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FakingIt_MakingIt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:54 pm
I wonder what made Katie draw the line? Her own journey to getting healthier? Because according to Cullen she knew while they were dating he was into drugs, so she not only stayed with him (after a brief breakup), but married him and very actively chose to have 2 kids with him. If she hadn't gone on a path of self improvement would she care? If she was still drinking and staying up all night with him while he did drugs and drank Cullen wouldn't be talking about any of this. She would still be hanging out with the kids while he went and picked his drugs up, they would still be staying up late drinking (and at least one of them doing drugs) while the kids slept upstairs.
This is a good question. If their relationship has been so tumultuous from the get go, what made her say enough? And what made him realize he had to do something bc she was for real this time.
This also brings up another question... Is Cullen doing this bc HE wants it and is ready to change or is it bc KATIE wants it?? It won't ever work if it's not on his terms.
FakingIt_MakingIt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:54 pm
I wonder what made Katie draw the line? Her own journey to getting healthier? Because according to Cullen she knew while they were dating he was into drugs, so she not only stayed with him (after a brief breakup), but married him and very actively chose to have 2 kids with him. If she hadn't gone on a path of self improvement would she care? If she was still drinking and staying up all night with him while he did drugs and drank Cullen wouldn't be talking about any of this. She would still be hanging out with the kids while he went and picked his drugs up, they would still be staying up late drinking (and at least one of them doing drugs) while the kids slept upstairs.
This is a good question. If their relationship has been so tumultuous from the get go, what made her say enough? And what made him realize he had to do something bc she was for real this time.
This also brings up another question... Is Cullen doing this bc HE wants it and is ready to change or is it bc KATIE wants it?? It won't ever work if it's not on his terms.
I don't think Cullen wants it. He isn't even admitting yet the full extent of his issues (not to us, to himself) he seems to think he can still drink and its not a problem, soon enough he will think he can still smoke weed on weekends and its not a problem, then during the week, so on and so on until he right back to where he was a few days ago.
Even his sister was pretty up front with him about it only being 10 days and he needs to slow down. He's acting like he's been clean for years and is slowly starting to drink when out to dinners.
Something else i'm just thinking of... Cullen says they have been lying and covering things up on the vlogs for years. Remember back, not long after howard died, when there was a vlog where Cullen was completely absent and you could just tell something wasn't sitting right with Katie. Gaines was still an infant, which would have been around the time Cullen admitted to drinking a case of beer a day. That was the first time we had seen a big crack in the happy family front. There were tons of speculations about him just being off bc he had just lost his dad, or maybe something having to do with Britney bc she was still in jail.... now i wonder if he just had a really bad binder and he was either sick or Katie made him leave or he left to "cool down" (aka go smoke weed) after a fight they had. This must have been one of the first "super lows" we all caught.
FakingIt_MakingIt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:54 pm
I wonder what made Katie draw the line? Her own journey to getting healthier? Because according to Cullen she knew while they were dating he was into drugs, so she not only stayed with him (after a brief breakup), but married him and very actively chose to have 2 kids with him. If she hadn't gone on a path of self improvement would she care? If she was still drinking and staying up all night with him while he did drugs and drank Cullen wouldn't be talking about any of this. She would still be hanging out with the kids while he went and picked his drugs up, they would still be staying up late drinking (and at least one of them doing drugs) while the kids slept upstairs.
This is a good question. If their relationship has been so tumultuous from the get go, what made her say enough? And what made him realize he had to do something bc she was for real this time.
This also brings up another question... Is Cullen doing this bc HE wants it and is ready to change or is it bc KATIE wants it?? It won't ever work if it's not on his terms.
I don't think Cullen wants it. He isn't even admitting yet the full extent of his issues (not to us, to himself) he seems to think he can still drink and its not a problem, soon enough he will think he can still smoke weed on weekends and its not a problem, then during the week, so on and so on until he right back to where he was a few days ago.
Even his sister was pretty up front with him about it only being 10 days and he needs to slow down. He's acting like he's been clean for years and is slowly starting to drink when out to dinners.
I hope that Britney isn't working as his sponsor. She admitted that she "picks and chooses" what she takes from the AA/NA teachings. Yes, that can certainly work for some people, as we have seen people here talk about their personal recoveries... BUT i do think that he needs to start out with his getting clean BY THE BOOK... which means NOTHING, no drinking, no smoking.. nothing, Then after some time and self reflection, if he is able to drink socially again then whatever. I'm glad Britney called him out on that and i hope that she gets real with him and tells him that just bc that works for her, doesn't mean it will work for him, and that she has been on this road for a lot longer than he has and even she knows he's getting ahead of himself.
