the opposite of what you're talking about and dislike Bonnie and support E&J. This is why I did not call out one person. If I banned or warned for one side, I would have to ban and warn for the other side and a lot of people would be gone.

Many have been reprimanded for their behavior on the aforementioned threads, including HelloSweetie (which I know she'll admit).

If you dislike her, please start a Boxing Ring thread or PM her. This is not the place
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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby sarah » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:52 pm

No need for the Boxing Ring. What used to be a fun forum is no longer one. I won't be a member anymore, which is too bad, because I did like it here.
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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby alym0326 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:52 pm

My only issue with this Bonnie vs Ellie thing is that it only seems to become a problem for most when people start comparing Bonnie and putting HER in a negative light. There have been SO many comments about Ellie and how Bonnie would do it differently and blah blah blah. But just now when there are people being negative towards Bonnie and comparing Bonnie in a negative light, that's when people start having a problem with the comparing. It just feels quite... hypocritical? to allow the negative comparisons towards Ellie to go on for so long then after 1 day of Bonnie comparisons that are negative... we're no longer allowed to compare. I'm fine with not comparing the two because they're two different people, but a little irritated that it seems to only be an issue when Bonnie's getting negative comparisons.
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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby Kryptonite » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:54 pm

alym0326 wrote:My only issue with this Bonnie vs Ellie thing is that it only seems to become a problem for most when people start comparing Bonnie and putting HER in a negative light. There have been SO many comments about Ellie and how Bonnie would do it differently and blah blah blah. But just now when there are people being negative towards Bonnie and comparing Bonnie in a negative light, that's when people start having a problem with the comparing. It just feels quite... hypocritical? to allow the negative comparisons towards Ellie to go on for so long then after 1 day of Bonnie comparisons that are negative... we're no longer allowed to compare. I'm fine with not comparing the two because they're two different people, but a little irritated that it seems to only be an issue when Bonnie's getting negative comparisons.


I have been dealing with the opposite privately quite often. I have been mediating between users for about two months now. This is not an "all of a sudden" decision, trust me. :)

ETA: For the record, this decision has nothing to do with my personal views. I like both Bonnie and Ellie... I am simply responding to the multitude of messages I have received daily for a long time now.
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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby usmellllikesnow » Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:47 pm

Kryptonite, you are saying that there are actually people who have messaged you because they are tired of Ellie being compared negatively to Bonnie in the E&J thread or am I misunderstanding? I guess I'm just shocked at this. In fairness, I stopped participating in that thread a month ago because you're not really welcome anymore if you still like Ellie and Jared in the least, so I'm surprised there are people defending Ellie. Maybe if everyone felt comfortable saying what they felt without fear of being called out by a certain poster for a differing opinion, these threads would be more enjoyable? Just a thought, and not really sure how this could be accomplished. I totally admit to being a repeat offender. Right now I am even afraid I'm getting in trouble for saying this, but I assume this is the place to have this discussion? I apologize to posters if I have driven them crazy at one point or another, but it's very hard not to keep your mouth shut when you feel you are being targeted every time you post something negative about Bonnie or something positive about Ellie.

Sarah, I wish you would not leave. Too many people have stopped posting because they feel they can't state their opinion without negative consequences.
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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby Kryptonite » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:03 pm

usmellllikesnow wrote:Kryptonite, you are saying that there are actually people who have messaged you because they are tired of Ellie being compared negatively to Bonnie in the E&J thread or am I misunderstanding? I guess I'm just shocked at this. In fairness, I stopped participating in that thread a month ago because you're not really welcome anymore if you still like Ellie and Jared in the least, so I'm surprised there are people defending Ellie. Maybe if everyone felt comfortable saying what they felt without fear of being called out by a certain poster for a differing opinion, these threads would be more enjoyable? Just a thought, and not really sure how this could be accomplished. I totally admit to being a repeat offender. Right now I am even afraid I'm getting in trouble for saying this, but I assume this is the place to have this discussion? I apologize to posters if I have driven them crazy at one point or another, but it's very hard not to keep your mouth shut when you feel you are being targeted every time you post something negative about Bonnie or something positive about Ellie.

