Greedner Quad Squad: Fake as Flock (part 16)

[lmmomSD]

Potty training? Isn't it likely the family or um, oops "employees" as Ashley and Tyson call their family will take care of the potty training for the King and Queen?

BTW, I was reading about the Dionne Quints (thanks to a reference by someone here) and how the general public paid admission to watch these little girls behind a one way mirror. Isn't a camera, posting on youtube and getting paid for followers the same kind of deal? These girls have no idea they're becoming the source of people's (total strangers) fascination/emotional needs. What a weight to bear for four 3 year olds that can't even use the bathroom on their own.

I would be FURIOUS with my parents if they sold me for entertainment value for strangers to view, share and comment over. I've said it before but these poor girls, when in public at some point, are likely going to be approached by local people who think they know them. How awkward that could be!

Sophie - hoping this is your year, feel better sissie!

All of you, than you for being truth seekers! Happy new year!

Jane

This was a well worded post, too. This type of exploitation doesn't look like classic child abuse at first glance, so concerned observers can't really turn them in with typical abuse concerns. But according to the adult Dionnes, the repercussions are just as damaging (if not more so.) Shame on the KADs that choose to view them every day for entertainment, and shame on their parents for throwing their supposed miracles out there so that the Tubster can avoid having a pesky job that might get in the way of donit time.

And where it gets really weird is when the people watching them want them to have more babies. There are several vlogger couples pregnant right now, and one couple actually asked for people to respond in the comments "Should we have another baby?"
Every day in the Daily Bumps comments, several people ask when they are going to have another baby. It's sick. They actually want strangers to bring another human being into the world because they think it's "cute".
I guess that's one thing we won't be seeing much of with the Greedners-- KAD asking when they're going to have another. Because if the whole excuse for not being able to get things done is 'but they have FTYO!", nobody is going to wish more kids on them.

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[BumblebeeBubbles]

I wonder if Ass ever gets tired of Bison always being there especially at events like yesterday. I love my husband but get away sometimes. And Bison would be so embarrassing.


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[DoodleBop2]

The idea of "shipping" real people [wanting two people to be romantically involved] is weird enough I can't imagine expecting actual real people to have actual real human children because it would make their Youtube more interesting. I cannot fathom the idea of people actually choosing to have another child in part because the people who watch their channel want them to have a baby. What the ever loving hell is that. It's like people forget this is real life and not a TV show where the kid goes from 6-7 years old to suddenly being sixteen in the span of 1 year like on a soap opera.

I bet he routinely embarrasses her. Probably why she has eyes for other peoples husbands.

[BumblebeeBubbles]

Those that wonder about MLM in Utah and Ash’s success - Utah is the number one state for perpetrators and victims of fraud, schemes, and MLM losses. Why? Because a lot of church members fall for it because it’s another church member selling it and “they are my Bishop (Pastor) or in my congregation, they won’t steal from me or treat me bad.” Oh yes. Number one market for gullibility!

Also, most of our women work from home raising babies but want to contribute (or need to as we have HUGE families). So MLM from home and quick-rich schemes are notorious around here. I also thinks that’s why there are so many mommy bloggers from Utah. Put gullibility and innocence and stay-at-Home moms and MLMs together and Utah is a monkey trap.


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[BumblebeeBubbles]

Okay this is trite and crappy of me but it annoys me. Who puts brown boots with black dresses? The weather is quite nice today and there is no snow on the ground. Some nice black Mary Janes would have been adorable with those outfits today. The constant boots are ridiculous.


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[lmmomSD]

The idea of "shipping" real people [wanting two people to be romantically involved] is weird enough I can't imagine expecting actual real people to have actual real human children because it would make their Youtube more interesting. I cannot fathom the idea of people actually choosing to have another child in part because the people who watch their channel want them to have a baby. What the ever loving hell is that. It's like people forget this is real life and not a TV show where the kid goes from 6-7 years old to suddenly being sixteen in the span of 1 year like on a soap opera.

I bet he routinely embarrasses her. Probably why she has eyes for other peoples husbands.

