Taina Licciardo-Toivola: All dressed in white, teeth too bright | Part 3

[Ashley18032]

I am sorry I didn’t mean to be rude. I think it’s just difficult to want so badly to help in a situation that’s clearly not healthy for children across the entirety of the spectrum holistically speaking from their lifestyle on the road, to little or no structure, to being completely uneducated and without any regard for their wellbeing on their parent’s part. I am a pediatric CRNP and it is hard to watch parent’s not care about who they’re singling out, favoritism, inadequately feeding balanced meals, making videos that are just plain horrible torturing Nef while she’s petrified. It’s a lot on a person who dedicates their entire life to caring for children to watch helplessly from the sidelines. I wish there was more we could do to make sure their needs are met. As someone whose job it is to notice and correct issues and can’t it’s extremely frustrating. While they are lively I agree it doesn’t mean they’re healthy is all I meant. I quite literally have children who jump rope with chemo tubing, run wild, play like crazy and you’d never guess how very sickly they are. I think there’s a lot of mental anguish on behalf of medical professionals watching these kids go from one way in their home to the stark contrast that is their new reality. It’s heartbreaking! I get that we are all assuming and gossiping it’s just hard to watch helplessly from the sidelines wishing and praying it would improve. What’s most scary is how people worship Taina. It’s so scary that there’s parent’s out there who are idolizing her. It’s a shame. I do stand by my assumptions that she is cognitively delayed and everything about life on the road is very quickly doing their health a disservice. Not every doctor is going to agree or parent or whatever on here; I just think it’s hard for us all to watch wishing we could help knowing we can’t. Leonardo’s desperate plea for mental health improvement is quite terrifying when we see the absence of any real medical intervention on any of them. However, there is a cosmetic dentist and plastic surgeon making quite a buck off mommy dearest. Sad. I am sorry if my frustration with Taina was taken out on anyone in the group as obviously that wasn’t my intention, it’s just very hard to watch. Being a CRNP who specializes in children makes it particularly hard to watch because I just so very badly wish I could help them. I see the repercussions of their parenting in Leo’s plight and it’s terrible to know it’s only going to get worse for 9 more... It’s a lot on a person who dedicates everyday to the betterment of children. I think culturally we all have differing opinions too. Which to be honest I love because I don’t know much about life outside of the USA and I learn so much from all of you! Thank you for showing me where I, personally, need improvement. It is just hard to watch and feel helpless. I truly care about these little ones! Also, all of you, who, crazy to think... for well over a year now we have all been compassionately caring about the wellbeing of children; we have never once met. This is a group of selfless individuals who though people say to “gossip” I would say; utilize a platform that is intended for gossip to voice real world, real time, real emotions and concern for the wellbeing and betterment of children we cannot help. That says a lot about humanity still being good. We are humans still caring about humans we may not be able to ever help, but we care enough to desperately come on a consistent basis and advocate for the concerns of little ones whom cannot advocate for themselves. While we may not all agree I respect everyone in this group for having the care and concern to come back and keep commenting hoping that it may one day make an impact. I would never mean to insult or hurt anyone’s feeling’s that’s not my intention and I think my frustration in this family’s dysfunction get the better of me. Very sad and helpless from the sidelines. Ashley, Certified Registered Nurse Practitioner.
***Personally I shouldn’t have updated after surgery still coming off anesthesia in the first place. I have a connective tissue disorder called Vascular Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and when I stood up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom I fractured my hip and required me to have my hip replaced so not only was I on a cocktail of anesthesia but in a great deal of pain unable to properly articulate my feelings. I do apologize! I am okay now learning how to walk properly again. So sorry! ***


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[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

No offense but, you're being rude.

It's normal for assumptions to be made here since it is obvious that we are all unaware of the real reason.

Chill out, Taina!

