Tania Licciardo-Toivola: Beans, fake routines and sleeping like sardines. | Part 4

[meee meee]

Wow and she had mention again, in her new years eve part 2, that she takes care of the children off camera. Honestly taina, it really doesn't look like you do, the children seem to have a stronger bond with their buddy than with their mother. Also why does she always have to mention such things in a passive aggressive way. She should really get over herself, she puts her live on youtube, people are going to ask questions, no need to answer them passive aggressively, especially since they are genuine questions and we're, for the majority, not trying to troll.

Also who the heck eats plain potatoes with pesto? They are vegan or plant based or whatever and that is completely fine in my book. But honestly they eat such weird stuff and they always eat the same things, no variety what so ever. It's always beans, chiapudding, dried fruit,...
Whenever they show their food, 90% of the time, it looks super unappetizing to me. There are a tone of vegan cook books that can teach you to cook with more variety and more spices. They always make the same few weird looking recipes and it looks bland, like they don't use many spices. A vegan diet could be so much broader, cook a curry or something, India is known for its super tasty vegan recipes.

[Emily81]

Did they at least take a shower after the hot tube filled with lake water?

One thing that bores me is how she "directs" every scene on camera! We already know is fake, don't need to show. You can just cut it off during editing, Taina! I still don't understand what you do exactly when you say you spend hours editing.

Was she actually talking about putting rabbit droppings into lollies? What mentally sane person would say such a thing to a 5 year old kid?


I doubt that all the food had been prepared at home. I bet they put the pies in the oven to warm them up.
Please, Taina, stop saying "we did", you did nothing!

In the house tour video, she says that the view will look stunning in the summer too, now she's saying everything is set to move to Australia and they are there just to say goodbye to some people.
Why didn't they say goodbye when they left for the worst tour of Europe ever? No, they go back to Finland, rent a house, buy things they had given away (another thing I really doubt!), just to say goodbye to some people!?



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[retiredrn70]

Wow and she had mention again, in her new years eve part 2, that she takes care of the children off camera. Honestly taina, it really doesn't look like you do, the children seem to have a stronger bond with their buddy than with their mother. Also why does she always have to mention such things in a passive aggressive way. She should really get over herself, she puts her live on youtube, people are going to ask questions, no need to answer them passive aggressively, especially since they are genuine questions and we're, for the majority, not trying to troll.

Also who the heck eats plain potatoes with pesto? They are vegan or plant based or whatever and that is completely fine in my book. But honestly they eat such weird stuff and they always eat the same things, no variety what so ever. It's always beans, chiapudding, dried fruit,...
Whenever they show their food, 90% of the time, it looks super unappetizing to me. There are a tone of vegan cook books that can teach you to cook with more variety and more spices. They always make the same few weird looking recipes and it looks bland, like they don't use many spices. A vegan diet could be so much broader, cook a curry or something, India is known for its super tasty vegan recipes.

LOLOL Yes Taina really seems irked by our disbelief that she cares for her littles. Why then in her 2nd morn routine (or was it evening-maybe both) the older ones took care of their buddy. And when they were in the old house the littles sneaked out of bed at 3 am and she told nef to go get jes and Cleo out of bed since they (the littles) had gotten out of bed. And oh my--they are so comfy with their designated buddies. The littles adore their buddies (and vica versa) and they are the ones who the littles gravitate to always. Sorry TT- you did it yourself. Please don't hate me cause I love some of this food. I still love me a burger or steak and good grilled chicken but I do enjoy some of the things they eat. I often make potatoes with pesto and I like the vegetarian sausages (the kind they eat not the soy kind). And I sooo wish they would say how they make bean pie and Dad's beans that look like chili and his veg burgers. Please don't judge me or hate me cause as I said I LOVES me a juicy steak and you cannot beat a bacon burger when you are really hungry. AND oh my word!!! Do they have to scream yessss and whoa all the time? I guess so ---TT must push that. And TT- now we know you read this so know we are all watching you.lolololololololol We get it TT- Omega is brilliant the smartest cutest baby ever born. At least you did say no when you were all outside and he asked a couple of times for milk. Good job Mom. And kudos to you for finding a place with all those "upgrades"!!!! And I did enjoy the kids dancing. They seemed to behaving such fun but for the life of me I cant't see why she feels Aph is a better breaker than the other littles. The nap scene was just too sweet though I noticed that KJ and Aph were cuddling and Nef and Omega were cuddling. Interesting. Taina!!!!! Stop it! First you torture Neph with chicken butt hair and now you are calling OM a potato head. Hey --you made him a "potato head".

