Taina Licciardo-Toivola

[Lyanna]

It would make sense that he is deaf given in the DITL video all 4 kids were awake and making noise and he was just lying in bed still.

Must be how he survives her insanity

Although I can pretend I can't hear my kids either in the morning lol.
Where did she mention he was deaf?

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Nowhere. Lizpuff was just responding to my previous comment where I made this assumption but without any proof. Just that I think that would explain a little more the family dynamic.

[Dibs]

They don't own the house, they apparently rent it from a relative or a friend. Maybe the rent is cheap. The house was for sale back in November but disappeared from the listings - maybe sold, maybe just pulled. They are hinting to be moving back to Australia but who knows when that would be.

Benefits in Finland scale by the size of your family so a family this big can get quite a lot. Some people believe that's all their income but I don't personally think so. A family that big also spends a lot of on food alone. All their stuff is nice, expensive and branded, they can afford to travel and buy season tickets to ski slope, music lessons etc. Mother in law is apparently a prophet touring the world but judging by google she seems to mainly tour Finland.

It all seems very prosperity theology, not at all conservative christian. How that fits with the doomsday stuff I don't know.

I do think the videos are totally staged. She surely dresses them especially for them. When they had all the the toys out it was like an adult had purposefully taken them out and organized them in sections on the table and floor. And she's constantly directing them from behind the camera.

[lizpuff2006]

Just watched the nappy gang video. In it, she talks to Paul and calls to him and he answers. So the guy can hear

[Guest]

I just found this vlog and have only watched about 5 vlogs.
What is the critter on the floor next to the wall at 2:20 of today's vlog? At first I thought a kitten... But then it looked more wild and reptilian?

I just went and looked at that, I don’t even know what animal that could have been? It’s weird because if it was a cat I feel like one would see it in the videos before just now, it looked odd.

That looks like the top of a kid’s head on the stairs going down. The little one with dreads, I think. The “tail” looked like a dread.

Oh you are right! That is so bizarre. Now that you pointed it out I can see what you are saying.

[emilythebookworm]

I feel like maybe some of their income comes from the mother in law...she is the leader of some kind of religious group, considering some religious leader can become rich from being a leader (depending on size of congregation and how much donations they recieve) this would imo explain how they afford such a large home. Maybe their reason for being in Finland is religious purposes? Like missionary work or something? But then again in some comment (I forget which video) she replied saying they aren’t as religious as you might think? Or something to that effect.. which I don’t think is true, since correct me if I’m wrong, Jenna and Leonardo met at church. Plus the dad and all his doomsday talk on his Facebook and videos. Additionally, they named their child KingJames... which I’m assuming is after the king James version of the bible. No non religious person names their child after the bible.

I also think her videos are heavily staged in various scenes, like the toys, all the toys appeared to be just poured out of a bin, deliberately placed around the room. If the children were to actually have made the mess the different toys would probably have been mixed around, not each type of toy in a different area of the room. Also weird when Taina was like “who’s going to help mommy clean”, yet she was nowhere to be seen when the kids were cleaning. She was obviously behind the camera telling them what to do, likely bribing them and bossing them to clean it.

[Dibs]

Maybe she means they are not typical conservative christians or something. They are clearly religious but not quite your typical fundies.

My main doubt about the mother in law as source of riches is that she apparently tours Finland and Sweden every summer speaking. That doesn't sound lucrative AT ALL. Nordic countries are really secular and most local fundies are laestadians or maybe adventists. I can't imagine there being much of a market for a prophetess (sorry but lol).

I don't think Australia is that into it either but at least it's a bigger country so it can maybe fit more nutters.

http://www.jesuslightsministries.com is the page of her cult.

[Clemence08]

I was watching some of their videos, because I hadnt seen them before

Now, I dont want to be out of line but I was watching Aussie Finnish Sauna night, where they are waiting for the snow to be put inside...and Im worried about the 2 younger boys bodies, I know this sounds so bad
But their posture and distended stomach looks really..different? Or maybe im just used to kids being chubbier..

(first time poster)

[emilythebookworm]

Maybe she means they are not typical conservative christians or something. They are clearly religious but not quite your typical fundies.

My main doubt about the mother in law as source of riches is that she apparently tours Finland and Sweden every summer speaking. That doesn't sound lucrative AT ALL. Nordic countries are really secular and most local fundies are laestadians or maybe adventists. I can't imagine there being much of a market for a prophetess (sorry but lol).

I don't think Australia is that into it either but at least it's a bigger country so it can maybe fit more nutters.

http://www.jesuslightsministries.com is the page of her cult.

She apparently has a church in Australia, I am not sure how big it is. But even in typical churches missionaries for example will have their accommodations paid for when doing missionary work, by their church. So it is still possible that their church pays for some of their living. I understand now what you mean about it not being exactly a great location for this, but as stated before they do attend a church (probably with the same beliefs) meaning there are followers of this cult in Finland, for example. A quote from her website you linked “Marie has a compassion to train and equip the saints so they too will be effective ministers of the Gospel” this furthers my point that maybe they’re the “saints”. Idk just a thought. They’re probably just on government assistance as their primary income, just thought this was an interesting idea to entertain, which I think still could be a somewhat possibility. Although I doubt it more now that I’ve read your points.

[Sweetiebee]

Why do you all think it's a cult?

[Dibs]

I think someone local said they attend to "free church" in Finland which is an old (100years or so) revivalist organization of about 16000 members but not affiliated with their MIL except that she may have given talks in some of the involved congregations. Marie Licciardo seems to visit various different revivalist organizations when she tours here. I think it's fairly minor but people seem to have a good impression of her.

