Glad she is dressing Lincoln like a big boy now.queenc13 wrote:See what I mean... her Mother’s Day pic she just posted on insta/FB is SO nice. She looks great, the kids look good. She’s got a pony in, a real smile and she looks out together. A glimpse at the normal family I used to love.
For me one of the biggest issues I have with Bonnie's surgery that I don't have with Joels is Bonnie preached body positivity, and had Albion back her up, she talks about how important it is to love your body and be confident at any shape/size but that clearly isn't how she feels. And it certainly isn't what she's teaching her children, especially Olivia.LumpyDays wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 6:57 am I think most people don't have a problem with them spending money on things to make them feel better. It's the fact that she CRIED about having the privilege of having a trainer come and help her and she ate rubbish and complained she couldn't lose weight.
I'm sure if she'd said, stuff this, sorry guys, I'm getting it sucked out, there would have been some push back but nowhere near as much.
And Joel is feeding into her delusions of grandeur. He should be the voice of reason. But he's tying her shoes and leaving his kids when they are sick. I have no issue with him getting plugs. I have issue with his rubbish and neglectful parenting because he should know better.
FakingIt_MakingIt wrote:Joel definitely isn't working traditional hours, and he (and Bonnie) could absolutely be more involved in their children's lives. But I don't think comparing Joel to Ellie or Missy is fair. If anything I think Joel and Katie are a more fair comparison. Joel does to all of the editing. He may also be replying to sponsor emails, and just because he doesn't have his own instagram (social media in general) doesn't mean he isn't responsible for some of the posts on Bonnies or Bollies. Joel also does a lot of the work regarding Bollie's warehouse.
Joel isn't laying in bed all day while the kids make their own breakfast. Joel does get up and run and then gets the kids off to school while Bonnie is in bed.
Also, its worth noting that at this point we don't know the hours Bri is spending at their home anymore. With her move out of town it could very well be that she isn't there daily.
IMO Joel is definitely more involved with his kids then Bonnie is. But I would also say he's less involved then he was when he was working overnights for P&G. Is he the awesome, doting parent that he claimed he was going to be when he quit his job? No, I don't think so. He's a far cry from the hardworking, productive man he was a few years ago that's for sure, but I don't think he's quite as lazy and uninvolved as Ellie. Not yet anyways.
HelloSweetie wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 9:43 amFakingIt_MakingIt wrote:Joel definitely isn't working traditional hours, and he (and Bonnie) could absolutely be more involved in their children's lives. But I don't think comparing Joel to Ellie or Missy is fair. If anything I think Joel and Katie are a more fair comparison. Joel does to all of the editing. He may also be replying to sponsor emails, and just because he doesn't have his own instagram (social media in general) doesn't mean he isn't responsible for some of the posts on Bonnies or Bollies. Joel also does a lot of the work regarding Bollie's warehouse.
Joel isn't laying in bed all day while the kids make their own breakfast. Joel does get up and run and then gets the kids off to school while Bonnie is in bed.
Also, its worth noting that at this point we don't know the hours Bri is spending at their home anymore. With her move out of town it could very well be that she isn't there daily.
IMO Joel is definitely more involved with his kids then Bonnie is. But I would also say he's less involved then he was when he was working overnights for P&G. Is he the awesome, doting parent that he claimed he was going to be when he quit his job? No, I don't think so. He's a far cry from the hardworking, productive man he was a few years ago that's for sure, but I don't think he's quite as lazy and uninvolved as Ellie. Not yet anyways.
I really don’t think Joel is answering emails.
Fair enough, he probably is more like Katie, but she gets a fair bit of criticism for how she edits. Joel edits, but if he puts in something questionable, people argue that it was Bonnie’s influence. He really does get far more of a pass than Bonnie sound in the same situation.
I mean, getting a second new truck couldn’t have been any farther off who Joel used to be, but people justified it as he deserved it. Bonnie hires a trainer and it’s taking food out of her children’s mouths? I just don’t think there should be such a gender bias.
ETA: my original post wasn’t in response to any of your comments. You are one of the few posters willing to at least acknowledge his laziness.
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This was a very nice photo and I don't know is we'll see the former normal family again. Olivia is getting so tall and I wonder if she takes after her maternal grandfather.Ducklings4 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 4:24 pmGlad she is dressing Lincoln like a big boy now.queenc13 wrote:See what I mean... her Mother’s Day pic she just posted on insta/FB is SO nice. She looks great, the kids look good. She’s got a pony in, a real smile and she looks out together. A glimpse at the normal family I used to love.
