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Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby Aurielle » Tue May 22, 2018 8:10 am

Bonnies kids get treats so often I don't really think they classify as treats anymore

Bonnie seems to be going to McDonalds more than usual?

They seem to do lawn day very very often I feel like im constantly hearing lawn day, lawn day, lawn day and its not very exciting

I've never been able to stand Olivias bonnie-like attitude its getting worse though and she's really trying to be on camera more

Bree is super unnecessary for 2 stay at home parents, I don't think its wrong for her to get someone in to help clean once a week or something along those lines but looking after the kids is just like ???? put them in a daycare/creche where they can interact with kids their own age and learn more.
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby lmmomSD » Tue May 22, 2018 8:14 am

This thread is giving me fits. I keep getting error messages. And it won't let me see posts from more than a few minutes ago!
I just wanted to say that if Bonnie is talking about her abs being a "problem area", then yes, weight loss is definitely a goal of hers. And a Big Mac meal won't help mental clarity at all.

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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby ba1006 » Tue May 22, 2018 8:17 am

ICantEven wrote:Good for Bonnie for making some changes to prioritize her health! It's great if she has the money to hire someone to come to her home. I bet that could help if what she's most worried about is sticking with it (like she said), or if she has anxiety around going to the gym. To me her tears were sheer tiredness. She has stuck with this exercise plan for 2 weeks, and certainly those weeks have been tough mentally and physically going from zero to working out every day. You can tell she is at the point where she wants to give up, but she is determined not to. On top of that, she's got 3 extra kids to care for (and she gave us a glimpse in the vlog of just how fun that can be at times). To me her little conversation was totally relatable.

Also, did I miss something about her saying she started exercising to lose weight? I only heard her mention mental clarity. Exercise does wonders for the brain, even if you eat a Big Mac. Admittedly eating healthy is also good for the brain, and if her long-term goal is weight loss, then sure she should pay attention to her diet. But without her telling us she is using both diet and exercise to try to lose weight, I think it's a little premature to rag on her for the Big Mac.

I normally don't defend Bonnie, but it's really not fair to beat her up for doing something amazing - deciding to make working out a priority, putting money and time and effort into it, and sticking with it for two weeks so far.


Nobody's beating her up for getting a trainer but eating a Big Mac and large fries is counterproductive. Of course she wants to lose weight - she's said it many times. No trainer in the world would condone that diet and if they would, you should get a different trainer.
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby natalka81 » Tue May 22, 2018 8:28 am

As far as I know she never said that it was great to eat a McDonald's meal. Presumably she knows this. She certainly didn't say anything about her trainer condoning it. Yes, she ate a crappy meal. Yes, that's not going to help her much. But haven't we all done that from time to time?
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby HelloSweetie » Tue May 22, 2018 8:28 am

lmmomSD wrote:This thread is giving me fits. I keep getting error messages. And it won't let me see posts from more than a few minutes ago!
I just wanted to say that if Bonnie is talking about her abs being a "problem area", then yes, weight loss is definitely a goal of hers. And a Big Mac meal won't help mental clarity at all.

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This whole site has become glitchy. It takes forever to load and then when it finally does its loaded the first page of the thread so I have to skip to the end and start the load process all over again.... which usually results in an error


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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby ICantEven » Tue May 22, 2018 8:44 am

Bonnie doesn't need to eat a big Mac in the same way that no one needs to eat one. Including Ellie who doesn't need to lose weight.

I guess over the years I have come to focus on health rather than weight, and exercising is a step toward health, regardless of whatever else. Changing one thing at a time and focusing on sticking to it is a better long term strategy for change than trying to fix both diet and activity all at once.

Yes the big Mac was a poor choice. Yes Bonnie has said she is not happy at her weight. Yes anyone who is working out and eating a big Mac on the same day is kind of hypocritical. I don't disagree with any of that. Just trying to say, sticking to an exercise routine for 2 weeks is good and healthy and that's all.
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby snowbaby95 » Tue May 22, 2018 8:47 am

HelloSweetie wrote:She said it was because she was uncomfortable, and then also said she was also put of shape. She definitely implied the whole thing was hard for her. She was also crying while working out. I have anxiety, and that sounds a lot like what she's describing to me.

Not defending Bonnie (and I don't think anyone needs defending for hiring a trainer to come to their house if that works better for them), just pointing out that it can be incredibly intimidating for some people to "just go to the gym" and that joining formal classes just isn't a feasible option for those people.


