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Postby eab424 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:26 am

here4thepopcorn wrote:Joan's latest IG post is making me cringe. Mainly this line: "Were we ready to gift her Maeve’s beautiful crib and changing table?"

Why does she always have to put things in such a weird way? How is using a crib and changing table that was unfortunately never used by Maeve, "gifting" it to the baby. If you already had one child, and then had another, would you call it "gifting" the crib and changing table? I don't think I have ever thought of nursery furniture in that way. I would understand not passing on a special blanket that was made for Maeve, or her stuffed foxes, but a crib that was never used? No. I don't know what Joan has been doing in therapy, but she still has a long way to go. After this much time, I wonder if a new therapist, with a fresh perspective, would be better able to help Joan recover and heal? Because like others have stated, Joan acts haunted by Maeve.



I hopped on here to talk about that very thing. It's beyond creepy and weird how they word things. I never made that kind of statement. When I purchased baby things, they were not only for the baby I was currently pregnant with but I'd hoped to get wear out of them for at least two kids. Both of my nurseries were from Babies r us. And I specifically purchased a unisex travel system (I was having a boy then) so that if I had a girl the next time she could use it too.

Maeve was lost at 38 weeks why do they need ANYTHING? I get they may want to celebrate the new baby but buying her things you should already have is just NUTS. 2,000 worth of stuff on a baby registry when you're having the same gender and the baby things from Maeve haven't been used yet is just crazy. Perhaps they gave some of Maeve's things away or sold them but with their attachment to Maeve I don't see that.

I don't know who edits their vlogs but in some of these husband/wife vlogs it's the husband who edits them even leaving in some of their wife's crazy statements.

If you want to celebrate the new baby there are tons of ways to do that without registering for baby items you don't need. What about starting a fund to help families who are experiencing IF and pregnancy loss? Some families who have experienced IF and have the child by adoption or birth tend to forget what it's like to be in that place yet they still want to act like they have it bad.

I didn't see the comment she made to the 4 year old's mom but that is sick and twisted. I really dislike how she compares people's tragedies and tries to make hers stand out as the worst. I've been there. It's bad but there's no way I'm going to walk up to someone and say my child's loss was worse than theirs because you can't compare them. Both are sad, but the 4 year old's mom is grieving both memories she never got to make with her son AND the memories she did.

And back to that whole nursing thing. She actually typed it on instagram.... Does she really see what she's typing and how it makes her look?
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby eab424 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:58 am

endellion wrote:I actually felt bad for John when he was trying to look on the bright side about using stuff for the new baby and Joan had to say " but that doesn't change anything." She'll never let anyone forget, especially John and this second kid. She'll always be the grieving mother and won't allow anyone in her life to move on.



I agree with whomever said that she needs a new therapist. And I'm sorry for the double post (I can't go back to edit and tack this on) and I'm not sure why my last one posted twice. Anyway I noticed on the video she mentioned that she had put an playmat on the registry and noticed they already had two very expensive ones. She also put a bathtub on the list and in the basement they already have one.

I get grief hits in waves. I have days where I miss my kids, but some of these weird things like making a registry for this new baby is just weird. You've had a baby shower and have enough stuff to start your own mini Buy buy baby.

She has a video monitor on there AND an Owlet. Ok the house isn't that big. I'm pretty sure you can hear her crying. I agree with the owlet thing. I'd invest in that. Perhaps they'd need one once the house has a second floor. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I think this video is proof she's in serious need of help.
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby may8675 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:51 am

I have a feeling she is not going to be happy with this baby once it is born. This whole time she has had it in her head that maeve is perfect, glorifying her. But once she has to deal with the stressful side of taking care of a child/them being fussy etc, the new baby will not live up to the perfect maeve she is imaging.

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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby lmmomSD » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:07 am

TheOneWhoBlogs wrote:Anybody notice this? http://www.newscentermaine.com/article/ ... -370502716
Whoever wrote that article didn't do their research. Ellie and Jared didn't have IVF
"Maeve's funeral was standing room only, so many people loved her". Then how does she know exactly who was there and who wasn't? My dad's funeral truly was standing room only. We had to open the church doors and put chairs on the patio. Beyond a few close friends, I couldn't tell you who was there.



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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby ButterflyB » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:09 am

You know...her grief and anxiety won’t stop once she brings this healthy alive baby home. I see her being a very paranoid mom worrying about SIDS and such. I don’t think she will ever be able to fully enjoy a child which is sad.

I’ve never lost a child - be it miscarriage, stillbirth or a living child - my heart aches for her but at the same time, she needs to try to move past this. I understand it’s something you will never get over but it just doesn’t seem like she is progressing at all. I feel bad for this baby...and I feel bad for John. He seems like he wants to move past this and be more excited about the new baby but Joan doesn’t let that happen.


