Katie:Learning to Say No to Everything Except Gaines|Part 21

[FakingIt_MakingIt]

If that’s the case, I can understand. It’s a fine line between being supportive and subjecting yourself to unnecessary drama/tension/conflict/drugs.
But given Jays job I don’t know that I’m team “drug use” being the reason. And really, they’ve had to have been around high Cullen and drunk Cullen AND Katie. So why would admitting they have a problem be when they decide to cut them off?
If anything I think it’s more likely that Kelly doesn’t like Katie up on her soap box. They’re both of the mind set that they know best, but Katie has really got up on her high horse lately. It probably clashes with Kelly. And Kelly being older and having probably been the “leader” for her younger sister for many years doesn’t like it. Even in the video talking about the closets Kelly visibly had attitude about Katie telling her what to do and proclaims she’s not doing that she’s doing it her way. Katie and her whole trust yourself mantra is probably causing some tension between her and her sister.

[Playsinrain]

Who knows..maybe jk didn’t know abt the cocain and whatever. Maybe they don’t think Cullen is getting the actual help he needs...hence it’s not going to stop. Ck seem to act like it’s all better now and things are hunky dori again. Games

the cocaine was (supposedly) in the past though.. cutting off family bc of things they did 20 years ago seems shitty. Either way it's terrible for Kelly to cut off her sister in a time where she needs all the help and support she can get. Like lmmomsd said, it's really hypocritical of Jay to use people in Cullen's position for financial gain but then turn his back on his SIL's family when they need support and Jay likely has resources to help Cullen that he could offer if he doesn't think he's getting the help he needs. I would really think a lot differently of jay and Kelly if they cut ties with family in a time of need like this, you don't treat family like that, period. Heres to hoping they are either busy and all too sick to hang out, or they are still just as close but we just aren't seeing it on the vlogs.

[Playsinrain]

If that’s the case, I can understand. It’s a fine line between being supportive and subjecting yourself to unnecessary drama/tension/conflict/drugs.
But given Jays job I don’t know that I’m team “drug use” being the reason. And really, they’ve had to have been around high Cullen and drunk Cullen AND Katie. So why would admitting they have a problem be when they decide to cut them off?
If anything I think it’s more likely that Kelly doesn’t like Katie up on her soap box. They’re both of the mind set that they know best, but Katie has really got up on her high horse lately. It probably clashes with Kelly. And Kelly being older and having probably been the “leader” for her younger sister for many years doesn’t like it. Even in the video talking about the closets Kelly visibly had attitude about Katie telling her what to do and proclaims she’s not doing that she’s doing it her way. Katie and her whole trust yourself mantra is probably causing some tension between her and her sister.

Well if that's the case Kelly needs to get over herself. I've always thought Kelly was the "boss" of Katie and it got under my skin so much. Maybe part of katie's new mantra is to stop letting her sister run her life and learning to tell KELLY no... food for thought..

[FakingIt_MakingIt]

If that’s the case, I can understand. It’s a fine line between being supportive and subjecting yourself to unnecessary drama/tension/conflict/drugs.
But given Jays job I don’t know that I’m team “drug use” being the reason. And really, they’ve had to have been around high Cullen and drunk Cullen AND Katie. So why would admitting they have a problem be when they decide to cut them off?
If anything I think it’s more likely that Kelly doesn’t like Katie up on her soap box. They’re both of the mind set that they know best, but Katie has really got up on her high horse lately. It probably clashes with Kelly. And Kelly being older and having probably been the “leader” for her younger sister for many years doesn’t like it. Even in the video talking about the closets Kelly visibly had attitude about Katie telling her what to do and proclaims she’s not doing that she’s doing it her way. Katie and her whole trust yourself mantra is probably causing some tension between her and her sister.

Well if that's the case Kelly needs to get over herself. I've always thought Kelly was the "boss" of Katie and it got under my skin so much. Maybe part of katie's new mantra is to stop letting her sister run her life and learning to tell KELLY no... food for thought..

Oh I totally agree. Katie even talked about having to learn to tell Kelly no. She talked about a nail appointment that Kelly wanted her to go to, she tried to guilt her into going even and Katie had to stand her ground but in the last she would have just went to make Kelly happy.

