Gardner Quad Squad A Miracle Freeloading (Part 13)

[becca85]

I think, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the biggest problem isn't so much the basement playroom, but that they seem to think that they can just throw the girls down there and then do whatever they want to, upstairs, without interacting. And of course, that it's not finished, but Ashley has carpeting in her "office" because she hates having cold feet. If it was finished, and we had any inkling that they were going to be downstairs with the girls, that would be different. What you're talking about-- the parents doing work in the basement while the girls have a little play area and)or craft table-- probably won't happen.
Edit: forgot to quote! I was responding to becca85, although you all probably figured it out.

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I agree with you there. The girls are way too young to be put down there alone. Especially with it unfinished. I think most of us in their current situation would prop those doors to her office open and let that be a playroom for the time being. Her office would be better suited upstairs or in the basement where the girls can’t get into her things anyway.

Does she even need an office to sell Lipsense? Doesn’t Amanda do most of that? After being lied to & taken advantage of by 2 distributors I can honestly say that company is a scam. I will never order from them again.


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[DoodleBop]

Louise - SprinkleofGlitter she doesn't film her daughter too much but she did show them packing up gallon zip top bags filled with socks, winter hats, snacks, soup etc for the homeless. She's done this before. Think of all the things this family could donate if they had a mind to. It seems like they only help out when they're called out for it and even then it's as little as they can get away with. Or that one time they filmed homeless people without their prior consent and made it out like being filmed was the price of getting food. They're so gross.

I dread to think of the girls getting into the furnace or water heater left alone in the basement.

[procraftinating]

3.) Why aren’t the girls being taught any rules or manners? “No, we don’t climb on our high chair seats. Next time you do it you will have to go to time out or get strapped in.” Then be consistent and follow through if they do it again. It’s not hard!

I think they are just too lazy to correct them on any kind of regular or one on one basis. It's so terrible, especially considering they are both essentially stay at home/work at home parents with flexible schedules. But if they don't improve their parenting soon, it's going to get worse and so much harder to correct. So often they do nothing when their girls are rude or they just stand there with a camera laughing. Literally every time one of the girls does that super rude shouty/whiny "I need blah blah" thing.. every single time they need to consistently correct that rudeness. In a gentle but also firm tone the child should be told, "ask nicely and say please... daddy may I please have cheese." And they are not given the item until they say it nicely with a please. They should not be given what they want when they rudely yell "I need..." in a screechy voice. Or the thing with Scarlett opening the candy in the store before paying. Yeah, she's a kid, kids sometimes do dumb things like that and she may not yet understand the concept of waiting until you pay. It's the parents who are to blame. The second that bag of candy had been opened it should have been taken from her, and she should have been corrected/explained, gently yet firm. Instead they stood there with a camera filming her holding the open bag of candy, letting her hold it. Such awful parenting.

[LizziE126]

Tyler did absolutely nothing to help the bunnies other than video it, his brother did all the work from picking up the bunny putting it in a box they getting the dead one out of the window well. So if anyone should get credit it should be Joey !

**Well Shizz why would he help?

1) He has to Vlog, ya'll.. he does have a living to make. All those lovelies he has to keep swooning over that gross ass, disgusting (I'm sure smells like A$$) beard! Or whatever the F&*k you call that atrocity on his face. And don't forget the holy Christmas OVERLY priced Minky miracle.
2) OMG He's not capable of doing something (dare we say) manly? FFS the man is all about Bed Bath and Beyond and hand lotion, yet cant'/won't/just doesn't perform normal hygiene/routine.
3) Help the bunnies whilest there is a "VIRAL MOMENT" to be captured? Like Lazzy? Again.. the copying is overboard. I don't LOVE the Bingham's but they don't make me retch like Crapley & Tyler do.

Again WORMHOLE ladies.. if you find yourself there it's disturbing, The girls have made little to no progress over the last year. Very sad to see. And if you go back to the Bingham's Christmas Vlog from last year there is an obnoxious moment where Brandon YELLS/SINGS out some x-mas song (hmmm; harken back to that craptastic snap or whatever SM shit he (TYASS/Shitbeard/TWOTONTyson, etc) posted recently-UGH) and all I could think again was.. COPYING MF'S... sorry

[SnarkyJ]

I think, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the biggest problem isn't so much the basement playroom, but that they seem to think that they can just throw the girls down there and then do whatever they want to, upstairs, without interacting. And of course, that it's not finished, but Ashley has carpeting in her "office" because she hates having cold feet. If it was finished, and we had any inkling that they were going to be downstairs with the girls, that would be different. What you're talking about-- the parents doing work in the basement while the girls have a little play area and)or craft table-- probably won't happen.
Edit: forgot to quote! I was responding to becca85, although you all probably figured it out.