[Damom1]

Sorry for double posting, but here is my full post, ignore the one above I have wasn't finished and can't delete it now.. This forum sucks sometimes

To clear up the confusion everyone is questioning their last name related to Jenna’s parent’s. The Taina Hurd is actually under the legal last name of “Licciardo-Smith” not Toivola... That is a stage name... Aside from that idk anything else. I just looked up Paul’s adoption stuff and found their actual last name. This was when they were first appearing online I thought everyone was aware that wasn’t a real name...


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Sorry, no offense, but you are the one confused. You see, Its true that Pauls last name was Licciardo-Smith (was Smith but Licciardo was added after being adopted by Marie Licciardo) so technically that was the families last name (from the time T and Paul married until last year)... however that does NOT change the fact that Tainas maiden name was Toivola. Toivola is her family's name, thats why she likes it to be included. You are correct in that they used Licciardo-Toivola as a stage name until recently when it was legally changed to Licciardo-Toivola (as you can see by looking up the Finnish registry). Maybe, what you assumed is ehat T hopes, that people will not realize she is a Toivola by birth and therefore they wont make the connection between her and Jennas parents

Ok girls, whatever their real last name might be, I truly don't believe that Leo's and Jenna's parents are relatives! Someone from Finland mentioned before that Toivola is a quite common family name there, just like Miller or Smith in English speaking countries.. And where do you know from what Jenna's parents last names are?
They met each other on a church's youth night (when she was 14 and he 16) and started texting later. They talk about it in their love story Video:


Jenna lived with her mother and stepfather at that time. There is also a Video on Leo's channel where he introduces her mother and stepfather. They seem like nice and decent people. Her mother mentions the church as one of the most important things in her life and that she doesn't like the idea so much that Jenna plans to emigrate to Australia.
Another interesting thing about the video above is that Leo tells us he wasn't allowed to meet one to one with girls at that time (skip to minute 2:10!) for his own safety.. Well not surprised at all that Cleo's treated like a princess in a cage..
But Leo clearly found his wife by himself and later told Taina about that girl.
Sorry but I can't find any signs of being relatives or anything like that..

And now all that church stuff, I thought they made clear they don't like churches, but a few years ago Leo seemed to participate in a lot church activities..
I think their true believes will stay with them and I have no problem with that. Taina's child upbringing examples are bad enough, I don't need religious education efforts by her


King James birthday presents comparing to the other little ones are just sad He turns 4, an age where you actually start to understand what a birthday is and he got the same presents as Omega. Four toy animals, two of them being chickens... Really T? Your little boy loves Monster Trucks, dangerous animals and maybe reading and books (at least more than Nef haha)..
I would have had so many nice (and not expensive) ideas for him, but all Taina's giving him to feel special that day is an ugly cake, the same party omega got and the same toys omega got... Of which they already have tons of.

I'm telling you, children are highly sensitive to fairness and I am sure hers realise in an very young age who mommy's favourites are...
That dress and accessories Aph wore on her birthday was bought in Disneyland just like that while KJ never got his Buzz Lightning costume and was put in the same Ewok costume instead like his little brother and sister..

Look up the top 10 most common surnames in Finland...you will not find Toivola there. Matter of fact, you won't find it even in the top 20! There are 5.5 million people in Finland and only about 2,000 with the last name Toivola. They almost all know each other. You're not going to convince me that Leo just happened to meet and fall on love with a girl who had the exact same last name. If you rewatch the video of Jennas moms house (while she was dating Leo) you will see Toivola listed on the door. Check her mom's accounts, Toivola. It's totally legal in Finland to marry your first cousin.

