Katie:Learning to Say No to Everything Except Gaines|Part 21

[Baconsgirl]

did anyone else listen to the podcast last night? Phyllis had a very emotional and tough testimony and it looked as though she hit home with Cullen a few times. Whatever his demons are, i hope he overcomes them, and i hope her story made him realize how lucky he is that he he realizes now he has a problem and it hasn't taken something terribly tragic to make him conscious of his actions. i don't think Cullen has fully committed himself to changing YET.. but i hope he takes what she said to heart. cullen makes me anxious sometimes during these podcasts bc he is clearly uncomfortable with public speaking and doesn't really understand how to correctly respond to certain things. As comfortable as he is in front of a vlogging camera it's odd to see him so clearly out of his element while talking to Phyllis. Also it kinda makes sense now why he thinks the AA meetings were "fun". He doesn't seem to always understand the gravity of what people are telling him. He seemed to "get it" further into her story when he was getting emotional and you could tell things were hitting close to home for him. I hope she made something click in his head. Britney on the other hand seems to be much better in this sort of setting. (yes i realize that she ether knows Phyllis or has heard her speak before) I think she needs a little more practice with her "umms" and gathering her thoughts on the fly, but she seems so much more genuine and it seems to come more natural to her. I like seeing her set Cullen straight and make him think beyond himself on this topic.

Changing the subject slightly.... i was shocked that Phyllis was sentenced to 2 life sentences when there was no proof she was driving the car. I was so confused as she was telling this story bc it never sounded to me that she was at fault. I'm sure there is another side to the story and she was very defensive about this being her fault basically bc there was no one left alive to take the blame but her. And she said that it "sounded like something she would have done" It was never said if people in the other car were injured and she was only charged with the death of her friends, so maybe the other driver saw her behind the wheel? It's just a terrible situation to be so messed up that you aren't even sure if something this terrible is your fault or not, and not be able to be in a position to even be able to defend yourself bc you have no idea what your actions were bc of how messed up you were. This is a perfect example of drugs and alcohol being able to take everything away from you in an instant, even if you aren't the one behind the wheel (literally or figuratively).

so did she get her sentence reduced or get out early? I was super confused.


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[Playsinrain]

did anyone else listen to the podcast last night? Phyllis had a very emotional and tough testimony and it looked as though she hit home with Cullen a few times. Whatever his demons are, i hope he overcomes them, and i hope her story made him realize how lucky he is that he he realizes now he has a problem and it hasn't taken something terribly tragic to make him conscious of his actions. i don't think Cullen has fully committed himself to changing YET.. but i hope he takes what she said to heart. cullen makes me anxious sometimes during these podcasts bc he is clearly uncomfortable with public speaking and doesn't really understand how to correctly respond to certain things. As comfortable as he is in front of a vlogging camera it's odd to see him so clearly out of his element while talking to Phyllis. Also it kinda makes sense now why he thinks the AA meetings were "fun". He doesn't seem to always understand the gravity of what people are telling him. He seemed to "get it" further into her story when he was getting emotional and you could tell things were hitting close to home for him. I hope she made something click in his head. Britney on the other hand seems to be much better in this sort of setting. (yes i realize that she ether knows Phyllis or has heard her speak before) I think she needs a little more practice with her "umms" and gathering her thoughts on the fly, but she seems so much more genuine and it seems to come more natural to her. I like seeing her set Cullen straight and make him think beyond himself on this topic.

Changing the subject slightly.... i was shocked that Phyllis was sentenced to 2 life sentences when there was no proof she was driving the car. I was so confused as she was telling this story bc it never sounded to me that she was at fault. I'm sure there is another side to the story and she was very defensive about this being her fault basically bc there was no one left alive to take the blame but her. And she said that it "sounded like something she would have done" It was never said if people in the other car were injured and she was only charged with the death of her friends, so maybe the other driver saw her behind the wheel? It's just a terrible situation to be so messed up that you aren't even sure if something this terrible is your fault or not, and not be able to be in a position to even be able to defend yourself bc you have no idea what your actions were bc of how messed up you were. This is a perfect example of drugs and alcohol being able to take everything away from you in an instant, even if you aren't the one behind the wheel (literally or figuratively).

so did she get her sentence reduced or get out early? I was super confused.


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She must have gotten paroled or maybe some sort of work release program? I don't think she ever said how she wound up not serving the full sentence. I know she served 20+ years according to the ages she was saying her children were before and after her release.

