Julie Deru: Part One

[lmmomSD]

So she bought a tree it doesn’t fit where she wants it so she won’t try any where else in the house. The better solution is replace the fake with a real tree.


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I was thinking too. Real trees are not inexpensive either. I think Julie frustration includes she is living in a smaller rental home where you can't easily put a larger Christmas tree in a family room. She seems not too happy lately. I bet watching her sister Ruby move into a 5,000 plus square foot home isn't helping either.

The thing is, she could be living in a nice house. Maybe not 5,000 SF, but if she used her nursing license and uploaded more, she would have plenty of money.

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The thing is, she could be living in a nice house. Maybe not 5,000 SF, but if she used her nursing license and uploaded more, she would have plenty of money.

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I agree and I don't think housing in Utah is expensive. She'll probably isn't going back to nursing, but she is seeing consequences with both or either parent not being employed full-time. Listening to Ruby talk on Insta Story about tougher times when Kevin was in school and accepting federal assistance said to me Julie might be living this life today. Ruby also has been incredibly lucky with YouTube and Julie has not seen this success. Another difference with Ruby, it appeared their tough times were a couple of years, whereas, Julie's tough times could be many many years.

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Julie and Landon are off to Washington to look at a school together since he is applying to other PhD programs outside of Utah. Does this help going to the college when applying for a program to get in since it isn't inexpensive to fly and stay someplace for a weekend? Julie basically said she isn't not pregnant. Her outfits were not flattering since I think she is in good shape.

[ICantEven]

Julie and Landon are off to Washington to look at a school together since he is applying to other PhD programs outside of Utah. Does this help going to the college when applying for a program to get in since it isn't inexpensive to fly and stay someplace for a weekend? Julie basically said she isn't not pregnant. Her outfits were not flattering since I think she is in good shape.

Did she say it's also their anniversary? I was wondering if that was the main reason for the trip and they chose to go check out somewhere he's applying. In my experience (not in his field) , PhD programs often invite out the top applicants for interview weekends, usually Jan/Feb timeframe, with expenses paid by the program. It also wouldn't be unheard of for an individual professor to fly out a promising applicant that they are interested in hiring. But Julie and Landon didn't seem to indicate that it was an interview or that he got accepted or anything, so it seems a little like jumping the gun to me.

[lmmomSD]

I thought the trip to Belize was for their anniversary...

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[ICantEven]

IG said they are in Spokane and also in one of the Q&A posts she said he was looking to do a PhD in nutrition and exercise physiology but won't know until spring if he's accepted. The WSU program in nutrition and exercise physiology says they will have interviews in Feb /March and admission decision in March. I assume that is where they are and I assume they are trying to increase his changes of getting an interview by talking to the professors there.

There are only 5 professors in the department! That's tiny. Byu has maybe 10, but didn't they only accept 1 student last year? I hope Landon is applying to some larger programs. Even if he has a great resume those are terrible odds!

[gopedjane]

IG said they are in Spokane and also in one of the Q&A posts she said he was looking to do a PhD in nutrition and exercise physiology but won't know until spring if he's accepted. The WSU program in nutrition and exercise physiology says they will have interviews in Feb /March and admission decision in March. I assume that is where they are and I assume they are trying to increase his changes of getting an interview by talking to the professors there.

There are only 5 professors in the department! That's tiny. Byu has maybe 10, but didn't they only accept 1 student last year? I hope Landon is applying to some larger programs. Even if he has a great resume those are terrible odds!

Does he have a great resume though? He doesn't seem the least bit qualified to actually get accepted to such a program. FFS give it up.

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There are only 5 professors in the department! That's tiny. Byu has maybe 10, but didn't they only accept 1 student last year? I hope Landon is applying to some larger programs. Even if he has a great resume those are terrible odds!

I continue to believe Landon's social media presence isn't helpful when applying for a program or job. It doesn't look professional. The vlog with a title that stands out is the one I would look at where Julie told viewers Landon didn't get into the BYU PhD program. The way Julie explained this disappointment, she gave the impression she felt they were deceived and she appears angry saying he was the perfect applicant. I'm still confused about his master's degree since here she said he is finishing up on his last final?
After listening to Ruby talk about their financial trouble times and seeing this trip expense, I wonder how well they are doing? Julie didn't need to go on this trip if you are budgeting. With kids, Christmas can be an expensive time of year.

From Disappointing News/Being Honest with You
"BYU did say that everything else on his application looks great there, like that's what you'll need you'll have to apply but everything else on your application likes Incredibles so after going through the hoops that BYU asked them to do he applied to be my use ph.d program and the plan was to just seamlessly glide into the ph.d program from what he's already been doing no big deal right"

"said no, there's no reason whatsoever for people to be saying no to Landon...his application looks amazing everything looks great on his application his grades are awesome he has lots of experience and he's taking his last final today actually for the master's program for the second master's that they (BYU) told him to get"

[ICantEven]

IG said they are in Spokane and also in one of the Q&A posts she said he was looking to do a PhD in nutrition and exercise physiology but won't know until spring if he's accepted. The WSU program in nutrition and exercise physiology says they will have interviews in Feb /March and admission decision in March. I assume that is where they are and I assume they are trying to increase his changes of getting an interview by talking to the professors there.