[Ashley18032]

I was thinking of only one week !! Our resident NP has some awfully good ideas and is probably spot on and I never would have wondered about rickets but it is something to consider. TT will never do that. I do remember her saying Aph was a picky eater and the dr. said not to worry. I saw a foto of her really tiny with Roro and she was having a bottle. So for some reason Aph did not get as much breast milk as Golden Child is or some of the sibs. I am not so sure Pinnochio (sp) even notices her bowed legs. So many of the others have knees that are knocked but it looks like Paul my have them so heredity I guess wasnt good to them. I have been retired for 5 yrs and do not want to work hard so that is why I only want a week and for fun. Interesting post Ashley. Can't argue with a word.

I think their super knobby joints has to do with the fact that they’re severely malnourished and when you’re THAAAT thin you’re skeleton looks weird because you’re lacking the proper amounts of muscle and adipose tissue to look normal.


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[Ashley18032]

So, she had all 3 birthdays in the same day but she broke it up into 3 videos showing us the same day over and over...I know she does this to try to keep her views up but this was so unnecessary. Also, watched the New Years video first off I’m so happy I didn’t hear that same damn music that’s in every video. I actually enjoyed the parts where the kids filmed instead of being instructed by T & her baby voice the entire time. Ro. Jer has to get up @ 3 to prep for everything but doesn’t T get up that early why couldn’t she help? She’d rather risk her kids falling through the ice then make her husband get off his ass & help? Shake when he was with his brothers & sister getting fireworks looked like he was actually enjoying himself rather than trying to get attention from T. Also, D has to wear glasses she may want to have have Shake’s eyes checked as well after watching him walk straight into that door like he didn’t see it. The sauna snacks the littles ate they were starving & T even joked about it but damn if you don’t want to give that impression make them stop, sit down, & eat normally. I’m sorry i hate smacking/chewing with your mouth open & it’s not just the little kids that do it. Hell they probably were starving & out of all that food in the beginning they got tiny bowls of dried fruit & pretzels to share between 11. Then here goes T back behind the camera making them pose & act for the camera & acting like she’s never seen steam & making extremely awkward jokes about how hot she is & how hot Jer & Rom are ugh . Jer seems real interested in the fact that girls may find “hot” as T puts it. Also, I love her excuse that she looks after the little ones but when she’s filming the older kids looks after them or else she wouldn’t be able to film...like yeah ok T you’ve already told us you use the buddy system & we know who belongs to who as far as buddies. Yeah you look after so much that they still turn to their buddy vs coming to you ex: Aph runs to Romeo and KJ runs to Jer

I just want to add that I don’t believe she can “Make” Paul do anything aside from what he wants because they clearly have some weird gender roles that they enforce heavily with the kids let alone between her and Paul. She’s a Princess! The King makes the rules! To me Paul seems to be lost out at sea most of the time. He seems to be in and out of relevance to what’s going on. She does clearly run the roost though, mainly because I don’t think Paul has any interest in that role and has likely been brought up on the same weird gender roles they expect of Cleo and Jers.


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[Ashley18032]

This forum is so cumbersome to use as far as quoting someone. I’ll just add my random thoughts. I was looking back at old vids and saw Nef from only a year ago. Her teeth were fine so they rotted out in just a year. I said this before that somewhere I read TT, PT, TP said she had a cold when she was 6 months pregnant and that’s why her teeth rotted. If that’s the case, every kid in the world would have rotted teeth.

Called that right about KJ. Said we wouldn’t see him in his Bud Lightyear outfit for his birthday. We all know he didn’t really get that outfit, it was all for show,

Anyone notice how Romeo’s voice is changing? Getting deeper.

