Steps to Avoiding Responsibility - Part 5

[lavenderlove]

Oh one other thing.

This "stress" that she refers to? Oh my God, I roll my eyes. That's LIFE stuff, but she acts like she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I love people that improperly use the word "anxiety". No, that's not anxiety, that's normal life. People that truly suffer with anxiety should be pissed at people like her throwing around that term incorrectly. It's like the trendy word to use, and that sucks for people who are really dealing with it.

Their "stress":
-"just got off the road" : using an RV and house in Hawaii that wasn't theirs. Not having to pay rent, must be nice!
-"bouncing from house to house" : mooching off everyone they can, probably not paying rent, or at least not having to pay for all the regular bills, like electric, water, gas, internet, cable, trash. Wouldn't that be so nice if we all didn't have to worry about those pesky bills?
-"the CRAAAZY house hunting" : they put in 2 offers, one didn't get accepted, the other did. And everything since has been smooth sailing. I'd say that's a dream scenario for buying a first home.
- they prubsbly aren't paying the full down payment. I'm almost positive they had to get a cosigner.
-and a TTC journey of about 3 months.

Oh my gosh you guys! How do they cope with ALL. THAT. STESS. They ate seriously inspirational.

But like someone else said, maybe there's more stuff behind the scenes. Drama with her mom and cirbin? Her and Corbin's mom? Tensions with staying with the inlaws? Unstable income because they both want to stay home all day and won't get jobs? Corbin just being a dick? Maybe. But that's nothing compared to real problems that some people have to deal with. The amount of sympathy I have for these two: ZERO.

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[Steps_to_STFU]

These two are rage inducing. Kelsey is a fucking mindless moron. She knows absolutely nothing about anything. All this bullshit and testing because she is infertile in her mine and when the doctor tells her how to fix it she Google researches and chooses not to take the meds. What is their fucking deal! One moment they need medical intervention. The next they shun it. Idiots.

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[ewokfan11]

Oh one other thing.

This "stress" that she refers to? Oh my God, I roll my eyes. That's LIFE stuff, but she acts like she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I love people that improperly use the word "anxiety". No, that's not anxiety, that's normal life. People that truly suffer with anxiety should be pissed at people like her throwing around that term incorrectly. It's like the trendy word to use, and that sucks for people who are really dealing with it.

Their "stress":
-"just got off the road" : using an RV and house in Hawaii that wasn't theirs. Not having to pay rent, must be nice!
-"bouncing from house to house" : mooching off everyone they can, probably not paying rent, or at least not having to pay for all the regular bills, like electric, water, gas, internet, cable, trash. Wouldn't that be so nice if we all didn't have to worry about those pesky bills?
-"the CRAAAZY house hunting" : they put in 2 offers, one didn't get accepted, the other did. And everything since has been smooth sailing. I'd say that's a dream scenario for buying a first home.
- they prubsbly aren't paying the full down payment. I'm almost positive they had to get a cosigner.
-and a TTC journey of about 3 months.

Oh my gosh you guys! How do they cope with ALL. THAT. STESS. They ate seriously inspirational.

But like someone else said, maybe there's more stuff behind the scenes. Drama with her mom and cirbin? Her and Corbin's mom? Tensions with staying with the inlaws? Unstable income because they both want to stay home all day and won't get jobs? Corbin just being a dick? Maybe. But that's nothing compared to real problems that some people have to deal with. The amount of sympathy I have for these two: ZERO.

This was EXACTLY what I was thinking when she was complaining about being so stressed out. Their problems are pretty basic. I had a much more difficult time getting my first house (I must have put in 5-6 offers before one was accepted in a sellers' market), but I never found it very stressful. In fact, they only part I even bothered worrying about was the inspection and it was fine. Of course, I'm an organized person and Kelsey even admits they aren't organized at all—and that makes life in general a lot more stressful.

I think most of Kelsey's stress come from Corbin being a lunatic. He's obviously ready to move out of their parents' houses. I bet he's been a nightmare to deal with since they've been back in Idaho.

[Pyro1309]

It makes me so angry that they’re trying to profit off a fake infertility journey.


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[HashtagBlessed]

I agree that they're not in a good position to have another child based on everything we've already highlighted, but I also think she's in a state of denial because so far the CNM hasn't told her what she wants to hear, and that just doesn't compute for Kelsey. Rather than investigate further, whether that's seeing a specialist or tracking ovulation, she just shuts down. It's ridiculous that she's discouraging her viewers from getting a copper IUD when she is far too ignorant to be making any heath care decisions. She's so sanctimonious about "non-hormonal" but she doesn't understand anything.