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Yes I totally agree with you. If they had a finished basement and we knew they'd be down there no big deal. But why build a home to fit your family and neglect to put in a playroom right away. I just don't get why the damn piano gets a room before the girls do.

[Sneaky_snarky]

I’m still shocked they didn’t wear the KAD dance outfit.... oh wait. No I’m not.

I do feel like the girls spoke a bit more while in the store and I also think two poke and queen ash spent a tad more time being quiet and letting the girls talk. A tad.

That’s my positive for the day lol.


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They didn’t wear them becuase they are spaghetti straps and they are kids so that is immodest


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They wear spaghetti straps all the time in the summer. And open backed shirts. So... I don’t buy that excuse.


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[AthenaA]

Welcome becca. I am one of the milder snarkers here but there is so much wrong with these guys it is easy.

Does anyone else think the only reason they wore different colours at dance is becathe dance teacher asked them to

[AthenaA]

And the basement-they went on and on about all the windows they added to have light for vlogging but the girls who are supposed to be the reason they vlog will spend the majority of the time in the basement.

Plus it's not finished and should have been a priority. They seriously didn't consider their children when they chose a house plan. It's unfathomable to me.

[AthenaA]

I think, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the biggest problem isn't so much the basement playroom, but that they seem to think that they can just throw the girls down there and then do whatever they want to, upstairs, without interacting. And of course, that it's not finished, but Ashley has carpeting in her "office" because she hates having cold feet. If it was finished, and we had any inkling that they were going to be downstairs with the girls, that would be different. What you're talking about-- the parents doing work in the basement while the girls have a little play area and)or craft table-- probably won't happen.
Edit: forgot to quote! I was responding to becca85, although you all probably figured it out.

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I agree with you there. The girls are way too young to be put down there alone. Especially with it unfinished. I think most of us in their current situation would prop those doors to her office open and let that be a playroom for the time being. Her office would be better suited upstairs or in the basement where the girls can’t get into her things anyway.

Does she even need an office to sell Lipsense? Doesn’t Amanda do most of that? After being lied to & taken advantage of by 2 distributors I can honestly say that company is a scam. I will never order from them again.


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Do tell.

[Jane]

More thoughts on the rabbits:

Tyson finds two fluffy white rabbits with black spots in the window well of the basement at his old rental house. One passed away (very sad) and he videos the dead animal repeatedly, narrating that it smelled really badly. There was no warning before he focuses his camera on the deceased bunny. There are a lot of kids that watch their vlog. Mine used to.

Tyson immediately makes the assumption that the two white fluffy rabbits must have hopped out of the woods and somehow managed to fall into the window well in unison? So were the rabbits wild or domesticated? I just did a quick search on "identifying wild rabbits in Utah" and sure enough, all the native, wild "hares" I could find have short, brown hair. Other sissies commented above that it’s unlikely that these were wild rabbits. The alive rabbit was so friendly. These rabbits were probably pets belonging to someone in the neighborhood.

So, does Tyson go knock on a few neighbor's doors to see if their rabbits got loose? Go to the Human Society (where they do take bunnies) so the remaining rabbit can be checked out and owner can call around and find the rabbit? Make flyers and post them? Nooooooo... He drives the bunny further from home and puts it out alone to fend for itself. We all know what happens when a domesticated animal is put back in nature. Poor little helpless bunny. He videos the whole thing and even uses the "rescue" in the title as click bait. Hope it wasn't his one of the neighbor's pets. Can you imagine seeing that video if those were your pets?

I do not understand these people’s way of thinking...

Very good point on a neighbor watching this video and seeing one of their bunnies dead and the other one tossed out into the wild. How horrible. The least he could have done is knock on a few doors, so many people live right there! Uggh.

Exactly. He couldn’t think of that because he was too excited about possibly going viral like the Binghams did when they saved Lazarus.

It made me upset to see how excited he was over finding them. He tried to act like he was concerned and upset over the dead one but you can just tell he was really excited.


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Welcome Becca! We often hace different angles and positions, but we share a common "something's really off here" feeling about the Gardners. Glad you shared yours.

I think you're "spot on" about the bunnies. Seems like it's all about going viral - how sad is that?