[Playsinrain]

If that’s the case, I can understand. It’s a fine line between being supportive and subjecting yourself to unnecessary drama/tension/conflict/drugs.
But given Jays job I don’t know that I’m team “drug use” being the reason. And really, they’ve had to have been around high Cullen and drunk Cullen AND Katie. So why would admitting they have a problem be when they decide to cut them off?
If anything I think it’s more likely that Kelly doesn’t like Katie up on her soap box. They’re both of the mind set that they know best, but Katie has really got up on her high horse lately. It probably clashes with Kelly. And Kelly being older and having probably been the “leader” for her younger sister for many years doesn’t like it. Even in the video talking about the closets Kelly visibly had attitude about Katie telling her what to do and proclaims she’s not doing that she’s doing it her way. Katie and her whole trust yourself mantra is probably causing some tension between her and her sister.

Well if that's the case Kelly needs to get over herself. I've always thought Kelly was the "boss" of Katie and it got under my skin so much. Maybe part of katie's new mantra is to stop letting her sister run her life and learning to tell KELLY no... food for thought..

Oh I totally agree. Katie even talked about having to learn to tell Kelly no. She talked about a nail appointment that Kelly wanted her to go to, she tried to guilt her into going even and Katie had to stand her ground but in the last she would have just went to make Kelly happy.

The last straw with me for Kelly was when C&K moved into the new house and J&K were over helping unpack.. Katie was setting up the kitchen and Kelly busts in and tells her to redo everything bc Kelly's way of organizing the cupboards was the "right" way. Like bitch take a seat, ill put my cups wherever the hell i want them!!!! Granted i'm a little triggered by their relationship bc my sister is the Kelly to my Katie.. but still, Kelly needs to take a step back most times.

[HelloSweetie]

Jay and Kelly have the real tea. They know what’s actually been going on, and how seriously it’s being taken. If they are pulling away (and we don’t even know that they actually are) then that goes along with the feeling many of us have here that the real story has been hidden.

I’m an avoid and don’t confront person. If my family member had a problem and I couldn’t get through to them, I would just distance myself so as not to seem like I’m enabling or encouraging. It’s possible Kelly is just more passive aggressive like that.

There could also be tension amongst the sisters because Katie is leaning on their parents financially? Total speculation, but we don’t really know what is going on. I do know you can’t live their lifestyle on what C&K make though. They absolutely aren’t saving for the future either, so their “retirement plan” is most likely an inheritance from Katie’s parents. That could be enough to irritate Kelly too.


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[FakingIt_MakingIt]

Jay and Kelly have the real tea. They know what’s actually been going on, and how seriously it’s being taken. If they are pulling away (and we don’t even know that they actually are) then that goes along with the feeling many of us have here that the real story has been hidden.

I’m an avoid and don’t confront person. If my family member had a problem and I couldn’t get through to them, I would just distance myself so as not to seem like I’m enabling or encouraging. It’s possible Kelly is just more passive aggressive like that.

There could also be tension amongst the sisters because Katie is leaning on their parents financially? Total speculation, but we don’t really know what is going on. I do know you can’t live their lifestyle on what C&K make though. They absolutely aren’t saving for the future either, so their “retirement plan” is most likely an inheritance from Katie’s parents. That could be enough to irritate Kelly too.


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Do they though? Katie has said they’ve been extremely quiet and hasn’t talked to anyone about it. If any family knows the “truth” I would bet it’s grandberry and Britney. Katie isn’t about to open up to anyone that her perfect life isn’t so perfect.
We also don’t know what Katie and Cullen make, especially lately with her own channel getting pretty consistent views, and the podcast (hopefully that’s shared with Britney). They’re probably ok month to month, you can get car loans for small payments (over MANY years) and their only other payment would be the house. I would imagine it’s likely the grandparents pay for a portion of the kids extracurricular activities. I would agree they’re not rolling in the cash and likely don’t have a huge savings but we can’t say they can’t afford their lifestyle.
Plus, if he was selling drugs too then he probably used that cash to fund his habit...

[HelloSweetie]

Jay and Kelly have the real tea. They know what’s actually been going on, and how seriously it’s being taken. If they are pulling away (and we don’t even know that they actually are) then that goes along with the feeling many of us have here that the real story has been hidden.

I’m an avoid and don’t confront person. If my family member had a problem and I couldn’t get through to them, I would just distance myself so as not to seem like I’m enabling or encouraging. It’s possible Kelly is just more passive aggressive like that.