And why does she keep saying buying a house is one of the most stressful things you can go through in life? Their lifestyle would be stressful for most, but this is practically their baseline. This is "normal" for them. They're constantly making choices that lead to upheaval. Even if you're willing to try other things before the hormone replacement and you're not anxious to get pregnant right away, she's probably feeling other side effects. Kelsey mentioned insomnia in her video today, and that's a side-effect of low progesterone. It becomes a chicken or the egg situation- are you stressed because of external factors? Or is something internal going on that is affecting your ability to cope with stress and external factors? Unless something truly traumatic is going on (not a real estate purchase), in my experience "stress" becomes a catch-all to explain away medical issues that don't have a known cause.

That's true that Kelsey could have been exaggerating the results. She could have heard something like 0.1 ng/ml and misinterpret that as practically zero. Less than 0.1 or borderline could be worrisome if accompanied by other factors that point to an endocrine disorder of some kind. I'm not a medical professional, but my guess would be that her endocrine system functions sporadically and she only ovulates every couple of months. I think she's been experiencing anovulatory bleeding and mistaking it for a normal menstrual cycle.

[alyssadt]

There isn’t a doubt in my mind that Corbin is driving the infertility train.

Maybe the reason she won’t pick up the progesterone is because she isn’t that interested in trying.

They should be called Steps to Stockholm Syndrome.


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[alyssadt]

There isn’t a doubt in my mind that Corbin is driving the infertility train.

Maybe the reason she won’t pick up the progesterone is because she isn’t that interested in trying.

They should be called Steps to Stockholm Syndrome.


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Also wanted to add: I don’t think Kelsey is a helpless victim here BUT I do know plenty of people (even myself at one point) that have stayed in horrible relationships because it is easier than the alternative. I can’t see divorcing Corbin as any easy feat, we know he has a temper, and there is no doubt in my mind that he would be open to compromise. I can even see him going as far as smearing her publicly if she ever did leave him.


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[alyssadt]

There isn’t a doubt in my mind that Corbin is driving the infertility train.

Maybe the reason she won’t pick up the progesterone is because she isn’t that interested in trying.

They should be called Steps to Stockholm Syndrome.


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Also wanted to add: I don’t think Kelsey is a helpless victim here BUT I do know plenty of people (even myself at one point) that have stayed in horrible relationships because it is easier than the alternative. I can’t see divorcing Corbin as any easy feat, we know he has a temper, and there is no doubt in my mind that he would be open to compromise. I can even see him going as far as smearing her publicly if she ever did leave him.


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Ugh

*wouldn’t be open to compromise


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[Mousegirl913]

Oh one other thing.

This "stress" that she refers to? Oh my God, I roll my eyes. That's LIFE stuff, but she acts like she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I love people that improperly use the word "anxiety". No, that's not anxiety, that's normal life. People that truly suffer with anxiety should be pissed at people like her throwing around that term incorrectly. It's like the trendy word to use, and that sucks for people who are really dealing with it.

Their "stress":
-"just got off the road" : using an RV and house in Hawaii that wasn't theirs. Not having to pay rent, must be nice!
-"bouncing from house to house" : mooching off everyone they can, probably not paying rent, or at least not having to pay for all the regular bills, like electric, water, gas, internet, cable, trash. Wouldn't that be so nice if we all didn't have to worry about those pesky bills?
-"the CRAAAZY house hunting" : they put in 2 offers, one didn't get accepted, the other did. And everything since has been smooth sailing. I'd say that's a dream scenario for buying a first home.
- they prubsbly aren't paying the full down payment. I'm almost positive they had to get a cosigner.
-and a TTC journey of about 3 months.

Oh my gosh you guys! How do they cope with ALL. THAT. STESS. They ate seriously inspirational.

But like someone else said, maybe there's more stuff behind the scenes. Drama with her mom and cirbin? Her and Corbin's mom? Tensions with staying with the inlaws? Unstable income because they both want to stay home all day and won't get jobs? Corbin just being a dick? Maybe. But that's nothing compared to real problems that some people have to deal with. The amount of sympathy I have for these two: ZERO.

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Would love to have her in my stress...lets see how she does... one income, two kids, basically homeless, bills.... then she can talk about anxiety and having a nervous break down 🖒 there are so many worse off then them..