[becca85]

I think, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the biggest problem isn't so much the basement playroom, but that they seem to think that they can just throw the girls down there and then do whatever they want to, upstairs, without interacting. And of course, that it's not finished, but Ashley has carpeting in her "office" because she hates having cold feet. If it was finished, and we had any inkling that they were going to be downstairs with the girls, that would be different. What you're talking about-- the parents doing work in the basement while the girls have a little play area and)or craft table-- probably won't happen.
Edit: forgot to quote! I was responding to becca85, although you all probably figured it out.

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I agree with you there. The girls are way too young to be put down there alone. Especially with it unfinished. I think most of us in their current situation would prop those doors to her office open and let that be a playroom for the time being. Her office would be better suited upstairs or in the basement where the girls can’t get into her things anyway.

Does she even need an office to sell Lipsense? Doesn’t Amanda do most of that? After being lied to & taken advantage of by 2 distributors I can honestly say that company is a scam. I will never order from them again.


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Do tell.

A girl that I know does the application videos in her Senegence group. She was going on about how if you are going to buy a lot of the products you’re better off signing up as a distributor to get the discount. She said that’s what she did originally and it doesn’t make sense to not be a distributor when you’ll save so much money. So I was going to sign up. I asked her about it, how much the fee is, if there’s a minimum purchase required to keep your status, etc. Told her I had absolutely no interest in selling, I just wanted to buy discounted product for personal use. She avoided my questions with a response of “It’s only a $55 fee and then you’ll save 20-50% off of your order! It makes no sense not to become a distributor when you can save that much! Here’s my distributor ID, be sure to put it in when you register!”

Then I had another girl message me that I had to sign up under her instead. She also failed to tell me the real deal with the distributor status.

A part of me felt like something was off. If it was that easy how would the company survive if everyone signed up and got the discount? There would be no point in not being a distributor to save that much. So I Googled it... the fee is annual not one time only, you have to have a minimum purchase of $200 worth of product I think every 6 months (it’s been a while so this # may be a little off), and that big discount? Yeah, I can save 50% if I place an order of at least $600!

So why would they push someone like me to waste my money on that? Why is that option even being marketed to people who don’t want to sell? Oh- it’s because, “Building your down line is where the money is at. Few people make decent money by actually selling the products.” Exact quote from a friend who is a distributor.


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[Beauregard1]

I wonder if the two parents have special needs that haven't been diagnosed yet. They are both so stupid and ignorant. It's just not normal.

[lmmomSD]

I agree with you there. The girls are way too young to be put down there alone. Especially with it unfinished. I think most of us in their current situation would prop those doors to her office open and let that be a playroom for the time being. Her office would be better suited upstairs or in the basement where the girls can’t get into her things anyway.

Does she even need an office to sell Lipsense? Doesn’t Amanda do most of that? After being lied to & taken advantage of by 2 distributors I can honestly say that company is a scam. I will never order from them again.


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Do tell.

A girl that I know does the application videos in her Senegence group. She was going on about how if you are going to buy a lot of the products you’re better off signing up as a distributor to get the discount. She said that’s what she did originally and it doesn’t make sense to not be a distributor when you’ll save so much money. So I was going to sign up. I asked her about it, how much the fee is, if there’s a minimum purchase required to keep your status, etc. Told her I had absolutely no interest in selling, I just wanted to buy discounted product for personal use. She avoided my questions with a response of “It’s only a $55 fee and then you’ll save 20-50% off of your order! It makes no sense not to become a distributor when you can save that much! Here’s my distributor ID, be sure to put it in when you register!”

Then I had another girl message me that I had to sign up under her instead. She also failed to tell me the real deal with the distributor status.

A part of me felt like something was off. If it was that easy how would the company survive if everyone signed up and got the discount? There would be no point in not being a distributor to save that much. So I Googled it... the fee is annual not one time only, you have to have a minimum purchase of $200 worth of product I think every 6 months (it’s been a while so this # may be a little off), and that big discount? Yeah, I can save 50% if I place an order of at least $600!

So why would they push someone like me to waste my money on that? Why is that option even being marketed to people who don’t want to sell? Oh- it’s because, “Building your down line is where the money is at. Few people make decent money by actually selling the products.” Exact quote from a friend who is a distributor.


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Wow. And the reason why? Because it's a pyramid scheme, and a big fat scam. I really hope you didn't spend your money! Sounds like you researched it enough not to! I just feel bad for all the women who get taken in, thinking they're going to make all this money not working outside the home. Supposedly that's one reason it's so big in Utah-- Mormon women are more likely to be SAHMs, and they jump at the chance to make real money from home. It just makes me so angry to see a few people getting rich off the gullibility and desire for a home business of others. The old adage, "If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is" definitely applies here.