Sarah, I wish you would not leave. Too many people have stopped posting because they feel they can't state their opinion without negative consequences.


A mixture of all of the above. :) I do not disagree with you, but I think the solution now is to not compare Bonnie and Ellie. If people continue to call others out because of differing opinions they we know that those users need to be removed.

It is hard to warn/ban/etc. when multiple people are involved. I hope this makes sense? I am trying to be vague but still answer questions, lol.
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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby alym0326 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:14 pm

usmellllikesnow wrote:Kryptonite, you are saying that there are actually people who have messaged you because they are tired of Ellie being compared negatively to Bonnie in the E&J thread or am I misunderstanding? I guess I'm just shocked at this. In fairness, I stopped participating in that thread a month ago because you're not really welcome anymore if you still like Ellie and Jared in the least, so I'm surprised there are people defending Ellie. Maybe if everyone felt comfortable saying what they felt without fear of being called out by a certain poster for a differing opinion, these threads would be more enjoyable? Just a thought, and not really sure how this could be accomplished. I totally admit to being a repeat offender. Right now I am even afraid I'm getting in trouble for saying this, but I assume this is the place to have this discussion? I apologize to posters if I have driven them crazy at one point or another, but it's very hard not to keep your mouth shut when you feel you are being targeted every time you post something negative about Bonnie or something positive about Ellie.

Sarah, I wish you would not leave. Too many people have stopped posting because they feel they can't state their opinion without negative consequences.


I'm shocked about this too tbh. I feel like most people are in the minority when it comes to liking E+J. I know I feel that way at least. Just the other day when I kind of went on a rant -didn't call anyone out, or say anything offensive to anyone, people went off on me because of my comment seeming like a lecture, it wasn't a lecture it's just getting a little old - Ellie getting blamed for things she isn't apart of. and then I was told people probably feel negatively about my comment because the majority of my comments are me defending Ellie. Well yeah... and if you look at other peoples, the majority are negative towards Ellie. My comments are mainly defending Ellie because that's how I feel, I defend her when I think it's necessary and feel that she's being unfairly criticized. The majority of the time though, I don't post because I don't feel welcome because every time I've posted something positive about Ellie and Jared over the last 4 months i've felt scrutinized about my opinion.

Sorry if I shouldn't be saying all this here, just kind of stating my opinion/personal experience with this thread and how i've felt uncomfortable posting because of the response i have previously received when I say anything defending Ellie.
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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby Kryptonite » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:29 pm

alym0326 wrote:
usmellllikesnow wrote:Kryptonite, you are saying that there are actually people who have messaged you because they are tired of Ellie being compared negatively to Bonnie in the E&J thread or am I misunderstanding? I guess I'm just shocked at this. In fairness, I stopped participating in that thread a month ago because you're not really welcome anymore if you still like Ellie and Jared in the least, so I'm surprised there are people defending Ellie. Maybe if everyone felt comfortable saying what they felt without fear of being called out by a certain poster for a differing opinion, these threads would be more enjoyable? Just a thought, and not really sure how this could be accomplished. I totally admit to being a repeat offender. Right now I am even afraid I'm getting in trouble for saying this, but I assume this is the place to have this discussion? I apologize to posters if I have driven them crazy at one point or another, but it's very hard not to keep your mouth shut when you feel you are being targeted every time you post something negative about Bonnie or something positive about Ellie.

Sarah, I wish you would not leave. Too many people have stopped posting because they feel they can't state their opinion without negative consequences.