[endof]

I know everyone has a different perspective on this, but I don't understand when people are TTC and share every detail of it with everyone. I feel like that would make it even more stressful, especially if one partner is more on board than the other. It also creates the expectation that the couple is going to conceive soon, making it even more painful to wield comments from those who know if it takes them awhile to conceive. Obviously it brings in money for YouTube, but this is also their real life, so why would they want to put all this out there?

It is what you said money! Everytime they drop in views and they have dropped drastically low she puts on a sad face and wimpers and up they go again, not much but they do. They get some sponsors and live off that so they don’t need to work! They are parasites they have found a way to live off other hosts!

[endof]

Oh one other thing.

This "stress" that she refers to? Oh my God, I roll my eyes. That's LIFE stuff, but she acts like she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I love people that improperly use the word "anxiety". No, that's not anxiety, that's normal life. People that truly suffer with anxiety should be pissed at people like her throwing around that term incorrectly. It's like the trendy word to use, and that sucks for people who are really dealing with it.

Their "stress":
-"just got off the road" : using an RV and house in Hawaii that wasn't theirs. Not having to pay rent, must be nice!
-"bouncing from house to house" : mooching off everyone they can, probably not paying rent, or at least not having to pay for all the regular bills, like electric, water, gas, internet, cable, trash. Wouldn't that be so nice if we all didn't have to worry about those pesky bills?
-"the CRAAAZY house hunting" : they put in 2 offers, one didn't get accepted, the other did. And everything since has been smooth sailing. I'd say that's a dream scenario for buying a first home.
- they prubsbly aren't paying the full down payment. I'm almost positive they had to get a cosigner.
-and a TTC journey of about 3 months.

Oh my gosh you guys! How do they cope with ALL. THAT. STESS. They ate seriously inspirational.

But like someone else said, maybe there's more stuff behind the scenes. Drama with her mom and cirbin? Her and Corbin's mom? Tensions with staying with the inlaws? Unstable income because they both want to stay home all day and won't get jobs? Corbin just being a dick? Maybe. But that's nothing compared to real problems that some people have to deal with. The amount of sympathy I have for these two: ZERO.

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Would love to have her in my stress...lets see how she does... one income, two kids, basically homeless, bills.... then she can talk about anxiety and having a nervous break down 🖒 there are so many worse off then them..

That is why they are so disgusting and entitled that is shy no one can relate to them anymore, horrible people!

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she literally has just 15 posts on her insta most of which are family, no flood anywhere!

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and corby 5

[sasha186]

She still doesn’t know what progesterone does and why she is getting it tested. She just sounds so clueless when talking about the female cycle. She could barely string a sentence together when talking about the test before she even got the results. I love that Corbin thought "interesting findings" meant she could be pregnant. And Kelsey had to inform him it was a progesterone test, not a pregnancy test. "Is it maybe because you feel you could find out your pregnant right now?" He is just as clueless.

I agree that a progesterone of zero is worrisome- it should still be detectable in the first half of your menstrual cycle even before it peaks after ovulation in the second part of your cycle. And while she may be one of those women who have very low progesterone levels while breastfeeding and therefore a hard time getting pregnant, if she's seen the return of her period, her levels shouldn't be at zero. While I choose to see an OBGYN, and while I think the midwife's diet recommendations aren't something I would personally follow, I don't understand why everyone is bashing the midwife in the comments section. Sure, get a second opinion. But so far I haven't heard them repeat anything from the midwife that sounds wrong. Again, I don't know if I believe refined sugars play a role in progesterone, but she wasn't only recommending diet changes. She was ordering her supplemental progesterone as well. The ironic things is the same people telling her to go see a "real doctor" are often the ones who are also recommending Ellie and Jared. Ellie sees a chiropractor, not an endocrinologist.

She made it very clear when they had their daughter that her cycles are highly irregular. That doesn't make her infertile, it just means it may take a little more time and they may need to track ovulation closely because she likely doesn't ovulate regularly. People with PCOS can and do get pregnant all the time, for example. Not saying she definitely has PCOS, she would need to have more testing to diagnosis something like that. The lack of progesterone alone explains the irregularity, mid-cycle spotting and lack of a positive ovulation test, whether that's a piece of a more complicated endocrine disorder like PCOS is unknown. The midwife obviously doesn't see it as an infertility diagnosis, she was very upbeat and positive, but Kelsey's take away is "basically I can't get pregnant" without supplemental progesterone.