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[CherryBaby]

3.) Why aren’t the girls being taught any rules or manners? “No, we don’t climb on our high chair seats. Next time you do it you will have to go to time out or get strapped in.” Then be consistent and follow through if they do it again. It’s not hard!

I think they are just too lazy to correct them on any kind of regular or one on one basis. It's so terrible, especially considering they are both essentially stay at home/work at home parents with flexible schedules. But if they don't improve their parenting soon, it's going to get worse and so much harder to correct. So often they do nothing when their girls are rude or they just stand there with a camera laughing. Literally every time one of the girls does that super rude shouty/whiny "I need blah blah" thing.. every single time they need to consistently correct that rudeness. In a gentle but also firm tone the child should be told, "ask nicely and say please... daddy may I please have cheese." And they are not given the item until they say it nicely with a please. They should not be given what they want when they rudely yell "I need..." in a screechy voice. Or the thing with Scarlett opening the candy in the store before paying. Yeah, she's a kid, kids sometimes do dumb things like that and she may not yet understand the concept of waiting until you pay. It's the parents who are to blame. The second that bag of candy had been opened it should have been taken from her, and she should have been corrected/explained, gently yet firm. Instead they stood there with a camera filming her holding the open bag of candy, letting her hold it. Such awful parenting.

The girls are old enough to know some right from wrong even if their dumb parents don't correct them. You can notice them, especially Evie, deliberately doing the opposite of what she is supposed to be doing, like when she threw Grandma's pumpkins off the porch or took extra candy from dance class.

Kids like that are just so very unlikable, far more so than kids who just do not know right from wrong. If Perv and Screech think they are doing them any favors by teaching them that they are different and more important than other kids, they are in for a big surprise.

[DoodleBop]

I do not think either of the parents have a disability. They've been raised to believe they always know best and they're always right. They bitch and complain about everything and think they deserve everything. It's entitlement not disability. The only thing the might have is Veruca Salt syndrome although instead of "I want it now!" they say, "Open it! Open it!" or "Don't you love it?!" over and over. They sure could scream, "give it to me, NOW!" before being graded as bad eggs though.

Most adults who are autistic or have some other form of developmental disability do their best to be taken seriously. Generally when you meet stupid people you can tell very quickly they are willfully ignorant. While yeah being disorganized, struggling to maintain a routine can be part and parcel for some people with a developmental delay they've never struck me as such it's more lazy and entitlement.

That and the excess in their house would be too damn stressful if they had any sort of sensory issue. OMG. That house would kill me.

[CherryBaby]

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Wow. And the reason why? Because it's a pyramid scheme, and a big fat scam. I really hope you didn't spend your money! Sounds like you researched it enough not to! I just feel bad for all the women who get taken in, thinking they're going to make all this money not working outside the home. Supposedly that's one reason it's so big in Utah-- Mormon women are more likely to be SAHMs, and they jump at the chance to make real money from home. It just makes me so angry to see a few people getting rich off the gullibility and desire for a home business of others. The old adage, "If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is" definitely applies here.


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I am sure Ass gets a lot of behind the scenes flack from her disgruntled investors, but somehow we are not hearing from too many of them. Maybe since she hasn't been scamming with Lipsit too awfully long yet, the ladies that are getting ripped off are still blaming themselves and sinking more money into because Assley is telling them that they just have to be persistent and all that horseshit. Maybe some are lurking here, who knows. I do know that after a sociopath scams you, you have a tendency to be ashamed, and therefore just keep your mouth shut.

[CherryBaby]

One of us mentioned something about Byson talking about his favorite 'charities' on the live feed (forgive me for not tagging you in this). Someone asked what his favorite charities were and he said there were so many, but couldn't name any actual charities. He said infertility and the NICU. Neither of those are actual charities. Another thing I found interesting was that he said yesterday was world AIDS Day. He said that was a cause that was very near and dear to their hearts. I remember some speculation at one point about how his father actually died. He's said that his dad got really sick and died, but never specified what he got sick from. If I remember correctly, someone even speculated that maybe it was from HIV/AIDS and that's why Byson never explained what happened. Pure conjecture on my part, I've got nothing to back it up. Anyone else have any thoughts on this??


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I know it really doesn't have much to do with snarking about how sickening T&A are now, but I was the one who speculated that his dad died of AIDS. My gut feeling tells me that something like that could account for a lot Byson's inner rage. The theory didn't get much traction on here, but I stand by it, especially after hearing him say that AIDS was a cause near and dear to his heart.