[Theirmom]

did anyone else listen to the podcast last night? Phyllis had a very emotional and tough testimony and it looked as though she hit home with Cullen a few times. Whatever his demons are, i hope he overcomes them, and i hope her story made him realize how lucky he is that he he realizes now he has a problem and it hasn't taken something terribly tragic to make him conscious of his actions. i don't think Cullen has fully committed himself to changing YET.. but i hope he takes what she said to heart. cullen makes me anxious sometimes during these podcasts bc he is clearly uncomfortable with public speaking and doesn't really understand how to correctly respond to certain things. As comfortable as he is in front of a vlogging camera it's odd to see him so clearly out of his element while talking to Phyllis. Also it kinda makes sense now why he thinks the AA meetings were "fun". He doesn't seem to always understand the gravity of what people are telling him. He seemed to "get it" further into her story when he was getting emotional and you could tell things were hitting close to home for him. I hope she made something click in his head. Britney on the other hand seems to be much better in this sort of setting. (yes i realize that she ether knows Phyllis or has heard her speak before) I think she needs a little more practice with her "umms" and gathering her thoughts on the fly, but she seems so much more genuine and it seems to come more natural to her. I like seeing her set Cullen straight and make him think beyond himself on this topic.

Changing the subject slightly.... i was shocked that Phyllis was sentenced to 2 life sentences when there was no proof she was driving the car. I was so confused as she was telling this story bc it never sounded to me that she was at fault. I'm sure there is another side to the story and she was very defensive about this being her fault basically bc there was no one left alive to take the blame but her. And she said that it "sounded like something she would have done" It was never said if people in the other car were injured and she was only charged with the death of her friends, so maybe the other driver saw her behind the wheel? It's just a terrible situation to be so messed up that you aren't even sure if something this terrible is your fault or not, and not be able to be in a position to even be able to defend yourself bc you have no idea what your actions were bc of how messed up you were. This is a perfect example of drugs and alcohol being able to take everything away from you in an instant, even if you aren't the one behind the wheel (literally or figuratively).

I think it was the passengers in the other car that were killed. Her friend that was driving said that she was actually driving. And since she blacked out, the he said/she said worked out in his favour because she couldn’t prove it wasn’t her driving.
She said she had to accept that, whether it was true or not, because she couldn’t cope with 20 years in prison for something she may not have done. So she’s come to terms with being responsible for the deaths, even if she wasn’t behind the wheel, as it was her vehicle and her idea to go out that night.

[Playsinrain]

did anyone else listen to the podcast last night? Phyllis had a very emotional and tough testimony and it looked as though she hit home with Cullen a few times. Whatever his demons are, i hope he overcomes them, and i hope her story made him realize how lucky he is that he he realizes now he has a problem and it hasn't taken something terribly tragic to make him conscious of his actions. i don't think Cullen has fully committed himself to changing YET.. but i hope he takes what she said to heart. cullen makes me anxious sometimes during these podcasts bc he is clearly uncomfortable with public speaking and doesn't really understand how to correctly respond to certain things. As comfortable as he is in front of a vlogging camera it's odd to see him so clearly out of his element while talking to Phyllis. Also it kinda makes sense now why he thinks the AA meetings were "fun". He doesn't seem to always understand the gravity of what people are telling him. He seemed to "get it" further into her story when he was getting emotional and you could tell things were hitting close to home for him. I hope she made something click in his head. Britney on the other hand seems to be much better in this sort of setting. (yes i realize that she ether knows Phyllis or has heard her speak before) I think she needs a little more practice with her "umms" and gathering her thoughts on the fly, but she seems so much more genuine and it seems to come more natural to her. I like seeing her set Cullen straight and make him think beyond himself on this topic.

Changing the subject slightly.... i was shocked that Phyllis was sentenced to 2 life sentences when there was no proof she was driving the car. I was so confused as she was telling this story bc it never sounded to me that she was at fault. I'm sure there is another side to the story and she was very defensive about this being her fault basically bc there was no one left alive to take the blame but her. And she said that it "sounded like something she would have done" It was never said if people in the other car were injured and she was only charged with the death of her friends, so maybe the other driver saw her behind the wheel? It's just a terrible situation to be so messed up that you aren't even sure if something this terrible is your fault or not, and not be able to be in a position to even be able to defend yourself bc you have no idea what your actions were bc of how messed up you were. This is a perfect example of drugs and alcohol being able to take everything away from you in an instant, even if you aren't the one behind the wheel (literally or figuratively).