P.s.: I'm a doctor

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I agree with Emily,Ashley's remark was uncalled for.
Ash,i dont know what you are...nurse,doctor,healthcare assistant,whatever..doesnt really matter.
None of us on this forum are experts on the T- L family's medical history and we are not qualified to make a medical diagnosis about any of them,nor to decide on a prognosis on Nef.
This is just a gossip forum plain and simple,we observe and comment,and i think most people here wd say - and many have already said - that the little ones including Nef,seem like very lively children and are always noisy and running around.
We dont know what health problems any of them have,tho we can see that the trip is taking a toll on several of them.

I think the only thing we can say with certainly is Nef has some teeth problems. I still see nothing wrong with her being thin, I’ve know some really skinny kids and there was nothing wrong with them.

I’ve figured out why they rush to go swimming before dinner. It saves on all of them trying to get showers or a bath.

Oh gosh wildy,i hadnt thought of that..i fear you may be right!

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

No offense but, you're being rude.

It's normal for assumptions to be made here since it is obvious that we are all unaware of the real reason.

Chill out, Taina!

P.s.: I'm a doctor

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I agree with Emily,Ashley's remark was uncalled for.
Ash,i dont know what you are...nurse,doctor,healthcare assistant,whatever..doesnt really matter.
None of us on this forum are experts on the T- L family's medical history and we are not qualified to make a medical diagnosis about any of them,nor to decide on a prognosis on Nef.
This is just a gossip forum plain and simple,we observe and comment,and i think most people here wd say - and many have already said - that the little ones including Nef,seem like very lively children and are always noisy and running around.
We dont know what health problems any of them have,tho we can see that the trip is taking a toll on several of them.

I think the only thing we can say with certainly is Nef has some teeth problems. I still see nothing wrong with her being thin, I’ve know some really skinny kids and there was nothing wrong with them.

I’ve figured out why they rush to go swimming before dinner. It saves on all of them trying to get showers or a bath.

Yes it Is the only thing we can say for certain,we can all see it for ourselves she has tooth decay.
We can also see that she's thin,but we have no idea if that is thru not getting enough to eat,or that she may just be naturally thin,no matter what she eats. I think she looks like she's had a huge growth spurt too,so she will look particularly slim right now.

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

So sorry to hear about yr accident Ashley,take it easy. My friend has just had a hip replacement so i know how painful it is.X

[Ashley18032]

So sorry to hear about yr accident Ashley,take it easy. My friend has just had a hip replacement so i know how painful it is.X

Yes it is stressful because I am waiting for my biopsy to come back. My kidney cancer may have spread to the bone which maybe why such a large string bone in the body just snapped upon standing in the middle of the night. We are praying it is just my Vascular Ehlers Danlos that caused it but I will be sure to update when the results come back! It is quite painful and honestly, I wish I had a cooler story to tell because a million people ask a day what happened and I laughingly just have to tell them I have no idea I just stood up to pee in the middle of the night! Haha! We have to come up with a more exciting story! Thank you very much for your well wishes! I just can’t wait to be able to be back to my normal schedule and structure. But it’s only been a few days which makes me really realize how frustrating it must be for the family to be out of sorts and normalcy for over half the year! Goodness gracious I cannot imagine! Their lifestyle isn’t for me! I can’t imagine all of them being thrilled about it. I wonder if there’s any sort of free will about their lives or if it is all 100% dictated by the whims of Taina. I mean, my sister and I are opposites on everything raised exactly the same I can’t imagine they all have the exact same likes and dislikes and all agree on what they’d like to do. I wonder if they ever vote on things or if anyone can opt out of something... Seems to be sort of a dictatorship of whatever Taina wants goes and the rest not only have to follow but pretend to enjoy it always. Do you guys think there’s any sort of voting process?


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[Ashley18032]

I hope they get Aph some help for the bowed legs. Better shoes for her, as well. All the little ones really need better shoes for their growing feet.

[Ashley18032]

Do you think Omega is getting vaccinated?