There are only 5 professors in the department! That's tiny. Byu has maybe 10, but didn't they only accept 1 student last year? I hope Landon is applying to some larger programs. Even if he has a great resume those are terrible odds!

Does he have a great resume though? He doesn't seem the least bit qualified to actually get accepted to such a program. FFS give it up.

I agree he probably doesn't. At very least his resume tells a confusing story of someone who can't figure out what they want to do... Athletic training bachelor's, 2 years of med school, MBA, then masters in exercise science...

Also he apparently hasn't updated his linkedin lately, and it is very sloppily written and lists YouTube and CEO of whatever their YouTube llc is as his main job. You better believe the schools Google him and are not impressed.

From what he said last spring after not getting in, he needs to work on publications. He really hasn't been interested in research for more than a couple years so it's not surprising he's lacking in that area. Looks like he did contribute to a paper published this year (4th author on a paper in Journal of Obesity). And potentially he presented at the conference he went to in Las Vegas not long ago. Those are resume builders, but more like the bare minimum you would expect for an applicant.

I agree he needs to move on. Undertaking a PhD at this point is not wise for the many reasons we always discuss, namely that he has a giant family to support! But year after year trying for very small programs is just plain dumb. I feel like his combo of degrees would be very versatile and he could find some interesting and fulfilling jobs. If he's going for professor for the "flexible hours" ... What's the point if he misses his kids childhoods being a grad student with the crazy hours he's currently working...

[Ducklings4]

Don’t know about his degree, but my daughter was told when she was applying to programs she should not pay for any graduate work. She is presently finishing up her Phd in English. She has earned a paycheck from every university she has gone to for her masters and now Phd. She teaches two classes per semester and one summer session. Medical school and law school do not come under this umbrella. Landen made some comment when he did not get into the BYU program that he would be willing to pay. I could be wrongfully assuming he should not be paying for his graduate degrees. My daughter as a single women was fine with her salary, some of her peers with family do rely on public assistance. My daughter said her passion must not be that strong because she would leave the world of academia if she had to put her family on public assistance. Her university has a food closet for graduate students. Sorry for the ramble.


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[ICantEven]

Don’t know about his degree, but my daughter was told when she was applying to programs she should not pay for any graduate work. She is presently finishing up her Phd in English. She has earned a paycheck from every university she has gone to for her masters and now Phd. She teaches two classes per semester and one summer session. Medical school and law school do not come under this umbrella. Landen made some comment when he did not get into the BYU program that he would be willing to pay. I could be wrongfully assuming he should not be paying for his graduate degrees. My daughter as a single women was fine with her salary, some of her peers with family do rely on public assistance. My daughter said her passion must not be that strong because she would leave the world of academia if she had to put her family on public assistance. Her university has a food closet for graduate students. Sorry for the ramble.


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I am in sciences but your daughter's experience sounds normal for us as well. The fact that Landon even tried to pay his way shows that he doesn't understand the academic culture.

[ICantEven]

The vlog with a title that stands out is the one I would look at where Julie told viewers Landon didn't get into the BYU PhD program.

From Disappointing News/Being Honest with You
"BYU did say that everything else on his application looks great there, like that's what you'll need you'll have to apply but everything else on your application likes Incredibles so after going through the hoops that BYU asked them to do he applied to be my use ph.d program and the plan was to just seamlessly glide into the ph.d program from what he's already been doing no big deal right"

"said no, there's no reason whatsoever for people to be saying no to Landon...his application looks amazing everything looks great on his application his grades are awesome he has lots of experience and he's taking his last final today actually for the master's program for the second master's that they (BYU) told him to get"

Thanks for finding the video. I just went back and watched it. A couple things that stand out to me.

1) I forgot that he was also rejected from a program in Idaho. 2/2 rejection to me says his application was not competitive.

2)I'm also confused by the "last final for 2nd masters" she mentioned. Maybe he finished the courses but didn't get his thesis done? He still seems to be working on his thesis now. And if byu wanted a thesis masters, then it's not surprising they didn't accept him without it...