I think it was the passengers in the other car that were killed. Her friend that was driving said that she was actually driving. And since she blacked out, the he said/she said worked out in his favour because she couldn’t prove it wasn’t her driving.
She said she had to accept that, whether it was true or not, because she couldn’t cope with 20 years in prison for something she may not have done. So she’s come to terms with being responsible for the deaths, even if she wasn’t behind the wheel, as it was her vehicle and her idea to go out that night.

See i was super confused as to who exactly it was that was killed, bc didn't britney say that it was 2 of her good friends that died at the beginning? Or maybe i read that in the description. She never said exactly what vehicle the deceased were in... the story was kinda all over the place. I did catch Phyllis say " *some name i didn't catch* said i was driving". The way she talked no one in that car was in any shape to be driving, it would be hard for me to get over the resentment i would have if someone placed ALL blame on me, although being black out drunk isn't the best defense. She's a strong person for being able to come to terms with that.

OT: My mother was in a serious car wreck in the 70's. She was in the back seat and the driver was acting like a fool, racing, turning off his headlights, driving on the wrong side of the road... they wound up hitting another car head on, and since this was before the days of seat belts everyone in the car were tossed around like rag dolls. The driver was ejected, and was killed, as was the driver of the other vehicle. My mother, who was in the back passenger seat wound up in the floorboard on the drivers side, under the steering wheel. She had several broken bones, including a broken jaw that was wired shut for months. At first they claimed she was the driver, and thought she was drunk bc she was trying to explain to them as they were pulling her out that she wasn't the driver, and with her broken jaw she wasn't able to speak clearly and they assumed she was just drunk. After all was said and done and witnesses (other passengers in the car, and people who were with the couple in the other car directly before the crash... at a bar where they were all drinking and begged the driver of the other car not to drive home) it was concluded that both drivers had crossed the center line and i don't think anyone was actually ever charged in the deaths bc, well.. both drivers were dead. It's just a sort of similar story to what happened to Phyills but with a different outcome. My mom was handcuffed to the bed when she woke up from surgery, just from the placement of her body after the crash.

[HelloSweetie]

did anyone else listen to the podcast last night? Phyllis had a very emotional and tough testimony and it looked as though she hit home with Cullen a few times. Whatever his demons are, i hope he overcomes them, and i hope her story made him realize how lucky he is that he he realizes now he has a problem and it hasn't taken something terribly tragic to make him conscious of his actions. i don't think Cullen has fully committed himself to changing YET.. but i hope he takes what she said to heart. cullen makes me anxious sometimes during these podcasts bc he is clearly uncomfortable with public speaking and doesn't really understand how to correctly respond to certain things. As comfortable as he is in front of a vlogging camera it's odd to see him so clearly out of his element while talking to Phyllis. Also it kinda makes sense now why he thinks the AA meetings were "fun". He doesn't seem to always understand the gravity of what people are telling him. He seemed to "get it" further into her story when he was getting emotional and you could tell things were hitting close to home for him. I hope she made something click in his head. Britney on the other hand seems to be much better in this sort of setting. (yes i realize that she ether knows Phyllis or has heard her speak before) I think she needs a little more practice with her "umms" and gathering her thoughts on the fly, but she seems so much more genuine and it seems to come more natural to her. I like seeing her set Cullen straight and make him think beyond himself on this topic.

Changing the subject slightly.... i was shocked that Phyllis was sentenced to 2 life sentences when there was no proof she was driving the car. I was so confused as she was telling this story bc it never sounded to me that she was at fault. I'm sure there is another side to the story and she was very defensive about this being her fault basically bc there was no one left alive to take the blame but her. And she said that it "sounded like something she would have done" It was never said if people in the other car were injured and she was only charged with the death of her friends, so maybe the other driver saw her behind the wheel? It's just a terrible situation to be so messed up that you aren't even sure if something this terrible is your fault or not, and not be able to be in a position to even be able to defend yourself bc you have no idea what your actions were bc of how messed up you were. This is a perfect example of drugs and alcohol being able to take everything away from you in an instant, even if you aren't the one behind the wheel (literally or figuratively).

I think it was the passengers in the other car that were killed. Her friend that was driving said that she was actually driving. And since she blacked out, the he said/she said worked out in his favour because she couldn’t prove it wasn’t her driving.
She said she had to accept that, whether it was true or not, because she couldn’t cope with 20 years in prison for something she may not have done. So she’s come to terms with being responsible for the deaths, even if she wasn’t behind the wheel, as it was her vehicle and her idea to go out that night.