I'm shocked about this too tbh. I feel like most people are in the minority when it comes to liking E+J. I know I feel that way at least. Just the other day when I kind of went on a rant -didn't call anyone out, or say anything offensive to anyone, people went off on me because of my comment seeming like a lecture, it wasn't a lecture it's just getting a little old - Ellie getting blamed for things she isn't apart of. and then I was told people probably feel negatively about my comment because the majority of my comments are me defending Ellie. Well yeah... and if you look at other peoples, the majority are negative towards Ellie. My comments are mainly defending Ellie because that's how I feel, I defend her when I think it's necessary and feel that she's being unfairly criticized. The majority of the time though, I don't post because I don't feel welcome because every time I've posted something positive about Ellie and Jared over the last 4 months i've felt scrutinized about my opinion.

Sorry if I shouldn't be saying all this here, just kind of stating my opinion/personal experience with this thread and how i've felt uncomfortable posting because of the response i have previously received when I say anything defending Ellie.


I'd rather you share your opinion here than elsewhere so no apology needed. :)

There is really no reason to be shocked. This post wasn't made against anyone and it has been coming for a long time. I am unable to read every post but I see that both sides are frustrated so I am attempting to combat this issue.

I find that the major issues happen when people compare B&E and then people proceed to complain about others complaining that they are being criticized too much. That is the main conversation on these threads.

As I mentioned above, if someone is attacking you because of your opinion, I can take care of that. If you're responding and attacking them in return, I'd have to ban you all. This has been happening so often and so many people have been involved that if I banned everyone, no one would be left to post. I'm attempting to find another solution so that no one is banned. With that said, I'm done being nice about this.

I apologize for the frankness but I am not understanding the issues with this decision considering that it worked before and everyone was fine.

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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby alym0326 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:33 pm

Kryptonite wrote:
alym0326 wrote:
usmellllikesnow wrote:Kryptonite, you are saying that there are actually people who have messaged you because they are tired of Ellie being compared negatively to Bonnie in the E&J thread or am I misunderstanding? I guess I'm just shocked at this. In fairness, I stopped participating in that thread a month ago because you're not really welcome anymore if you still like Ellie and Jared in the least, so I'm surprised there are people defending Ellie. Maybe if everyone felt comfortable saying what they felt without fear of being called out by a certain poster for a differing opinion, these threads would be more enjoyable? Just a thought, and not really sure how this could be accomplished. I totally admit to being a repeat offender. Right now I am even afraid I'm getting in trouble for saying this, but I assume this is the place to have this discussion? I apologize to posters if I have driven them crazy at one point or another, but it's very hard not to keep your mouth shut when you feel you are being targeted every time you post something negative about Bonnie or something positive about Ellie.

Sarah, I wish you would not leave. Too many people have stopped posting because they feel they can't state their opinion without negative consequences.


I'm shocked about this too tbh. I feel like most people are in the minority when it comes to liking E+J. I know I feel that way at least. Just the other day when I kind of went on a rant -didn't call anyone out, or say anything offensive to anyone, people went off on me because of my comment seeming like a lecture, it wasn't a lecture it's just getting a little old - Ellie getting blamed for things she isn't apart of. and then I was told people probably feel negatively about my comment because the majority of my comments are me defending Ellie. Well yeah... and if you look at other peoples, the majority are negative towards Ellie. My comments are mainly defending Ellie because that's how I feel, I defend her when I think it's necessary and feel that she's being unfairly criticized. The majority of the time though, I don't post because I don't feel welcome because every time I've posted something positive about Ellie and Jared over the last 4 months i've felt scrutinized about my opinion.

Sorry if I shouldn't be saying all this here, just kind of stating my opinion/personal experience with this thread and how i've felt uncomfortable posting because of the response i have previously received when I say anything defending Ellie.


I'd rather you share your opinion here than elsewhere so no apology needed. :)

There is really no reason to be shocked. This post wasn't made against anyone and it has been coming for a long time. I am unable to read every post but I see that both sides are frustrated so I am attempting to combat this issue.