There could also be tension amongst the sisters because Katie is leaning on their parents financially? Total speculation, but we don’t really know what is going on. I do know you can’t live their lifestyle on what C&K make though. They absolutely aren’t saving for the future either, so their “retirement plan” is most likely an inheritance from Katie’s parents. That could be enough to irritate Kelly too.


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Do they though? Katie has said they’ve been extremely quiet and hasn’t talked to anyone about it. If any family knows the “truth” I would bet it’s grandberry and Britney. Katie isn’t about to open up to anyone that her perfect life isn’t so perfect.
We also don’t know what Katie and Cullen make, especially lately with her own channel getting pretty consistent views, and the podcast (hopefully that’s shared with Britney). They’re probably ok month to month, you can get car loans for small payments (over MANY years) and their only other payment would be the house. I would imagine it’s likely the grandparents pay for a portion of the kids extracurricular activities. I would agree they’re not rolling in the cash and likely don’t have a huge savings but we can’t say they can’t afford their lifestyle.
Plus, if he was selling drugs too then he probably used that cash to fund his habit...

A car loan is still debt. I know it’s common for people to look at debt in terms of monthly payments instead of the total debt load, but this philosophy is really dangerous. No financial advisor would agree. Katie and Cullen are materialistic and are living a lifestyle they cannot properly afford AND save for the future with. They aren’t going to pay these vehicles off and then continue to drive them. They’ll upgrade!

According to Social Blade they are maybe making 75k between the main channel and Katie’s. Even if they are killing it on IG, they wouldn’t be making too much more than $100k. Even this is a huge reach, but for argument purposes I’ll go with it. $100k is NOT enough to live the lifestyle they are living. It just isn’t. They would need to save ALOT for retirement, and to put the kids through college like Katie had. They cannot rely on GD to pay for anything in the future. He worked hard, and needs his own money to live on. I see money discussed on these boards all the time as though $100-$200k is a windfall, and trust me, when you have children, need to save for the future, and have to pay taxes at a higher rate, it doesn’t go as far as you’d think. C&K do not have the money to pay for their lifestyle.

Yes Brittany probably has more tea than J&K, but my point was that J&K know a heck of a lot more than we do about it.

Katie may be doing well with her channel, but the main channel is flatlining so I don’t know how much better they are doing financially exactly. Shes definitely setting herself up to not need Cullen.

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[FakingIt_MakingIt]

Jay and Kelly have the real tea. They know what’s actually been going on, and how seriously it’s being taken. If they are pulling away (and we don’t even know that they actually are) then that goes along with the feeling many of us have here that the real story has been hidden.

I’m an avoid and don’t confront person. If my family member had a problem and I couldn’t get through to them, I would just distance myself so as not to seem like I’m enabling or encouraging. It’s possible Kelly is just more passive aggressive like that.

There could also be tension amongst the sisters because Katie is leaning on their parents financially? Total speculation, but we don’t really know what is going on. I do know you can’t live their lifestyle on what C&K make though. They absolutely aren’t saving for the future either, so their “retirement plan” is most likely an inheritance from Katie’s parents. That could be enough to irritate Kelly too.


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Do they though? Katie has said they’ve been extremely quiet and hasn’t talked to anyone about it. If any family knows the “truth” I would bet it’s grandberry and Britney. Katie isn’t about to open up to anyone that her perfect life isn’t so perfect.
We also don’t know what Katie and Cullen make, especially lately with her own channel getting pretty consistent views, and the podcast (hopefully that’s shared with Britney). They’re probably ok month to month, you can get car loans for small payments (over MANY years) and their only other payment would be the house. I would imagine it’s likely the grandparents pay for a portion of the kids extracurricular activities. I would agree they’re not rolling in the cash and likely don’t have a huge savings but we can’t say they can’t afford their lifestyle.
Plus, if he was selling drugs too then he probably used that cash to fund his habit...

A car loan is still debt. I know it’s common for people to look at debt in terms of monthly payments instead of the total debt load, but this philosophy is really dangerous. No financial advisor would agree. Katie and Cullen are materialistic and are living a lifestyle they cannot properly afford AND save for the future with. They aren’t going to pay these vehicles off and then continue to drive them. They’ll upgrade!