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Yea, I understand some people get anxiety over going to the gym, but the hyperventilating and crying while working out at home doesn't sound like anxiety. Sounds like she's out of shape and was upset over it, which is understandable.
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby rdt1004 » Tue May 22, 2018 9:13 am

I think a lot of people when they get into weight loss, don't really realize just how much diet and calorie intake are a huge part of it. I mean sure they know it, but I feel like it's common for people to get stuck on the exercise part more than taking a look at what they're eating and how much they're eating. I know because I used to think that way too. I've started and stopped many weight loss journeys and the ones that failed were when I was assuming "oh I worked out really hard today, this mcdonalds won't hurt too bad.." or "I worked out today and have barely eaten, 1200 calories worth of junk is still under my calorie goal." A lot of healthy eating and weight loss is about changing the way you think about foods and eating. Getting rid of those sabotaging thoughts trying to justify bad eating decisions. I've been reading the Beck Diet Solution by Judith Beck, whose father was creator of the cognitive behavioral approach to therapy. CBT is proven to be very effective in changing almost any behavior and as a psych major that's why I gave this book a chance. The book doesn't tell me what I can and can't eat, it's about changing the way I think foods so that my behavior will follow suit. I've lost 20 pounds which is the most, I've ever lost anytime I've tried. It's really great and Bonnie if you're reading this, I'd really recommend it. I don't like you that much, but I do sympathize as someone who also felt so bad about my body for long, but just couldn't seem to stick with anything long enough to change it.
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby Aurielle » Tue May 22, 2018 9:54 am

I just watched Russell (8 passengers) graduation form 2 years ago. Ruby wanted Russell to wear a button up shirt and dress pants but he didn't want to and so he didn't have to, he wasn't forced into something he didn't want to wear...I'll commend Ruby on that.
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby HelloSweetie » Tue May 22, 2018 10:29 am

Aurielle wrote:I just watched Russell (8 passengers) graduation form 2 years ago. Ruby wanted Russell to wear a button up shirt and dress pants but he didn't want to and so he didn't have to, he wasn't forced into something he didn't want to wear...I'll commend Ruby on that.


I disagree. There are times a parent should be able to tell a child what to wear. A graduation (yes, even a preschool one) is one of them. A child having a tantrum over clothes and a parent giving into that isn't something to commend. It's just a different flaw.

My children are free to wear whatever they like day in and day out (and the oldest has an embarrassing use of colour and pattern!) and but when a situation calls for a more refined appearance I will absolutely tell them what to wear. I am the parent after all, and how else will they learn to dress appropriately for certain situations?


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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby HelloSweetie » Tue May 22, 2018 10:33 am

snowbaby95 wrote:
HelloSweetie wrote:She said it was because she was uncomfortable, and then also said she was also put of shape. She definitely implied the whole thing was hard for her. She was also crying while working out. I have anxiety, and that sounds a lot like what she's describing to me.

Not defending Bonnie (and I don't think anyone needs defending for hiring a trainer to come to their house if that works better for them), just pointing out that it can be incredibly intimidating for some people to "just go to the gym" and that joining formal classes just isn't a feasible option for those people.


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Yea, I understand some people get anxiety over going to the gym, but the hyperventilating and crying while working out at home doesn't sound like anxiety. Sounds like she's out of shape and was
upset over it, which is understandable.


Really? What does anxiety look like to you. That sounds exactly like anxiety to me. Most people don't cry and hyperventilate while working out, but they do when having struggling with anxiety.

It may not make sense to you that she'd feel anxious when working out at home, but anxiety doesn't always make sense. That's why it sucks and can be debilitating for some.


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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby Todays drama » Tue May 22, 2018 10:35 am

Maybe Bonnie is jumping into the exercise routine everyday is too much, too soon. She hasn’t been exercising in a long time. She should have the trainer come starting 2 or 3 days a week and the days he doesn’t come, she could take walks around the neighborhood or park. Then when she feels able, she could add days with the trainer. To go from no exercise to everyday is not good for anyone. She could be overwhelmed and that’s why she’s crying and hyperventilating. The trainer should have suggested starting out at a slower pace. And we all like a to treat ourselves to a McDonalds now and then. I just had a nice size Dairy Queen last night with hubby, it was calling our names! Lol
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby HelloSweetie » Tue May 22, 2018 11:15 am

Todays drama wrote:Maybe Bonnie is jumping into the exercise routine everyday is too much, too soon. She hasn’t been exercising in a long time. She should have the trainer come starting 2 or 3 days a week and the days he doesn’t come, she could take walks around the neighborhood or park. Then when she feels able, she could add days with the trainer. To go from no exercise to everyday is not good for anyone. She could be overwhelmed and that’s why she’s crying and hyperventilating. The trainer should have suggested starting out at a slower pace. And we all like a to treat ourselves to a McDonalds now and then. I just had a nice size Dairy Queen last night with hubby, it was calling our names! Lol


I agree. It's too hard and she's rewarding herself with food. She'd be better off to back off a bit and put more effort into her diet and healthy eating in general.


