Bonnie Hoellein: Busy As A Bri | Part 55

[YTIG60]

I mean, I have a boob job. I don’t regret my decision for a single second, and love by boobs every single day I wake up with them. I literally hated my chest before. Does that mean I’m damaging my daughter? Does that mean she’ll grow up to hate her chest and think she’ll only be beautiful if she has surgery like me?
I don’t think so. I preach body autonomy, personal decisions, and a healthy, happy lifestyle, whatever that means for my children. I don’t see how it’s any different from Bonnie. She made a choice not to lose the weight in her own and get surgery. She’s not running around and telling Olivia to hop on a treadmill or get surgery because she needs to change. I don’t really see how my surgery and Bonnie’s surgery are different other than I couldn’t have worked harder to grow myself a chest and she could have worked harder at losing the weight, and I don’t see how her losing the weight naturally and then saying she’s happier thinner vs her having the surgery and saying she’s happier thinner is any different or more damaging to Olivia.

I see difference and similarities in have breast augmentation and liposuction. Both are elective procedures that come with risk of infections and other problems as seen with Bonnie's complications. However, Bonnie will still need to change her diet and add exercise in order to maintain her results and you will not. The problem is I think Bonnie is at risk with gaining weight back since she didn't look at the causes of her weight gain. That is something you didn't need to address prior to or after your surgery.
For her viewers, they may find her choice unrelatable since insurance doesn't cover either procedure. Mothers are role models and they play a significant part in how daughters see themselves and Bonnie seems to be affected with her mom's idea of having thin daughters.

[YTIG60]

Sorry in advance for the triple post, I haven’t had the time to get on as much as I used to, so I’m trying to catch up.

I’ll just say that I, personally, don’t find that the whole “if it wasn’t for the body positivity stuff I’d be fine” comments are 100% truthful. When she was larger, people still wrecked her on this board with fat shaming comments— straight down to how fat her fingers are. She decided to hire a personal trainer and people dragged her for crying about how hard it was (which it is) and for what foods she was eating. Then she gets surgery and people can’t stand the fact that she got surgery, still say her stomach looks large, comment every time they think she’s gained back a pound, say they hate her new shape, or a combination of all of thee above. Had she stuck with the personal trainer and dieted, I’m sure many people would have had something to say about that too! How she’s taking time away from her kids to work out, how “normal” mom’s can’t hire a personal trainer, how she’s only losing weight to look like Ellie or her sisters. Had she stayed larger and preached body positivity, people would be in an uproar that she’s preaching an unhealthy lifestyle to her children, called her lazy for not working out like Joel, and commented on her shape.
She literally can not and could not have won when it comes to her body and weight, and I stand by that.

I meant to quote this and instead like this, and I'm speaking for myself since I don't agree. I don't like her hands since her nails are too long. Her hands this summer with shorter nails looked good. I have been on record saying she was pretty prior to surgery, but I wasn't posting here back last summer. If I was, I would say she wasn't be honest with herself with her diet when she said how she gained weight while exercising. I think she is happy with her shape; I don't think it is a natural look as seen with plastic surgery procedures. Did anyone give her grief about exercising with a trainer...I'd have to go back and look. I thought it was a positive move she exercised, but it was hard work and it wasn't something she wanted to do. I will move forward having posted too many comments on this subject:)

[HelloSweetie]

I think Bonnie is the fat sister and people would have preferred she stay that way . It is possible to like yourself at a larger weight, and still want to change it. Bonnie also did try to hide the surgery from Olivia originally, but that’s besides the point....

She tried a trainer, but didn’t try hard enough because of the crap she was still eating. This is so normal for some people, and absolutely part of the overeating struggle. This is why overweight people tend to fail. It’s actually really relatable. Bonnie has food issues ingrained in her just as much as her sisters do. She needs therapy. She doesn’t need a bunch of daily posts pointing out that she needs more Botox, a neck lift, a revision on her butt, lipo on her knees, laughing about her hair loss (or fat fingers), etc. People post about how they would fix the gap in her teeth, but then there was a vlog where people thought she was getting braces and everyone was angry af. Ultimately, it’s her body. We can debate what she is teaching Olivia, but I fail to see how pages and pages of body shaming her mother will help Olivia in any way one day.


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[HelloSweetie]

I meant to quote this and instead like this, and I'm speaking for myself since I don't agree. I don't like her hands since her nails are too long. Her hands this summer with shorter nails looked good. I have been on record saying she was pretty prior to surgery, but I wasn't posting here back last summer. If I was, I would say she wasn't be honest with herself with her diet when she said how she gained weight while exercising. I think she is happy with her shape; I don't think it is a natural look as seen with plastic surgery procedures. Did anyone give her grief about exercising with a trainer...I'd have to go back and look. I thought it was a positive move she exercised, but it was hard work and it wasn't something she wanted to do. I will move forward having posted too many comments on this subject:)

She got tons of grief for the trainer. She was selfish for taking time out of the kids time, she wasn’t trying hard enough, etc.