According to Social Blade they are maybe making 75k between the main channel and Katie’s. Even if they are killing it on IG, they wouldn’t be making too much more than $100k. Even this is a huge reach, but for argument purposes I’ll go with it. $100k is NOT enough to live the lifestyle they are living. It just isn’t. They would need to save ALOT for retirement, and to put the kids through college like Katie had. They cannot rely on GD to pay for anything in the future. He worked hard, and needs his own money to live on. I see money discussed on these boards all the time as though $100-$200k is a windfall, and trust me, when you have children, need to save for the future, and have to pay taxes at a higher rate, it doesn’t go as far as you’d think. C&K do not have the money to pay for their lifestyle.

Yes Brittany probably has more tea than J&K, but my point was that J&K know a heck of a lot more than we do about it.


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I never said a car loan wasn’t debt. I said that you can get a car loan at low monthly payments spread out over many years. Which would help them get bills paid each month.

I’m an accountant actually so I’m very aware how far money goes....IMO they could definitely be living their lifestyle on 100,000 a year. I’ve already said that I doubt they have much in the ways of savings but I do think it’s possible to live how they’re living without needing financial help at this moment from Katie’s parents. They don’t travel, when they do it’s to places they’re not paying to stay at. They haven’t updated their home, this bathroom insurance remodel is all they’ve done other then paint. They hardly shop high end. They have a nice suv, that I’m sure they’re making minimum payments on and a home. That’s it really.

[HelloSweetie]

I never said a car loan wasn’t debt. I said that you can get a car loan at low monthly payments spread out over many years. Which would help them get bills paid each month.

I’m an accountant actually so I’m very aware how far money goes....IMO they could definitely be living their lifestyle on 100,000 a year. I’ve already said that I doubt they have much in the ways of savings but I do think it’s possible to live how they’re living without needing financial help at this moment from Katie’s parents. They don’t travel, when they do it’s to places they’re not paying to stay at. They haven’t updated their home, this bathroom insurance remodel is all they’ve done other then paint. They hardly shop high end. They have a nice suv, that I’m sure they’re making minimum payments on and a home. That’s it really.

They hardly shop high end? Ok. They don’t have Gucci, but they shop ALOT.

Look. I know how far that money goes firsthand when you are putting it towards the things you’re supposed to in order to have a secure future. I don’t need to be an accountant. They shouldn’t just be paying their monthly debts, they need to be making headway on those loans. What if YT stopped monetization tomorrow? I find it unlikely try even have an emergency savings.

Our financial planner went into a rant the other day about couples like C&K (not them specifically) who need to have the fancy vehicles, homes, etc, but who have a pile of debt behind them. They have the illusion of money, but in reality have more debt than the single mom renting an apartment. This isn’t having money. It’s reckless, especially with a career as unstable as You Tube.





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[lmmomSD]

"consistent views"? Their views are trending downwards big time. Just a few months ago, they got between 20-50K views a day. A year ago, they were getting closer to 100K. Their views were starting to tank when they bought the house. It was a dumb move. The fact that they had to do owner financing should have been a clue that they shouldn't do it. But they _had_ to have the country club house down the street from Kelly, even though their house was big enough. Not ideal, but surely big enough.
Now their views barely break 20K. Most days they get 10,000-15,000.
Consistently _tanking_, yes. And there's more than just the mortgage. They have property taxes, insurance, health insurance, electricity (which I bet that house eats) Cullen has said that the car payment and house payment stress him out. So if the car payment was tiny, I don't think he would be as stressed.
They're trying to live Jay and Kelly's lifestyle on a meager salary. They're probably running up credit card debt. I would be looking for a job if I were them.

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[FakingIt_MakingIt]

I never said a car loan wasn’t debt. I said that you can get a car loan at low monthly payments spread out over many years. Which would help them get bills paid each month.

I’m an accountant actually so I’m very aware how far money goes....IMO they could definitely be living their lifestyle on 100,000 a year. I’ve already said that I doubt they have much in the ways of savings but I do think it’s possible to live how they’re living without needing financial help at this moment from Katie’s parents. They don’t travel, when they do it’s to places they’re not paying to stay at. They haven’t updated their home, this bathroom insurance remodel is all they’ve done other then paint. They hardly shop high end. They have a nice suv, that I’m sure they’re making minimum payments on and a home. That’s it really.

They hardly shop high end? Ok.