I agree with those of you that thought his whole, "we give to charity" spiel was a load. T&A don't give anything to anybody. They just take, take, take.

[becca85]

Do tell.

A girl that I know does the application videos in her Senegence group. She was going on about how if you are going to buy a lot of the products you’re better off signing up as a distributor to get the discount. She said that’s what she did originally and it doesn’t make sense to not be a distributor when you’ll save so much money. So I was going to sign up. I asked her about it, how much the fee is, if there’s a minimum purchase required to keep your status, etc. Told her I had absolutely no interest in selling, I just wanted to buy discounted product for personal use. She avoided my questions with a response of “It’s only a $55 fee and then you’ll save 20-50% off of your order! It makes no sense not to become a distributor when you can save that much! Here’s my distributor ID, be sure to put it in when you register!”

Then I had another girl message me that I had to sign up under her instead. She also failed to tell me the real deal with the distributor status.

A part of me felt like something was off. If it was that easy how would the company survive if everyone signed up and got the discount? There would be no point in not being a distributor to save that much. So I Googled it... the fee is annual not one time only, you have to have a minimum purchase of $200 worth of product I think every 6 months (it’s been a while so this # may be a little off), and that big discount? Yeah, I can save 50% if I place an order of at least $600!

So why would they push someone like me to waste my money on that? Why is that option even being marketed to people who don’t want to sell? Oh- it’s because, “Building your down line is where the money is at. Few people make decent money by actually selling the products.” Exact quote from a friend who is a distributor.


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Wow. And the reason why? Because it's a pyramid scheme, and a big fat scam. I really hope you didn't spend your money! Sounds like you researched it enough not to! I just feel bad for all the women who get taken in, thinking they're going to make all this money not working outside the home. Supposedly that's one reason it's so big in Utah-- Mormon women are more likely to be SAHMs, and they jump at the chance to make real money from home. It just makes me so angry to see a few people getting rich off the gullibility and desire for a home business of others. The old adage, "If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is" definitely applies here.


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You are spot on! It is nothing but a big scam. I just couldn’t believe neither one of those women cared enough to say, “Hey, this probably isn’t the best deal for you because of xyz. Don’t waste your money.” Luckily I did not sign up. I’ve lost all respect for that company. I can go to Ulta and buy better quality, long wear, designer makeup products cheaper than Senegence and without people trying to scam me into a bad “investment”.

I think when this happened I started to see the flaws in the Gardners. Knowing that Ashley has made this much money by scamming people. You love your fans so much, but you don’t care to rip them off? I’ve seen Amanda post several times about becoming a distributor just for the discount. They feed people so many lies to get them to sign up. Even the ones signing up to actually sell, if you don’t have a large social following chances are you’re not going to gain the success women like Ashley have. Not once has she been honest and told her desperate followers that.

The point that threw me over the edge was today seeing Tyson so desperate to go viral. Why can’t he get that excited and motivated to do fun things with the girls and actually parent them? That poor rabbit that probably died from the high fall onto concrete, maybe you should take that as a warning sign of what could happen to your little girls from you both being so careless with them. There has been plenty of times that could easily have happened to them.


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[BumblebeeBubbles]

Basements do count as living space in Utah as long as they are accessible. Because of that, the homes here are very large. I live in a 4800
square foot home with just my husband and me. And trust me, we don’t make even close to the Greedners. Our basement nearly doubles the size of our home. The garage does not count. But I would easily put their old home at 4800-5000. Their new home is large too. But it is so poorly designed that they aren’t getting the real estate out of all that house.

Why didn’t they put the tree up in the formal living room out of the way?


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[BumblebeeBubbles]

The old rental says 4500 square foot which makes more sense


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Looks like it's been rented as it says Off Market. That was fast. But it is a nice home. But wouldn't it have to be painted and cleaned after they moved everything out? Vlog showed them there today.

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The off market one is old from when it was for sale as it says great investment property.

I just looked on Realtor.com and it’s available on January 1st so the owner anticipates it will take a month to rehab that place. The owner probably deceided no pets this time around to try to cut down on any and all destruction that comes along with renting not realizing those feral children destroyed that house.

Ha. I was just going to add that ironically it wasn’t poor Bentley (although I’m sure his pee didn’t help the grass any). It was those four girls and 2 parents who are worse than the dog when it comes to behavior. I guess it’s not proper in Utah to say

No children
No dogs
No vloggers
No lipsense
No cheap blankets needing storage
No outdoor benches easily vandalized
Children cannot pick flowers
No Rod Works (dear Lord the holes!)
No throwing things down the stairs
No railroad tracks in the kitchen




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