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[draconessa]

I agree with Emily,Ashley's remark was uncalled for.
Ash,i dont know what you are...nurse,doctor,healthcare assistant,whatever..doesnt really matter.
None of us on this forum are experts on the T- L family's medical history and we are not qualified to make a medical diagnosis about any of them,nor to decide on a prognosis on Nef.
This is just a gossip forum plain and simple,we observe and comment,and i think most people here wd say - and many have already said - that the little ones including Nef,seem like very lively children and are always noisy and running around.
We dont know what health problems any of them have,tho we can see that the trip is taking a toll on several of them.

I think the only thing we can say with certainly is Nef has some teeth problems. I still see nothing wrong with her being thin, I’ve know some really skinny kids and there was nothing wrong with them.

I’ve figured out why they rush to go swimming before dinner. It saves on all of them trying to get showers or a bath.

Oh gosh wildy,i hadnt thought of that..i fear you may be right!

HAhaha, plus TT and Jen think they are washing their bikinis ( which they use as underwear) I wonder if the same applies to the boy's underwear.

[draconessa]

Hope you get better, Ashley18032. The hip replacement is a terrible discomfort plus all the other codnitions...prayers for you!!!

They do not get any medical assistance for kids - at least it does not seem so. Bad shoes, bad diet - no wonder Aph's legs are bent. but heyho! TT's got veneers and botox! These are her priorities. I also do not think any of them gets vaccinated, either. Which may be a great danger, especially with them travelling and being exposed to some many infectious factors.

[Ashley18032]

Hope you get better, Ashley18032. The hip replacement is a terrible discomfort plus all the other codnitions...prayers for you!!!

They do not get any medical assistance for kids - at least it does not seem so. Bad shoes, bad diet - no wonder Aph's legs are bent. but heyho! TT's got veneers and botox! These are her priorities. I also do not think any of them gets vaccinated, either. Which may be a great danger, especially with them travelling and being exposed to some many infectious factors.

Thank you so much! It’s been tough! I just cannot understand why Taina thinks this trip should keep going. I really don’t think they are traveling for fun; I think they have no where to call home. I don’t think they have an “out.” This is incredibly sad and scary. These kids need to put down roots not keep up this chaos. What will finally end it? I am scared to ask!


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[Lalelou123]

So many keyboard nurses and doctors on here cracks me up.
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No offense but, you're being rude.

It's normal for assumptions to be made here since it is obvious that we are all unaware of the real reason.

Chill out, Taina!

P.s.: I'm a doctor

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nursery school teacher, here and a teacher-in-the-making

I agree with Emily,Ashley's remark was uncalled for.
Ash,i dont know what you are...nurse,doctor,healthcare assistant,whatever..doesnt really matter.
None of us on this forum are experts on the T- L family's medical history and we are not qualified to make a medical diagnosis about any of them,nor to decide on a prognosis on Nef.
This is just a gossip forum plain and simple,we observe and comment,and i think most people here wd say - and many have already said - that the little ones including Nef,seem like very lively children and are always noisy and running around.
We dont know what health problems any of them have,tho we can see that the trip is taking a toll on several of them.

I think the only thing we can say with certainly is Nef has some teeth problems. I still see nothing wrong with her being thin, I’ve know some really skinny kids and there was nothing wrong with them.

I’ve figured out why they rush to go swimming before dinner. It saves on all of them trying to get showers or a bath.

Oh gosh wildy,i hadnt thought of that..i fear you may be right!

Or the salad bar is at the pools and cheap or within the ticket?

[Wildebeast-cps]

Ashley, sorry to hear about everything you are going through, I know it’s not easy, I can relate in a way. Went for what was to be a simple surgery but various things made it a “perfect storm” of the unexpected. I have had to adjust to a new normal that I hate. If one more person says, “you look so good” I want to scream since they really have no idea. Enough about me.

I want to barf when I see all those posting on IG with their praises and aspirations to be like TT.

I wonder how long Jer and Cleo are going to stay so connected to the family. It seems he may have some aspirations of being a builder but all I see for Cleo is being a nanny. Are they all going to end up like Leo who has not adjusted to or prepared for the real world? TT is not doing any of those kids favors by having them so connected to the nuclear family. IMO, it’s our job as parents to raise independent children who contribute to society in some way.