At least now that they are “settled” they look like they are eating much better. Maybe something like the thinning hair will get better. I don’t know much about vegan/plant based diets so I may be wrong. I would think that if it’s balanced with what they should have, there wouldn’t be a need for this mass quantities of vitamins she was pumping into everyone when they were in the road.

Aph’s legs? I was terribly bow legged as a child. It was nothing to be concerned about so maybe hers will straighten in time. I have hyperextended legs and arms so that may have had something to do with my bow leggedness.

Ever get checked for Ehlers Danlos Syndrome? It’s a connective tissue disorder that causes joint hypermobility and a host of other issues. It’s rare but may explain what you’ve experienced. Might be worth a google since it doesn’t end with just having hypermobile joints it causes other issues such as, but not limited to, every piece of connective tissue in the human body. Geneticists and rheumatologists Diagnose it most often. Also, you said yourself you weren’t vegan or living on the road eating tinned mushrooms with mayonnaise so I doubt your bowed legs had anything to do with Aph’s. Slightly comparing apples and oranges, since Pinocchio loved fruit so much I figured it would be a delightful example.

[meee meee]

Wow and she had mention again, in her new years eve part 2, that she takes care of the children off camera. Honestly taina, it really doesn't look like you do, the children seem to have a stronger bond with their buddy than with their mother. Also why does she always have to mention such things in a passive aggressive way. She should really get over herself, she puts her live on youtube, people are going to ask questions, no need to answer them passive aggressively, especially since they are genuine questions and we're, for the majority, not trying to troll.

Also who the heck eats plain potatoes with pesto? They are vegan or plant based or whatever and that is completely fine in my book. But honestly they eat such weird stuff and they always eat the same things, no variety what so ever. It's always beans, chiapudding, dried fruit,...
Whenever they show their food, 90% of the time, it looks super unappetizing to me. There are a tone of vegan cook books that can teach you to cook with more variety and more spices. They always make the same few weird looking recipes and it looks bland, like they don't use many spices. A vegan diet could be so much broader, cook a curry or something, India is known for its super tasty vegan recipes.

LOLOL Yes Taina really seems irked by our disbelief that she cares for her littles. Why then in her 2nd morn routine (or was it evening-maybe both) the older ones took care of their buddy. And when they were in the old house the littles sneaked out of bed at 3 am and she told nef to go get jes and Cleo out of bed since they (the littles) had gotten out of bed. And oh my--they are so comfy with their designated buddies. The littles adore their buddies (and vica versa) and they are the ones who the littles gravitate to always. Sorry TT- you did it yourself. Please don't hate me cause I love some of this food. I still love me a burger or steak and good grilled chicken but I do enjoy some of the things they eat. I often make potatoes with pesto and I like the vegetarian sausages (the kind they eat not the soy kind). And I sooo wish they would say how they make bean pie and Dad's beans that look like chili and his veg burgers. Please don't judge me or hate me cause as I said I LOVES me a juicy steak and you cannot beat a bacon burger when you are really hungry. AND oh my word!!! Do they have to scream yessss and whoa all the time? I guess so ---TT must push that. And TT- now we know you read this so know we are all watching you.lolololololololol We get it TT- Omega is brilliant the smartest cutest baby ever born. At least you did say no when you were all outside and he asked a couple of times for milk. Good job Mom. And kudos to you for finding a place with all those "upgrades"!!!! And I did enjoy the kids dancing. They seemed to behaving such fun but for the life of me I cant't see why she feels Aph is a better breaker than the other littles. The nap scene was just too sweet though I noticed that KJ and Aph were cuddling and Nef and Omega were cuddling. Interesting. Taina!!!!! Stop it! First you torture Neph with chicken butt hair and now you are calling OM a potato head. Hey --you made him a "potato head".