Isn't it bizarre? But babies=views. I don't _want_ to believe any of them actually have a kid to increase views, but I think it's got to be some subconscious factor. And nobody in the comments section seems to think it's weird at all.
And going away and coming home to a potty trained child is definitely not new territory for vloggers-- Daily Bumps did it with their oldest. His grandparents potty trained him pretty much in one weekend while Mommy and Daddy were out of town. They also transitioned him to a toddler bed because they went on a trip and his aunt "caught" him escaping from his crib. Even though people had been saying for a while that he shouldn't be in a crib anymore.
It's almost like you can watch a vlogger who is farther along in their career and see where the Greedners will be. It's like deja vu seeing what they are doing!

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[DoodleBop2]

I cannot imagine expecting my parents to transition my kid to a toddler bed let alone potty training. Why are there so many families willing to enable people from actually parenting their own children?

I caught a documentary for mom pregnant with quads. She was told there is a 50% chance each child could have a serious disability. So the Greedners are quite fortunate to have relatively healthy children yet hobble them by refusing to parent them.

[DoodleBop2]

I have noticed within all of the MLM sellers religion plays a big part in the marketing. It's like they get a script. They "felt led" to be a SAHM and "this allows me to me home to parent my children and serve as helpmeet to my husband" very similar to how Youtubers explain away exploiting their kids white wash all this with religion and the ends justify the means because I'm telling you God wants this. This goal to be a stay at home mom trumps literally most other things. We were sold a dream that isn't as possible anymore. Our grandparents raising children on one income...uh have you seen cost of living increases vs the lack of wage increases since then? Very few people can be a 1 income family without making serious sacrifices like hardly ever eating out, hand me down clothes, no cable TV...you won't see every kid getting an iPad etc.

[Spruce]

So I like lipsense. There. I said it out loud. Lol.

I would try it if I could get it at 1/3 the price or less, but I refuse to pay $25 for lipstick, no matter what it is. I'm into lip goo that will stay on for 16+ hrs or more, but within reason price-wise. I'll have to look on ebay and other places to see if someone is trying to get rid of their stock. I won't purchase from anyone in the Greedner line though.

Someone recruited A$$wipe into senegence, so that person really gets the credit I suppose. It's just built-in success with MLM if you have thousands of followers like the A$$wipe family because then you're not bothering your family and friends to buy from you and with notoriety all these strangers suddenly want to be in your life and come running with their wallets open. A$$wipe didn't need to build her business, the business built itself up around her as a result of the whole quad thing, YouTube, Rattled, etc. All she had to do was create a separate Facebook page and then talk about what she was wearing in her vlogs. I don't have a problem with any of the MLM products, btw. I even used a couple of the Amway cleaning products back in the 1980s and they were really good (albeit expensive). I just refuse to buy overpriced products now and I have no problem saying "no" in my cranky middleage years.

A saturated market is a reality. Look at the Rodan + Fields skin care products. Fully saturated, and all over Facebook. I actually saw Dr. Fields way back in 1990-ish at UCSF Med Center when my dentist sent me to the derm clinic to have a spot under my tongue looked at. This is long before she ever developed the billion $ skincare line sold in infomercials and through MLM.

[alannah62]

Those that wonder about MLM in Utah and Ash’s success - Utah is the number one state for perpetrators and victims of fraud, schemes, and MLM losses. Why? Because a lot of church members fall for it because it’s another church member selling it and “they are my Bishop (Pastor) or in my congregation, they won’t steal from me or treat me bad.” Oh yes. Number one market for gullibility!

Also, most of our women work from home raising babies but want to contribute (or need to as we have HUGE families). So MLM from home and quick-rich schemes are notorious around here. I also thinks that’s why there are so many mommy bloggers from Utah. Put gullibility and innocence and stay-at-Home moms and MLMs together and Utah is a monkey trap.