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

So sorry to hear about yr accident Ashley,take it easy. My friend has just had a hip replacement so i know how painful it is.X

Yes it is stressful because I am waiting for my biopsy to come back. My kidney cancer may have spread to the bone which maybe why such a large string bone in the body just snapped upon standing in the middle of the night. We are praying it is just my Vascular Ehlers Danlos that caused it but I will be sure to update when the results come back! It is quite painful and honestly, I wish I had a cooler story to tell because a million people ask a day what happened and I laughingly just have to tell them I have no idea I just stood up to pee in the middle of the night! Haha! We have to come up with a more exciting story! Thank you very much for your well wishes! I just can’t wait to be able to be back to my normal schedule and structure. But it’s only been a few days which makes me really realize how frustrating it must be for the family to be out of sorts and normalcy for over half the year! Goodness gracious I cannot imagine! Their lifestyle isn’t for me! I can’t imagine all of them being thrilled about it. I wonder if there’s any sort of free will about their lives or if it is all 100% dictated by the whims of Taina. I mean, my sister and I are opposites on everything raised exactly the same I can’t imagine they all have the exact same likes and dislikes and all agree on what they’d like to do. I wonder if they ever vote on things or if anyone can opt out of something... Seems to be sort of a dictatorship of whatever Taina wants goes and the rest not only have to follow but pretend to enjoy it always. Do you guys think there’s any sort of voting process?


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Let us know when you get yr biopsy results,Ash. That is,if you feel like sharing. Got my fingers X'd for you.
What rotten luck when all you expected was to get up,visit the loo,then get back into bed.
It must have been such a shock,as well as painful and scary. And like you said,its horrible when normal daily life grinds to a halt.

As For the TLs,i feel that Terrible Taina makes most if not all the decisions..It seems to me that Paul and the older kids from Jez to Darty are not consulted when it comes to making decisions.
Tho I do remember,back at the house,she talked about a daily meeting for deciding on plans,but i fear that might amount to T telling them what she has decided,and they just have to grin and bear it,whether they like it or not.
A shame for the kids,coz all kids need to reared to become independent,stand on their own two feet,make decisions and plans for themselves,inpreparation for flying the nest.
If T is the matriarch who must be obeyed,and they are always under Mummys thumb,how can they learn?
Leo is now lost and insecure,bless him,i hope he can get help,and i hope his sibs can somehow avoid the trap he has fallen into.
At least Jez seems very capable practically,i hope that stands him in good stead.

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

Ashley, sorry to hear about everything you are going through, I know it’s not easy, I can relate in a way. Went for what was to be a simple surgery but various things made it a “perfect storm” of the unexpected. I have had to adjust to a new normal that I hate. If one more person says, “you look so good” I want to scream since they really have no idea. Enough about me.

I want to barf when I see all those posting on IG with their praises and aspirations to be like TT.

I wonder how long Jer and Cleo are going to stay so connected to the family. It seems he may have some aspirations of being a builder but all I see for Cleo is being a nanny. Are they all going to end up like Leo who has not adjusted to or prepared for the real world? TT is not doing any of those kids favors by having them so connected to the nuclear family. IMO, it’s our job as parents to raise independent children who contribute to society in some way.

Sorry to hear that Wildy. I totally relate to the ' you look so good' remarks. Not all disabilities and health problems are visible.
I have long standing chronic health probs ive dealt with for many years,but folk still say,oh,But you look so well!.
Another thing,people saying Oh arent you feeling well today? Erm,no,i dont feel well most days! Gahhhh!
Anyhow, stepping off my soapbox,tucking it under my arm,and walking off...

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

Ashley, sorry to hear about everything you are going through, I know it’s not easy, I can relate in a way. Went for what was to be a simple surgery but various things made it a “perfect storm” of the unexpected. I have had to adjust to a new normal that I hate. If one more person says, “you look so good” I want to scream since they really have no idea. Enough about me.