I find that the major issues happen when people compare B&E and then people proceed to complain about others complaining that they are being criticized too much. That is the main conversation on these threads.

As I mentioned above, if someone is attacking you because of your opinion, I can take care of that. If you're responding and attacking them in return, I'd have to ban you all. This has been happening so often and so many people have been involved that if I banned everyone, no one would be left to post.

I apologize for the frankness but I am not understanding the issues with this decision considering that it worked before and everyone was fine.

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Oh i have no issue with the decision at all! Everyone that's commented on this so far has been people who are in the minority mainly in terms of how they feel regarding the two sisters. I think we're mainly just speaking out about our frustration regarding now feeling comfortable posting because how it's perceived
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Re: Bonnie Vs Ellie [Please Read]

Postby Kryptonite » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:36 pm

alym0326 wrote:
Kryptonite wrote:
alym0326 wrote:[quote="usmellllikesnow"]Kryptonite, you are saying that there are actually people who have messaged you because they are tired of Ellie being compared negatively to Bonnie in the E&J thread or am I misunderstanding? I guess I'm just shocked at this. In fairness, I stopped participating in that thread a month ago because you're not really welcome anymore if you still like Ellie and Jared in the least, so I'm surprised there are people defending Ellie. Maybe if everyone felt comfortable saying what they felt without fear of being called out by a certain poster for a differing opinion, these threads would be more enjoyable? Just a thought, and not really sure how this could be accomplished. I totally admit to being a repeat offender. Right now I am even afraid I'm getting in trouble for saying this, but I assume this is the place to have this discussion? I apologize to posters if I have driven them crazy at one point or another, but it's very hard not to keep your mouth shut when you feel you are being targeted every time you post something negative about Bonnie or something positive about Ellie.

Sarah, I wish you would not leave. Too many people have stopped posting because they feel they can't state their opinion without negative consequences.


I'm shocked about this too tbh. I feel like most people are in the minority when it comes to liking E+J. I know I feel that way at least. Just the other day when I kind of went on a rant -didn't call anyone out, or say anything offensive to anyone, people went off on me because of my comment seeming like a lecture, it wasn't a lecture it's just getting a little old - Ellie getting blamed for things she isn't apart of. and then I was told people probably feel negatively about my comment because the majority of my comments are me defending Ellie. Well yeah... and if you look at other peoples, the majority are negative towards Ellie. My comments are mainly defending Ellie because that's how I feel, I defend her when I think it's necessary and feel that she's being unfairly criticized. The majority of the time though, I don't post because I don't feel welcome because every time I've posted something positive about Ellie and Jared over the last 4 months i've felt scrutinized about my opinion.

Sorry if I shouldn't be saying all this here, just kind of stating my opinion/personal experience with this thread and how i've felt uncomfortable posting because of the response i have previously received when I say anything defending Ellie.


I'd rather you share your opinion here than elsewhere so no apology needed. :)

There is really no reason to be shocked. This post wasn't made against anyone and it has been coming for a long time. I am unable to read every post but I see that both sides are frustrated so I am attempting to combat this issue.

I find that the major issues happen when people compare B&E and then people proceed to complain about others complaining that they are being criticized too much. That is the main conversation on these threads.

As I mentioned above, if someone is attacking you because of your opinion, I can take care of that. If you're responding and attacking them in return, I'd have to ban you all. This has been happening so often and so many people have been involved that if I banned everyone, no one would be left to post.

I apologize for the frankness but I am not understanding the issues with this decision considering that it worked before and everyone was fine.

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Oh i have no issue with the decision at all! Everyone that's commented on this so far has been people who are in the minority mainly in terms of how they feel regarding the two sisters. I think we're mainly just speaking out about our frustration regarding now feeling comfortable posting because how it's perceived[/quote]
Gotcha.

Honestly, I'm trying to prevent both the minority and the majority from feeling this way... I've run out of solutions so this is sort of my last resort before banning and warning happens. :)

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