Look. I know how far that money goes firsthand when you are putting it towards the things you’re supposed to in order to have a secure future. I don’t need to be an accountant. They shouldn’t just be paying their monthly debts, they need to be making headway on those loans. What if YT stopped monetization tomorrow? I find it unlikely try even have an emergency savings.

Our financial planner went into a rant the other day about couples like C&K (not them specifically) who need to have the fancy vehicles, homes, etc, but who have a pile of debt behind them. They have the illusion of money, but in reality have more debt than the single mom renting an apartment. This isn’t having money. It’s reckless, especially with a career as unstable as You Tube.





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Khols ad Costco surely aren’t high end...

I NEVER said that they’re living responsibly. You’re reading something that isn’t there. I said that they could (likely are IMO) be able to afford their month to month expenses without needing financial help. In fact I said more then once that they’re likely not saving.

Just because you feel that they can’t afford their monthly expenses and might be relying on Katie parents, which in turn might be annoying Kelly and I don’t agree and have made my point on why I don’t agree doesn’t mean I’m wrong. And you repeatedly implying I’ve said things I’ve never said doesn’t make you right either.

I’ve said my piece on why I disagreed on the potential reason you brought up for what seems to be a distance between the sisters. You’ve made up things I’ve never said to argue your stance. Let it go.

[HelloSweetie]

"consistent views"? Their views are trending downwards big time. Just a few months ago, they got between 20-50K views a day. A year ago, they were getting closer to 100K. Their views were starting to tank when they bought the house. It was a dumb move. The fact that they had to do owner financing should have been a clue that they shouldn't do it. But they _had_ to have the country club house down the street from Kelly, even though their house was big enough. Not ideal, but surely big enough.
Now their views barely break 20K. Most days they get 10,000-15,000.
Consistently _tanking_, yes. And there's more than just the mortgage. They have property taxes, insurance, health insurance, electricity (which I bet that house eats) Cullen has said that the car payment and house payment stress him out. So if the car payment was tiny, I don't think he would be as stressed.
They're trying to live Jay and Kelly's lifestyle on a meager salary. They're probably running up credit card debt. I would be looking for a job if I were them.

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Right! My point exactly.

They were in a better position with their channel when they moved to the house than they are now, and people questioned how they could afford it then.

Their poor financial decisions also have me questioning just how much money Doc and Dolly actually have. It’s possible they just have loans on everything as well, and this is why Katie thinks it’s normal.


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[lovingthisforum]

Wait....Gaines has the flu, and they take them to an event where 1000's of other people were?


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I was just coming here to comment on that. She needs breakfast in bed, but let's take her out to expose everyone.
Didn't any of them get a flu shot?
And girls can't like Spiderman? Gaines really needs a haircut. I know Katie likes to pretend Gaines is a princess, but real princesses keep their hair trimmed. Those ends are getting straggly.
Brooks is trying to get attention, and stuffs his mouth full of food, then sticks his face in the camera, shows everyone his mouthful of food, and then spits it out. Katie just says "No, they don't want to see that" sort of under her breath, and kept on filming herself yammering.
And Katie, you're not an OB GYN, and especially not Britany's. You don't say to a first time mother, "If she turned, she's in trouble!" The look on Britany's face was awful. You don't say shit like that to a woman who is "officially on baby watch" with her first baby. Speaking of which, using Britany's baby to try and get views? She was in the video for about 2 minutes at most.


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Exactly, exactly!!!! So happy you mentioned all that. Except that I experienced the Gaines-breakfast-in-bed a little differently, when she was walking and dancing in the street in a t-shirt not long after, well then she didn't need this stupid princess treatment in bed apparently! Let her eat together with Brooks at the kitchen island already. ...Who was left alone there by the way.

[woahnow]

I noticed the obvious separating between c&k and J&K but also noticed that Dolly and Doc are alittle MIA too. Correct me if I'm wrong but they only time I've heard anything about them is when Dolly watched the kids so cullen could take katie for a flu test. Usually they would be over to see the kids regularly. Also is granddolly day still a thing with Gaines? Do they do it with Brooks?

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[lovingthisforum]

Wait....Gaines has the flu, and they take them to an event where 1000's of other people were?


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In the comments they clarify that the first clip and the Spider-Man show were 4 (or maybe 5) days apart and that she had been fever free for well over 24 hours. They also said that they should have put something in there saying as much but he was editing while in the urgent care with Katie so he didn’t think about it/was distracted. But she was fine by the time they went to the show.