I want to barf when I see all those posting on IG with their praises and aspirations to be like TT.

I wonder how long Jer and Cleo are going to stay so connected to the family. It seems he may have some aspirations of being a builder but all I see for Cleo is being a nanny. Are they all going to end up like Leo who has not adjusted to or prepared for the real world? TT is not doing any of those kids favors by having them so connected to the nuclear family. IMO, it’s our job as parents to raise independent children who contribute to society in some way.

I dont get it either..the fawning comments on IG and the same when we had comments on the vlogs..did people actually watch the vlogs,and if so,why didnt they see what we see?
I guess at first it was easier to be taken in,but as time has passed,how can there still be folk who think T is doing a good job of raising her family?
Like you said,T isnt doing them any favours keeping them tied to her apron strings.

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

The latest vlog...between the soft breathy voices of T and C AND the stoopid music, i could barely hear a word
But the little girls then the boys had a short treasure hunt leading to crappy ' treasure' being found
The boys a lot more civilised than the girls who were both very grabby,in their usual fashion,and Aph actually either knocked over or stood on Omega..nobody went to him when he cried..the little girls continued to stampede over to the safe,T went on filming,i think C went back to him,not sure if he got picked up and comforted or not.
Was v pleased to see Dart got a bday cake and they sang.
Shoes on beds!,grrrrrrrrrrrr......

[Ashley18032]

Hope you get better, Ashley18032. The hip replacement is a terrible discomfort plus all the other codnitions...prayers for you!!!

They do not get any medical assistance for kids - at least it does not seem so. Bad shoes, bad diet - no wonder Aph's legs are bent. but heyho! TT's got veneers and botox! These are her priorities. I also do not think any of them gets vaccinated, either. Which may be a great danger, especially with them travelling and being exposed to some many infectious factors.

Thank you so much! It’s been tough! I just cannot understand why Taina thinks this trip should keep going. I really don’t think they are traveling for fun; I think they have no where to call home. I don’t think they have an “out.” This is incredibly sad and scary. These kids need to put down roots not keep up this chaos. What will finally end it? I am scared to ask!
As soon as I know the results of the biopsy, I will share! Thank you all so much for your well wishes! Totally alarming to wake up and have it turn into such a mess! The crazy part is I foolishly went back to bed and didn’t go to the ER woke up the next day hobbled around all day and then finally my husband came home from work and saw my leg was 7 times it’s normal size and turning black and I was unable to even stand when he rushed me to the emergency room! Crazy! At the time it just felt like a sharp agonizing pain not like something I should have ignored but you know when you have cancer if it isn’t broken you don’t fix it! You’ll ignore anything you can to not have to go back to the hospital on your days off! LOL! Live and learn! Thank you again for all of you being there for me!


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[Dru55]

three days at Legoland and then they bugger off late at night to where? ( hope they paid and didnt do a moonlight flit hahaha) She said on iG it was raining so much they were going to Spain and Portugal. So Lego land was the extent of their "educational " trip to England??? What about Stonehenge? London? Windsor? The New Forest? I despair. I feel really sorry for those kids being dragged around Europe, uneducated, not fed properly and the two older ones looking fed up. God almighty woman, go home and give your kids some kind of routine, get them in school and get yourself, Jes and Cleo a real job. This is getting riduculous

[Hariett]

"Last day in Legoland. It is raining so much that we have decided to go to Spain. Here me come Spain and Portugal.