My theory is that Kelsey was very familiar with her history of irregular periods and suspected something, but she doesn't have the desire or mental capacity to research and understand what an endocrine disorder is on her own. It took them over four years to get pregnant with their daughter while they were likely using some nonsense "pull-out" method. She's anxious to have a second, so she takes that info to a new midwife and the midwife takes that background information on her long cycles and mid-cycle spotting and agrees that testing could be helpful. They decide to paint this as "infertility." Notice how Kelsey wasn't wiping away her tears or trying to hide the fact that she was crying the way most people do when they're emotional. She wanted to makes sure everyone saw it and let the tears stay put. It's never fun to learn you need medical help to get pregnant, but this was such a performance from the get-go. The emphasis on "we don't know how long it took us to get pregnant," the "implantation spotting, I must be pregnant" nonsense, the convenient amnesia about her irregular periods, the testing after a whopping three months of trying, etc.

The diet change suggestions were confusing to me - some people with PCOS are also insulin resistant, and getting your blood sugar in check can help you restart a normal cycle. However, they didn't do a fasting blood sugar (that they mentioned) when she had her bloodwork done, and she didn't have gestational diabetes during her last pregnancy, and those things tell me that she probably isn't insulin resistant, so a low carb diet probably isn't going to do much (other than just be a healthy diet).

I really don't have a lot of sympathy for them in this - (personal warning) I have PCOS and don't ovulate on my own at all, and I have mid cycle spotting if I go a long time between periods. It didn't take me that long to figure out what was going on, do research on my own, and go to my doctor with a pretty clear understanding of what my body was doing, and what I needed to do going forward.

[FakingIt_MakingIt]

They’re alienating the few viewers they have left with this infertility bs just in time to move into their house that they’re (supposedly) paying the mortgage, upkeep, and renovations on and just as baby #2 will be born, because she’s not infertile, they’ve been trying a handful of months and it’s incredibly likely she will be pregnant before summer.
Good plan Corbin!

[ewokfan11]

I wonder what the other stressful thing(s) they have going on?? They said after the house closes then there is something else they need to deal with. It can't be the pregnancy stuff because they can deal with that whenever—that's literally not really in their control. Maybe the PR trip? It could be anything with these two...they seem so unorganized.

Also, if their closing date is this week, I wonder what paperwork they still needed to provide. That seems to be cutting it close if it's something important. Obviously, every home purchase is different, but I don't recall having to provide paperwork that late in the process. Yes, buying a house is a lot of waiting, but they seem crazy-stressed at EVERY little step.

I also think they rushed into finding a house so they could move out of their parents' houses. I wonder if in 2-3 months—springtime, when the real estate market actually picks up—they will regret going for whatever they could find fast and cheap. I looked for about six months before finding my first house.

Same goes for getting pregnant. They seem to be rush, rush, rush about everything...when there is no need to rush.

They complain about being so stressed, but it's their own damn fault.

[queenb8291]

Lol! Corbin can’t keep track of what he says/ doesn’t say...
He said that they have been waiting for this house for like a year. It is obvious when they left Cali they knew where they would settle and get a house there. But let’s not saying anything about our plans Corbin and Kelsey and string all your viewers along and try to gain new ones with the whole living on the road bit.
When will the World see through all these dumb YouTubers? Who drum up everyday normal activities as if they are glorified activities. Lol! Boring boring boring

[storeynyx]

She still doesn’t know what progesterone does and why she is getting it tested. She just sounds so clueless when talking about the female cycle. She could barely string a sentence together when talking about the test before she even got the results. I love that Corbin thought "interesting findings" meant she could be pregnant. And Kelsey had to inform him it was a progesterone test, not a pregnancy test. "Is it maybe because you feel you could find out your pregnant right now?" He is just as clueless.

I agree that a progesterone of zero is worrisome- it should still be detectable in the first half of your menstrual cycle even before it peaks after ovulation in the second part of your cycle. And while she may be one of those women who have very low progesterone levels while breastfeeding and therefore a hard time getting pregnant, if she's seen the return of her period, her levels shouldn't be at zero. While I choose to see an OBGYN, and while I think the midwife's diet recommendations aren't something I would personally follow, I don't understand why everyone is bashing the midwife in the comments section. Sure, get a second opinion. But so far I haven't heard them repeat anything from the midwife that sounds wrong. Again, I don't know if I believe refined sugars play a role in progesterone, but she wasn't only recommending diet changes. She was ordering her supplemental progesterone as well. The ironic things is the same people telling her to go see a "real doctor" are often the ones who are also recommending Ellie and Jared. Ellie sees a chiropractor, not an endocrinologist.