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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby Playsinrain » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:23 am

FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:It amazes me that they’re not embarrassed by their own begging! From go find me, grants, and now this registry!! Set up so they don’t have to hassle with returning or exchanging this.
How about you just say, guys we appreciate you want to send us gifts for baby but we are all set, please send us a card or donate to your local women’s shelter?! Anything other then make sure if you send us something it’s something we actually want!!



I feel like Joan thinks she deserves to have people fund her life and shower her with gifts. She lost a baby, remember? *sarcasm font*
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby here4thepopcorn » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:02 am

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DreamLead wrote:This might come across as harsh but I can't sit back anymore. Joan needs to get over this loss of Maeve. It struck me weirdly when she said someone asked her if this was her first baby and she said "no my second". Like what if she's out in public after this baby is born and someone asks her that? Is she going to say it's her second? Because it's not. She will be a first time mom, this is her first living child. She is not a second-time mom. Yes she will always be a mom to Maeve, but she has never experienced being a mother to a living child. Also, why does John need to take paternity leave when they can't even afford Joan's maternity leave? Their house is a complete mess, they have no money, they don't even have a room for their baby..? Why would they rush into IVF when they're in this type of situation? I just find it really strange that it's been 3 years since Maeve has died and Joan hasn't healed at all.. the way she types her insta posts and the way she talks in her videos and constantly breaking down and crying 24/7? ?? If I didn't know their backstory I would have thought Maeve died a couple months ago or something with the way these two act.
I just have this mental image of her being out walking with the new baby and someone saying something about how cute she is, or something like that, and instead of saying thank you, Joan will launch into "She should have had a big sister" and tell them the whole story. And all they wanted to do was be polite. Like when strangers ask how you are, and they don't really want to know. They don't want you to tell them how you really feel-- they're just being polite.
She just can't let it go.

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I cringe at that thought and know it will absolutely happen. I feel sorry for whoever says that to Joan. People on here have mentioned it is like Joan is participating in the Grief Olympics and she is determined to get gold. What drives me the craziest about Joan is how she is always so quick to point out how she has had it worst. That is so inappropriate! For Joan to tell people who lost a living child that they have it better because they got to spend time with their child is cruel. Grief is grief. And Joan needs to realize her grief isn't special. Life goes on and she needs to learn how to handle it better. My biggest fear is that this child is going to live in the shadow of Joan's image of Maeve.
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby eab424 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:52 am

lmmomSD wrote:
TheOneWhoBlogs wrote:Anybody notice this? http://www.newscentermaine.com/article/ ... -370502716
Whoever wrote that article didn't do their research. Ellie and Jared didn't have IVF
"Maeve's funeral was standing room only, so many people loved her". Then how does she know exactly who was there and who wasn't? My dad's funeral truly was standing room only. We had to open the church doors and put chairs on the patio. Beyond a few close friends, I couldn't tell you who was there.



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Yeah I noticed this. The person who wrote it was the guy who interviewed Ellie and Jared when the first giveaway was going on. They never bothered to correct him that they never did IVF. Just IUI which pales in comparison. IUI is very affordable compared to IVF. I think it was very poor judgement to do FETs now she's clearly in poor headspace.

I have to disagree one one point though. Maeve was their child. She counts. Just because they didn't take her home and raise her doesn't take away the fact that she gave birth and was their child. As far as miscarriages go, I don't really count them as a total number of kids.
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby HelloSweetie » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:23 pm

eab424 wrote:
lmmomSD wrote:
TheOneWhoBlogs wrote:Anybody notice this? http://www.newscentermaine.com/article/ ... -370502716
Whoever wrote that article didn't do their research. Ellie and Jared didn't have IVF
"Maeve's funeral was standing room only, so many people loved her". Then how does she know exactly who was there and who wasn't? My dad's funeral truly was standing room only. We had to open the church doors and put chairs on the patio. Beyond a few close friends, I couldn't tell you who was there.



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Yeah I noticed this. The person who wrote it was the guy who interviewed Ellie and Jared when the first giveaway was going on. They never bothered to correct him that they never did IVF. Just IUI which pales in comparison. IUI is very affordable compared to IVF. I think it was very poor judgement to do FETs now she's clearly in poor headspace.

I have to disagree one one point though. Maeve was their child. She counts. Just because they didn't take her home and raise her doesn't take away the fact that she gave birth and was their child. As far as miscarriages go, I don't really count them as a total number of kids.


So a miscarriage isn’t countable, but a stillbirth is? A loss is a loss. All would have been someone’s child.

Sounds like pain olympics to me.


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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:39 pm

Yeah...I’ve had multiple miscarriages. Some hurt me more then others but they’re all a loss of a child.
You don’t really have the right to tell someone what “counts”
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby calliepaige » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:44 pm

Ugh she sure is pushing that super expensive jewelry.