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Agree with a lot of this, but I don’t agree with Joel being on social media. He’s getting crap for selling out and not paying attention to his kids, but we want him to be more present on social media? I don’t agree with that.HelloSweetie wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 9:20 am My post about people excusing Joel for things wasn’t just about surgeries. A lot of the posts about how Bonnie is failing her kids, or using Bri as a replacement excuses Joel because they assume Joel is off working like most men. He isn’t though...
Joel is Ellie (Missy, Katie, etc)
Bonnie is Jared (Bryan, Cullen, etc)
People forget that Bri is doing the job that Joel should be helping with, so at best the lazy parenting criticisms apply to Joel and Bonnie equally. If he stepped it up, they wouldn’t need Bri. Bonnie gets a trainer and people comment on how it’s coming out of the kids time. They have a father that could definitely watch them for an hour while she works out. Bonnie has watched the kids many times when Joel has gone off with the boys.
I expect Jared to be involved with the kids, but don’t expect him to do it all. Most of my criticism is directed at Ellie’s willingness to avoid her kids. How is Joel any less guilty of this? He isn’t imo, and I can’t give him a pass on it because men aren’t traditionally involved. I think it sucks that he quit his job under the guise of wanting to be around more for the kids, when the truth was he wanted to play with Jared more and be around more for BONNIE.
I mean, not being on social media any longer isn’t endearing, it’s looking more like laziness and an unwillingness to grow and at least learn how to navigate the business they are full in on. I criticize Ellie, Katie, Missy for siting back and letting the men do everything and it would be hypocritical to not levy the same criticisms onto Joel. I used to really adore Joel, but he’s such a loser now. The hair plugs didn’t do that.
I still don’t think the hair plugs are going to make Joel happy. I don’t think they were ever the reason he isn’t happy. It might help, but no more than Bonnie’s weight loss helped her.
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She's clueless about everything except maybe nail polish.lmmomSD wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:51 am What is the "gluten free" kick she's on all of a sudden? Gushing over the gluten free cake-- it's not calorie free. There's no reason to avoid gluten if you don't have celiac disease. Or you're trying it for something like ADHD or ASD. And if one of her kids has either of those,they sure have been quiet about it! Plus, gluten free flour is a lot more expensive than regular flour.
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queenc13 wrote:Agree with a lot of this, but I don’t agree with Joel being on social media. He’s getting crap for selling out and not paying attention to his kids, but we want him to be more present on social media? I don’t agree with that.HelloSweetie wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 9:20 am My post about people excusing Joel for things wasn’t just about surgeries. A lot of the posts about how Bonnie is failing her kids, or using Bri as a replacement excuses Joel because they assume Joel is off working like most men. He isn’t though...
Joel is Ellie (Missy, Katie, etc)
Bonnie is Jared (Bryan, Cullen, etc)
People forget that Bri is doing the job that Joel should be helping with, so at best the lazy parenting criticisms apply to Joel and Bonnie equally. If he stepped it up, they wouldn’t need Bri. Bonnie gets a trainer and people comment on how it’s coming out of the kids time. They have a father that could definitely watch them for an hour while she works out. Bonnie has watched the kids many times when Joel has gone off with the boys.
I expect Jared to be involved with the kids, but don’t expect him to do it all. Most of my criticism is directed at Ellie’s willingness to avoid her kids. How is Joel any less guilty of this? He isn’t imo, and I can’t give him a pass on it because men aren’t traditionally involved. I think it sucks that he quit his job under the guise of wanting to be around more for the kids, when the truth was he wanted to play with Jared more and be around more for BONNIE.
I mean, not being on social media any longer isn’t endearing, it’s looking more like laziness and an unwillingness to grow and at least learn how to navigate the business they are full in on. I criticize Ellie, Katie, Missy for siting back and letting the men do everything and it would be hypocritical to not levy the same criticisms onto Joel. I used to really adore Joel, but he’s such a loser now. The hair plugs didn’t do that.
I still don’t think the hair plugs are going to make Joel happy. I don’t think they were ever the reason he isn’t happy. It might help, but no more than Bonnie’s weight loss helped her.
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I’ve said it before but those blankets are ridiculous overpriced. I’ll admit it again, I bought one when I was pregnant with my rainbow baby. He hated it. I could see it being a great blanket for a pet though because they are really thick. I would give mine to our dog if I could trust her to not chew it.natalka81 wrote:That video (which I could not get through) on the best products for puppies was incredibly obnoxious. Why is everything an ad or an influencer opportunity for Bonnie? I guess that's the nature of the business, but it drives me nuts! And why is she making this video now, like she's looking back on the 'would have/should have/could haves' as if she's been a small dog owner for several years? Also, a Minky Couture blanket for a puppy???