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Thank you bumble bee for being so open and honest about your Mormon religion. I'm assumimg you are part of it. D&D with their dishonest and grifting ways certainly don't put a good light on Mormons and neither so the binghams if they are too. Yes, they may do good deeds, but their increasing gluttony is over shadowing the good.

I have never watched another another vlog family and I only have known one Mormon coworker. Although a beautiful Mormon temple was built in my city and I got to fully tour it as did 70K others before it was closed to non mormons. It was very interesting and the mormon tour guides who came from all over the country were very nice but not pushing you into converting. So I try to remember that experience rather than think unkindly of Mormons based on the awful Greedners. And there's the Osmonds of course who put a good light on Mormons!

[Night lady]

So I like lipsense. There. I said it out loud. Lol.

I would try it if I could get it at 1/3 the price or less, but I refuse to pay $25 for lipstick, no matter what it is. I'm into lip goo that will stay on for 16+ hrs or more, but within reason price-wise. I'll have to look on ebay and other places to see if someone is trying to get rid of their stock. I won't purchase from anyone in the Greedner line though.

Someone recruited A$$wipe into senegence, so that person really gets the credit I suppose. It's just built-in success with MLM if you have thousands of followers like the A$$wipe family because then you're not bothering your family and friends to buy from you and with notoriety all these strangers suddenly want to be in your life and come running with their wallets open. A$$wipe didn't need to build her business, the business built itself up around her as a result of the whole quad thing, YouTube, Rattled, etc. All she had to do was create a separate Facebook page and then talk about what she was wearing in her vlogs. I don't have a problem with any of the MLM products, btw. I even used a couple of the Amway cleaning products back in the 1980s and they were really good (albeit expensive). I just refuse to buy overpriced products now and I have no problem saying "no" in my cranky middleage years.

A saturated market is a reality. Look at the Rodan + Fields skin care products. Fully saturated, and all over Facebook. I actually saw Dr. Fields way back in 1990-ish at UCSF Med Center when my dentist sent me to the derm clinic to have a spot under my tongue looked at. This is long before she ever developed the billion $ skincare line sold in infomercials and through MLM.

Danielle Busby sells Rodan and Fields skin care.
I, too, would never spend that much money on lipstick. I have a lipstick I got at CVS for $11... stays on ALL DAY LONG. And you don't need a special chemical to remove it. LOL.

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[Spruce]

I have noticed within all of the MLM sellers religion plays a big part in the marketing. It's like they get a script.

You're right it is a script. Same script from back in the Amway days (circa 1980+). I know because I got roped into one of the presentations and sat through it around 1982. MLM has done very well in the church circles, and in the heartland states. It's the same message repackaged and resold. There's really nothing new with it. Mary Kay, same message. Avon, same message. "Be your own boss," "take charge of your financial future," "grow your own successful and profitable business..."

[DoodleBop2]

I have noticed within all of the MLM sellers religion plays a big part in the marketing. It's like they get a script.

You're right it is a script. Same script from back in the Amway days (circa 1980+). I know because I got roped into one of the presentations and sat through it around 1982. MLM has done very well in the church circles, and in the heartland states. It's the same message repackaged and resold. There's really nothing new with it. Mary Kay, same message. Avon, same message. "Be your own boss," "take charge of your financial future," "grow your own successful and profitable business..."

I've noticed that with some friends selling essential oils. A lot of it feels very out there and not science based but then the seller lays it on real thick about taking charge of your families health etc. Many families are 1 income families...which means they have little or no health insurance which has made home birth and home remedies are really popular. So instead of taking charge of your fiancial future it's take charge of your families health! Your body was designed to heal itself etc. I keep getting invited to events to have my energy tested by a trained professional at a family memeber's church and then I'll be told which oils I need.

[Spruce]

It is out there and it's not science-based. You just have to be firm and say "not interested" and don't give in or accept any guilt trip someone tries to lay on you. There is no way you need to spend the amount of money charged by any MLM company, which is a product manufactured for pennies and then marked up at least 10 to 35x so everyone along the chain gets their cut of the profit. I got some LuLaRue invites and deleted them all immediately. Sorry, been there, seen the MLM pitches, not funding any of it.