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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby eab424 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:50 pm

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Yeah I noticed this. The person who wrote it was the guy who interviewed Ellie and Jared when the first giveaway was going on. They never bothered to correct him that they never did IVF. Just IUI which pales in comparison. IUI is very affordable compared to IVF. I think it was very poor judgement to do FETs now she's clearly in poor headspace.

I have to disagree one one point though. Maeve was their child. She counts. Just because they didn't take her home and raise her doesn't take away the fact that she gave birth and was their child. As far as miscarriages go, I don't really count them as a total number of kids.[/quote]

So a miscarriage isn’t countable, but a stillbirth is? A loss is a loss. All would have been someone’s child.

Sounds like pain olympics to me.


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No not at all and I didn't mean to sound harsh. A lot of my friends who have had miscarriages and then went on to have healthy babies, when people ask her how many children she has she says 3. She has 2 sons and a daughter and had two miscarriages. I was only stating that when someone gives birth to a stillborn child they never say when they have a live birth that they are parents of one child.

A loss is a loss, I've had three miscarriages and two stillbirths. One in 2002, 2006 and 2012. I'd love it if all five of my children were with me. My son was stillborn in 2009 and my daughter in 2011.


I was merely trying to state what a previous poster said about this new baby being their first and that Maeve didn't count as their child was wrong.
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby eab424 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:53 pm

calliepaige84 wrote:Ugh she sure is pushing that super expensive jewelry.


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Guarantee you most of those pieces take her 5 minutes to make maybe $10 in materials and she pops them on etsy for $45+.
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby lmmomSD » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:42 pm

I definitely think Maeve "counts" but so does the baby she is carrying. And sometimes it seems like this baby doesn't count as much to her as Maeve does. She doesn't even rate Maeve's hand me downs!

The reason I mentioned the funeral quote specifically was that she has mentioned being angry with people who didn't show at Maeve's funeral. And if it was really SRO, and she was grief stricken (as I imagine she was-- anyone would be) how would she know who was there?


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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby flowerpuppy » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:45 pm

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calliepaige84 wrote:Ugh she sure is pushing that super expensive jewelry.


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Guarantee you most of those pieces take her 5 minutes to make maybe $10 in materials and she pops them on etsy for $45+.


my boyfriend is really into jewelry and has a good idea of quality/prices with jewelry so i asked him to look at her etsy shop and tell me what he thought of the prices...... he said he thinks it’s priced at least 3x more than it should be lol
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Postby minmouse » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:21 pm

Her pieces are ridiculously overpriced! I also question the quality... If you look closely at one of the dreaming of the sea necklaces you can see the gold plated necklace clasp is already tarnished green. I haven't looked closely at the other items but that really turned me off.
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby Pineapples » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:50 pm

She literally threaded 4 beads onto a chain and charged $49 dollars for it


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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby jesswhytho » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:52 pm

What about Sweet Pea? Does Sweet Pea still count to Joan and John?

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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby RootBeerFloatie » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:59 pm

I think any child in her custody is in danger tbh. She's unwell, unhinged, and seems to live in her own dream reality. I won't be at all surprised if she hurts or neglects this baby.
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby HelloSweetie » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:03 pm

RootBeerFloatie wrote:I think any child in her custody is in danger tbh. She's unwell, unhinged, and seems to live in her own dream reality. I won't be at all surprised if she hurts or neglects this baby.


I agree. I hope John is man enough to step up and do what’s best for his child if she can’t get her head on straight. Unfortunately, I just don’t think this is the case.




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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby marshmallowfluf » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:36 pm

I can only hope that when this baby is born that Joan will be able to bond with her and stop talking about Maeve constantly. It probably wont feel real until she has the baby in her arms.
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby lmmomSD » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:25 pm

jesswhytho wrote:What about Sweet Pea? Does Sweet Pea still count to Joan and John?

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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby eab424 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:51 pm

jesswhytho wrote:What about Sweet Pea? Does Sweet Pea still count to Joan and John?

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They don't mention sweet pea much. It's really concerning that this baby won't get to use Maeve's things. As long as the clothing doesn't have Maeve's name on them I don't see why she couldn't. I think it's really weird she's doing a registry for things she most likely already has.
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Re: John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

Postby Dandjsmommy » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:51 pm

eab424 wrote:
Yeah I noticed this. The person who wrote it was the guy who interviewed Ellie and Jared when the first giveaway was going on. They never bothered to correct him that they never did IVF. Just IUI which pales in comparison. IUI is very affordable compared to IVF. I think it was very poor judgement to do FETs now she's clearly in poor headspace.

I have to disagree one one point though. Maeve was their child. She counts. Just because they didn't take her home and raise her doesn't take away the fact that she gave birth and was their child. As far as miscarriages go, I don't really count them as a total number of kids.


Ellie and Jared didn't even do IUI. They were scheduled to do an IUI. She was taking femara, went in to have the IUI done, but when they did the ultrasound they saw she had already ovulated. They happened to have sex in the couple days before the scheduled IUI and that's how they conceived Jackson.
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