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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby alym0326 » Tue May 22, 2018 12:25 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
Aurielle wrote:I just watched Russell (8 passengers) graduation form 2 years ago. Ruby wanted Russell to wear a button up shirt and dress pants but he didn't want to and so he didn't have to, he wasn't forced into something he didn't want to wear...I'll commend Ruby on that.


I disagree. There are times a parent should be able to tell a child what to wear. A graduation (yes, even a preschool one) is one of them. A child having a tantrum over clothes and a parent giving into that isn't something to commend. It's just a different flaw.

My children are free to wear whatever they like day in and day out (and the oldest has an embarrassing use of colour and pattern!) and but when a situation calls for a more refined appearance I will absolutely tell them what to wear. I am the parent after all, and how else will they learn to dress appropriately for certain situations?


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I agree. There are certain situations where a parent HAS to choose the outfit.


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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby onbreak » Tue May 22, 2018 12:41 pm

I think if her anxiety is that crippling, sabotaging her 'would be' weight loss results is going to spiral her into depths unimaginable. Her trainer needs to tell her real weight loss is found by having no cheat days.
1 hour of real housework would cause her heart rate to go up and maybe she'd break a sweat using some elbow grease.

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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby FakingIt_MakingIt » Tue May 22, 2018 12:45 pm

onbreak wrote:I think if her anxiety is that crippling, sabotaging her 'would be' weight loss results is going to spiral her into depths unimaginable. Her trainer needs to tell her real weight loss is found by having no cheat days.
1 hour of real housework would cause her heart rate to go up and maybe she'd break a sweat using some elbow grease.

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Housework!!?? That's what Bree is for!
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby snowbaby95 » Tue May 22, 2018 1:20 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:Really? What does anxiety look like to you. That sounds exactly like anxiety to me. Most people don't cry and hyperventilate while working out, but they do when having struggling with anxiety.

It may not make sense to you that she'd feel anxious when working out at home, but anxiety doesn't always make sense. That's why it sucks and can be debilitating for some.


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Hyperventilating and then crying can very easily be explained by what I literally just said- being out of shape and then getting upset and discouraged by it. I have anxiety and maybe Bonnie does, but this doesn't look like an instance where she was anxious over a workout.

Have you never seen an overweight and out of shape person work out for the first few times? They're usually hyperventilating, red, and exhausted... it makes sense she'd cry from how hard the workout was for her. I've also seen overweight people cry that they want to stop working out when it's hard for them.

Maybe she was having an anxiety attack, but it doesn't sound like it.
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby Elvi » Tue May 22, 2018 2:04 pm

Honestly, instead of pushing herself to work out when she doesn’t even seem to be into working out, she should focus more on what she’s eating and then incorporate more walking during the day or some exercises for toning. I’ve never been able to lose weight by just working out; it takes a lot to actually work out, you gotta be truly motivated to do it and push yourself- not everyone can do it.

It’s always been 80% healthier choices with the food I eat and 20% being more active - walking, yoga, easy toning exercises, nothing too crazy. So Bonnie if you read here, why don’t you try this, start with your food, drink more water, lower those carbs and junk food and you will see a huge difference. It’s actually pretty simple unless you have other issues that prevent you from losing weight.


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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby RootBeerFloatie » Tue May 22, 2018 3:19 pm

I don't judge her for being uncomfortable at the gym or for eating a Big Mac--those are very normal, unhealthy sure but still normal, and we'd all be lying if we said we haven't cheated when trying to get healthy. It's got to be a lifestyle change, and it's a very hard transition at first.

I just don't get why she vlogged eating the McDonald's. Don't cry about the gym and then show yourself eating fast food in the same vlog. Some things should be kept a secret!
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby decdu » Tue May 22, 2018 4:24 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
snowbaby95 wrote:
HelloSweetie wrote:She said it was because she was uncomfortable, and then also said she was also put of shape. She definitely implied the whole thing was hard for her. She was also crying while working out. I have anxiety, and that sounds a lot like what she's describing to me.