[lmmomSD]

I have noticed within all of the MLM sellers religion plays a big part in the marketing. It's like they get a script.

You're right it is a script. Same script from back in the Amway days (circa 1980+). I know because I got roped into one of the presentations and sat through it around 1982. MLM has done very well in the church circles, and in the heartland states. It's the same message repackaged and resold. There's really nothing new with it. Mary Kay, same message. Avon, same message. "Be your own boss," "take charge of your financial future," "grow your own successful and profitable business..."

And you are definitely right about it being perfect for someone who has a following already. Carlie Butler, the sister of the "Shaytards" (whom we have to blame for a lot of these Mormon vloggers who put the religion in a bad light by being so greedy) is doing LipSense as well. She had a following because of her brother, and gave this "You'll have special access to ME!" schpiel, and amassed a big downline. Now she's driving around in a Lexus gotten with LipSense "points", and saying how rich she is because of LipSense, and you can be too! But you can't. Because you don't have a half a million subscribers who hang on your every word. And she knows it.
Such good "Christians". Didn't Jesus say something about not building a treasure on Earth? Or did I misread?

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[BumblebeeBubbles]

Those that wonder about MLM in Utah and Ash’s success - Utah is the number one state for perpetrators and victims of fraud, schemes, and MLM losses. Why? Because a lot of church members fall for it because it’s another church member selling it and “they are my Bishop (Pastor) or in my congregation, they won’t steal from me or treat me bad.” Oh yes. Number one market for gullibility!

Also, most of our women work from home raising babies but want to contribute (or need to as we have HUGE families). So MLM from home and quick-rich schemes are notorious around here. I also thinks that’s why there are so many mommy bloggers from Utah. Put gullibility and innocence and stay-at-Home moms and MLMs together and Utah is a monkey trap.


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Thank you bumble bee for being so open and honest about your Mormon religion. I'm assumimg you are part of it. D&D with their dishonest and grifting ways certainly don't put a good light on Mormons and neither so the binghams if they are too. Yes, they may do good deeds, but their increasing gluttony is over shadowing the good.

I have never watched another another vlog family and I only have known one Mormon coworker. Although a beautiful Mormon temple was built in my city and I got to fully tour it as did 70K others before it was closed to non mormons. It was very interesting and the mormon tour guides who came from all over the country were very nice but not pushing you into converting. So I try to remember that experience rather than think unkindly of Mormons based on the awful Greedners. And there's the Osmonds of course who put a good light on Mormons!

I am although I haven’t been going for a long time. My husband is not Mormon at all so I attend his non-denominational a lot. I like worshipping God but struggle with some Mormon stuff. Not the doctrine per se but some of the hypocrisy of people. I guess it’s probably the case in all religions. And no - um - Tyson and Ashley do not reflect well on Mormons. But then, they aren’t blogging about being Mormons and don’t ask to be the model of such. I guess that’s why it makes me mad sometimes when they want to boast about being the “Mormon example of family” but just pull that card when it’s convenient. Wearing garments like tee shirts on a worldwide vlog is not appropriate! Their charity is pathetic at best. And I have some questions on their ethics and honesty. And on Ashley’s short tops. But again. If someone looked at my life, they could definitely say the same about some of my standards. I guess it only makes me ill because they flaunt it and use it and pretend to be things they aren’t. I am very honest with those around me about my struggles.

But not being raised in Utah, it was scary eye opening how different Utah Mormons are. Because wards and congregations are assigned by geography and there are so so so many Mormons in Utah, all your neighbors up and down the blocks around see you every day, every Sunday, hear you scream at your kids, flip off your husband, or have plumbing problems. Everything is everybody’s business. This creates a weird culture of having to put forth a fake front and pretend to be something you’re not. It’s exhausting. We call it an extreme of “keeping up with the Jones’”. It’s not a religion thing as much as just the culture of all living so close together. And being nosy and gossipy!