Playsinrain wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:19 pm
Something else i'm just thinking of... Cullen says they have been lying and covering things up on the vlogs for years. Remember back, not long after howard died, when there was a vlog where Cullen was completely absent and you could just tell something wasn't sitting right with Katie. Gaines was still an infant, which would have been around the time Cullen admitted to drinking a case of beer a day. That was the first time we had seen a big crack in the happy family front. There were tons of speculations about him just being off bc he had just lost his dad, or maybe something having to do with Britney bc she was still in jail.... now i wonder if he just had a really bad binder and he was either sick or Katie made him leave or he left to "cool down" (aka go smoke weed) after a fight they had. This must have been one of the first "super lows" we all caught.
I would imagine it was drug related. But I don't get the impression that Katie has ever kicked him out, just that he's chosen to leave on his own. Whether for some space or to go somewhere to do drugs more freely.
Also, when Brittney got out of jail so many of us here, myself included, speculated that Katie was having a hard time warming up to her because of the drug issues. I wonder if she really did? Did she worry Brittney would make things worse, after all Cullen admits to Brittney getting him into cocaine, or did she really not worry because she already lived with and didn't think the drugs were a big deal? Or did she view Cullen as perfect and without faults like she views herself? Its interesting to think back now, so many of our observations were spot on, and its quite funny they think they hid it so well.
HelloSweetie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:28 pm
Listen to the latest podcast. Cullen is doing his best to dismiss things, but he also says a few more things I think Katie will take issue with. It seems to me hat he’s stuck between his sister’s willingness to be open, and Katie’s need to maintain the perfect image. B comes across as far more authentic than Cullen. He tries to be open, but it’s pretty honest he catches himself and then tries to minimize what he just said.
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I think Katie is in the room with them too, i heard some coughs in the background that were not from B or C... maybe he would feel more comfortable if she wasn't there, but i assume after the bombshell last week, she wasn't taking any chances on not being there for what he had to say. This bothers me too. If she's so adamant that this is his story and his struggle and people are only allowed to ask him things, then why is she policing what he says?? She can't have it both ways.
At one point there was clapping for something Britt said and she thanked her friend. She said his name but I can't for the life of me remember it. Cullen did say at one point Katie I'm sorry if you're listening to this and hearing it instead of it coming straight from me so I don't think she was there.
I don’t think Katie was there either. I do t think she’s appreciate him pointing out that she knew when he was going to buy drugs and bring them back to the house. I also do t think he would have revealed the info about blocking the drug dealer’s number then if he wasn’t going to be able to tell her before she heard it when everyone else would.
I think Cullen is lying about something. He says he missed the dabbing craze with weed... I did my first dab in 2011. It’s been big for years. If he was smoking weed last week then what does he mean he missed the dab wave of weed smoking? 2016-2018 were huge years for dabbing and that’s when Cullen has had all his usage issues... I don’t know what he’s doing but that was really odd to me.
They are both VERY defensive and angry seeming based on the comments they are reacting too. These weren’t even haters, just comments from previously supportive fans...
Honestly don’t understand the big hype about smoking weed? Do they realize it’s legal 20+ states... that the reason I think he’s lying. They make it sound like he’s doing pills or hard drugs when it’s just weed?
I mean most people in legal states smoke weed every night! I mean it’s prescribed for insomnia and anxiety. All this hype over weed... someone please help me understand
Mylifenolimits wrote:Honestly don’t understand the big hype about smoking weed? Do they realize it’s legal 20+ states... that the reason I think he’s lying. They make it sound like he’s doing pills or hard drugs when it’s just weed?
I mean most people in legal states smoke weed every night! I mean it’s prescribed for insomnia and anxiety. All this hype over weed... someone please help me understand
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Because he’s trying to dial back the severity so they can return to their “perfect and happy family” image for Katie.
Next Jared is going to come out with his “addiction” to Dr Pepper. Just two wholesome boys recovering together.
The issue is alcohol and maybe pain pills. He can’t come out and say that it’s alcohol though, or people will call he and Katie out for continuing to drink... like in the most recent vlog.
Wow. Never would I have pictured Cullen doing cocaine, but here we are.