What? No! Why would I hate you? The reason I like this forum so much is because everyone can speak their mind, unlike the censored dictatorship that TT's comment section used to be. I'm glad when people tell me that, for example potatoes with pesto is something that's commonly eaten, because I thought it's some weird concoction the Licciardos came up with. I generally don't care if people are vegan or what they eat, I'm vegetarian myself and have been for the last eleven years. I just find it weird that they seem to always make the same things, beans, chips, dried fruit, mung beans,... I don't know maybe I'm the weird one that doesn't understand, because I am very much a gourmet, I cook Mexican food, Indian food, korean, austrian, American,...everything in a vegetarian version. That's why I don't understand that they seem to be so limited in what they cook. Maybe it's just a weird thing that I do and other people have ten to twenty recipes that they repeat, I don't know.
For the record I will never, ever hate anyone that respectfully disagrees with my opinions. We all make mistakes or have blind spots and I'm grateful when people try to further educate me.

[draconessa]

The thing is - do they do the break dancing because they actually love it, or is it something that TT enjoys them to do and they are trying to please her? I just wonder. Those kids od not appear to have any interests of their own - only following paths TT drew for them. They all have to play instruments ( no matter whether they have any talents for that or not), they all break dance, they all theoretically learn languages ( even though some of them can hardly speak properly one). Is there anything genuinely individual about any of them? They all seem to be parts of one organism, no place for them to be any different.

[meee meee]

The thing is - do they do the break dancing because they actually love it, or is it something that TT enjoys them to do and they are trying to please her? I just wonder. Those kids od not appear to have any interests of their own - only following paths TT drew for them. They all have to play instruments ( no matter whether they have any talents for that or not), they all break dance, they all theoretically learn languages ( even though some of them can hardly speak properly one). Is there anything genuinely individual about any of them? They all seem to be parts of one organism, no place for them to be any different.

It's not just you're impression, she even admitted that that's what they're doing. In one of her instagram stories she said that omega is loved and was loved before he was in the womb. She loved him so much that she planned what instruments he would play, what kinda dance he would do and so on. So yeah they basically plan everything ahead. Poor children, those kinda homes spell future disaster, it's breeding ground for all sorts of problems.

I personally think some of the older children may suffer from good child syndrome, they never got to experience what they like and dislike. Everything got decided for them, how are they ever gonna be able to live independently.

[meee meee]

The thing is - do they do the break dancing because they actually love it, or is it something that TT enjoys them to do and they are trying to please her? I just wonder. Those kids od not appear to have any interests of their own - only following paths TT drew for them. They all have to play instruments ( no matter whether they have any talents for that or not), they all break dance, they all theoretically learn languages ( even though some of them can hardly speak properly one). Is there anything genuinely individual about any of them? They all seem to be parts of one organism, no place for them to be any different.

It's not just you're impression, she even admitted that that's what they're doing. In one of her instagram stories she said that omega is loved and was loved before he was in the womb. She loved him so much that she planned what instruments he would play, what kinda dance he would do and so on. So yeah they basically plan everything ahead. Poor children, those kinda homes spell future disaster, it's breeding ground for all sorts of problems.

I personally think some of the older children may suffer from good child syndrome, they never got to experience what they like and dislike. Everything got decided for them, how are they ever gonna be able to live independently.

Took me some time but I found out haha. So yeah here she admits that she planned everything ahead for omega, so chances are she did the same thing for all the other children.

[LisaEvans2]

I have a serious question for the group! What are your thoughts on how this weird always perform, always expose your most private moments with total strangers; always strip away any privacy or normalcy and just follow a creepy weird facade/ruse/ideal that comes to Taina’s sick mind? Do you think they will ever have a chance to be idk... Too tired or too sick to perform today... These kid’s aren’t being kept up with government standards for child actors or anything... They’re used and abused for entertainment from the time Taina creepily wakes them up for us to see to the time they pass out even if that’s on the wet, cold, grass in some weird place. It’s such a bizarre construct to me that it is legal to treat your kid’s like show ponies and they have NO rights to breaks! NO rights to privacy! NO real rights at all to their real extortion that is going on for Taina’s self gain, both monetarily and her deathly need for admiration from total strangers. Do you think in our lifetime they will make laws or rules regarding this type of gross violation of privacy of children too young to decide if that’s what they would like for themselves? Should it be legal to potentially damage their ability to obtain jobs or normal adulthood in the future. Their names alone make me think I would throw their resume away because they sound fake... Alias-like. They have their every move exploited. Makes me really question if I should continue watching enabling this. So sad to me! (Then again they are taught how to grift and use the guise of religion or government assistance to never have to actually work! Sick!)