3) Jared applied to 30 Physical therapy programs, 2 years in a row (maybe 15/year) and didn't get into any of them. Julie said he had good grades and there is no reason he shouldn't have gotten in. I beg to differ. That's not a fluke. Jared really wanted something that he did not have the right background or aptitude for or whatever. Landon should take a lesson and go work at Verizon (or use one of his many other degrees that could get him interesting, decent paying jobs)

4) Landon shows his ignorance of academia when he talks about having much more free time until fall 2020 when he could potentially start the PhD program. He mentioned he would be teaching anatomy, working on research and publications and his thesis. He wouldn't have to take classes, sure, but in most PhD programs you only take classes for the first 2 years max. Then spend 3-5 more years just doing teaching /research /pubs /thesis. And nope it's not a relaxed pace.

5) He mentioned his job as an athletic trainer and how he enjoyed that and got to travel with the US ski team. He also said he loved his last job in Healthcare administration. And yet Julie mentions over and over what a great prof he will be and he will love it. He's never been a professor so how does he know! Why not stick with a job you can have right now that actually MAKES MONEY and you enjoy? Like why can you not be content?
I am all for following your dreams and I get that you can't 100% know you'll be happy in a job. But it would be totally different if he didn't have a million degrees already and a family to support.

6) Landon thinks the professor lifestyle will let him be around with his kids, coach soccer teams etc. As we've discussed before, being a professor is a very time-consuming job and his kids will be grown up long before he could possibly have any job security

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5) He mentioned his job as an athletic trainer and how he enjoyed that and got to travel with the US ski team. He also said he loved his last job in Healthcare administration. And yet Julie mentions over and over what a great prof he will be and he will love it. He's never been a professor so how does he know! Why not stick with a job you can have right now that actually MAKES MONEY and you enjoy? Like why can you not be content? I am all for following your dreams and I get that you can't 100% know you'll be happy in a job. But it would be totally different if he didn't have a million degrees already and a family to support.

The unwavering support from Julie is not the reaction you'd see with many spouses and it isn't helpful.

[ICantEven]

The unwavering support from Julie is not the reaction you'd see with many spouses and it isn't helpful.

Totally. She should have enough of a brain and a say in her own life. Average salary in Healthcare administration in 2017 was 98k. I would be quoting my husband who is on video saying he "loved" his job running the dermatology office and telling him I would much prefer him to make money and work a 9-5...

Kevin also seems to be encouraging him, and Kevin of all people should be doing the opposite. But Kevin has never looked out for the interest of his own large family either...

Eta: it's not just for his family that he should stop pursuing the PhD in excercise science. It legitimately doesn't look like a promising career path for him given that he can't get into the program

[lmmomSD]

We have a few PhD's in my family. None of them paid for their advanced degrees. They were TA's and lecturers, and had stipends. Being "willing to pay" just sounds desperate to me, and that isn't a good look.

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[ICantEven]

Julie's IG is saying Landon's interview went well in Spokane... At this point I give up trying to figure out what's going on, haha. I suppose in a few months when they know for sure, they'll tell us.

[YTIG60]

Julie's IG is saying Landon's interview went well in Spokane... At this point I give up trying to figure out what's going on, haha. I suppose in a few months when they know for sure, they'll tell us.

I'm confused. I thought they went to Spokane to look at the program. So they invited him to an interview for their PhD program?

[Namm]

IG said they are in Spokane and also in one of the Q&A posts she said he was looking to do a PhD in nutrition and exercise physiology but won't know until spring if he's accepted. The WSU program in nutrition and exercise physiology says they will have interviews in Feb /March and admission decision in March. I assume that is where they are and I assume they are trying to increase his changes of getting an interview by talking to the professors there.

There are only 5 professors in the department! That's tiny. Byu has maybe 10, but didn't they only accept 1 student last year? I hope Landon is applying to some larger programs. Even if he has a great resume those are terrible odds!

Does he have a great resume though? He doesn't seem the least bit qualified to actually get accepted to such a program. FFS give it up.

I was thinking the same. What resume? If anything knowing Kevin would have helped him if he'd had the qualifications.
He doesn't have the drive or ambition that Kevin had from day one. They didn't even put any effort into vlogging regularly when they had the opportunity. Sometimes you just have to work hard for what you want and suck it up for a while until you get there.
I get the impression that Landon and Julie give up or immediately change course when it gets tough. So they start over all the time instead of hanging in there.

[Ducklings4]

My daughter chose to write a thesis for her masters. She and one other student chose to and they were the ones pursuing a PhD. Landon said he did not write a thesis wherever he went to prior to BYU. Writing a thesis shows you have ambition, discipline, and time management. Also that you can choose a topic and write about it. BYU apparently wanted Landen to prove himself. Of course he would not be accepted if he hadn’t finished writing it. Has he finished now that he is visiting schools? Has he been published? He certainly looks for the easy way to do everything. It amazes me how a father of four can jeopardize his innocent children’s well being.


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Next thread- Julie Deru: My husband hasn't got a clue.
Lol.
I swear he just goes to school just for the heck of it. He's got to be in so much debt and they do not seem like they make very much. He needs to make up his mind and get his life in order.