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[FakingIt_MakingIt]

If Olivia ever reads here I think what’s said about her mothers choice to have surgery/body will be the least of her worries. The things Bonnie (and Joel) have subjected Olivia (and the boys) to for the sake of being YouTube famous are far more detrimental then anything anyone here could say.

[HelloSweetie]

If Olivia ever reads here I think what’s said about her mothers choice to have surgery/body will be the least of her worries. The things Bonnie (and Joel) have subjected Olivia (and the boys) to for the sake of being YouTube famous are far more detrimental then anything anyone here could say.

Absolutely.

I still don’t think that makes the body shaming necessary.


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[queenc13]

I meant to quote this and instead like this, and I'm speaking for myself since I don't agree. I don't like her hands since her nails are too long. Her hands this summer with shorter nails looked good. I have been on record saying she was pretty prior to surgery, but I wasn't posting here back last summer. If I was, I would say she wasn't be honest with herself with her diet when she said how she gained weight while exercising. I think she is happy with her shape; I don't think it is a natural look as seen with plastic surgery procedures. Did anyone give her grief about exercising with a trainer...I'd have to go back and look. I thought it was a positive move she exercised, but it was hard work and it wasn't something she wanted to do. I will move forward having posted too many comments on this subject:)

She got tons of grief for the trainer. She was selfish for taking time out of the kids time, she wasn’t trying hard enough, etc.




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She gets grief for any decision she makes with her body. I’ll be the first to admit I hate her long nails. I hate nails like that on anyone, actually. But that’s a style choice, not a body issue. There are dozens of comments saying she had sausage fingers and that she should stop showing her fat fingers.

Fluctuating in weight is a normal, human thing. Getting lipo may not be relatable to many, but having body confidence issues, struggling to diet and exercise, getting frustrated and discouraged and failing to stick with one plan are valid and relatable issues for many women (and men.) Why is it that Bonnie has to constantly validate her body positivity, prove to other people that she’s eating well or exercising or not get surgery just to please people and remain “relatable?” It’s added shame and pressure no one needs.

[Vlog4money]

Can we talk about Joel and the way he talks to the kids? Today while having Cody help him with the tubes...he made it a point to remind Cody that he did not get to participate in the joy of tubing as he and Bonnie did, but he would be helping because there are lots of times Joel has to clean up after Cody's activities. The whole thing was just unnecessary. Why remind the kids that they are off having fun without them? Why point out that Joel has to clean up after Cody? He is the parent...that is his job!

Also, with Lincoln. "Should we go throw a rock at Lady because she won't be quiet?" OMG! That poor dog.

We focus on Bonnie a lot, but I think Joel is quickly becoming worse than Bonnie.

[FakingIt_MakingIt]

Can we talk about Joel and the way he talks to the kids? Today while having Cody help him with the tubes...he made it a point to remind Cody that he did not get to participate in the joy of tubing as he and Bonnie did, but he would be helping because there are lots of times Joel has to clean up after Cody's activities. The whole thing was just unnecessary. Why remind the kids that they are off having fun without them? Why point out that Joel has to clean up after Cody? He is the parent...that is his job!

Also, with Lincoln. "Should we go throw a rock at Lady because she won't be quiet?" OMG! That poor dog.

We focus on Bonnie a lot, but I think Joel is quickly becoming worse than Bonnie.

Yes! The more Joel talks the worse my opinion of him becomes.

[natalka81]

My personal thoughts:
1. Comments on any part of anyone's body for any reason are just completely unnecessary.
2. Joel definitely has been guilty of some doozies. I seem to recall him referring to his boys as pansies at one point and also using some other extremely misogynistic phrase that I can't even remember now and don't care to!

[Ohnonotme]

I think Bonnie is the fat sister and people would have preferred she stay that way . It is possible to like yourself at a larger weight, and still want to change it. Bonnie also did try to hide the surgery from Olivia originally, but that’s besides the point....

She tried a trainer, but didn’t try hard enough because of the crap she was still eating. This is so normal for some people, and absolutely part of the overeating struggle. This is why overweight people tend to fail. It’s actually really relatable. Bonnie has food issues ingrained in her just as much as her sisters do. She needs therapy. She doesn’t need a bunch of daily posts pointing out that she needs more Botox, a neck lift, a revision on her butt, lipo on her knees, laughing about her hair loss (or fat fingers), etc. People post about how they would fix the gap in her teeth, but then there was a vlog where people thought she was getting braces and everyone was angry af. Ultimately, it’s her body. We can debate what she is teaching Olivia, but I fail to see how pages and pages of body shaming her mother will help Olivia in any way one day.