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I was thinking that too. The older ones should be able to say no. Leave me alone. But if this is their only source of income, TT may use that to make them take part. She really should take time out and rethink their life. It must be exhausting to go around with a camera all the time. And the kids all look bored really.
I am guessing she doesn't have many skills for employment and unless the older ones stay and home and look after the kids she can't go out to work. Cleo is probably unemployable and Jers too. She claims they are qualified as hairdressers or whatever, but I wouldn't let cleo near dolls hair let alone human. God knows how they will fare out in Australia. As for subs, they go up by 1k practically daily. She keeps buying them.
I have seen other vloggers who have the intelligence to make a good job of what they do. She doesn't have those skills to make in vlogs.

I fully agree.

[draconessa]

Well, I loved my son , when he was in my womb, but I was not choosing his hobbies for him. Of course, everyone has some sort of ideas/ dreams/ hopes how they want to bring up their child, who their child they woudl want to be in the future. But any sensible parent allows their kids to choose their own path - even, if it collides with what they imagined in the past.

[Etoile24]

They should be able to get unemployment benefits in australia (the ones over 18 that is) but they will probably have to serve a waiting period to get it. They will also have to apply for jobs if they are getting unemployment benefits. TT will get a large amount of $$ in family benefits for all the smaller children if they are Australian citizens. Not sure how it works for the children that were born in Finland.
Paul may get disability support if he is visually impaired.

[Emily81]

They should be able to get unemployment benefits in australia (the ones over 18 that is) but they will probably have to serve a waiting period to get it. They will also have to apply for jobs if they are getting unemployment benefits. TT will get a large amount of $$ in family benefits for all the smaller children if they are Australian citizens. Not sure how it works for the children that were born in Finland.
Paul may get disability support if he is visually impaired.

I don't think they have Finnish citizenship because, based on the legal principle of jus sanguinis, children at birth may automatically be citizens of a particular state if either or both of their parents have citizenship of that state.
I'm not 100% sure but I thinks both parents are Australians.

Maybe the parents acquired citizenship...?

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[Lookpinochio]

They should be able to get unemployment benefits in australia (the ones over 18 that is) but they will probably have to serve a waiting period to get it. They will also have to apply for jobs if they are getting unemployment benefits. TT will get a large amount of $$ in family benefits for all the smaller children if they are Australian citizens. Not sure how it works for the children that were born in Finland.
Paul may get disability support if he is visually impaired.

I don't think they have Finnish citizenship because, based on the legal principle of jus sanguinis, children at birth may automatically be citizens of a particular state if either or both of their parents have citizenship of that state.
I'm not 100% sure but I thinks both parents are Australians.

Maybe the parents acquired citizenship...?

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Taina is Finnish, I have understood that she was born in Finland, but as a child she moved to Australia.
So children have the right to Finnish nationality

[Ashley18032]

Paul is English actually because his Prophetess adopted him TO Australia making him a dual citizen. Taina was born in Finland and moved to Australia. But you know all the stuff we say is speculation really... I heard all this from random forums.


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[retiredrn70]

Wow and she had mention again, in her new years eve part 2, that she takes care of the children off camera. Honestly taina, it really doesn't look like you do, the children seem to have a stronger bond with their buddy than with their mother. Also why does she always have to mention such things in a passive aggressive way. She should really get over herself, she puts her live on youtube, people are going to ask questions, no need to answer them passive aggressively, especially since they are genuine questions and we're, for the majority, not trying to troll.