I found her fb page. It has 703 likes. Not very active though - last updated in 2013. She was holding weekly prophetic meetings in Brisbane with 1-3 people marked as attending.

I think people call it a cult more based on husband's END IS NEAR ravings and cultlike white clothing than based on anything we know about Marie Licciardo. The more I look into this, the more it seems likr just another charismatic preacher. It doesn't seem closed enough to be a cult IMO.

She has really scary hair.

[celestialll]

You can tell that it's staged by the older kids' interactions. they seem awkward. the younger kids seem normal and i'm sure she's a good mom, they're cared for, etc. i think this youtube thing was planned very carefully. and the q+a is not going up for a while because it keeps the interest.

[melaniieee333]

I actually really like this family. I'm not a fan of veganism, or white and demin only clothes, but the kids are loved and cared for. In the 'hide and seek' video you could see how she plays hide and seek with her kids alot cause she was talking to Jenna 'sometimes they hide in the bath and I walk in and don't notice them.'
I like how she Values her kids privacy and this was seen by her blurring aphrodite when she was topless- doesn't feel the need to include everything. Unapologetically herself, makes no apologies- take them or leave them family, not ridiculous doing 'ten kids spend 24 hours in the bathroom' challenge kind of thing that usually gets alot of traction on youtube.
The kids are loved and cared for. Sure having ten kids isn't 'normal' and their names are a bit unusual but I do get the sense the kids are loved and cared for. I also like how she staggers her videos so no one knows what day or where they were- another way of protecting privacy. It's also nice to see the kids eating healthy as well- as seen by how a tomato with salt and a banana is considered 'junk food' on Taina's latest IG story.

[agosc]

I actually really like this family. I'm not a fan of veganism, or white and demin only clothes, but the kids are loved and cared for. In the 'hide and seek' video you could see how she plays hide and seek with her kids alot cause she was talking to Jenna 'sometimes they hide in the bath and I walk in and don't notice them.'
I like how she Values her kids privacy and this was seen by her blurring aphrodite when she was topless- doesn't feel the need to include everything. Unapologetically herself, makes no apologies- take them or leave them family, not ridiculous doing 'ten kids spend 24 hours in the bathroom' challenge kind of thing that usually gets alot of traction on youtube.
The kids are loved and cared for. Sure having ten kids isn't 'normal' and their names are a bit unusual but I do get the sense the kids are loved and cared for. I also like how she staggers her videos so no one knows what day or where they were- another way of protecting privacy. It's also nice to see the kids eating healthy as well- as seen by how a tomato with salt and a banana is considered 'junk food' on Taina's latest IG story.

I just wanted to say that she only blurred Aphrodite because the video was taken down before because of it. It wasn't blurred, it's now because ...money

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[queenb8291]

I highly doubt staggering her videos has to do with privacy. Videos take time to edit and it is obvious she isn’t making them daily or in a rush to post them.
Also everyone is so surprised 10 kids. I grew up in a family 15 and most my cousins had family on average od 8-12 This is normal to me!
You all drive me nuts here. So many of you are so narrow minded. Sorry

[Vienna_cake]

I highly doubt staggering her videos has to do with privacy. Videos take time to edit and it is obvious she isn’t making them daily or in a rush to post them.
Also everyone is so surprised 10 kids. I grew up in a family 15 and most my cousins had family on average od 8-12 This is normal to me!
You all drive me nuts here. So many of you are so narrow minded. Sorry

I’m sorry, but we don’t know you and where you are from and thus not familiar with the norms there. Most of us, from what I can tell, come from either North America, Europe or Australia. And in these regions having 10 kids is an extremely rare occurrence therefore we are surprised. Please forgive us

[Sweetiebee]

I highly doubt staggering her videos has to do with privacy. Videos take time to edit and it is obvious she isn’t making them daily or in a rush to post them.
Also everyone is so surprised 10 kids. I grew up in a family 15 and most my cousins had family on average od 8-12 This is normal to me!
You all drive me nuts here. So many of you are so narrow minded. Sorry

Feel free to drive yourself right on outta here! RUDE!

[HeyKatie]

Well that new video was stupid af! Who wants to just sit there and watch kids eat for 10 mins?


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[Lyanna]

I highly doubt staggering her videos has to do with privacy. Videos take time to edit and it is obvious she isn’t making them daily or in a rush to post them.
Also everyone is so surprised 10 kids. I grew up in a family 15 and most my cousins had family on average od 8-12 This is normal to me!
You all drive me nuts here. So many of you are so narrow minded. Sorry

I used to live right next to a family with 13 kids. You can say what you want but these kind of families are not common at least here in Europe and everytime she was out with her kids people would look at her. Not necessarily being mean, just curious and surprised.
And the woman I'm talking about was extremely organised, genuine and nurturing. I loved being around her and her kids. But she wasn't selling her kids images on the internet to make a living, she was very protective of them as she was religious. The kids were all well behaved without being blanket trained...
I just don't get that kind of vibe from Taina. Everything is so staged and she screams fame hungry to me. Also it appears like Taina does litteraly everything and her husband does nothing, he's just a useless bum who impregnate his wife every year or so. Since they put their lives out here we're free to comment and speak our minds.

[lizpuff2006]

Look at Jess from Jesssfam. She has 5 sometimes 7 kids on her and she still gets people staring at her and asking if they are all hers. 10 kids is very odd here in the US. On top of that, all of them in matching clothing and marching down the street with the "mom" looking like an older sister hanging in the back to film.... that has to be something to gawk at

[MamaBear1020]

My question is, did she literally physically give birth to all 10 of those kids?? So she has been pregnant for 20 years straight? I just cannot....