Not defending Bonnie (and I don't think anyone needs defending for hiring a trainer to come to their house if that works better for them), just pointing out that it can be incredibly intimidating for some people to "just go to the gym" and that joining formal classes just isn't a feasible option for those people.


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Yea, I understand some people get anxiety over going to the gym, but the hyperventilating and crying while working out at home doesn't sound like anxiety. Sounds like she's out of shape and was
upset over it, which is understandable.


Really? What does anxiety look like to you. That sounds exactly like anxiety to me. Most people don't cry and hyperventilate while working out, but they do when having struggling with anxiety.

It may not make sense to you that she'd feel anxious when working out at home, but anxiety doesn't always make sense. That's why it sucks and can be debilitating for some.


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I don't know why we’re always so quick to diagnose people with mental illnesses on this site. I cried and hyperventilated the first time I worked out after having a baby because it was tough and made me realise how weak I've become, nothing to do with anxiety! It very well could be but unless she describes it to be that we shouldn't be quick to diagnose.

I don't hate on her for hiring a trainer, I think it's great, she’ll learn about proper fitness and what works for her, and it will keep her accountable. getting a big mac and large fries is ridiculous and as someone said just counter productive! We all do it but not 2 weeks in, I usually am on a diet for longer than 2 weeks to feel like I can cave to such cravings plus we’ve seen her a few days ago eat popsicles so idk if she's sticking to a healthy meal plan. Working out won't do much if she's not eating well! abs are made in the kitchen!


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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby rdt1004 » Tue May 22, 2018 5:37 pm

I once heard this saying and I forget where but it stuck with me, "it's easier to eat yourself out of a bad exercise habit, than it is to exercise yourself out of a bad eating habit." You have to work out a ton and at super intense levels to lose weight and be able to eat whatever you want. You can lose weight much easier by just being conscious of what and how much you're eating and just increasing activity level slightly. Small amounts of junk here and there won't kill you, but food as a reward or thinking of something as "cheating" can be harmful to the way you're thinking about food. But complete restriction backfires too because one day you'll cave because you're denying yourself and then feel really shitty about yourself because of the high expectations you set. Been there, and still working through it lol. It's a tricky balance.
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby natalka81 » Tue May 22, 2018 5:57 pm

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I don't know why we’re always so quick to diagnose people with mental illnesses on this site. I cried and hyperventilated the first time I worked out after having a baby because it was tough and made me realise how weak I've become, nothing to do with anxiety! It very well could be but unless she describes it to be that we shouldn't be quick to diagnose.

I don't hate on her for hiring a trainer, I think it's great, she’ll learn about proper fitness and what works for her, and it will keep her accountable. getting a big mac and large fries is ridiculous and as someone said just counter productive! We all do it but not 2 weeks in, I usually am on a diet for longer than 2 weeks to feel like I can cave to such cravings plus we’ve seen her a few days ago eat popsicles so idk if she's sticking to a healthy meal plan. Working out won't do much if she's not eating well! abs are made in the kitchen!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Suggesting someone might be hyperventilating because of anxiety does not, in my opinion, equal diagnosing them with a mental illness.
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby snowbaby95 » Tue May 22, 2018 6:29 pm

natalka81 wrote:Suggesting someone might be hyperventilating because of anxiety does not, in my opinion, equal diagnosing them with a mental illness.


Well, anxiety is a serious mental disorder and it's used way too frequently on here to excuse people's behaviors, imo. Not everything has to be explained away because of some hypothetical mental disorder.
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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby HelloSweetie » Tue May 22, 2018 6:43 pm

snowbaby95 wrote:
natalka81 wrote:Suggesting someone might be hyperventilating because of anxiety does not, in my opinion, equal diagnosing them with a mental illness.


Well, anxiety is a serious mental disorder and it's used way too frequently on here to excuse people's behaviors, imo. Not everything has to be explained away because of some hypothetical mental disorder.


Not everything needs to be explained away, but this certainly sounds like she's anxious (or intimidated) about the gym.

Not everything needs to be demonized either.




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Re: Bonnie Hoellein: Plastic Polyester Princess | Part 16

Postby winniewise » Tue May 22, 2018 6:54 pm

It cracked me up when Bonnie said to Ellie something about how they haven't been out to eat together in a long time! Hahaha! You mean besides the two times just in the past week?

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