So I’m pretty honest about calling it as it is! And fraud and MLM schemes and the victim mentality is rampant! Some like to call it innocence. I say it verges on ignorance and greed. And taking advantage!

There are now over 150 temples worldwide. They are quite beautiful. I am glad you had a chance to walk through. Most Mormons are nice - as are most Catholics, Jewish people and my husband is kinda cool. The Osmonds. Marriott. Steve Young. Harry Reid (although I don’t claim him). Glenn Beck. Romney. David Archeletta. Stephanie Meyers. Definitely much better role models out there than the Gardners.


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[BumblebeeBubbles]

Lipgook. I chew my lips when I’m stressed so can’t keep lipstick on. I thought about trying this stuff. But anything that requires an actual remover to remove from my face scares me a little.


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[BumblebeeBubbles]

I have noticed within all of the MLM sellers religion plays a big part in the marketing. It's like they get a script.

You're right it is a script. Same script from back in the Amway days (circa 1980+). I know because I got roped into one of the presentations and sat through it around 1982. MLM has done very well in the church circles, and in the heartland states. It's the same message repackaged and resold. There's really nothing new with it. Mary Kay, same message. Avon, same message. "Be your own boss," "take charge of your financial future," "grow your own successful and profitable business..."

And you are definitely right about it being perfect for someone who has a following already. Carlie Butler, the sister of the "Shaytards" (whom we have to blame for a lot of these Mormon vloggers who put the religion in a bad light by being so greedy) is doing LipSense as well. She had a following because of her brother, and gave this "You'll have special access to ME!" schpiel, and amassed a big downline. Now she's driving around in a Lexus gotten with LipSense "points", and saying how rich she is because of LipSense, and you can be too! But you can't. Because you don't have a half a million subscribers who hang on your every word. And she knows it.
Such good "Christians". Didn't Jesus say something about not building a treasure on Earth? Or did I misread?

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Oh hell. She wouldn’t even be a blip on the LipSense webpage if it weren’t for the Quads. They’ve put themselves in a dilemma. Stop the vlogging or have the girls revolt, they lose their lipsense income too. I would say they have a year or two left. I’m sorry. The girls are already unbearable to watch. Once they go to school and they grow into even less tolerable children, their businesses all go downhill. I hope they are saving for a rainy day because the storm clouds are gathering and Al Gore is predicting a radicle climate change a’comin.


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[ItIsSunny]

I have noticed within all of the MLM sellers religion plays a big part in the marketing. It's like they get a script.

You're right it is a script. Same script from back in the Amway days (circa 1980+). I know because I got roped into one of the presentations and sat through it around 1982. MLM has done very well in the church circles, and in the heartland states. It's the same message repackaged and resold. There's really nothing new with it. Mary Kay, same message. Avon, same message. "Be your own boss," "take charge of your financial future," "grow your own successful and profitable business..."

And you are definitely right about it being perfect for someone who has a following already. Carlie Butler, the sister of the "Shaytards" (whom we have to blame for a lot of these Mormon vloggers who put the religion in a bad light by being so greedy) is doing LipSense as well. She had a following because of her brother, and gave this "You'll have special access to ME!" schpiel, and amassed a big downline. Now she's driving around in a Lexus gotten with LipSense "points", and saying how rich she is because of LipSense, and you can be too! But you can't. Because you don't have a half a million subscribers who hang on your every word. And she knows it.
Such good "Christians". Didn't Jesus say something about not building a treasure on Earth? Or did I misread?

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I just googled the Shaytards (new to me) and saw that Shay took his channel down earlier this year while revealing that his alcoholism had returned. Millions of subscribers & so many trashy rumors about the guy now circulating. Not hard to imagine a similar future for Tyson, already overwhelmed with four daughters & a career-succeeding beautiful younger wife. Makes me so fearful for the girls.

[DoodleBop2]

Shay brings up religion and his alcoholism every time he gets caught doing something shitty. Very similar to how Tyson suddenly has to go live and talk about his many blessings when people point out the hypocrisy. They really are not good representations of Mormons or Christians or even just good humans.