See i was super confused as to who exactly it was that was killed, bc didn't britney say that it was 2 of her good friends that died at the beginning? Or maybe i read that in the description. She never said exactly what vehicle the deceased were in... the story was kinda all over the place. I did catch Phyllis say " *some name i didn't catch* said i was driving". The way she talked no one in that car was in any shape to be driving, it would be hard for me to get over the resentment i would have if someone placed ALL blame on me, although being black out drunk isn't the best defense. She's a strong person for being able to come to terms with that.

OT: My mother was in a serious car wreck in the 70's. She was in the back seat and the driver was acting like a fool, racing, turning off his headlights, driving on the wrong side of the road... they wound up hitting another car head on, and since this was before the days of seat belts everyone in the car were tossed around like rag dolls. The driver was ejected, and was killed, as was the driver of the other vehicle. My mother, who was in the back passenger seat wound up in the floorboard on the drivers side, under the steering wheel. She had several broken bones, including a broken jaw that was wired shut for months. At first they claimed she was the driver, and thought she was drunk bc she was trying to explain to them as they were pulling her out that she wasn't the driver, and with her broken jaw she wasn't able to speak clearly and they assumed she was just drunk. After all was said and done and witnesses (other passengers in the car, and people who were with the couple in the other car directly before the crash... at a bar where they were all drinking and begged the driver of the other car not to drive home) it was concluded that both drivers had crossed the center line and i don't think anyone was actually ever charged in the deaths bc, well.. both drivers were dead. It's just a sort of similar story to what happened to Phyills but with a different outcome. My mom was handcuffed to the bed when she woke up from surgery, just from the placement of her body after the crash.

The three passengers were in her vehicle. She tried to argue she should get an appeal based on the fact that they all should have been tried as well for “complicity.”

The two people that died were in the other vehicle. She also tried to argue that it wasn’t murder and rather “homicide by vehicle,” which I suppose it technically was, but I find the semantics of law very sickening in this way. Two innocent people died.

I found the records on FindLaw, but I’m not sure if it’s ok to post them.


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[Playsinrain]

See i was super confused as to who exactly it was that was killed, bc didn't britney say that it was 2 of her good friends that died at the beginning? Or maybe i read that in the description. She never said exactly what vehicle the deceased were in... the story was kinda all over the place. I did catch Phyllis say " *some name i didn't catch* said i was driving". The way she talked no one in that car was in any shape to be driving, it would be hard for me to get over the resentment i would have if someone placed ALL blame on me, although being black out drunk isn't the best defense. She's a strong person for being able to come to terms with that.

OT: My mother was in a serious car wreck in the 70's. She was in the back seat and the driver was acting like a fool, racing, turning off his headlights, driving on the wrong side of the road... they wound up hitting another car head on, and since this was before the days of seat belts everyone in the car were tossed around like rag dolls. The driver was ejected, and was killed, as was the driver of the other vehicle. My mother, who was in the back passenger seat wound up in the floorboard on the drivers side, under the steering wheel. She had several broken bones, including a broken jaw that was wired shut for months. At first they claimed she was the driver, and thought she was drunk bc she was trying to explain to them as they were pulling her out that she wasn't the driver, and with her broken jaw she wasn't able to speak clearly and they assumed she was just drunk. After all was said and done and witnesses (other passengers in the car, and people who were with the couple in the other car directly before the crash... at a bar where they were all drinking and begged the driver of the other car not to drive home) it was concluded that both drivers had crossed the center line and i don't think anyone was actually ever charged in the deaths bc, well.. both drivers were dead. It's just a sort of similar story to what happened to Phyills but with a different outcome. My mom was handcuffed to the bed when she woke up from surgery, just from the placement of her body after the crash.

The three passengers were in her vehicle. She tried to argue she should get an appeal based on the fact that they all should have been tried as well for “complicity.”

The two people that died were in the other vehicle. She also tried to argue that it wasn’t murder and rather “homicide by vehicle,” which I suppose it technically was, but I find the semantics of law very sickening in this way. Two innocent people died.

I found the records on FindLaw, but I’m not sure if it’s ok to post them.