Also who the heck eats plain potatoes with pesto? They are vegan or plant based or whatever and that is completely fine in my book. But honestly they eat such weird stuff and they always eat the same things, no variety what so ever. It's always beans, chiapudding, dried fruit,...
Whenever they show their food, 90% of the time, it looks super unappetizing to me. There are a tone of vegan cook books that can teach you to cook with more variety and more spices. They always make the same few weird looking recipes and it looks bland, like they don't use many spices. A vegan diet could be so much broader, cook a curry or something, India is known for its super tasty vegan recipes.

LOLOL Yes Taina really seems irked by our disbelief that she cares for her littles. Why then in her 2nd morn routine (or was it evening-maybe both) the older ones took care of their buddy. And when they were in the old house the littles sneaked out of bed at 3 am and she told nef to go get jes and Cleo out of bed since they (the littles) had gotten out of bed. And oh my--they are so comfy with their designated buddies. The littles adore their buddies (and vica versa) and they are the ones who the littles gravitate to always. Sorry TT- you did it yourself. Please don't hate me cause I love some of this food. I still love me a burger or steak and good grilled chicken but I do enjoy some of the things they eat. I often make potatoes with pesto and I like the vegetarian sausages (the kind they eat not the soy kind). And I sooo wish they would say how they make bean pie and Dad's beans that look like chili and his veg burgers. Please don't judge me or hate me cause as I said I LOVES me a juicy steak and you cannot beat a bacon burger when you are really hungry. AND oh my word!!! Do they have to scream yessss and whoa all the time? I guess so ---TT must push that. And TT- now we know you read this so know we are all watching you.lolololololololol We get it TT- Omega is brilliant the smartest cutest baby ever born. At least you did say no when you were all outside and he asked a couple of times for milk. Good job Mom. And kudos to you for finding a place with all those "upgrades"!!!! And I did enjoy the kids dancing. They seemed to behaving such fun but for the life of me I cant't see why she feels Aph is a better breaker than the other littles. The nap scene was just too sweet though I noticed that KJ and Aph were cuddling and Nef and Omega were cuddling. Interesting. Taina!!!!! Stop it! First you torture Neph with chicken butt hair and now you are calling OM a potato head. Hey --you made him a "potato head".

What? No! Why would I hate you? The reason I like this forum so much is because everyone can speak their mind, unlike the censored dictatorship that TT's comment section used to be. I'm glad when people tell me that, for example potatoes with pesto is something that's commonly eaten, because I thought it's some weird concoction the Licciardos came up with. I generally don't care if people are vegan or what they eat, I'm vegetarian myself and have been for the last eleven years. I just find it weird that they seem to always make the same things, beans, chips, dried fruit, mung beans,... I don't know maybe I'm the weird one that doesn't understand, because I am very much a gourmet, I cook Mexican food, Indian food, korean, austrian, American,...everything in a vegetarian version. That's why I don't understand that they seem to be so limited in what they cook. Maybe it's just a weird thing that I do and other people have ten to twenty recipes that they repeat, I don't know.
For the record I will never, ever hate anyone that respectfully disagrees with my opinions. We all make mistakes or have blind spots and I'm grateful when people try to further educate me.

What? No! Why would I hate you? Oh dear. I was joking. Remember the commercial for makeup or something where the model said "Don't hate me cause I am beautiful" ? I was playing on that. I know a lot of folks on here completely disdain their diet and I was just being silly. I know one thing--I would for sure like to spend a week eating your cooking. Like you- I would never hate anyone who disagrees with me either. It is all good!!!!

[meee meee]

Well, I loved my son , when he was in my womb, but I was not choosing his hobbies for him. Of course, everyone has some sort of ideas/ dreams/ hopes how they want to bring up their child, who their child they woudl want to be in the future. But any sensible parent allows their kids to choose their own path - even, if it collides with what they imagined in the past.

Of course it's only natural to plan things ahead. I would definitely be thinking about my finances, like I wanna be able to afford possible hobbies and education for my child. I would want her or him to not be indoctrinated by any religion, not at home and not at school. I would try to encourage my child to be a critical thinker and try to equip her/him with the skills she/he needs to master lives challenges and find happiness.