Okay, that explains it then. But of course Katie had to sit with Gaines on her lap, and Brooks was with Cullen, B&C later in a different row, 1 in front of K&G. Of course Brooks was only good enough when Gaines had to grab popcorn or something they were eating, but the bossy way in which she was grabbing this....

Did you also hear the unfriendly tone of voice Gaines basically always had in this vlog? Also, sentence-wise and tone-wise she is saying instead of asking questions, so in either situation she is always saying things. Not cute at all. And the way miss had to double-check if Brooks was right in answering "I love you" to Katie, which was so sweet by the way with his little pointing finger and much sweeter than Gaines who just said it empty and for show and because she knows she's Katie's favorite....so the way she had to double-check whether Brooks was right that "I love you" was on the balloon and when Cullen said yes she shortly said "oh". Also, she was contradicting herself because she had intervened Brooks and had answered in his place "I love you" for his parent's question what was on his balloon. But now apparently she didn't know. No of course you don't, you can't read, so why are you answering in his place?? She can't stand he is getting attention and is trying to control. Brooks was fed up with her interference and said to leave him alone, awww, but not a good sign he _had_ to, and Katie (or Cullen) neglected to confirm him towards Gaines IMO and should have repeated to Gaines top STOP _after_ he had done so, also raising her voice for once wouldn't hurt frankly. Because apparently she needs it. It's been several times already C&K have been saying to her to not intervene or answer in his place.

[Playsinrain]

Wait....Gaines has the flu, and they take them to an event where 1000's of other people were?


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In the comments they clarify that the first clip and the Spider-Man show were 4 (or maybe 5) days apart and that she had been fever free for well over 24 hours. They also said that they should have put something in there saying as much but he was editing while in the urgent care with Katie so he didn’t think about it/was distracted. But she was fine by the time they went to the show.

Okay, that explains it then. But of course Katie had to sit with Gaines on her lap, and Brooks was with Cullen, B&C later in a different row, 1 in front of K&G. Of course Brooks was only good enough when Gaines had to grab popcorn or something they were eating, but the bossy way in which she was grabbing this....

Did you also hear the unfriendly tone of voice Gaines basically always had in this vlog? Also, sentence-wise and tone-wise she is saying instead of asking questions, so in either situation she is always saying things. Not cute at all. And the way miss had to double-check if Brooks was right in answering "I love you" to Katie, which was so sweet by the way with his little pointing finger and much sweeter than Gaines who just said it empty and for show and because she knows she's Katie's favorite....so the way she had to double-check whether Brooks was right that "I love you" was on the balloon and when Cullen said yes she shortly said "oh". Also, she was contradicting herself because she had intervened Brooks and had answered in his place "I love you" for his parent's question what was on his balloon. But now apparently she didn't know. No of course you don't, you can't read, so why are you answering in his place?? She can't stand he is getting attention and is trying to control. Brooks was fed up with her interference and said to leave him alone, awww, but not a good sign he _had_ to, and Katie (or Cullen) neglected to confirm him towards Gaines IMO and should have repeated to Gaines top STOP _after_ he had done so, also raising her voice for once wouldn't hurt frankly. Because apparently she needs it. It's been several times already C&K have been saying to her to not intervene or answer in his place.

I don't understand how this is viewed as a bad thing?? Them sitting in their parent's laps is a problem?

[lovingthisforum]

It's always Gaines with Katie and Brooks with Cullen. That is not natural. That is Katie's doing.

[HelloSweetie]

It's always Gaines with Katie and Brooks with Cullen. That is not natural. That is Katie's doing.

I see what you are saying. This instance on its own there is no problem, but if an argument can’t be made at least 50% of the time that Brookes is the favourite, then there is probably a problem. I think Katie and Brooks would benefit from having a bonding activity they do together. Gaines and Cullen could even go do their own thing too!


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[lmmomSD]

It's always Gaines with Katie and Brooks with Cullen. That is not natural. That is Katie's doing.

It's really obvious. It's _always_ Katie and Gaines and Brooks and Cullen. Even making breakfast, it's "the boys". Going shopping for Christmas presents-- Katie and Gaines went together, and Cullen took Brooks.
The kids sitting on their laps is fine. It's that it's always Gaines sitting on Katie's lap.

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