She made it very clear when they had their daughter that her cycles are highly irregular. That doesn't make her infertile, it just means it may take a little more time and they may need to track ovulation closely because she likely doesn't ovulate regularly. People with PCOS can and do get pregnant all the time, for example. Not saying she definitely has PCOS, she would need to have more testing to diagnosis something like that. The lack of progesterone alone explains the irregularity, mid-cycle spotting and lack of a positive ovulation test, whether that's a piece of a more complicated endocrine disorder like PCOS is unknown. The midwife obviously doesn't see it as an infertility diagnosis, she was very upbeat and positive, but Kelsey's take away is "basically I can't get pregnant" without supplemental progesterone.

My theory is that Kelsey was very familiar with her history of irregular periods and suspected something, but she doesn't have the desire or mental capacity to research and understand what an endocrine disorder is on her own. It took them over four years to get pregnant with their daughter while they were likely using some nonsense "pull-out" method. She's anxious to have a second, so she takes that info to a new midwife and the midwife takes that background information on her long cycles and mid-cycle spotting and agrees that testing could be helpful. They decide to paint this as "infertility." Notice how Kelsey wasn't wiping away her tears or trying to hide the fact that she was crying the way most people do when they're emotional. She wanted to makes sure everyone saw it and let the tears stay put. It's never fun to learn you need medical help to get pregnant, but this was such a performance from the get-go. The emphasis on "we don't know how long it took us to get pregnant," the "implantation spotting, I must be pregnant" nonsense, the convenient amnesia about her irregular periods, the testing after a whopping three months of trying, etc.

The diet change suggestions were confusing to me - some people with PCOS are also insulin resistant, and getting your blood sugar in check can help you restart a normal cycle. However, they didn't do a fasting blood sugar (that they mentioned) when she had her bloodwork done, and she didn't have gestational diabetes during her last pregnancy, and those things tell me that she probably isn't insulin resistant, so a low carb diet probably isn't going to do much (other than just be a healthy diet).

I really don't have a lot of sympathy for them in this - (personal warning) I have PCOS and don't ovulate on my own at all, and I have mid cycle spotting if I go a long time between periods. It didn't take me that long to figure out what was going on, do research on my own, and go to my doctor with a pretty clear understanding of what my body was doing, and what I needed to do going forward.

I think the midwife was suggesting that the low progesterone could be caused by an inflammatory or immune system problem, and that the Keto diet could help with that. I don’t know how much evidence there is to back that idea up, but that’s what I got out of the conversation

[HashtagBlessed]

I do have to roll my eyes that she’s so sanctimonious about her choices, and yet she can’t pick a lane. Are they relaxing and letting it happen? Or are they investigating further and getting medical intervention? It seems to be a different approach every week.

Actually, it seems that every time she gets the answer that she doesn’t want, she shuts down and pretends she’s going to take a step back and not stress about it. I suspect that they tried the OPKs for a “cycle” and didn’t get a positive. Then we get the follow-up video explaining that they aren’t using them anymore because it was stressing them out and they’re just going to let it happen. Then she's convinced she's pregnant, then she goes in for a progesterone test, and when that comes back with poor results and the midwife telling her she may not be ovulating, we get another video about how she’s not going to take the prescription, she’s going to do it her own way.

There’s definitely a financial component of this, their numbers jump up every time they use a dramatic “infertility” title and thumbnail. But I also think Kelsey is super immature and can’t deal with reality and it makes the whole narrative choppy and hard to follow because she’s a) not being totally honest and b) doesn’t have the capacity to understand basic things. I do think she is genuinely disheartened and wouldn't be weaning June so quickly if she wasn't anxious to get pregnant, but she's also not willing to try the prescription, go to a specialist OR track her ovulation. It's like watching a dog chase it's tail. She acts like she was given some guarantee that she would be pregnant right away, and when that didn't happen she's stomping her feet after three months.

[Nothankyou]

I think it’s really selfish of her to wean June right now. They are going to be moving in the next couple of weeks which will be like the 8th place this kid has slept in the past 5 months. Nursing at bedtime is her comfort and security and they are taking that away from her! They should wait until they are settled in their new home.

Also, I love how they talk about how all of this has been so stressful for them, yet they can never admit that it might be a lot on June as well. June can’t use words to tell them how she’s feeling, but I’m sure she’s showing signs of stress from all of this too!


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