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I agree that at the end of the day it doesn't matter bc two innocent people were killed, and by someone driving under the influence... i do have to agree that everyone should have been tried, seeing as though it seems no one in the car was sober enough to be driving (and couldn't their statements on who was driving be questioned bc they were under the influence? Maybe Phyllis was the most intoxicated and, like what happened with my mother, her body placement was that of the driver? i have a million questions about this now... the investigative/true crime lover in me has me intrigued) It doesn't matter either way bc those lives will never be replaced,and that happened bc of drugs and alcohol.. and it's apparent that prison turned her around and made her a better person. It's just a tough case all the way around.

[lovingthisforum]

I think it was the passengers in the other car that were killed. Her friend that was driving said that she was actually driving. And since she blacked out, the he said/she said worked out in his favour because she couldn’t prove it wasn’t her driving.
She said she had to accept that, whether it was true or not, because she couldn’t cope with 20 years in prison for something she may not have done. So she’s come to terms with being responsible for the deaths, even if she wasn’t behind the wheel, as it was her vehicle and her idea to go out that night.

OMG, that is terrible! Heartbreaking. What an incredibly difficult thing to do, and that she has nothing to hold on to. For all we know it could have been him as well and he is blaming her. What a sad story! ....But I'm confused, how is it known he was driving? Also, how can it be her idea alone to go out, they must know how peer relationships work? Still a heartbreaking story, and my goodness 20 years. Maybe with better more expensive lawyers the case would have been handled differently?

[lovingthisforum]

Okay so I put on the podcast, and Cullen says that she (Phyllis) has an "amazing" story. Well that's not really appropriate?! It's not starting well already. (Strictly speaking this "amazing" is narcissistic and self-centered, it's 'amazing' for their podcast but a truly sad story. I say: "inappropriate!")

[HelloSweetie]

Okay so I put on the podcast, and Cullen says that she (Phyllis) has an "amazing" story. Well that's not really appropriate?! It's not starting well already. (Strictly speaking this "amazing" is narcissistic and self-centered, it's 'amazing' for their podcast but a truly sad story. I say: "inappropriate!")

Exactly. Her story is both tragic and unfortunate for her. I mean, two innocent senior citizens died.



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[lovingthisforum]

I'm in the middle of the podcast, how can this be a first degree murder?? Which it for a fact is not, they didn't want those people dead and they didn't plan to kill those people? Also the defense of her male friend sounds like a typical excuse and totally unlikely to me. The story goes that he started driving on the highway and that she took over the wheel after 5 minutes and then drove for 12 minutes when the accident happened...yeah right.

Also her brother got killed in their living room when he was four years old....by their father perhaps?

[Playsinrain]

I'm in the middle of the podcast, how can this be a first degree murder?? Which it for a fact is not, they didn't want those people dead and they didn't plan to kill those people? Also the defense of her male friend sounds like a typical excuse and totally unlikely to me. The story goes that he started driving on the highway and that she took over the wheel after 5 minutes and then drove for 12 minutes when the accident happened...yeah right.

Also her brother got killed in their living room when he was four years old....by their father perhaps?

I have searched and searched the interwebs for a more detailed account of this accident and have found nothing but a blurb in an out of town paper about her being found guilty. Just out of pure curiosity i would love to find the court transcripts or more information about the entire thing. Not that i'm choosing sides or anything, i just have a ton of questions about everything that was said in her telling of the story. There are always 3 sides to a story and i would love to hear the other 2... if you get what i mean. I'm a sucker for stuff like this.
I also thought the same thing about the brother, but she went on to say that her parents were still living together after that, and they both turned to drugs and drinking, so unless he got away with something terrible i guess he was never charged or it was something else completely? she gave zero details about that death.
Her talking about thinking it was normal to have a freezer full of meth as a child broke my heart.

[Playsinrain]

Okay so I put on the podcast, and Cullen says that she (Phyllis) has an "amazing" story. Well that's not really appropriate?! It's not starting well already. (Strictly speaking this "amazing" is narcissistic and self-centered, it's 'amazing' for their podcast but a truly sad story. I say: "inappropriate!")

Exactly. Her story is both tragic and unfortunate for her. I mean, two innocent senior citizens died.



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I think the "amazing" part wasn't supposed to be taken in a positive way, i mean you can be amazed by something, but not in a good way.. if that makes sense? Maybe he thinks it was amazing bc she has turned this tragedy into something positive? Sharing her story to help others and turning to God in times of trouble? We also have to take in consideration that Cullen had not heard her story before filming this, (Britney had, for sure, and i'm sure she told Cullen that this lady has A STORY to tell.. if that makes sense..) and sometimes (on the podcast especially) he is not so good with words... i honestly don't think he meant it in that way.