Bonnie can choose to do whatever she likes with her body. At the end of the day, it’s hers and she ultimately decides if she’s happy with it or not. Why does everything need therapy? More people than not have some eating issues (not disorders). Overeating, too much junk food, sugar, etc. The therapist’s would be booked solid.
What I find interesting with Bonnie is that since she’s had the lipo, she seems to be eating healthier and exercising by participating with more physical activities. Why couldn’t she eat better at least pre lipo? It’s like it psychologically given her the push she needed - I’ve paid for a better body, and I’m damned well going to look after it.
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[kathpt]

If Bonnie didn’t preach body positivity but then turn around and pay for a body she thinks she would like better it wouldn’t be as bad.
If Bonnie didn’t have a daughter whose self image she’s harming it wouldn’t be as bad. How’s Olivia, whose very much shaped like Bonnie, supposed to feel about herself when her mom clearly thinks there’s something wrong with their body shape?

Bonnie knows her reasons for surgery are pathetic, she didn’t even give working out and eating good a shot. She trained with a trainer for a few weeks, all while still stuffing her face regularly. If Bonnie felt good about her decision she would have been honest with her mom, and viewers. Did she really think she would be able to hide being sizes smaller and that booty and act like working out just made all the difference over night?

The sad thing is I don’t think Bonnie is any happier after surgery #1, and I don’t see surgery #2 making a difference. Bonnie is still mean, petty, and jealous.

She was very ashamed and admitted she thought surgery would change the way she felt, but afterwards realised she was still unhappy. I don't remember which video she talked about this, but I think it was a sit down one.

The fact that you have to hide such a huge surgery from your family speaks volumes. She's an adult, she should make decisions for herself and her family, without having to consult or be scared people are gonna react badly. This isn't like having your first tattoo done and hiding it from your mother at 16.
While it's 'normal' to not want to disappoint your mother, this action just showed how toxic that relationship is.

Also, Joel: we probably liked him so much before because he wasn't on the vlogs as much. He's probably always been like this, we just never had the chance to see it.

[ba1006]

Can we talk about Joel and the way he talks to the kids? Today while having Cody help him with the tubes...he made it a point to remind Cody that he did not get to participate in the joy of tubing as he and Bonnie did, but he would be helping because there are lots of times Joel has to clean up after Cody's activities. The whole thing was just unnecessary. Why remind the kids that they are off having fun without them? Why point out that Joel has to clean up after Cody? He is the parent...that is his job!

Also, with Lincoln. "Should we go throw a rock at Lady because she won't be quiet?" OMG! That poor dog.

We focus on Bonnie a lot, but I think Joel is quickly becoming worse than Bonnie.

I didn't like the fact that Lincoln got hit in the head with a rock and Joel told him to be brave. It looked really painful so why can't he cry and be upset? Is it because he would be a pansy (in Joel's words) or a wimp (in Bonnie's words)?

[Z3phyr]

My personal thoughts:
1. Comments on any part of anyone's body for any reason are just completely unnecessary.
2. Joel definitely has been guilty of some doozies. I seem to recall him referring to his boys as pansies at one point and also using some other extremely misogynistic phrase that I can't even remember now and don't care to!

It’s a gossip site though. Judging some behavior, religion, values, and lifestyle choices is okay, but criticizing body and appearance isn’t? Especially when someone is doing weird, abusive, or vain things to their body and then trying to convince people that they like themselves or should be a role model when they are clearly mentally ill.

Joel has little man’s syndrome hardcore. It’s annoying and he projects onto poor Cody.

Both of my parents were very vain and I managed to make it through life okay. If anything, even as a kid, I thought their shallowness and eating issues were weird and annoying. Olivia will probably be okay. We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, but it seems her mother emotionally detached quite a bit from her and her siblings about one or two years ago. They are probably more affected by the fact that their mom seems high,agitated, and unavailable all of the time.

I don’t worry about hurting Bonnie or Olivia's feelings by talking smack on a gossip site. I worry about what will happen when those kids are thrust back into near poverty when their immature parents’ YouTube channel fails. They were too young before to understand but now they’re used to a lot of luxuries that will disappear. I am scared for them.

[Tiger27]

My personal thoughts:
1. Comments on any part of anyone's body for any reason are just completely unnecessary.
2. Joel definitely has been guilty of some doozies. I seem to recall him referring to his boys as pansies at one point and also using some other extremely misogynistic phrase that I can't even remember now and don't care to!