I know everyone chooses their significant other for all different reasons but drugs like cocaine? Hard no right there. I wouldn’t even date a guy who smoked regular cigarettes.
Katie knew what was happening and still let him continue (unless I misread)? Yikes...
Cullen uploaded an instastory where he had taken a bite of Gaines' fudgesicle. He said he took a bite "to make sure it wasn't poisoned", and Katie says "Yeah, sometimes parents have to do that". Gaines is at an age where it's hard to tell fantasy from reality. And Katie should know that, being Ms. PhD. Why would they put those thoughts in her head? Once she's a little older, it would be fine.
I’m just barely caught up on all of these posts. Is he seeking professional medical treatment to detox? Does he have a psychiatrist or some kind of drug and alcohol counselor? If he is an alcoholic, from what I’ve learned, detoxing off of alcohol can become deadly. Cullen has always naturally gotten a high when starting something new. So that’s why I’m wondering - if he’s detoxing and recovering on his own, and maybe with the guidance of his now sober sister, that spells a recipe for disaster.
Thank you to everyone who took the time to recap the latest podcast.
I agree that I would be very surprised if he’s talking about just pot and alcohol currently. It sounds like he will get hooked on anything that is placed in front of him (cocaine, pain pills, etc.), so I think it spiraled out of control, or would have escalated quickly if it hadn’t already. I don’t live in a legal state, but buying pot isn’t exactly the kind of drug that makes you worry about being killed or arrested? And why be so secretive and defensive? They talked about pot and alcohol from the get-go but then seemed very defensive about naming what exactly he is addicted to.
I don’t understand why they went public and then reacted so harshly towards basic questions about what he is addicted to. Just be honest. And being so defensive about never doing heroin…aren’t pain pills opioids? Britany seemed to realize this, but Cullen seemed clueless.
I remember in her Q&A video Katie said that she was moved by the stories people were sharing about growing up in a home with addiction, and how they wanted to avoid that. She very much wants to present the image that they caught this early and are nipping it in the bud so to speak, when it sounds like things have been out of control for some time. They don’t seem to realize that they ARE that couple like Howard and Berry fighting over drugs and alcohol. Cullen is that dad who is an addict. If you’re drinking heavily every night, and your husband is buying drugs and bringing it back to the home you share with your kids, you might be raising children in a house with addiction. I’m sure at least their oldest can pick up on the tension, the difference in dad when he’s high versus when he’s sober, the fact that mom and dad are fighting, that dad disappears for days at a time, etc.
Honestly, it sounds like he’s been dealing with mental health problems and addiction for their entire relationship, and rather than confront him and try to get him help, she was complicit and left him to his own devices. Again, not saying it was her job to “fix” him, having to constantly rein in a grown adult must be exhausting. But she married him and had kids with him? It's very clear to me from Cullen's past why he married someone who was willing to parent him and act like his mother. I still think she needs to take a good, hard look at herself and figure out why she made the choices she did. Hopefully now she is actively telling him to seek professional help (and not just this “Jesus will fix it” stuff) and is prepared to do what is best for her and the kids if he refuses. I just don't think their parent/child dynamic works anymore and they aren't compatible.
I’m not saying they can’t turn their life around and recover, but there seems to be about as much denial and defensiveness as there is candor and honestly in their videos lately. Even Britany, who seems a lot more realistic, is claiming she’s 15 years sober from cocaine, but fails to mention that she was fresh out of prison for selling pot in the mail when she started her channel, and was busted for meth in said prison back in 2015. I actually do find them interesting to listen to when they discuss the past and their addiction on the podcast.
wishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:54 pm
Wow. Never would I have pictured Cullen doing cocaine, but here we are.
I know everyone chooses their significant other for all different reasons but drugs like cocaine? Hard no right there. I wouldn’t even date a guy who smoked regular cigarettes.
Katie knew what was happening and still let him continue (unless I misread)? Yikes...
Katie knew he was smoking weed and drinking, and let that continue. Bc she wanted him to be happy and thought that was the answer. The cocaine use was back in the Tallahassee days (and before it seems, when he was still living at home with Britney) and Katie dumped him over it. (About 2 years into their dating) She took him back when he chose her over the drugs. That was when he says “she saved my life”. Bc Britney didn’t stop at that time and became a heavy coke user.
wishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:54 pm
Wow. Never would I have pictured Cullen doing cocaine, but here we are.