I would rather my child be an atheist than a theist, but I wouldn't mind if they turned out a believer, if it's truly what they wanted. I would rather they pursue a good education and have a stable income, but if it turned out differently I would accept it, as long as they work hard and enjoy what they do.

I don't think your child is your property, when they're young I will guide them and when they're older I'll offer them my guidance, but it's up to them what they want and what makes them happy.

PT plans way to much ahead. How the heck would she know, which or if a child wants to play an instrument when they're just a baby, or what hobbies they want to pursue. Maybe those children are really resilient enough to not be to terribly affected by what PT it's doing to them. But with 10 children chances are that not all of them are gonna make it. It's already noticeable in cleo, she drifts through live with no job, no income, probably no plans of moving out, completely dependent on her mother and her mother's praise and approval.

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LOLOL Yes Taina really seems irked by our disbelief that she cares for her littles. Why then in her 2nd morn routine (or was it evening-maybe both) the older ones took care of their buddy. And when they were in the old house the littles sneaked out of bed at 3 am and she told nef to go get jes and Cleo out of bed since they (the littles) had gotten out of bed. And oh my--they are so comfy with their designated buddies. The littles adore their buddies (and vica versa) and they are the ones who the littles gravitate to always. Sorry TT- you did it yourself. Please don't hate me cause I love some of this food. I still love me a burger or steak and good grilled chicken but I do enjoy some of the things they eat. I often make potatoes with pesto and I like the vegetarian sausages (the kind they eat not the soy kind). And I sooo wish they would say how they make bean pie and Dad's beans that look like chili and his veg burgers. Please don't judge me or hate me cause as I said I LOVES me a juicy steak and you cannot beat a bacon burger when you are really hungry. AND oh my word!!! Do they have to scream yessss and whoa all the time? I guess so ---TT must push that. And TT- now we know you read this so know we are all watching you.lolololololololol We get it TT- Omega is brilliant the smartest cutest baby ever born. At least you did say no when you were all outside and he asked a couple of times for milk. Good job Mom. And kudos to you for finding a place with all those "upgrades"!!!! And I did enjoy the kids dancing. They seemed to behaving such fun but for the life of me I cant't see why she feels Aph is a better breaker than the other littles. The nap scene was just too sweet though I noticed that KJ and Aph were cuddling and Nef and Omega were cuddling. Interesting. Taina!!!!! Stop it! First you torture Neph with chicken butt hair and now you are calling OM a potato head. Hey --you made him a "potato head".

What? No! Why would I hate you? The reason I like this forum so much is because everyone can speak their mind, unlike the censored dictatorship that TT's comment section used to be. I'm glad when people tell me that, for example potatoes with pesto is something that's commonly eaten, because I thought it's some weird concoction the Licciardos came up with. I generally don't care if people are vegan or what they eat, I'm vegetarian myself and have been for the last eleven years. I just find it weird that they seem to always make the same things, beans, chips, dried fruit, mung beans,... I don't know maybe I'm the weird one that doesn't understand, because I am very much a gourmet, I cook Mexican food, Indian food, korean, austrian, American,...everything in a vegetarian version. That's why I don't understand that they seem to be so limited in what they cook. Maybe it's just a weird thing that I do and other people have ten to twenty recipes that they repeat, I don't know.
For the record I will never, ever hate anyone that respectfully disagrees with my opinions. We all make mistakes or have blind spots and I'm grateful when people try to further educate me.

What? No! Why would I hate you? Oh dear. I was joking. Remember the commercial for makeup or something where the model said "Don't hate me cause I am beautiful" ? I was playing on that. I know a lot of folks on here completely disdain their diet and I was just being silly. I know one thing--I would for sure like to spend a week eating your cooking. Like you- I would never hate anyone who disagrees with me either. It is all good!!!!

Haha omg what a misunderstanding XD. English is not my native language, sometimes if a joke is really subtle or from a different culture I don't realise it's a joke.