It’s a gossip site though. Judging some behavior, religion, values, and lifestyle choices is okay, but criticizing body and appearance isn’t? Especially when someone is doing weird, abusive, or vain things to their body and then trying to convince people that they like themselves or should be a role model when they are clearly mentally ill.

Joel has little man’s syndrome hardcore. It’s annoying and he projects onto poor Cody.

Both of my parents were very vain and I managed to make it through life okay. If anything, even as a kid, I thought their shallowness and eating issues were weird and annoying. Olivia will probably be okay. We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, but it seems her mother emotionally detached quite a bit from her and her siblings about one or two years ago. They are probably more affected by the fact that their mom seems high,agitated, and unavailable all of the time.

I don’t worry about hurting Bonnie or Olivia's feelings by talking smack on a gossip site. I worry about what will happen when those kids are thrust back into near poverty when their immature parents’ YouTube channel fails. They were too young before to understand but now they’re used to a lot of luxuries that will disappear. I am scared for them.

I’m with you. The whole argument that body shaming should be an off limits topic here is bizarre to me. A lot of wild shit is said here that we can admittedly say we’d never voice in public. I don’t see how body shaming is any different than all the other crap we toss around. It’s not nice or socially acceptably but neither is discussing every aspect of a stranger’s life on the internet, yet here we all are. Ellie’s body has been vehemently picked apart but no one seems to think twice about that. Both their issues stem from disordered eating and self-confidence issues. Both of them are vain and make it a point to highlight and draw attention to their body, often making it the focal point of vlogs in ways that many of us find harmful to their family and audiences. Of course people are going to have opinions and want to talk about it. I don’t know, I just find it odd for people to be up in arms about body shaming amongst all the various levels of socially unacceptable and mean things discussed here.


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[Vlog4money]

I try to steer clear of shaming Bonnie for things that are out of her control...it's not her fault she has fibrous fat but I am not going to tell someone else what is okay to criticize and what should be off-limits. Bonnie and Ellie chose to live in the spotlight. As someone above mentioned they do things on a daily basis to shine a spotlight on their bodies. We've seen them shake their bum for the camera, we've seen Joel zoom in on Bonnie's bum, and they talk about things that normal people do not talk about (pooping their pants.) They invite attention both good and bad.

[AutumnLane]

Not to mention it’s not Bonnie’s real body people are shaming... people hardly went into detail before she had all that altering surgery. It was just more or less pregnancy weight discussed etc. Then she had that botched surgery and obviously it’s became a hot topic understandably.


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[ba1006]

I try to steer clear of shaming Bonnie for things that are out of her control...it's not her fault she has fibrous fat but I am not going to tell someone else what is okay to criticize and what should be off-limits. Bonnie and Ellie chose to live in the spotlight. As someone above mentioned they do things on a daily basis to shine a spotlight on their bodies. We've seen them shake their bum for the camera, we've seen Joel zoom in on Bonnie's bum, and they talk about things that normal people do not talk about (pooping their pants.) They invite attention both good and bad.

I agree. We should all be allowed to talk about what we want without being criticized by others. I read lots of posts I don't agree with but I don't comment on them. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. If I want to say Bonnie has sausage fingers, I will. If her feelings get hurt, maybe they should quit social media. This is a gossip site so get over yourselves and stop preaching to us.

[Z3phyr]

I think, like Joel is super sensitive about his short stature and hair loss and projects anger onto others, some people in this forum might have issues with being overweight like Bonnie and the body talk triggers or angers them. But everyone is dysfunctional in some way. If you avoid every issue or trigger there’d be nothing left to gossip about!

If some supposedly religious, modest mother of young kids is going to suggestively gyrate her untoned butt and lipoed body in a pool with minors around her and her gross husband films it, I’m going to make fun of it—whether it happens in a vlog or I see it in real life.

There’s a line we all draw though, I hope. The people that say Ruby Franke’s underaged boys “ping their gaydar” truly disturb me. That’s beyond typical observation and encroaching perv territory.

[Vlog4money]

I've been reading this and hoping that it would resolve itself but it seems that it hasnt.

The issue isn't that weight being discussed: it's that it dominates the discussion and becomes monotonous.

I steer away from this thread unless there's a report because, truthfully, the discussion is bland. If people approach another subject, it returns to weight. It's frustrating when people share valid concerns and opinions but it there's little acknowledgement or discussion about it because someone brought up how 'fat' Bonnie's fingers are.

It reminds me of the "Jessica Shafer Rogue Skube dyes Lilia's hair blonde" circa 2014.

There are plenty of things to discuss! That's all we're saying.

Good point! Joel suggesting to Lincoln that they throw a rock at Lady, driving in the truck with Lincoln on Bonnie's lap, and filming and uploading things that appeal to pedophiles are far more "discusting" than her sausage fingers.