I know everyone chooses their significant other for all different reasons but drugs like cocaine? Hard no right there. I wouldn’t even date a guy who smoked regular cigarettes.
Katie knew what was happening and still let him continue (unless I misread)? Yikes...
Katie knew he was smoking weed and drinking, and let that continue. Bc she wanted him to be happy and thought that was the answer. The cocaine use was back in the Tallahassee days (and before it seems, when he was still living at home with Britney) and Katie dumped him over it. (About 2 years into their dating) She took him back when he chose her over the drugs. That was when he says “she saved my life”. Bc Britney didn’t stop at that time and became a heavy coke user.
Let’s be clear though. He didn’t choose Katie over the drugs. He hid what he was doing... and she is just supposed to believe he never touched cocaine again? Ok. So he’d lie about everything else, but it was ok because it wasn’t that one drug?
Katie knew he was a party boy when she met him. She knew he smoked week, drank to excess, and was willing to dabble in other areas. She didn’t pick Cullen expecting the country club life. I think she picked Cullen because she could control him. This isn’t an addiction that just formed in the last year like she’s saying. He’s always had issues with something. There must be a part of Katie that was drawn to his party boy lifestyle for some reason. Definitely getting harder to argue that Katie wasn’t a part of that herself at some point. I never did drugs, and there was NO WAY I was going to get myself involved with someone who experimented a lot. That world must have been at least a little familiar to her.
wishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:54 pm
Wow. Never would I have pictured Cullen doing cocaine, but here we are.
I know everyone chooses their significant other for all different reasons but drugs like cocaine? Hard no right there. I wouldn’t even date a guy who smoked regular cigarettes.
Katie knew what was happening and still let him continue (unless I misread)? Yikes...
Katie knew he was smoking weed and drinking, and let that continue. Bc she wanted him to be happy and thought that was the answer. The cocaine use was back in the Tallahassee days (and before it seems, when he was still living at home with Britney) and Katie dumped him over it. (About 2 years into their dating) She took him back when he chose her over the drugs. That was when he says “she saved my life”. Bc Britney didn’t stop at that time and became a heavy coke user.
Let’s be clear though. He didn’t choose Katie over the drugs. He hid what he was doing... and she is just supposed to believe he never touched cocaine again? Ok. So he’d lie about everything else, but it was ok because it wasn’t that one drug?
Katie knew he was a party boy when she met him. She knew he smoked week, drank to excess, and was willing to dabble in other areas. She didn’t pick Cullen expecting the country club life. I think she picked Cullen because she could control him. This isn’t an addiction that just formed in the last year like she’s saying. He’s always had issues with something. There must be a part of Katie that was drawn to his party boy lifestyle for some reason. Definitely getting harder to argue that Katie wasn’t a part of that herself at some point. I never did drugs, and there was NO WAY I was going to get myself involved with someone who experimented a lot. That world must have been at least a little familiar to her.
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Oh I agree completely!!!! She wasn’t as dumb to all this as she wants one to think. And these problems DID NOT pop up in the past year for sure. He admitted to having addiction issues or tendencies all the way back to high school. I was just clearing up what he had said in the podcast. How much of that is true is yet to be known. I was just saying that he wasn’t doing coke (that we know of) and Katie was just ok with it,(in the recent past) in the podcast it was the weed and booze she was letting him get away with.
I definitely agree she partly chose Cullen because she could control him. My marriage sadly has very similar themes to theirs- and I know it's true for me- the more I've done therapy. For me- I think I needed to fix someone broken I could control because I wasn't able to control my father and his lifestyle choices when I was a child and he ended up dying from type I diabetes when I was 6. I don't know much about Katie's childhood honestly- but there's got to be something there.
I also think she has always been a problem drinker- and being with another problem drinker made her be able to feel more comfortable with her own poor relationship with alcohol.
I actually do think the other reason Katie chose Cullen was she very much adored his personality. I truly believe they genuinely enjoy each other more than most spouses do. They are very natural together compared to most YouTube couples. I think that's really evident in their interactions. If she's anything like me- she is questioning if that amazing connection is worth all she's been through choosing someone with so many demons- and I have to think that the answer to that will be determined by if he truly stays in recovery and gets the therapy he needs. He needs at least 3 years of working through childhood trauma to change his way of coping - if not lifelong therapy for the rest of his life. Which there is nothing wrong with. Therapy is a gift to yourself.