***YOUTUBE HAS REMOVED ALL COMMENTS FEATURING MINORS***"

Unfortunately she forgot to block the comment section of this video lol. Taina is really a fan of alternative facts haha

[honeybeex]

They FINALLY left lego land in tonights video. It looks unlikely that they are visiting anywhere else in the UK. As Taina's story on instagram is claiming it was too rainy, and that they have decided to drive to Spain and then Portugal! How predictable!! Firstly, it is SO SO OBVIOUS THIS VIDEO WAS AT THE LATEST SEPTEMBER, because this week is possibly the coldest week of this winter so far in the UK, and the clothes you were wearing wouldn't have kept anybody warm, regardless of how north you are from. So if you're still attempting to claim that you've only just left the UK for Spain - WE KNOW YOU ARE LYING! If i'm honest I don't understand why either???
Secondly, if it was too rainy, and I know this may sound really really unconventional and a little bit out there to you, BUY YOUR CHILDREN SUITABLE CLOTHING ! It is shocking I know, but it really may just be a revolutionary concept! You should have been prepared and brought all weather permitting clothing and shoes, but hey, at least you have the room and money for all the stuff you brought at Disneyland, and those RIDICULOUS shoes you were stomping around lego land and Disney land in

So it appears, that they did only go to England for Legoland after all, which is just what we predicted!!! Taina, you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CULTURE AND YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO BE ON SUCH A TRIP. I wonder what the children learnt from their experiences of the UK and of France ? I wonder if they know anything about the culture? Of course they DO NOT. Taina, the facade you very poorly portray that the purpose of this trip is about educating your children, and experiencing different cultures, does not pull the wool over our eyes. As the videos progress, it becomes more and more transparent that you have no idea about any of the countries that you visit, and that you're a poorly educated women, who cares more about her botox and veneers than actually educating yourself and your children, and experiencing new things. You were in Paris, one of the most amazing cities that I have ever experienced. There are so many amazing once in a life time things to see, and of course you and your uneducated and ignorant self, only went for Disneyland. WOW Way to educate your children on the culture !!! I knew that you would do the same in the UK, you've missed out on many amazing things, the UK has so much to offer (Don't go by Taina's AWFUL portrayal of it). You were in Windsor and you didn't even visit Windsor Castle, WOW, that really does prove how ignorant you are, you just stampede your way through each country with a lack of respect, and no interest in the heritage. But hey, who cares because at least you got to go to Legoland, which is as educational as every other theme park out there. GO YOU!! I for one, cannot wait for you to prove how culturally enriching this experience in the UK was with a good old educational candy testing video. You didn't even visit London the capital city LOL! I hope you enjoy your life living in total ignorance, and are proud that you're depriving your children of the right to have a real education and a happy future, where they can be individuals with a purpose in life.

I feel so sorry for Leo, who is clearly feeling the effects of his mothers treatment, and most likely is feeling increasingly overwhelmed, because Taina just threw him in at the deep end as soon as he got married and failed to actually give him the guidance he needed in life. I really hope that he deals with his feelings and his struggles in the correct way and seeks some help from a counsellor or something. It really is a shame for all of those children, none of them will ever experience what it is like to actually be an individual with dreams and aspirations of becoming something amazing or changing the world. I have said it once and I will reiterate it, It is not right to prevent your children form excelling in life, or bettering themselves educationally and it is certainly awful to want your children to become a carbon copy of you, which is what Taina obviously wants for her cleopatra, and i'm sure her "princesses" will grow up to be completely the same, which is terrible. I genuinely think her aim for her children is to get them married off and to have families of their own, and nothing more. Well that worked out wonderfully or Leo didn't it, now he is struggling with his mental health, which we can only speculate is down to his poor parental support, and upbringing.

As for when Aph stepped on Omega, that is an easily done situation, I know kids have accidents, it doesn't make you a bad parent. Even allowing him to lie in an obvious place of injury doesn't make you a bad parent, because accidents happen and you cant monitor your child constantly, I would be a hypocrite if I said you could. BUT what does make you a bad parent was the way you reacted, or the lack of reaction, to your child being injured. Luckily he wasn't hurt very much, but he could have been and he was crying for you and your comfort and you stood there and did nothing, you didn't even let cleopatra go to him. If it were my daughter i'd have reacted immediately, so check she was ok.

Other than that, I was happy to see d'art get a cake and a fuss for his birthday, it was really nice. Also when the boys did the treasure hunt, I couldn't help but feel that the children when around Paul are much calmer and more natural than when around Taina. I much prefer seening them with him, rather than Taina.