[ewokfan11]

Cullen looks so uncomfortable when Phyllis talks about being a lesbian. SMH.

This woman must be someone Brittany knows from prison or through recovery. Alabama is one messed up state. It sounded like they were blaming MADD for her sentence. GET REAL. This woman was a total fucking mess. Cullen literally floored me with his sympathy for this person who killed two people.

Cullen doesn't get it.

I have ZERO sympathy for her. She's a murderer and it was 100% her own fault. She should probably still be in prison.

As someone who works in the news, I'm guessing that was a huge local news story and she can't blame the district attorney for the coverage. She needs to BLAME herself. She doesn't know how the news works.

Her story is sketchy for sure!

EDIT: Sounds like Brittany met her in the same halfway house where she was after prison.

[Catface2]

I wish Katie would stop making that stupid face in the thumbnail. Like a weird surprised face. Blah

[sweetlace]

Katie’s face looks so bad in her stories. I honestly feel awful for her! That thing must really hurt.


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[lmmomSD]

If Cullen has only been "in recovery" for a couple of weeks, why is Katie uploading a video about handling relapse? It's not like he has been in some legit program and working it, and things were changing, and she took a deep breath and thought, "We're ok now" and then POW! Relapse. He's been to a few meetings and done a couple of podcasts. BFD.
It's "Cullen's problem" until she wants to make a video about it.

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[madi_b_123]

If Cullen has only been "in recovery" for a couple of weeks, why is Katie uploading a video about handling relapse? It's not like he has been in some legit program and working it, and things were changing, and she took a deep breath and thought, "We're ok now" and then POW! Relapse. He's been to a few meetings and done a couple of podcasts. BFD.
It's "Cullen's problem" until she wants to make a video about it.

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I didn’t watch the video so I don’t know what exactly she says but I hate how the thumbnail says “Preventing Relapse as a spouse” It’s not up to the spouse to prevent a relapse! And Cullen will probably relapse because 80% of people in recovery relapse at one point! Unless Katie starts attending Al-anon meetings and Cullen really, truly starts working a program I don’t see their relationship lasting more than a year


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[Playsinrain]

If Cullen has only been "in recovery" for a couple of weeks, why is Katie uploading a video about handling relapse? It's not like he has been in some legit program and working it, and things were changing, and she took a deep breath and thought, "We're ok now" and then POW! Relapse. He's been to a few meetings and done a couple of podcasts. BFD.
It's "Cullen's problem" until she wants to make a video about it.

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I only watched about half of it bc i was bored to tears, but from what i understood she wasn't even really talking about Cullen relapsing, she was talking more about herself relapsing as a "codependent". Maybe she went into his issues later in the video, but i did't make it that far. Seemed like a little clickbait to me... but, like with Cullen's depression, it seems like she is making his problem into her problem, even though she swears it's not her problem.
Why is she not calling herself an enabler? Bc that's exactly what she is. She allowed cullen to get away with things she was uncomfortable with for years, and kept letting him back in. Even to the point where she willingly allowed him to abuse his drug of choice and she didn't slow down on her drinking until she started wanting to lose weight. She keeps throwing up codependency issues, and i need to look up the exact definition to that, as i don't fully understand, but i feel like she needs to worry about how she enables Cullen instead of trying to make her struggles the same as his.

[Playsinrain]

Definition of codependency.. "excessive emotional or psychological reliance on a partner, typically one who requires support on account of an illness or addiction."

Now i know we are not inside their relationship, but i have never seen Katie seem like she is giving Cullen "excessive emotional reliance"... most times she has seemed completely flippant to his problems (at least on camera). I think she needs to reevaluate herself. She doesn't seem to want to admit she is his biggest enabler, and wants to cover that up with codependency mumbo jumbo

[FakingIt_MakingIt]

I wonder how much of an enabler she really was. I don't think Katie was into the harder drugs Cullen was into but he says she was a big drinker, she would stay up most nights and drink with him. Did she smoke pot too?
The more they talk the more things aren't making sense. And I know theyre (Katie) is trying to back track now to make this seem better then it is but she's just digging herself a bigger hole.

I agree with what Playsinrain last said. She has never seemed that worried or invested in Cullens emotions or supporting him. Even when Cullen comes out and admits he has a problem (depression and now addiction) she's spun it to how she suffers.